2 ALARM STRUCTURE FIRE Jackson New Jersey 6/14/22
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- OC - Jackson - 2 Alarm - 7 Toshi Ct. - Strucure Fire
At 6:45 PM Jackson got a call for a possible structure fire, it was quickly upgraded to a working garage fire "Fully Involved". First due engine was 5411 and they pulled a 2.5 and attacked the main body of fire with tank water while they worked on a water supply. The fire burned for about 30-45 mins with heavy fire finally breaking the roof line at the end. The cause of the fire is unknown. The final lay in was anywhere from 1500-2000ft to the hydrant seems like they did suffers some water pressure issues.
Responded to the scene.
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That had to be frustrating. The only question I have is why was so much time devoted to a single hose fight? They had it fairly contained at one point, or so it seemed. Why did they wait so long to deploy the ladder? Seems to me that the crew should have deployed the ladder as soon as the engine arrived on seen and had it really to throw water. I am not a fireman, but I am puzzled.
Water supply would be my best guess. If you listen to the radio chatter there is lots of back and forth about finding the next available hydrant, which when you read the description it says the closest one they had already hooked was almost 2000 ft away. That single hydrant, with that much distance is only going to supply so much (you can see the supply struggles on that 2.5 line around the 14 min mark) . I don't know the specs of that ladder truck, but if its anything like the one we have, it might have a 500 gal water tank on board. Our ladder has a 2000 gpm pump, and if memory serves puts out around 1400 gpm through the main gun (I could be off on that but I think that's about right). That means you maybe have 20 seconds before that tank is bone dry and your ladder truck turns into a paper weight until you can get a good steady supply line to it.
@@jminc That's why where I live the county and city departments regularly train on relay pumping. It's not needed very often, but it's good to be able to do. They recently had a large scale training on a new section of road, where they had nine (I think) engines from different departments relay pump over one mile.
@@jminc I’m amazed these neighborhood hydrants are so far apart.
@@mindyschocolate those rural areas are few and far between.
@@tamarahaislip1730 Jackson, NJ is not really rural. No reason for them to not have good coverage.
I hate to criticize fellow firefighters volunteer or paid. Why ignore the car fire , they let it be a continuous source of ignition to the structure and danger to them.
Good placement of the ladder truck. The 2 firefighters on the 2 1/2 had no clue as evident of ignoring the car fire, they were not systematic in their suppression of the fire.
We hate to criticize you....but we will. Nicely said.
The car had nothing to do with the fire continuing
I thought they wasted too much time on the car and should have focused more on the garage roof with what they had to prevent it from getting into the attic and home.
@@virgilhilts3924 You have no clue what you are talking about
@@mikel9567
Triggered much? 🤣😂😅
They had it knocked down initially...and bought themselves some time...but they didn't seem to take advantage of it. They weren't aggressive enough on getting water into the attic spaces to stop it from flaring up there. Then they allowed the car to continue to act as a fire source as well...a crew could have knocked the car fire out quickly. 🤦
Cuz no one had air packs on they pushed fire in house
@@joeburros4878 pushing fire into a structure is a myth
@@joeburros4878 DId you even hear of smoke eaters, thats what we were on my company. We went in right away no matter about Scott packs on our backs yet, bullshit.
You have no clue what youre talking about
@@virgilhilts3924 I believe you have no idea what you are talking about, I spent a number of years in the fire service and as an officer as well.
Never saw that amount of men and equipment take so long to put a house fire out. Hopeless.
And ... they drove apparatus over the neighbor's property likely breaking the underground utilities. Urban emergency apparatus need to stay on road\street\highway. They can get stuck-placing them out of service {while awaiting king kong tow truck}, or fall over due to soft substructure {underground springs, voles' tunnels etc}.
Your apparatus are expensive take care of them, use them wisely.
@@henrythompson8582 Not sure where you saw fire apparatus parked in the yard?
@@dylanzeigler6481
¿Where you see parked?
@@henrythompson8582 ¿no habla ingles ahora?
Jesus.. It took 16 minutes to get a second source of water on that fire. That single line was fighting a losing battle
Not even an interior attempt; really amateurish fire fighting here.
@@549BR do you think a tender/tanker would help?
Yes painful to watch!
@@John_Montefalco that is a tender sitting at the end of the driveway.
@@John_Montefalco The attack engine was a tanker.
Good job Ryan, these guys can learn so from your videos.
Yea like wear your gear when ur at structure fire No air packs and pushing fire into bldg
@@joeburros4878 You CAN'T push fire.
Impressive 17 minutes before the ladder company actually attacks the fire in the attic.Wow!
I so sympathize with the owners. What a devastating thing to have happen to you.
Especially considering the FD allowed it to catch fire AGAIN and do MORE damage
Good job Ryan. Man what a beautiful home, what a shame...
There are no words! Only prayers sent to the homeowners.
Everyone goes home, but the homeowner
Joe Biden needs prayers
The only fire dept not running to the fire hahaha saving the foundation
This fire department needs training and a chief who knows how to knock out a fire. The firemen walked around this fire like it was a cookout. Enough was said in comments, why repeat it. They couldn't even handle the car fire . Did you see the response time before that ladder truck shot a drop of water out of it?
Volunteer fire department doing the best they can. Until you have done the job yourself. Keep your unintelligent comments to yourself lol
@@dylanosgood123 I was in an occupation that many can't do. Keep your comments in your tissue box. I go by what I see and the video proves it. I call it as I see it. Volunteer or not, it's a job you need to practice over and over again or you can die. Volunteer or not, you should be held to the same standards as a paid fireman. I guess all the other comments are wrong also?
You have no clue what youre talking about
@@virgilhilts3924 Of course I don't IN your mind. I guess all the majority of the comments don't know either correct or you didn't bother to read. That fire was fought incorrectly. That vehicle next to them also burned and was a threat to hurting those fire fighters.
@@dylanosgood123 Their "best" isn't cutting it. Using being a volunteer as some sort of crutch is not acceptable.
what a cluster fu k
Amazing. Twenty firemen standing around and 2 fighting the fire. Was there any management of this fire?
Exactly
Yeah, I though they had it knocked down,then the car lit again,
They were clearly struggling with water problems, not much they can do with empty hoses
Absolutely right, and did you notice how they could have saved the owners car but they simply ignored it and let it catch fire, and it was a fire that worsened the situation. Absolute amateurs if you ask me. They could easily have prevented the fire spreading to the car.
@@STHFGDBY yeah ,you’re so right , my same thoughts, was that their first fire? Come on 🙄 ,they just let it spread to the rest of the house, when they could have use the water they had at first, he was spraying water where their was no fire over the house😲 we would have knock that fire down quickly .
Wow, where to start. So many great points that people have already made as I was reading them. I would really like to know the actual time line, like a start clock from the 911 call to when he started filming and any possible edits. Another great video that you got. Keep up the good work.
Nothing like Solar Panels to keep you from getting to the roof to fight the fire!
Thoughts are with the victim(s) of this devastating fire. This definitely should be a wake-up call for this fire department to better train on how to better extinguish a fire.
But side note, I’m glad the neighbors next door didn’t have anywhere to go, since the ladder truck has them blocked in.
I really wish people like you could be permanently banned from watching and commenting on fire videos!
Good thing they sent a tanker first, they had a helluva water supply issue. The tanker bought them some time until they got water. Perfect example of the benefits of a single axle shorter wheelbase ladder truck. Ladder driver got in that driveway easily, not happening with a massive tower ladder. Tough fire to fight with a difficult water supply. Good video!!! No drone?
A sensible analysis?!?! This cant be CZcams. I would of also liked to see the drone footage of the house.
That driveway would have been just as easy with a “massive” tower ladder.
The problem is not the size of the apparatus, it’s letting members operate apparatus that are too big for their driving abilities.
It would've been quicker if the driver of the ladder truck drove straight into the driveway instead of backing in.
Wolfgang548,
It doesn't matter either way, they didn't use the ladder for elevated ventilation or fire suppression for a long time. As a retired Truck Co. Engineer, this was my job to place the piece, unless instructed by a higher ranking officer on scene. Our ladder was all manual, (screw Jack's,) but in less than 3-5 minutes I could place my truck, have it set up, and my vent crew moving up the ladder to vent a roof.
This is what good training accomplishes.
We use to train for hours on basic fire hydrant hookups, truck placement, driving training. (Our town was comprised of old mills narrow streets, and other side of town was big houses like this video.
Beautiful scenery. Much love from SE.
What an incompetent on scene management. Crazy! 2 fire fighters with water supply. Fire gets out of control. The ladder swifels around clueless and starts putting water on when the flames are through the roof!
Big time supply issues. The LDH was at least able to hold it for a time but watching that ladder dribble piss out the tip was disheartening. Also I head on radio that a unit didn't know where another hydrant was. NOT a good look!
Today computer with visual and map information exists. So the computer program can navigate you to the next (good) fire hydrant if the local firefighters do not known the position. Specially if the place more rural than it is possible - we all only human and make mistakes.
I do not understand why the firefighters near the fire not wear breathing devices. If they can not put on all on the way to this fire why not do on way from fire apparatus to the fire? Fire chiefs have a build-in GOD-mode, this typical around the world - they are a bad example ... but normal firefighters?
I think too that after the first water supply line finished they need a second one from an other fire hydrant or tanker. It is easy to forget how many water do you need at place, specially every foot water hose hold back water what you need at fire place. It is again one other human mistake.
Training and knowledge need time and the own will of every fire fighter from the local place. Do you can cut a slice the pizza from the U.S.A. military knowledge - and put it into the firefighting part. I give everybody of them credits - then we not know near nothing about the exact situation. No map picture, not how many tools (human resources, fire apparatus, structures) they have, can use or order from near, nor the typical one-man-show (in typical military structure countries the fire apparatus follow a chain line (mostly 4 till 6 vehicle together)) we see here, or the other sides of the house or place. The real life is not a one-horn horse farm place.
According to their site, they have a 4000G tanker and an 8500G tanker. So water should not be an issue here.
Great video and coverage of the fire
It sucks not having enough water for a knock down. It took some time to set up a good water supply. When they got water, and a bed pipe going, they put a good knock on it. