Ladies' Compulsory Figures & Short Program - 1988 Calgary Winter Games, Figure Skating (US, ABC)
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- Calgary, Alberta, CANADA - 1988 Winter Olympic Games, Figure Skating, Review of Ladies' Compulsory Figures, then it's the Ladies' Short Program, where commentating by Dick Button, Peggy Fleming, Jim McKay and David Santee.
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Review of the Development of the Competitive Rivalry between Katarina Witt (GDR) and Debi Thomas (USA)
Ladies' Compulsory Figures (Figure No. 1 - Counter)
Ladies' Compulsory Figures (Figure No. 2 - Paragraph Bracket)
Discussion about Dropping Compulsory Figures from ISU Competitions
Ladies' Compulsory Figures (Figure No. 3 - Paragraph Loop)
Profile on the Relationship between Katarina Witt (GDR) and Her Coach Jutta Müller
Fluff Piece on Spinning
Ladies' Short Program:
Simone Koch (GDR) (14th, 8th, 9th)
Midori Ito 伊藤 みどり (JPN) (10th, 4th, 8th)
Anna Kondrashova Анна Кондрашова (URS) (9th, 7th, 7th)
Agnes Gosselin (FRA) (13th, 21st, 16th)
Up Close and Personal - Jill Trenary (USA)
Joanne Conway (GBR) (8th, 18th, )
Katarina Witt (GDR) (3rd, 1st, 2nd)
Kira Ivanova Кира Иванова (URS) (1st, 10th, 4th)
Debi Thomas (USA) (2nd, 2nd, 1st)
Caryn Kadavy (USA) (7th, 5th, 6th)
Claudia Leistner (FRG) (6th, 9th, 7th)
Elizabeth Manley (CAN) (4th, 3rd, 3rd)
Jill Trenary (USA) (5th, 6th, 5th)
Interview with the Parents of Caryn Kadavy, Debi Thomas, and Jill Trenary
Midori Ito’s double loop-triple loop combination was AMAZING.
Thank you so much for uploading these videos! I loved watching this in 1988, I was only 30 years old, but didn’t think to videotape the coverage. It is such a treat to watch 32 years later!
The ISU and other skating governance groups sold the skating soul when they cut the figures.
Thanks for posting this! Midori Ito's is by far the best program of the night (and sadly underscored). As a Canadian, I was so happy to see Elizabeth Manley's great performance. But an often overlooked one is Caryn Kadavy's. She is excellent....musical, expressive, elegant, and technically good, too. Sad that she got sick and couldn't skate the long program.
I would have had Kadavy 1st, Ito 2nd, Thomas 3rd, Manley 4th, and Witt 5th in the SP.
My Problem with Midori ITO is she had Nothing but Triple Jumps. Terrible FIGURES..No Line..No Interpretive ability..Not Graceful. Midori is a "Jumping Bean"..AND That's All Skating is Today.🥱
Interesting that she says that when a pianist performs a concert, he doesn't do the scales - indicates that she sees skating as entertainment for the masses. When you go to music competitions for grading as a student musician in front of judges, you perform scales and sight reading in addition to your performance piece. You also do scales and sight reading during auditions, at least in hobbyist audition ensembles.
Yes, but not for a concert, which is entertainment. (Also a pianist here) In this case, though this skating is for amateur competition, it is supported much by its entertainment value, not by the bare-bones skills (figures, or scales/arpeggios). Also, it's difficult to compare an amateur school-based competition with amateur sports, which in this case is not school-based. The figures were necessary to achieve the ultimate goal of blade edgework in the performance, just as the scales and arpeggios are necessary to skillfully play intricate piano or organ literature. Members of the public are about as interested in scales as they would be with a pianist first learning a piece, woodshedding all of the difficult passages slowly and carefully.
I think it was Katarina’s costume that the ISU enacted the costume rule where costumes can not be theatrical in nature, such as use of feathers.
Close. It was that the feathers did not provide sufficient coverage as a skirt over her private parts.
Skating was the real deal back in the day now it’s just crossovers to music with fuller
Caryn seems like the sweetest, most delightful person!
Debbi’s loop figure was gorgeous
Wasn't it though? One of my favorite pars of the ladies competition..... I do wish they showed the shole thing though.
Midori was such a talent
So Midori Ito was the first to LBO-Counter an Axel!
Midori Ito!!! Love her
Figures should have never been eliminated
For skaters who had limited funds, it was one more burden besides ice time, another pair of skates, a scribe, etc. for something that held partial enthusiasm. What a relief to not have to worry about so much.
