Governor Vs No-Governor Shootout On 2 Identical Mini Bikes! | Is It Worth It!
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- In this video we bring back our Craigslist mini bikes for an epic comparison to truly answer the question of if you should remove the governor in your mini bike or not. To begin the video we did a preliminary drag race as well as a top speed run with both of the completely stock bikes, then after that we took them back to the garage in order to show you how to remove the governor as well as look for some ways to get some free power out of the harbor freight engine. After removing the governor, we put it back of the bike and re-did the tests, this time with it side by side the other orange bike so the true speed difference throughout the power band could be seen.
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To everyone planning on governor removal, would highly advise getting a billet flywheel. Those stock flywheels do explode when ungoverned
I've heard this is only an issue if you change the valve springs to stiffer springs, as at about 4800rpm or so the valves float and restrict really moving higher. I've heard this more than a few times on CZcams and forums however i have not removed mine yet to really see. I've got a predator 79cc and a Tecumseh h35 and will admit the flywheel on the h35 is alot more solid looking. may try with that.
And a new rod get a billet rod too
think itd have the power to screw the flywheel over ? jus a thought i had
Been running mine for a year stock with governor bypassed, my clutch is burnt, my tires are bald, and my chain tensioner chewed itself in half. engine is perfectly fine
@@anonymousproductions1792
Billet alumunium rod??
why not forged steel rod then, more robust and had High Fatigue range, not like alu does, easily fatigue cause it's was alu, even rod had silicon on it.
So cool to see young guys doin what all my friends and I used to do in the 70s !
Remove the governor. Put the 22 mukuni carb on it!!!! Tune pipe!!!! And go one chain system!!!! Hit 62 mph with a predator!!!!
CM .265" cam, 1.3 rockers on NON hemi engine= .345" lift at valve with 26# springs. that is the most lift some believe that does any good without RADICAL head work (welding/machining of head). port/smooth intake/exhaust, remove "step" from bowl to tract. dimple intake port like golf ball to keep flow turbulent to mix air/fuel going into motor. Billet rod as all is for naught if rod breaks and ruins motor. $65 for std, .020" or .040" longer BILLET ROD. extra jets for carb... to get light tan plug, not black plug from too much gas not enough fuel= backfire thru exhaust as unburned gas out exhaust pipe gets air and explodes, annoying. E 85... with A LOT BIGGER JETS as alchol doesn't have the BTU's of gas, methanol. that is hard on rubber parts and not recommended per sticker on the motor... NO E 85. a little 2 smoke oil in the gas to lubricate things better? 1:100 ratio?
What mini bike is that?
if going to open up the sidecover to do the gov removal... might as well have the $45 CM .265" lift cam ready to put in there, 26# springs ($8/pair), cut 3/8" off oil dipper on rod cap so it doesn't hit the bottom of the motor when u are SCREAMING the motor and break off the rod cap/ruins the motor. $65 for Billet rod isn't too bad though, have to have 12 Point 10 mm socket and HF $10 torque wrench (with coupon) oil on the threads and under the bolt head so don't get false torque readings when torqing the bolts/nuts to recommended torque. 17 ft /lbs is the torque for the side cover bolts and the head bolts... unless use head studs then 23 Ft/lbs of torque in a criss cross pattern. .009 head gasket, PORT the head STAY AWAY FROM VALVE SEATS!!!!!!!!! they are HARD... but not that hard. the ticket, some think, is the NON hemi head on the HEMI block and its flat top piston for better compression. the NON hemi head flows well enough, but ppl hear HEMI and think... WOOOOOO HOOOOO 1000 more HP!!!!! EVERYONE KNOWS THAT... but the WEDGE head is not a bad head on the NON hemi engine. on those mini bikes... they cum with 196cc engine... the STANDARD is the PREDATOR 212cc engine and that is what HOT ROD PARTS are available for to the MAX. the 196cc???? I don't know... I don't think it takes HEMI parts???? might take NON hemi parts... run it til it blows up and then get PREDATOR 212 @ HF with coupon for $107 OTD (out the door). break in for 3 hours on home made test stand out of 4- 2' long 1x1" legs and a 1' square table top out of plywood... with a shelf under it for tools/oil/parts/etc. change oil after 30 mins. several 5 minute easy runs to heat/cool cycles.... then gradually WIND IT UP... I could wait that long... before my fat finger was under the gas tank overriding the governor and the E bay tach was reading.... 5800.... 6000RPM's. but reading on karting.4cycle.com PREDATORS... ppl say that valves bounce off the seat at 5400 rpm and that is as fast as it will go with stock springs. they make 12.8# HD springs for a little more UMPH... or 12.8# (on the seat) springs 12.8i (improved) for stock karting applications that may or may not pass tech inspection. 22# springs for 6500 but max lift is .... .315" at valve? 26# springs max lift is ~ .415" @ valve but HARD to get the keepers in without that 3rd hand and arm to push down spring and get the keepers ON THE VALVE stem and not have the spring SHOOT the keepers... in your eye... across the room... never to be seen again... unless in ur eye. safety glasses are cheap, glass eyes and seeing eye dogs are generally cumbersome and don't work as well as ... normal eyes.
@@hezekiahjohnston8360 chill
hezekiah johnston you have too much time on your hands lol
Lol you say 2011 is old I'm still running a four wheelers on a 1986 thoes things are immortal
Eli Snell see he’s truck
I got 3 1978 Yamaha three wheelers. They have never let me down and they’re a lot of fun
@@marcodegiovanni9573 the old 225cc ones or am I thinking of those black Kawasaki ones??
Bill Allen yea. All three are 225s
I've got an '89 warrior 350 and I love it
Back in my day, we didn't wear helmets, we just go irreversible brain damage.
>in your profile pic and videos you're wearing a helmet
skin grafts are cool too.
Chad Kunka nah a helmet saved my life 2x
Drain Bramage!
Only if your a bad driver
the comet torq-a-verter was the best mod i ever did to mine. you have variable gear ratios- which will make you faster (top speed) and quicker (acceleration). plus it keeps the engine under 3600rpm, and if you do any longer rides you can cruise in overdrive which is a lot more comfortable than screaming along at 4500rpm.
Is it worth it? Yes
Coincidence? No
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Comment? Stolen
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@Chad Kunka fr lmao
This dude would be the best ventriloquist ever!😎
These Mini Bikes are awesome on and off road! I just Love my TrailMaster Hurricane! stage 2 coming next weekend🥳
Crack of thunder exactly when you took the oil bolt out , great video guys to 🇬🇧 ✊🏼
Lol i died when he hit the jump after he started up his engine
Me too!!! He was whiskey throttle all the way lol
Lmfao his mind went blink
Same
Legend
@@josepena2024 ¹
I love the side by side comparison! Keep that one original to use it to compare after further mods!
@@everettstormy how would it granade?
Thanks, guys nice comparison video.
Great comparison! Thanks
thanks i learned lots good job young men
That was a sick ass intro keep up with the good work.
I went through a time where I was trying to figure out the same questions. How to have a carburetor to run under boost and a carburetor to run under atmospheric pressure. The whole solution of putting a carburetor in a can full of pressure works great but how to run without it. I finally came to the conclusion that it was much more complex than just figuring out how to run it with fuel injection. That was all on a old 1970 BMW motorcycle that I had a 1981 L engine in that was pretty trick. It put out about 100 horsepower unboosted but of course...
man, my trailmaster went 40 stock.
that torque converter on the newer models really makes a difference.
how fast it go now?
I must be favored by the small engine gods! I bent the throttle tab down, did the governor zip tie mod and put in a straight exhaust pipe. I get average 32 mph. And I'm short and fat af weighing about 225 lbs.
I didn’t even have to watch the whole video. That intro was a good enough selling point lol
Same
Great video guys! Interesting!
You guys geniuses!
Dude almost biffed that first ride 😂
Keep grinding man!
Awesome video!
Gave that like kuzz you still hustling during midterms hope y’all doing well!
Good idea to take the time to compare and post.
That pick up is awesome!!
You young guys are so talented and have bright future at whatever you choose. From the old Marine " Put on a brain bucket" . And that is an ORDER!!!
Great work!!!
REAL MEN DONT WEAR HELMETS!!!!!!!! til they are in nursing home with traumatic brain injury and don't know anything... then the nurses put a helmet on them so they wont hurt..... what little there is left of their brain after the head hits the pavement at 30mph++++
All you have to do is remove the rod from the carburetor to the governor rod..but be aware this engine is built to run at 3400 rpm max. So it may explode running without govenor.
If you come back to this please answer my question I got an old mini bike and I want to take the governor out of the engine would it still explode or is it just for the governor rod
@@sam66417 but what I was asking was when the engine it can get up to high RPMs which can cause parts to break and I could get things like valve flutter or the flywheel can break or just other parts can break because the engine can’t handle the speed and the RPM so I guess what I’m asking is there a way where I can do this for free without my engine falling apart and breaking
I wish I could post pics of my upgraded Hawg Ty, which is very similar mini bike. I enjoyed the upgrading process so much I hand build a drag bike mini bike with wheelie bars and Hoosier drag slick....thing will straight up fly down the strip
Thanks for the video you guys should definitely try to go power sports stage one my Coleman with the torque converter and stage one goes 46 mph all I did was zip tied the governor spring though again thanks guys have fun be careful
Dudes... more upgrades to come... this was simply an initial test to determine the difference between no governer vs governer. Found it interesting, looking forward to the next "small" step...
I couldn't believe it 😲 taking the engine out, and apart ?? I'm thinking wtf all they had to do was disconnect the linkage from the carburetor to the gov and that's it, now it's a major to put it back to original if you don't want it to blow up, as the rev limiter stops the oil flying out too far and away from the big end bearing.
@@simonallan9941 so,thicker oil??
The new MegaMoto 212 Pro series bike has hydraulic disk front and rear brakes ! They reportedly work well.
That is mind blowing ! This will increase the stopping power by 300 percent ! There is nothing ever that could
so dramatically affect safety. I would say it will reduce stopping distances to one third or less of the back wheel
only drum brake. SO the big question is: IS the Chinese source of the MegaMoto the same as the old MiniBaha
and if so there is a very good possibility that the front forks interchange in dimension and fit etc. This means a half million
of the Mini Baja bikes sold in the last 15 years could be converted to include at least include the added feature of
hydraulic front brakes added. I believe the current incarnation of the Mini Baja is called the TrailMaster but not absolutely
sure they have the same source. It just looks very much like they share parts.
That’s badass!
Thanks for the info 👍
I got a doodle bug with a gx390 this has convinced me to do this
I was expecting a cool shootout with a governor and a rebel but this works too
If you skip the cam gear up or back a tooth not sure, but it will make it a lot faster. Mark the 2 before you make the change. You will be surprised at the result.
Good vid. Its the same on any small motor that has it removed or bypassed
Awesome thanks
I’m a UGA boy but my Texas cuz is an Aggie so y’all good people. Good stuff. Just subbed
Them bikes are awesome!
Did you buy a new gasket? im guessing there is a 50/50 chance the gasket breaks when you take it apart, even when new. What is the best method you all use for that? gasket sealer?
Did you guys use the same connecting rod and valve springs?
Hey guys new subscriber glad I found your channel enjoyed it I want to get me another mini bike now that I'm 63 years old LOL
Go go go!!!!!
I'm 67 and I love mine. Hitting 40mph on any minibike feels like 60mph. The most fun you can have with your clothes on ☺️
10 mph increase? If I had an engine I would certainly remove that bihh.
XD don't kid yourself, its not fine, its what you make it, truth is do you want to baby a 100 dollar engine for no reason because you got it for a 100 bucks or buy the extra 300 to 500 extra dollars to make a real bamf engine to take what ever amount of donuts or make some fast laps at the track
@mike stradling Just stop.
@@doodlebug6833 ...most likely id buy an actual Honda or an Animal.
If im gutting a Predator 212cc engine for the sake of polishing a "turd", well, you get what you pay for.
Rip out the gear, reroute the throttle and let the valves float be your warning system.
Tell me one place to get non anecdotal evidence of grenaging flywheels. Ill wait.
damn, you gave the gasket a good run for its money!
Thanks dudes , been debating on removing the Governor on my kids mini , that helped a lot , peace and be safe my bro’s
I hope you have a billet rod and flywheel with heavier valve springs
Hook em horns fellas! Otherwise thanks for the cool uploads! 😏
That truck tho 😍
Used to have a straight pipe on my mini bike back in the day....good times.
I love your truck very cool truck.
