Tamiya DT-03 Racing Fighter! DT-02 MS Shock Alloy Upgrade versus DT-03 CVA Shocks!
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- čas přidán 11. 12. 2021
- Third time's a charm? Get ready for the most radical idea ever! Here's my shot at the most perfect shock set-up for the Tamiya DT-03 Racing Fighter and the Tamiya DT-03 Neo Fighter Buggy! The search was hard ... but I found them at last!
Would love to hear what shocks you are running your DT-02 or DT-03 with, in the comment section.
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If interested in all the other optional parts and items used in the build of this particular Tamiya DT-03 Racing Fighter, here they are:
- Tamiya Anaerobic Gel Thread Lock 54032 (Hop-Up Option OP-1032)
- Tamiya Ceramic Grease 87099
- Tamiya PS-16 Metallic Blue Polycarbonate Paint
- Tamiya 19T 0.8 Mod Steel Pinion Gear 54629 (Hop-Up Option OP-1629)
- Tamiya Hard Turnbuckle Shafts 53942 (Hop-Up Option OP-942)
- Tamiya DF-02 Universal Shafts Hop-Up Option 53791 (Hop-Up Option OP-791)
- Tamiya DT-02 Limited Slip Ball Differential Set 53863
- Tamiya DT-02 Aluminum Motor Mount 53831
- Tamiya DT-02 5x45 mm Light Weight Tubes (for Gears)
- Tamiya DT-02 MS Full Ball Bearings
- Tamiya DF-03 Aluminium Shocks w/ DT-02 MS white springs
- Tamiya DT-03 Carbon Damper Stay Front 54562 (Hop-Up Option OP-1562)
- Tamiya DT-03 Carbon Damper Stay Rear 54563 (Hop-Up Option OP-1563)
- Tamiya 2WD Astral Dish Front Wheels 60/19 51205
- Tamiya 2WD Wide Grooved Front Tires 60/19 51207
- Tamiya Large Dish Rear Wheels 62/35 53881
- Tamiya High Density Spike Rear Tires K 62/35 51241
- Tamiya TBLM-01 Sensorless Brushless Motor 16T 7435098
- Tamiya TBLE-01 Sensorless Brushless ESC 100A
- Sanwa/Airtronics RX-371W 2.4G Receiver
- Amewi/AM Racing 6208MG 8.2Kg 0.07sec Digital Servo 28916
- GPM Racing DT-02/03 Aluminium Rear Knuckle Arms Set DT3022
- GPM Racing DT-02/03 Aluminium Front Knuckle Arms Set DT3021-B
- GPM Racing DT-02/03 Aluminium Front C-Hubs Set DT3019
- GPM Racing DT-02/03 Aluminium Rear Wheel Hex Adaptor Set DT3010R-B
The plan is actually to remove most of the DT-02 MS parts - and re-use these in another project. Already got some new parts from both Tamiya and more from GPM Racing. Coming up!
So, three set of bling-bling shocks. And I ended up using the original CVA shocks the kit was supplied with. The irony of it all. That doesn't mean I have given up. I find it a little boring to have two different DT-03's, but with the same shocks. But definitely taking a break from it now. If I doesn't find some that work just as good, or nearly as good, I will just use the CVA's. The idea is to get this up an running for the new season. With different electronics and all.
To be fair to the Hop-Up shocks from Tamiya: They work great on my DT-02 MS, my DF-02, DF-03 and TT-02B. Not sure what the quick rebounce in the rear is all about. Maybe I actually changed pistons or/and oil on the other DT-02 MS shocks. It's been several years since I last re-build those. Would be interesting to open them up and see what set-up they have. I hope I used Tamiya-oil, so the oil is colored according to Tamiya's color code. Then it should be fairly easy to set up the other shocks exactly the same.
Not sure what I will do with the GPM Racing and 3Racing shocks. Maybe some day, I will source out some new springs and pistons for it. So much easier with Tamiya. Got plenty of spare shocks and pistons in the correct size for those.
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Not to be rude by judging by the way you built that shock at 7.10 no wonder you have problems. You did not bleed the oil at all!? It’s a wonder it did not hydro lock. You need to screw the cap on with the piston shaft pushed in to where you want it to rebound to or preferably all the way in for 0 rebound on off road shocks.
Ahh, good tip. Good catch. I will try that. Never heard about it and never seen any do it. Apart from the shocks that have a bleed hole of course. I wonder why some shocks work fine without that technique and why some don’t? And no manuals ever mention it. Hmm. But it makes sense. But I suspect 90% of people building these affordable shocks or entry-level cars never do it. So the testing is still good. Most of these shocks will be build like I did it. Amateur’ish 😊 But I will try it. Maybe on the other channel as an experiment. Or here. Thanks.
I always push the piston all the way in to reduce rebound. On some shocks it doesn't seem to matter that much where the piston are when closing the caps and on other it is crucial to push it all the way in else there is a bouncy rebound effect.
@@LyhneRC It might indeed solve the problem with the DT-02 MS shocks. On my other DT-02 MS the same shocks behave perfect. I might have had the piston all the way in back then when I closed them.
So. I tried to bleed them. Piston all the way up. No change at all on the quick rebounce I’m afraid. So needs another piston hole set up or harder oil.
@@NordicRC you can try to cut a litle thin plastic ring at the same size as the piston. And then mount it between clip and piston. It wil work as a valve and reduce rebound.
Goddag, Mikael! Love this series, mate! Entertaining and informative - always a polished production too, with a nice hint of humour thrown in! Yay, good win for the Tamiya CVA's. At least we know the stock setup is hard to beat, showing how good the car comes out of the box. I call that a win for us RC enthusiasts and Tamiya fans! Take care, my friend! :O)
Goddag, Mark! Thank you for the kind comment my good friend. Yeah, stock set up it is. Best so far. Even better than the DT-02 CVA’s. They got it just right with the DT-03. The Tamiya alloy hop up will work good too, once I mess around with bleeding, oil, pistons, springs. The GPM and 3Racing will be hard to make perform, without the right spring options. So that is a waste of money if one doesn’t have the right spare springs by chance. Take care my good friend. Thank you for following along.
My friend! How have you been? I'm back into the RC video world. This was fun to watch. I implore you to pick up a Tamiya Shock Vacuum Pump. It makes building shocks a joy and gets you perfect shocks every time. No air bubbles and really allows you set the pistons right without getting rebound from trapped air. The best tool I have in my opinion. Also, I'm a huge fan of the Tamiya CVA shocks. They may not be bling, but they always work well.
Hi my good friend! Great to hear from you again! Been so long. I am good. Hope you are too. I saw a couple of thumbnails from you yesterday. Just haven’t had time to watch. Kids and work you know. Hard to find time to RC too. But all good. Ahh, yeah, I remember our talks and some videos from you with that machine. Usually the shocks do alright though. Maybe some day I’ll get one 😊 And yeah, most of the times the CVA’s does the job. It’s just fun to find something else sometimes. Bling-bling projects. But this time I went back to the CVA’s 😊 Hoping to get a few moments to visit your channel the following days. Will be fun to see what you’re up to - welcome back, my mate
This video has definitely saved me money. Subscribed and followed. Many thanks.
Thanks bro!
And good to hear it was useful ☺️👍🏻
Much better than it was!. Great work!
Thank you, my friend!
I bought some VRX river hobby shocks a while ago.. which i used on a buggy that i used about twice then recently bought a DF02 Riding Storm XB.. (that had pogo shocks) . So i pinched the VRX river hobby shocks off of the other car for the rising storm... They were a tad longer but they are very good at giving that soft landing... Thats with the NIMH battery in the car.. when driving from road into my driveway there is a lip to the gutter transition and it takes that with ease at high speed. No dip from the front end.. ..
Good tips., Jessica!
Awesome comparison Mikael!!!!! Sometimes things are better left alone, As I like to say, "If it ain't broke, don't fix it", But I do get the "Bling" factor of alloy parts, SHINY STUFF is eye candy for me to.
Thank you Bob! Ahh, yeah, sometimes indeed. If it ain’t broke don’t fix it. Sometimes though: If it ain’t broke, make it bling-blung anyways 😅 But not this time. The CVA’s won.
It's a lot of effort to find nice shocks, especially when the CVA's prove to be the best, ha ha... I got CVA's in most of my Tamiyas, just assembled as the instructions, no problems... But now I'm about to start building a custom Top Force and I feel I haven't got any idea what I want, except try avoid waste money, ha ha... Or maybe I'll just try out some options, no matter what the cost, let's see what I come up with.
Nice and well presented video as usual from you, Mikael, I enjoy watching these a lot!
Hi Mads! Yeah, lots of time and money. But it’s good to know 😊 Ahh. Top force custom. Seen some good builds on CZcams here. There must be some inspiration there, to what works and what doesn’t. Thank you so much for watching, bro.
For dt02/03 buggies I do the following.
I use trf 3 hole pistons in my cva front dampers and I remove one of the red orings and put a trf damper rod guide. Same for the rear except I use the black one hole pistons. 40wt associated oil all the way around. Stock front springs and red rear dt02 springs. Dampers will be super smooth and solid with zero stick and work exactly like dt02ms dampers and springs.
Hi Daniel! Thanks for the tips! Will surely look into it next time so I will try out some settings for the DT-02/03
They sell the trf big bore blank pistons 42332 that are 11mm diameter and fit perfect in the rear cva. You can drill them out to your preference. In addition to adding the trf shaft guide and the 501x rear shaft you can build a much better shock.
@@ivanarango8470 I just did this a few months ago ;)
Well my friend I just knew it. There are some Tamiya kits out there that don't need any suspension upgrades. Great series Mikael, loved every minute. All the best and a very Merry Christmas to you and the family my friend.
Hi Rob! Ha ha, yeah, the DT-03 CVA shocks are set up nicely by Tamiya. I wasted a lot of money on these ‘upgrades’ 😂 All the best to you and yours too, Rob. Wishing you some pleasant holidays.
Nice shock !
Thank you for watching
Good morning!
Good morning Mike!
I like the aluminum suspension coilovers there like awsome 👍 back wheels i love them i want to get set for my commet
Hi Keith! Rear wheels and tires looks great yeah, but I haven’t found a good surface for them. I’ve been told they are good for clay and carpets, but I run my off road models in sand, dirt and grass so I will change them for the stock tires again.
Better. The rear shockers, could benefit by using thicker oil, to slow the rebound.
Yeah. Or even another piston head with less holes. But this video was all about stock set ups.
Exactly. Or less preload.. Not more, like he added.
Nice video. Did you try the experiment with a battery inserted? The weight may give a different outcome.
Yeah, they work fine with a battery too. I think it was more important back in the days with the heavy NiMH batteries.
Another interesting video, I'm interested to see what shock works best, I'd love to own one of these buggies one day so your experiment will help me.
Thanks for sharing your video👍🦘🇦🇺
Thanks for watching my friend! Yeah, so far the best are the stock ones 😀
@@NordicRC
That's so unexpected.
When you have a right point it seems to be right.
Hiya Mikael. Ah more nerdy shock comparisons 😃 I reckon those ms shocks just need slightly thicker oil at the back. When you were asking what to do next with the DT-03 I was thinking that you should take it out for a drive as you have spent about a month with it on the bench with various different shocks on 😂 Anyway some good nerdy info and it did remind me to order some more shock oil. Hope all is well mate. Best wishes 😁
Hejsa Pete! Ha ha, yeah, nerdy table top stuff 😊 Ahh, yeah, will be easy to adjust the MS shocks for another project. I had a comment: maybe the piston wasn’t pressed far enough into the body (I know 😂). So maybe too much oil and maybe bleeding it will actually do the trick. Or yeah, two-hole pistons or/and thicker oil will surely do the trick. But these videos were all about the stock set up. Ahhh, taking it out without shocks? And no, will be long before this one sees any dirt. Melting snow, water and mud mud mud is all we have now. Got others for that, Anyways, pitch black in the evenings when I have a couple of spare minutes so the hobby room will do for now. Only option 😊 Got a lot of other changes to make with this one too. Hope it will be ready for the spring and sunshine 😊😀
Hope you ordered some good oil. What do you use? I use Tamiya. Mainly because of the color codes. So I can detect what oil I used 10 years ago 😊 Best wishes to you too Pete.
@@NordicRC yeah I was wondering if the weather and dark was curtailing your outdoor RC exploits. Oh yes do don't take it out with no shocks on 😂 I'm using CoreRC silicone oil in the Arrmas. It's good and you get a decent sized bottle. Usually 600cst or 1000cst. I do use the Tamiya oil in Tamiya shocks to start with and see how it is. I've never bought Tamiya oil separately though but there are always a load of spare ones around. Yeah I'd not thought about the fact that you can see what oil you used before because of the colour. Anyway, enough nerdy shock oil chat. Best wishes mate 😁
Bedt wishes my mate. Yeah, the color code is helpful 😊
Super like,,,, 🤩👍
Thanks, my mate!
I have DF03 springs (ITEM# 53927) on the stock dampers for this kit. The stock springs were too soft for jumps.
Good tip! Yeah, for high jumps I can imagine that.
I have never been disappointed with metal shocks, il looks to me that you inverted the pistons on the shocks, the car is back heavy, so you need soft ftont spring and light oil with more holes in the pistons at front and stiff springs with less holes in the pistons at the back, you can play with oil density too, work on an axle at a time and find balance
Hi Andrea. Yeah, but this is a video about the stock set ups? Stocks as they come or as according to the manual. Hard to test it otherwise 😅 You can see in the video that I show the pistons, O-rings, spring options, oil options.
Hi Mikael, I've recently purchased the Yeah Racing Big Bore Go dampers 70mm Front and 100mm Rear and they are just so good over the rough stuff and doing small jumps. I would recommend you try some. If you want to go the extra mile, replace all the seals with Tamiya 53574 TRF Damper guide and Oring. Mine has not leaked and its butter smooth. Take care.
Sounds like a good set-up! I will see if I can make the 3Racing and GPM work though. Money is short at the moment 😊 Best to you and thanks for the tip. I will surely check those shocks out. Maybe some day 😊
Hehehe , yeah Bling Bling Failure as you said ! How many times should i fall in this trap ? CVA Shocks work well, let's use them !Thanks for that my friend from the North. 'hope you're safe and your family too. Take care.
Hi Alex! Yeah, bling bling failure 😅 Ahh, sometimes they actually work better. But shocks are hard. They need to be set up precisely to the car. GPM and 3Racing are much better at machining alloy upgrade parts than setting up shocks 😊 All good here. Hope all is good down there too, my mate.
Have you try using stock rear springs on other shocks? Like to see that
Which stock springs on which shocks? 😀 Well, these videos are only about the stock set ups. So people now what they are gonna get.
I know i have commented on your previous shock videos, and i love the detail you do to filming it all.
I couldn't help once again chiming in, when you were dropping the racing fighter at the rear and it was bouncing back up too quickly, you then added MORE preload? Which will make the spring overcome the dampening effect of the oil and bounce more!
I feel both those sets of shocks are set up with way too much preload and/or springs that are too stiff for the front of that light 2wd buggy. You are dropping it, and it's hardly using any of the suspension travel. I wish i could show you how light the springs on the front of my dt02 dt03 are, they allow the front wheels to really move, over, light corrugated road surfaces.
And obviously, lighter springs means thinner oil and visa versa.
I must admit, the factory dt03 shocks are very good, but so are my 3racing ones with a bit of fiddling.
I do like that racing further in blue, but i have so many blue Tamiya already, so the factory orange is a nice contrast in my shelf.
Hi Pete! Sometimes I have no clue what I’m doing, especially when filming. And I can’t remember which shocks that where bouncing too quickly (forgive me, too many cars and shocks and videos). Well, one thing about the springs: I’ve found that hitting the sweet spot is quite hard when considering the ride height and the motor acceleration compression too (especially on these rear motor mounted 2WD). They easily get’s too soft, and you will end up with a ridiculous off road ride height in the rear. That’s why I usually ride with more pre-load in the rear. For the ride height. But yeah, you should see my DT-02 MS shocks in the front. Always soft oil and the softest springs.
And yeah, I got too obsessed with the PS-16 at one point so it’s nice with some orange ☺️
If you got a recipe for the 3Racing shocks I would love to hear it. I think everything is bad compared to the Tamiya ones. Bad hard long springs, bad quality fitting and metal, and I’ve heard they leak with use. So bad quality rubber too.
So glad I watched this video because I've just ordered a Racing Fighter kit and chose a metallic blue paint (Absima not Tamiya though) for the body so I now have some idea of just how great it can look when finished. Did you back the paint with another colour or is it just several coats of the blue? It really does look so much nicer than the box art orange (yuck!) colour. 👍
Hi Nick! It’s a quick one color paint job with no backing. But the metallic blue looks great too with white backing. A little brighter. But I like the darker one color too.
@@NordicRC Thanks for your reply. I will try the one colour approach myself then. I've had to wait a week before I could start the build. Silly me forgot to order the steel pinion gear.
Great experiment with the shocks! I had some upgrades to the DT-03 on my list of winter jobs but think I will use the funds elsewhere and just us the kit CVAs now! Great video as always 🙌🏻👍🏻
Yeah! Of the four sets I tried, without tinkering with them, the included CVA’s from the kit worked the best 😊
Is there a part number to buy the standard cva shocks? I have Holiday buggy I want to use them with. Thank you and I enjoy your videos.
Yeah, they can be bought separately. I would have to Google the part number too 🙂 And thank you very much for the nice feedback
@@NordicRC I think I found them if you can confirm. TAMIYA 54567 are the plastic ones. Do you know the difference between the tamiya 54993 vs 53926 aluminum bodies? They both say they are for the DF-03.
@@NordicRC If I may bother you again. Those alloy turnbuckles with the blue accents would they be able to work on the DT02?
Bro, you didn't even try to tune the other shocks. Don't get me wrong, the Tamiya shocks almost certainly are the best out of the bunch, but chance are you could get the others working damn near as good with a little tuning.
Yeah. Well, the video isn't really about tuning :-)
Hi there,now that’s what I call the A to Z of shocks, managing, maintaining and setting up those all important shocks and what to look for, excellent video, that no doubt will be reviewed many times by beginners and experienced modellers to come. Take care, keep well and all the best. 😊😉😊
Hi John. I hope people can use the tests and assembly tests. The stock ones was the best though 😅
And all the best to you too!
Tamiya 53832
Shocks so many options, sometimes stock is the best 👊🏻👍🏻
The stock set up definitely the best. The MS shocks could easily be adjusted though, with oil, pistons and springs. But that’s for another project.
Hmmmmm, I guess sometimes the stock ones are the best option! Nice work Mikael!👍😊
Hi Jeremy. Yeah, stock ones for the win 😅😀
Try some 600 oil in those MS rear shocks. And i wonder how those Yeah Racing shocks would have worked with those white Tamiya springs?🤔
Yeah, maybe bleed it, thicker oil or/and two-hole pistons. It will be good. But this video was just about the stock set up 😊
The 3Racing shocks? Yeah, tried it off camera. They do not fit completely. Slightly different diameter than Tamiya.
@@NordicRC aha. Great videos btw😊👍 Hop’ing up a Neo fighter my self at the time. So your videos is quite helpfull for me👍
@Jess depends on holes in piston inside the damper too😉
Thicker oil in the rear??
Yeah. Or bleed them more.
And what about "Xtra-Speed" dampers ?
Say what?
The 3 racing shocks didnt look so bad!
Have you not tried some thicker shock oil and maybe just slightly softer springs in front? That probably would do the trick.
You know, shocks need to be tuned not bought perfect out of the box 🤷♂️
It really seems that you don't know how to build and tune shocks.
Sorry when I'm blunt, but it really seems so .
No you are wrong. If a shock is labeled from the manufacturer as an upgrade for a DT-03 (or others) it should be tuned from the factory for at least all round running. Not hard as stone and totally useless for any surface. Afterwards one can tune it for a specific purpose if one likes. But yeah, I had it working after replacing almost every part except for the body, ha ha. Let’s see if all the youngsters buying ‘DT-03 upgrade shocks’ are ready for that, do you think? Gosh
is it weird to watch this then watch ronnie Coleman vids.?
Dt03 has a longer wheelbase that could be why it works funny with it.
Ahh. Don’t think it matters much. Same gear box, suspension and weight. Got another comment that it might be the oil. Too much oil because the pistons wasn’t pressed all the way in.
The standard shocks with no oil 2:05 are really, really bad, many cheap china friction shocks are much better, if there is no oil there atleast needs to be some friction
I agree completely. As worse as it gets. To be fair to Tamiya, it’s not the exact right combo from factory. Different springs. So maybe a bit more springy than it came with. But Tamiya definitely has a habit of calling a set of springs attached to the suspension for ‘friction shocks’ when they actually have no friction and really no dampening. Not at all ‘shocks’ but just springs. Sometimes Tamiya makes good friction shocks though, but the ones on the DT-02 is nothing more than springs 😊