Repainting Doors with the GRACO ULTRA | Does it Suck?
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- čas přidán 19. 10. 2019
- I'll be using the Graco Ultra Max cordless sprayer to repaint three metal doors in a commercial restaurant. I'll show you how to set up the sprayer and tell you how it performed on a real world professional job.
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Joshua 1:9
You just shattered my heart when you said it’s a small project sprayer. I hoped it would work for big projects.
The John cena of painting 😂
I swear I was gonna say he looks like stone cold Steve Austin lmao
😂😂😂
Lol comment of the year 🤣 😂 😅
Jajaja 😂 😅😅😅😅
"U CAN'T SEE ME"
I’ve had my ultra handheld corded now for about a year, I use it for strictly crown mouldings , Covings and woodwork, one year one it’s still on the same pump, I must have put over 250 Litres of paint through with no problems , I dilute my paints by 5-10% then run at a fairly low pressure , what’s vital is and where a lot of people go wrong is cleaning, I think the main reason these don’t last for people is because they simply don’t do the required maintenance, once I clean it out I put about 50ml of pump armour through then once a week I get it back out and reapply pump armour, this isn’t an everyday sprayer but used under the correct conditions it can last you a while and it’s payed for itself now around 10 times
I completely agree with you. I have the corded version and I've used it for small projects like doors and chairs all the way to large projects like painting garages (doors and siding). It's been a great gun and worth its money. Just clean it right and armour it for storage.
The trick is to use warm to hot water with a palm full of cheap laundry powder, this helps remove waterbase paint removing filter is a must do each time used ,then flush with water and finish with pump Saver, don't wear it out spraying ltrs of water to clean use the soapy warm water . I've painted whole internals of houses when there's no power,I just hit out 12 doors and 6 rooms just the cornice, yes not for use everyday but they can save so much time/ money when used correctly .spray wd40 on tip and gaurd prior , makes paint removal easy.
A lot of people buy it and do walls with it too, until the pump (£$180) burns out... Ouch
Every time the system overheats and cuts out you are cutting the pumps life short. I learned that the hard way too - now I have a wagner 250m, and I use the Graco Ultra for woodwork jobs (doors, windows & small jobs)
Thank you for your channel and your time. Learning a lot from you, was about to buy one last week now I’ll just buy the airless sprayer.
Hey Chris!
I picked up the Ultra from SW last year to paint some doors and trim. It worked great. I squeezed out 12 doors and some trim with little effort. First time spraying and they came out great! It was about $350 so I couldn’t pass it up. If it breaks now no biggy- cheaper than hiring someone.
as a previous painter it looks like it could be handy at times but must say flat doors like those are much easier to roll out than masking off everything or having to cover up the over spray with a few coats of paint. i believe this would work great for panel doors or crown molding.. good review though, appreciate it..
Thank you for sharing your experience. I have the corded TC Pro unit. It's been a learning curve spraying doors for a local contractor. I'll be buying some 10 or 11 tips to finish the job.
Thanks man - you just saved me a lot of money. I was considering this as an everyday sprayer on professional projects. good advice !
5:50 to start watching the video!
Thanks.
He's great at describing products, terrible at editing/filming. If he could learn to talk over close-ups of what he's talking about he could cut just about all his videos in half
@@80211Denver IMO the information/performance outweighs filming quality. I'm personally watching to learn about the sprayer and his experience. If his filming/editing isn't perfect, idc. Were construction workers, not video techs lol
@@wTwisted I am too but his style seems to be describing 10 steps, then showing 10 steps. He should do both at once more effectively. If you're going to produce videos, learn to do that, as well as be a master at your craft. He's a great painter, knows his stuff, needs to work on delivery
@@80211Denver I know what you mean. I know I couldn't handle running a business, overseeing a crew, and running a youtube channel. I'm just glad we do have youtube, it helps me take a lot of different aspects from different tradesmen and incorporate it into my own style.
Hi Chris, I have the older corded version and have used it for many projects. I find that the excessive overspray is too much of a hassle. I see in part of your video that overspray was engulfing the space. It seems doing the job with regular 395 will perform much better. Your small job comments are right on. Thanks for doing these great videos.
Love your explanation, this work for all my trim jobs. Thanks again
Thanks for another great video. I’m debating on getting one of these. Your videos and experience have been educational and highly influence my decision on purchasing painting materials and tools. Rock on Chris!