I wanted mine to last a long time and don’t have the parts to replace what’s necessary to remove the governor atm so I just did a quick little zip tie on the governor spring and muffler and got 11mph increase but I’m a 120 pound female which I’m sure makes a difference lol
Nope im 170 and its the same for me here.
Edit I just realized this comment was 2 years ago…
man i had this same minibike i threw a gx160 on it and it was the fastest smoothest ride. sadly some scumfuck stole it last summer :(
What type of bike is it
That sucks who ever stole it must have been a real douche 😐
@@fullsendtv101 all theifs are douche.
I ride it everyday🤣
You guys removed the governor gear but did you leave the original governor arm and linkage?
Yes they did. 🤦🏻♂️
Leaving that linkege and arm in would be a good way to damage internal parts
they tied it back so it wouldnt move.
How would you have done it? Serious question. I Have a predator212 on a db30 that I'm considering removing the governor on.
Took the governor off my Coleman Ct100u. Keeps up with cars now!! 😁
I have a ct200u that does 60kmph with the governor off so how does a 100 keep up with cars?
@@benderksen9455 must be a slow car
Cardi B he probably isn’t testing his CT100 on the highway
Man, I removed the engine, now my Coleman goes over 100mph, with the brake on !
I took the governor out of my coleman ct200u and now it wants to take off on it own. Does anyone know how to fix it?
My brother-in-law got a new little bike for his very young son.With a adult 200# it would do maybe 5mph.First we PULLED the exhaust pipe off.we found a washer that limited air flow we removed it.That got it up to 9 10 mph.THEN we pulled the gas line it also had a brass insert reducing gas flow.We removed that also.JUST removing those to parts and it topped out at 15mph.
good job
it would be nice if you could do a comparison with every part you put in,in miles per hour,even a high-performance spark plug.
if you wanna haul ass on those things jb weld that slipper clutch solid, make a handlebar kill switch first tho, ain't entirely crazy..lol
That governor wasn't put there by some old man saying "Slow down!".
It was put there so that the engine wouldn't rev higher than it was designed to.
That extra 3 mph will greatly shorten the engines life.
That's not exactly a true statement. The governor is there as a means of automatic throttle control. It will react to changes in load at a fixed throttle position. Not allowing too high a rev is just a nice side note to their functionality.
These engines were not designed for mini bikes and go karts. They are utility engines that are used to power equipment that do not have top speed and high RPM in mind. 3600 RPM has been a standard for decades and the engines are designed around that RPM. With the governor fine tuning screw you can set the governor to react at a multiple range of RPM values at full throttle including RPM higher than 3600. The governor will even react to a change in load at any fixed throttle position. It's not there for full throttle only. With the Honda designed throttle arrangement on these engines the governor is responsible for closing the throttle to idle at the moment of startup after the choke is manually opened. Yes, the governor does function at idle.
The governors automatic operation is not very desirable in a variable throttle application like a mini bike or go karts where people want full control over their throttle. This full control allows higher RPM's than a governed engine would allow and is the reason people want to disable or remove them.
the governor Is there to meet epa grandfather standards. other bike like the yamaha tw 200 and the old Honda off road mopeds. they met minimum pollution standards in 1984. and because they've had no changes in motor design the do not have to comply with modern standards. and China does not give any fucks , and has been copying small Honda motors for 50 ÷ years
I want your truck! An love the mini bikes I'd do valve springs torque converter an cam header an carb an intake on them both an maybe change your gears just a lil bit
Nice TJ
good job on the bikes where could i find those handlebars and risers or extenders on them
So now I'm confused. I took a stock 212 and put it on my yerfdog 3202 and I can reach 33mph max on flat road. Where's the difference coming from? The yerf dog weighs more, I'm 200 lbs. Could it be the tourqe converter? 12-64
I took the governor out of my coleman ct200u and now it wants to take off on it own. How to fix this problem?
Man after watching that I should start making CZcams videos lol my Baja warrior has a 420cc a Polaris sportsman clutch and a Harley sportster tank.
you caught my attention with the polaris sportsman clutch..
can you tell me more? im assuming these are for 1 inch cranks yes?
a real clutch would make many projects/toys possible..and ty in advance.
Also tech tip for you builders,old >plastic dirt bike gas tanks< fit the baja warrior frames Quite Nicely and look good too.
got side cover off might as well put in a CM 265" cam, 1.3 rockers on NON hemi engine, 26# springs, longer BILLET ROD to see 6500RPMs+ header with scooter muffler, bigger jet in (390cc) carb (depending on elevation, check plug... black plug =too much gas/not enough air=wasted gas), light tan plug is what we are looking for. white plug is too lean/runs hot/burns up motor. port head with dremel grinder and 80 grit sanding drums to open up intake/exhaust port and ease valve bowl to intake tract "Step" so air flows free. NON hemi head doesn't seem to run into coil bind with the coils being compressed to MAX and breaking valve/retainer and dropping valve into the motor... ruining the motor. 26# springs good for ~.425" lift? 22# springs good for ~.325" lift? depending on casting as all are a lil different. BILLET rod .020" oversize ? to get piston to 0 deck height. .009 Head gasket (stock on NON hemi engine) so have ~.030" piston to head clearance. Billet flywheel if expect over .... 5500 RPMs? $120 for a flywheel for $100 motor???? epoxy magnet and holder to the flywheel so magnet doesn't fly out /off like a bullit... but 5.x # flywheel exploding cant be good to anyone within 100'+++ . 3/16" plate steel tween motor and operator? HEMI engine with HIGH LIFT cams might run into piston because of canted valves on HEMI, less of a problem with NON hemi engine which many believe is a better head than the HEMI head? who wud have thought?
@2:27= knarly ball smash💥
It shoots flames all right!!!
You kids have fun, but stay safe!
Add tourqe converters and put in a 12$ set of valve springs
Torque converter will fix that low speed snail acceleration. Better yet, go to Harbor Freight and put one of those 22 horsepower V-twins on it with a real gas tank. There's another bike similar to that one, I think it's called the monster dog. Same set up but it has rear suspension, luggage rack, single down tube up front. I've always wanted one of these bikes but I would modify it by installing a rear drum brake system on the front. Might as well go all out and install a headlight, tail light, brake light, mirror, and turn signals, stretch out the frame to make a 2 seater with that V twin motor, a little larger diameter tires. Go crazy.
Cool! So, what I can draw from this is if you run with gov, you might as well run the 79cc engine. More efficient and about the same speed with gov, right?
Speed determined by rpm not horsepower, add more power/ torque change to higher gearing and get more speed. If maxed governed rpm is the same the power doesn't do anything for speed just acceleration to top speed. So it will be quicker but same top end.
i compared racing fuel and premium full and the racing fuel made it more fun I ran it all stock and it increased the horsepower a little bit
Unless you increase compression or advance the spark timing there is no point in using a higher octane fuel
If you simply take out the governor and leave everything else stock, you will probably dramatically shorten the life of the engine. Quite a number of internal parts need to be changed out for the engine to survive the higher rpm. A brain is a terrible thing to waste, wear a helmet and strap it on properly, long pants and a long sleeve shirt and gloves are a good idea also, we have a saying in motorcycling, "All the gear, all the time", its good advice.
alex macy tuck n ROLL
Rod and flywheel are unecessary unless you are spinning 6 grand at the track continuously and are trying NOT to float the valves.
Stop spreading misinformation.
Lol
Lmao they aren't riding motorcycles tho and I've put down both sliding a mini bike isn't nowhere near as bad as sliding a motorcycle and you don't really need that much protection especially since mini bikes are severely underpowered
I thought this was America, where you are free to live your life how you see fit?
My mini bike when i was a kid went 35 mph. I was 10-12 when i had it,2 998 so i would have been way lighter so that would explain the couple mph difference. Idk if the gov was taken off it by the people i bought it from but id did go faster than my go kart with the same engine. And i did blow it up once having it wide open rippin down the train tracks for a long distance, it seized up on me. Back than i didnt know anything about a gov but lookin back on it now, i dont think it had one. Shit, i even used fishing string as the throttle cable lol. Run about 4 or 5 strands of high test thru the cable housing and you got yourself a cheap diy throttle cable. It does wear down and break, but it will last a long time. If it does break run more strands than previously before.
Amante Apasionado thanks for the info
Gig Em!
