Americans are Incapable of Discussing Immigration With Nuance and Logic
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- čas přidán 27. 04. 2024
- The question of immigration into the United States is dominated by the loudest and most simple-minded voices, when the topic requires a great deal of nuance. Immigrants are as varied as any other large group of people, including the distinction between lawbreakers vs. law-abiders. But most Americans cannot discuss to topic with the complexity and nuance required.
Here is some high-level framing of how a useful discussion often gets drowned out.
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Agree. American society is incapable of discussing immigration logically and rationally. This topic, along with others like inflation, seems to me to be dominated, deliberately confused and emotionally charged by the media and politicians. Even in the few comments submitted so far, I detect overly general talking points I’ve heard in the news and on X.
I know many highly skilled professionals who follow the legal process of immigration. Western economy’s could not function without them.
The legal (visa, green card, citizenship process) adds additional burdens of time, decision energy and resources of that population. It hampers their integration into society (political, legal, association) and is unnecessary.
But as alluded to in your video and a couple of comments, that population understands the issues much better than everyone else. If we are ever to have a rational and logical discussion about immigration, it will probably be driven by first and second generation immigrants who can better resist the media’s and politicians’, politically and emotionally charged influence.
Yes. Anyone who followed the arduous, lengthy, expensive legal process, or the spouse or children of such a person, should be angry. So should any Americans who value those who followed the rules.
Alas, as you point out, even here, some comments prove the point of this video; it is like they did not watch it. Like with inflation, the statements made by many people on immigration are oversimplified, anecdotal, illogical, and memorized.
6:12 I'm from Bangladesh. My elder sister is a naturalized US citizen. My sister applied for my mother, and it took 3 years to get an immigrant visa just last month, but those backpackers entering the US without any problem or delay is just beyond my mind.
Yes. Everyone who followed the rules should be angry about that. As should any American who wants immigrants who follow the rules.
Love this style of video Kartik. The infographics + your hand gestures etc are the perfect combo!
In my humble opinion, how skilled or educated an immigrant is doesn't really matter that much. Rather, I feel that while America needs more legal immigrants, she specifically needs more *Americans* , and not just more *transplants* .
Namely, the regulatory hurdles faced by people who seek to come here "by the book" ought to be greatly reduced provided that said individuals learn to speak English at least conversationally, celebrate Christian holidays when in public, and venerate the Constitution and the timeless ideals of the Founding Fathers.
I agree 100% that "handouts" and the welfare state are totally out of control and need desperately get reined in. And I also agree 100% that illegal aliens must be deported and made to follow immigration protocol-albeit a much more streamlined one than what prospective Americans *currently* face.
Be that as it may, the Irish immigrants escaping the potato famine, the Eastern Europeans escaping serfdom, and the Chinese who built our transcontinental railroads were largely illiterate and unskilled. Yet they vastly contributed to our exponential rise in global power! As the saying went, "the first generation lives downtown, the second generation lives uptown, and the 3rd generation lives in the suburbs."
In the words of Emerson, "the reliance on property-including the reliance on government to protect it, is the want of self-reliance, and an infirmity of will." Government social programs are unAmerican and must be curtailed.
Regardless of whether he can design interplanetary spacecraft-or simply dig ditches-somebody relocating here had better be prepared to sacrifice for his woman and his woman's children.
YES! This. On the nose
Unfortunately, assimilation is now actively discouraged.
From the point of view of the Native Americans, immigration was more destructive than all natural disasters combined. With the rise of technology, no longer is the physical movement of people necessary to fill many knowledge jobs. A nearly unspoken ill to global immigration is the depletion of young people from migrant nations. Leaving massive gaps in productive ability for those nations.
i) Native Americans at the time died from diseases brought over, yes. But Native Americans today have far higher life expectancy and living standards than their ancestors had before contact. In the US of today, they get a lot of benefits, to the extent that Elizabeth Warren lied about her ancestry to access these benefits. Technically, I am the 'Indian', as Native Americans were mis-named after Columbus thought he had reached South/Southeast Asia.
ii) Consider that a brilliant researcher who could do great things in a US institution might go nowhere in his home country due to the absence of such an institution. A smart person often does their best work in a better environment. Why do we send the best students to the best universities to be with the best peers? The same applies to the immigration of highly-talented people who might discover/invent something that helps everyone.
@@KartikGadaATOM and we have a far higher life expectancy than did the conquistadors... at the time. Basically, a meaningless comparison. Tech and scientific advances would have flowed throughout the world, and to NA societies, without the horrors of mass immigration. The native peoples of the Americas suffered a 98.6% destruction compared to their pre-Columbian state. Not to mention the complete loss of all lands under their control. Mass immigration is a type of invasion, and should be avoided when at all possible. The Bronze Age collapse could have even been due to mass "immigration."
No one is talking about 'mass immigration'. What is advocated is exclusively legal and highly-skilled immigration, which by definition cannot be 'mass' or even very numerous.
Your comments exemplify the problems that the video mentions. Sweeping generalizations and no nuance about contemporary immigration.