Glad I could help!
own two, love the sprayer. Zero issues! we run the hell out of these. I see all the problem people are having in the comments, all I can say is: keep it clean and strain your paint.
We do the same thing but the pump is too sensitive mate
If you are using a water based product you can simply take the cup off and turn it upside down under a faucet (preferably a shop sink) leave the water running and prime for a second then continue to spray until it comes out clear. Cleanse in half the time. Also when you prime just know water will come out of the little hole that recirculates so be sure and cup your hand over so you dont shoot water up in the air.
Good information thanks for sharing🤙
I’ve been looking at this sprayer for a while wasn’t sure how it would perform... thanks for all the insight!!!!
Thank you for this Video I been thinking of buying one. You pretty much answer all my questions.
I have the electric model. Never had a problem yet! I do all my crown molding an doors. Perfect finish an saves me alot of time. Awesome video👍👍
Electric? What do you mean? Isn't this one electric?
synthesaurus he means electric as in the corded version. I also got one for small home projects.
Yesterday stained 100 feet of fence. Worked pretty good.
@@dmitryshevchenko349 what brand and kind of paint do you use for your doors with this sprayer I’m mixed on all these comments. I’m thinking you should only use thin products with this sprayer for longer life on the pump. Thanks
Thanks for the video. for small projects, I was thinking of getting one of these small sprayers for small projects, but it also came to my mind to buy instead a HVLP for even better results and flexibility when it comes to use less paint. Thanks again.
I use it for small job as bathroom ceiling etc, have also 395 for painting and Mark 7 for gypsum. All the stuff has their place. I think my UltraMax is a great machine for the work I expect from it. Never had any problem with it.
I love very much to use GRACO even im beginners because of your video i learned more about GRACO thanks for sharing your are the king of the GRACO AIRLESS SPRAYER user's 😅
Those are some very unfortunate colors in that hallway 😂
So cleaning takes about the same time as any hvlp with the 3m pps cup. These things are very convenient and faster then using hvlp for jobs like these. Where you only have a couple doors
Bought it for one job. Did not expect it to last. Was not disappointed.
Now that was one impressive video, your the best on youtube...thanks for sharing and all the free pro tips👍
Thank you Chad for sharing and watching 🤙
I had the battery version that didn’t shoot hot solvents (TrueCoat VS) These guns are ok for smallish jobs - maintenance guy wanting to paint a few doors, cover up graffiti, etc. I used the sprayer to paint WRC picket fence boards. It took two coats using Cabot solid stain and I back brushed the product. I went through 5 gallons and the unit held up well. It does have a narrow use application. You must have diluted the product. Graco support will tell you to strain the product to avoid clogs, which makes the spray sputter. The cups come in larger sizes, but you have to buy them. I purchased a second cup to rinse the system out adding a few drops of dawn liquid soap. Warm water helps clean out the unit quicker, but to get the unit spotless clean takes time 15-25 minutes. The Graco hand held unit should be able to paint a bedroom out, but not on ha frequent basis. I would say no more than a few times a year. It’s not the right gun to shoot an interior of a 3 bedroom house. Did you get your bible verses mixed up with tip sizes?
I saw that
You are the master my friend, thanks for another great video!
Paul
That hallway looks awesome, nice job!
I love following you. Anyone can understand and follow your instructions. I have practically learned everything I need to know about the graco jand held spray gun that I just got delivered two days ago without reading the manual. I bought exactly the same gun you demoed only corded.
How has the sprayer worked for you? Any negatives?
How has it been working out for you? Any problems?
Great job guys absolutely was learning towards getting this product but now I'm actually just going to get a small pump for the smaller jobs. I bought the titan electric version of this and wasn't to happy with it hard to figure out
Nice little Finish Carpentry TV plug their =) great channel
Yup the shade is real
Great video as usual from you guys! Do you turn off the a/c system when using this sprayer or the other airless sprayers? Thank you in advance!
Thank you for the video I start painting my oak cabinets tomorrow!
Again..... another fantastic video and very helpful. Thank you!
Your welcome🤙
Paint Life TV and i love that you are not afraid to show your faith. Amen and thank you for that as well!
8:26 That was unexpectedly hilarious. I actually laughed out loud.
I love the fact you always throw in a bible verse!!! Love your work I’ve been a painter for a while but I want to learn more about spraying so I’ve been learning from you! So thank you
Thank you. I have one of these and agree with your assessment.
Glad it was helpful!
Thank you SO MUCH for your honest comments at 7:11. I was thinking about getting this for some priming I need to do with all my trim. I already have larger Graco sprayers, and was hopeful that this would give me the reason not to pull those out. I don't do any small projects so this would not be the best thing for me right now. Thanks again, you've saved me about $600.
Would not waste the money
Premature pump failure is operator error. I use the hell out of these things on smaller projects and rarely have an issue.
Another great video but, why do painters not remove door handles and in most cases plates around outlets/switches? It is so quick and easy to do. Probably quicker than taping that handle up. If I hire a painter, they better take everything off like its brand new construction and nothing is in the way.
I've painted for thirty years now and you are correct.
Thank you for the well done and informative video. Much appreciated! God bless.
Yeah I never thought about the flammable issue but also I don't use too many of those kinds of paint nor sprayers like this. Had one for a little bit but took it back because of priming and cleaning issues. A lot of parts to keep up with and a little more than I like to clean...bigger rigs are easier. I would definitely go with his advice and not use it much.
The Ultra max is the one for flammable materials not the Ultra as you mention in the video. There is also a pretty big price difference between the two.
He did say he had the Ultra Max at the beginning....
Also the unit he shows in the off-site part at around 9:00 is not the one for solvent spray. The one for solvent has a shield in front of the battery.
i replaced the seal still do the same and by the fifth time of usage start to leak on the knob i leave it at the store and the representative of Graco said unable to check it cos i dint leave the battery so you need to find a repair shop to fixed. the question is why you expend over 600 .00 to go thorough the problem i fill like put my money on the trash.
Wagner $150
They are garbage
Totally agree with you. I even contacted Graco reps and never heard back from them. Total waste of money.
Another great video!
Nice work, very professional Thanks
You are welcome
When did John Cena start painting?
I just see the paint sprayer and some one talking.
That's so funny!
J W the fact someone posted the comment longer before you makes you a loser to steal comments.
You have to be John Cena to hold that thing! Too heavy for larger jobs or more than three doors!
@@MoparGuy1625 two people can have the same thought
I did my whole house with it. The only issues I had were 1) having to re prime the gun often
And 2) it clogs every so often an I had to run water through it to get it going again. But it still went fast
Thanks for the heads up 👍
Knowledge... thank you for the video!
I got an earlier corded model which had two tips that were not compatible with the other tips Graco makes. I wasn't impressed with it. I have used it twice in two years. I think I'll pass on this one.
Great video! I think the scripture verse is Isaiah 40:30 & 31 Keep the Faith!
THANK YOU! First person on the planet that told me this is small project ONLY. Saved me 400 rocks! ))
Your welcome! Thank you for sharing 🤙
I have the Ultra and the 360° VSP.
Indispensable tools for small projects and the ultra smooth finish for metals and good trim.
You sprayed a door closed? How do you handle the painting of the missed areas?
@Mike Oxmall I guess its done but not finished?
I thought this was John cena 😂😂
We used it on doors in Tucson Az , helped out on alott of doors cause we couldn’t use our large sprayers for some reason , can’t remember I think it was a retirement home , anyway was oil based . Next day we burned it out guy at Sherwin said and laughed said we were crazy , specially with the heat , boss said cool guess he made his cash that day with as many doors we sprayed ..fixed then just used it for spall things after lol , it’s a pretty good gun pressure setting also cool thing ..great vid thanks always helpful 👍
Blessings my brother good stuff🙏🏽
I’ve literally repaired hundreds of these.. They’re an expensive touch up tool. Good for up to around 200 litres then you’re going to want to replace the pump if lucky enough it lasts that long. Trouble is people tend to buy these thinking it can do it all... It simply can’t.
Thanks for sharing - great information!🤙
Shaun Johnson So I have owned this graco ultramax cordless sprayer since May 18 of 2019.
I have maybe put three to four gallons of paint thru this device.. Now I have bought the solvent type model to spray oil based and varnishes. I have not, repeat have not ran oil based paint thru the device .
The sprayer now will not spray anywhere near what it used to. I called tech support on the box (they have number on boxwhen you buy the unit new) I called the number and told them what was happening. So it turns out the seal between lid and flex liner cup ( 32oz. ) Is not making a tight seal enough to create a vacuum . So the person on the phone says your pump is fine your unit works. Yes, but its not spraying properly. However they said the lid on the cup is a wear part and can be bought at home depot or lowes. I said so I have to replace lid everytime I run 2 to 4 gallons ? He didn't state , but continued to say that's a wear part. You can buy it at hardware store or where ya bought it. I told him I bought it on amazon. He didnt care but.. my issue is, This unit is the solvent model. Oil based paint is much more harsh , on products and equipment. How can this seal hold up ? Its not holding up to water based paint how will it last.? Its not going to.
I have been to evey home depot or lowes in my area. (Seattle) no lid no flex liner cage replacement anywhere. The liners I can find but the lid that screws over the flex liner to keep air out is no longer effective, making the cordless sprayer useless.
These units run around $750.00 its exspensive !.. The unit does not last. Its not reliable, no replacment parts and the tech service was useless. By the way I replaced the black air valve for bleeding air out. This part is given with the unit as an extra, actually they give you two in the kit w the sprayer. But they do not give a new gasket or lid with the flex liner cup system, which is vital to using the sprayer. I cannot find a replacment part for the lid anywhere. graco support says you can buy the part cause its a "wear part " . Basically saying we dont cover or replace vital parts that make the unit work properly, "wear part"
I had high expectations for this ultramax cordless sprayer, given the price and brand graco. I no longer have faith in this sprayer anymore. I dont do painting for a living but bought this spayer to do small jobs around my home and cabin. I cant Imagine having this tool to depend on for a professional painter.
10/14/19. Update I have replaced flex liner system, cup and lid. The sparyer is not working properly. After 5 months.. Maybe 3 or 4 gallons of latex paint. This sparyer does not hold up well. I called customer service again. They want a receipt copy and they will send out a new pump. So to sum it all up.. pump failure with very little use. I keep it clean always after use.
So I will get a new pump, install it and hope the cordless sprayer can put out 5 more gallons before another pump failure ?? .... Ok.
Miguel Moreno Sorry to hear this, you can replace the pump system easy enough yourself which I can almost guarantee you is the issue here. I work for a company called Spray Direct. You can google the company and find the replacement part needed. Once you’re on the website and on the search bar type, 17P187. That’s the main pump needed for the handheld Ultramax. “Solvent based” If its the Ultra pump replacement you require, then it’s 17P186. “Water based” Or you can send it in to us and I can sort it for you with a quick turnaround for you Miguel.
My ultra is off for replacement pump number 3, fourth pump all in all. one pump failed after 5 litres. They're great when they work put they are so temperamental. Great for touch up work. For me, the biggest problem with these when they landed in the UK is that they were miss sold by the reps and retailers as being more capable than what they are actually are.
Matt Irvine so you spend $200 eveytime you need one?
Overspray on those overhead lights?
And the carpet you didn’t fully cover?
Like your reveiew. I am considering one. Thanks.
Your welcome thanks for sharing!
Thank you for a video. You are the best !
Thank you for sharing and watching 🤙
I really enjoy your videos, thank you for all the information! One question, on the passage that you posted, Isaiah 4;30-31, did you mean another one? I ask because I like that you do that But Isaiah 4 only goes up to verse 6...
Yes should of been 40 thanks for sharing🤙
@@Idahopainter
Awesome, thank you very much!
@@Idahopainter , Isaiah 40: 30-31 is for Jacob and Israel Isaiah 40: 27 . You need to keep the scripture in it's proper context and not distort the word of YHWH.
@@ahmahtiyehudim7307 I applaud you for not wanting to distort scripture. But please consider Jacob is Israel and Israel is Jacob and he had been dead a long time before the days of Isaiah the prophet. This is written for his children (The children of Israel) and is applicable for "They that wait upon the Lord." (v.31) Remember we are the "Israel of God" (Galatians 6:16) through the mystery of the gospel according Ephesians 3:6 NIV "This mystery is that through the gospel the Gentiles are heirs together with Israel, members together of one body, and sharers together in the promise in Christ Jesus." No need to overthink it.
Is this one better than the one they first put out 7-8 years ago?? I bought that one and it was sort of clumsy and difficult to clean out. Thanks!!
Shellcracker Lover yes much better matte.. works with fflp tips graco green ones and blues and i tested with titan guards and worked good with hea tips
I have the corded version, and it works great. I'd like to try painting car panels with it. Or at least shooting primer on body panels.
Thanks nice demo
Thanks
Just saved me 500
Yeah I wants to get one but for $500+ I'd rather put that towards an Apollo hlvp setup
You didn't have the money to begin with
You use that paint sprayer in another video back in July 2017 with the 514 tip
I'm not a heavy painter.
Usually I do as little paint as a small piece of furniture. Originally using Wagner spray, I recently bought a Graco Ultra. But the default tip was 514, I didn't know how to working in detail. It was embarrassing to see the paint splashed over too large an area. Watching these videos, I knew what to do. I need to buy a tip. Anyway, it was helpful. Thank.
Just got ultimate one, I will see how it goes over the time using it only for small add on projects like doors and shutters every other job
As a cabinet installer I’m always watching painters at the mouldings stage and I always ask them why they do t use one of these guns instead of rolling and brushing but without exception they always say the masking is far more work then doing it by hand.
makes no sense. I can mask faster than they paint by hand. once its masked its done.
jamie Russell ya I’m really not sure why. I’m not a painter but there must be some kind of rationale. At least in the environment or timing when I happen to be around. Maybe it can’t be done after finish flooring is in? Something to do with the phase the job is at when base & case goes in?
The win is in speed of painting, the masking is a not slowing down the proces
Depends on the situation, i can cut and roll before some mask it up 🤷♂️
Then other times it's worth the masking time
It's the type of finish you want to achieve, and in circumstances when you have let's say dentil crown mouldings or floral designs , just brushing dentil crown will kill your day vs spray in seconds
I've burnt 4 of these up over the years (corded versions). Guess I used them too much at once. I personally wouldn't waste my money on another one
This was really helpful,I was gonna buy one but I only needed it for a small project so it's not worth it because I will not use it much.
My experience hasn't been positive. Love it when it's working but it tends to be very finicky. My biggest issue is it isn't dependable when I need it to be.
One other note:
Mine became so undependable, it has set on a shelf ever sense it's like 7th use. I can't trust it to accomplish a task so it's benched from duty. In reality I'm hoping this is just a starting point for Graco. I pray they pursue improving upon its design. Personally I'd lose the idea it needs to spray upside down and go with a simple cup system like my homelite sprayer. It's extremely dependable and cleans quick and easily. Less moving parts so to speak. Currently my Graco is not the easiest thing to prepare for painting and it's a bit involved to get lock and loaded. Even worse is the clean up process is frustrating. With that said note though I "LOVE"my Graco products as I own every thing from most of their available attachments, guns, numerous sprayers, and even a Line Lazer. Great company, great products, this one's in need of a redesign in my opinion.
Thanks for.the honest review.. aint buying it now
@3 eccys munted they dont spit at all. Might of not cleaned it well.
I love these till the pump burns out, they’re great but after about 30 gallons of paint they burn up and replacement parts are almost the cost of a new gun
After 30 gallons you better had made your money for a new sprayer 10 times
Appreciate your video...thanks!
Your welcome! Thanks for sharing🤙
Been painting for about 19yrs...
For me brush and roller you can't go wrong. There's a reason why old school ways are top notch
@Thelma Peckerwood your face needs some "special spackle"
There are a lot of old school ways that caused a lot of problems. The thing is you have to use the proper technique and tool for the proper project in mind. I will agree that some older ways are better but more times than not it is not.
After the 3rd use it quit working waste off $500
Flowtrol
@@lifesgood7235 I'll try it got a bunch thank You
@D Mills love that shit
I was wondering. Had previous version lasted about three or four times and that was it.
Complete waste of money worked twice and then Kaput no repair for under at least £60 Toy not even DIY
there is no 30-31 in 4th chapter in looked in my kjv
Yeah, I was a bit confused by that aswell
I notice that too.
I looked too, now I’m curious to know which verse he meant
His own verse. Lol. Made up
Just did my garage 16×18×12 high with the 360 ds with 42 oz cups worked great but was getting warm at the end
Work in property management and we have a couple of the corded ones we use for small touch ups and quick painting jobs. Beats a brush and roller any day and quicker to clean than a traditional pump.
Easier..yes. but at a much higher rate cost in comparison to labor/equipment cost and repair.. as far as cleaning it..if that's your claim then I guarantee thay you are not cleaning it correctly. These are a pain to clean properly. Traditional pumps are alot faster and have ways to hook up to forced water to help out the process and these handhelds do not.
I swear there's a paint gun just hanging in the air.
Underrated comment
You can buy a small tin of anti fish 🐠 eye 👁 off eBay just put it in your paint 🎨
wallingtonfilming The Candle man what the fuck are you talking about
😂
I want to get one for that exact reason if we miss a door or for small projects I just dislike having to set up my everyday sprayer to get a cabinet door that just got missed or something haha I’m saving up for it now
Idemo bravo brate najbolji si
I wonder how much over spray just landed on that light cover
jason bartha tons
None
These types of guns from this company and extremely fast to paint with. But you will spend so much time fixing it it's becomes a pain in the ass.
Nice video man
Thanks . Very good video .
Your welcome🤙
They spit constantly after the first couple gallons through it. I’ve replaced the pumps numerous times and still spit. Cost WAY too much for what you get
Exactly, you right the pump cost too much . It’s $700 here in Australia 🇦🇺 the pump cost $400 I wanted buy as it’s handy but it’s worthless what we pay for !
Triaxial pump no? I see them for $180 but still a ton considering what a normal airless pump is
It it spits - lower the pressure. Its counter intuitive but this is what worked for me
Great video. By the way, there is no Isaiah 4:30-31.
i agreed
He probable meant Isaiah 40:30-31
30 Even the youths shall faint and be weary, and the young men shall utterly fall:
31 But they that wait upon the LORD shall renew their strength; they shall mount up with wings as eagles; they shall run, and not be weary; and they shall walk, and not faint.
I love mine. I use it to spray new doors, and trim in my maintenance shop paint booth, and tub refinishing.
Just curious did you use the tips that came with the sprayer or did you use a different size tip. How is the overspray? I’ve got some doors I need to paint and it drys to fast to roll. Leaves stippling. Thanks.
@@mrtv777 depends on the thickness of the paint look up on google a guide for what tip to use and when. They also sell fine finish tips that work great in these guns if your looking for a perfect finish.
@@ThomasSteed awesome! Thanks for your help
I think it blows under high pressure instead of sucking! although it it does suck in the paint then blows it out the other end under pressure! i have one and it works a treat, really efficient batteries which are easily replaceable. I like that its all compartmentalized inside which makes cleaning and loading very easy. Its a great bit of kit for small jobs like, cupboards, shelving, cornice work and small ceilings. I use mine mainly for cornice work. I'd highly recommend the cordless "Ultra".
Even youths grow tired and weary, and young men stumble and fall; but those who hope in the Lord will renew their strength.
Just in case you missed 😉 Isaiah430
Gtfoh!
Uh there's only 6 verses in Isaiah 4. He meant Isaiah 40:30-31
Who else came cause they thought John Cena was showI ng a paint tutorial 💀😅🤣😅 I'm i didnt hear nothing after I saw it wasn't😂🤣😅👍🏾👍🏾
LOL
Looks nice.
Excellent
I admire the way you subtly post Bible verses.
Yes I like that also but this time they got it wrong there's no 30-31 in chapter 4 in Isaiah I think there's only 6 verses in chapter 4
Buy I'm sure it was a small mistake just wanted to point that out
JCAT Andrade I believe that he meant to have Isaiah 40:30-31 which is a popular passage.
@@alainm6070 yes thats probably what they meant
Sulaymaan Kingseed like in Steven 1:1 says Stay with what you know works never stray from it or be fooled by false prophets and their non corded sprayers they're an abomination to the lord thy god and shall be cast into the lake of burnt sprayers for eternity !!
Graco the best but in that small machines bad investment a lot of money very expensive parts and only for doors, the cost of a graco 390 is better cheaper and more use
By the way, you can buy a conversion kit, to convert the gun for using the larger paint bags. I have the corded version, and the frequent refills annoyed the heck out of me.
I find that a setting of 4 works for me. That's spraying thick latex from Home Cheapo.
I use the 208 FFLP tips. I spray small projects for my home like paint grade cabinets, toe kicks, etc...
I'd just rather brush the doors than deal with the hassle. Heck, for those no panel doors cut the knob and bottom then roll em.