Did you change the oil in the other one that could be a factor also
You gave your truck a guy's name? "Not there's anything wrong with that" -Seinfeld
My ct100 goes 42 and I haven't touched the governor yet, cost like 50 cents for the spring I used
12th. One day I wanna come race y'all with my minibike. Boohya
73s from Hillsboro Texas!
what make/model were those minibikes?
Time for a comet torque converter, cool bikes!
Does it vibrate bad with the governor removal
Removing the governor system will give more power but you should build the motor to be stronger on the internal parts like crankshaft gears and cams lifters push rods rocker arms connecting rod and piston and piston rings and a lighter flywheel to help prevent engine damage and use 15w-40 engine oil with Lucas oil stabilizer to better lubricant the engine with that much higher RPM’s.
All irrelevant.
Its not a GX160/200 or a Briggs Animal. Its a Chinesium clone that cost $100. Valves will float at or around 5500 rpms, sounds like a high speed misfire, meaning its time to get off the gas. Conrods fail from incorrect oil levels. Flywheels......show me where one turned to shrapnel and ill buy ya a beer.
The hell is that banger of an intro song
I'm tryna find out
taking out governor there's a chance that the cam gear can shatter at high speed because it's plastic
Not all of them are plastic.
Add 18 pound value springs
still dont want to be floating those valve springs, btw its valve not value
you can explain it to them but you can't make them understand it!
Look at the cam gear in this motor was plastic ,,,,,,,,, stock has a plastic ,,,,,, hemi has steel
dude that thing hauls ass. Gotta do this to my Coleman powersport
We don't need no stinking helmets! Please be safe, ICU sucks. Cool truck, bikes, and video. I removed the plastic clip from my 9.9 hp Tohatsu outboard that I used to power my 11 meter Sillenger rhib and my 24' 1963 Columbia Challenger sailboat. the 15hp and 9.9 are the same, however, the 9.9 has a plastic piece, that prevents the motor from gaining an additional 400 rpm that the 15hp(same motor) has. As you can imagine, a 50% increase in power is super awesome.
Did anyone else notice he seemed a little smashed in the beginning???? lmao 🤣
If you carb it do you still have 2 take governor gear out?
what mini bike kit are those
Lol, my stock 1979 Honda Z-50 Mini Trail goes 34mph. But nice job.
Sweet.What a difference.Is the 'popping'from valve float now,as you haven't put the stronger springs in yet?Can't wait to see 40mph.
popping out exhaust is from too rich a mixture of gas for elevation. over 3000' need SMALLER jets NOT larger jets as there isn't as much air at HIGH elevation so all that is happening is raw unburned gas is going out exhaust pipe and igniting when it gets more air. waste of gas. black plug = TOO MUCH gas/not enough air. carbs are jetted for sea level, the higher up in elevation a person is, the less air there is= motor runs rich/wastes gas. 26# springs, CM 265" cam, 1.3 rockers, Billet rod/flywheel, port heads, .009 head gasket (.030" min piston to head clearance). if going to open the motor up anyway, might as well have parts ready to swap out. easy to put $250 into $100 engine to make it GO!!!! Billet flywheel... $120 now???? in a $100 engine???? Billet rod $65 is acceptable as if rod breaks, ruins motor. 50mph+++ but how fast does a person want to go on something with small tires and limited brakes and little visibility to other motorists. what do ppl say when they run over someone on a bike.... "I DIDNT SEE THEM?!?!?!?) as she furiously texts on get GD phone that is surgically implanted to her hand at all times.
@@hezekiahjohnston8360 If you do these mods are you still on pump gas? And is motor dependable? I'm more use to big engines. I was thinking about a 6-8 horse power 4 stroke, dependable, light weight portable engine and alt mounted on plate. to run a 12 volt one wire alternator. 140-160 amp alt to charge batteries v belt pulley drive system.
No that popping sound is from the valves floating. At high rpm the exhaust and intake valves in the cylinder float and stay open.
I always thought the governor was that idle screw on the carb lol
I have a xl175 anyway I could install this and make at least 45 mph with it?
Make a full video how to take the governor out
Hey guys check out red beards vid on removing the governor. He has a neat trick to make getting it out quick and easy. By knocking out the governor gear pin that it spins on. Also a 1/4 inch bolt will self tap into the governor arm hole and the governor gear pin hole.