It is SO refreshing to see this video and these beautiful women skating properly and perfectly. I hate the skaters of today; no one captures the sport that is truly is. I live for these videos.
Thank you for posting this!
Auntie Sklar is AMAZING!!!!
I would pay good money to see modern famous figure skaters attempt to do school figures.
I wouldn't. No interest in Today's Skating AND I'M A LIFELONG Skating fan. It Bores me Now.
they wouldnt be able to do them well, thats for sure. it takes hours and hours.......its all about the quads now. so sad
伊藤みどりさんと同い年の人間ですが、素晴らしい動画で当時を思いだしました。ありがとうございます。
評価の基準や選手に求められた要素が異なる現在、過去の演技について「誰が勝つべきだった」なんて言えないけれど、現在の視点から見て、最もモダンに見えるのは伊藤みどりだと感じる。それに匹敵するのはカダヴィかトレナリー(その次がマンリーやトーマス あくまでも個人的印象)。
技術的難易度は別にして、モダンな演技は見ていて間延びしているように感じない。SPが本当に短く感じるんだよ。
そして最も古臭く感じてしまうのはヴィットの演技。綺麗だが全体的に冗長だ。
しかし「ヴィットはダメだ」とは思わない。彼女が当時のルールや評価基準の中で、勝つためのベストの構成を考えた結果があの演技だったわけで、「当時のルールや評価基準に最も忠実な選手が勝つ」のがスポーツでは当たり前だからね。それゆえに彼女に対する当時の評価を否定することは絶対に出来ない。ただ「今見れば古臭く野暮ったい」。それだけフィギュアスケートという競技の評価基準や求められる構成が大きく変わってしまったということだね。
Funny how Manley and Witt finished so high in figures...
wow do you have the full 1988 ladies short program???
Back when skating was actually skating. Not gymnastics on ice.
Yeah right let us go back to a time when you could win olympic gold with only triple toe and salchow. Truth is every era is interesting. Bliss is not in the past.
Very much so, because of the compulsory figures - what the sport's roots is all about, making up a significant part of the final score total and making or changing the final outcome.
@@xavierpierredeau2840Skating is now a Gymnast Competiton for adolescents.
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I don’t think Alex helped Debi’s cause by holding his nose at the marks.
Debi was set-up. The Judges placed KATARINA'S middling Figures too high--Deliberately. Then the Judges let Katarina WIN the SHORT PROGRAM with the EASIEST Triple Jump Combination of All the Top Ladies. The JUDGES wanted WITT to Win. They made it Easy for her.💯
“we wonder what direction figure skating will go without figures.” well, now we have 4 1/2 rotation jumps, young russian girls being destroyed, and artistry being overlooked completely.
Today and since the 2000s you now have crammed, overtaxing uncomfortable programs that seem like they don't have a focus, no point and no sense of where they're going, and on top of everything resulting from removing figures: a damaging and anarchist scoring system.
Can we please bring back compulsory figures? That would weed out the teenage Russian jumping automatons.
Not just bringing back compulsory figures, but bringing back the 6.0 system or at least implementing something like 6.0 with the "new" or current code of points system. What figure skating has now is a disgrace with no control.
Oh Claudia, what is you doin baby. Who is pickin out yo music from the Hooked on Classics audio cassette library?
Music vocal versus non-vocal? There is a score difference AND performance /GOE score!!!
I wish Kondrashova had showed the kind of graceful choreography here that she had in 1984. Her expressive dance moves were quite wonderful but I don't see that here. She could have used music that was more balletic and lyrical and maybe would have fared better here!
Given nowaday's technology, the track can be shown while the skater is skating the figure.
I could watch Liz Manley all day!
Did Kati ever realise her dream of becoming an Actress lol?
Well, she "acted" like her Figures were good.
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Katarina Witt seems terrifying
Why?
Witt seems gawky and clownish, like she is too tall to be a skater and would be a better volley ball or basketball player…or a joker
What a shame she did not have you to advise her. She may have had some success as an athlete.
@@carneliannred you are right. Thanks.
I agree. If you took away her looks and charisma, we would have criticized her stiffness, mechanical "interpretation" of the music, horrible positions and choppy edges. We would have still enjoyed her jumps. And Midori would have won more titles if she had looked like Katarina
WITT is Five Feet/Five Inches height. Not tall at all. Debi Thomas..is Five Feet/Six inches.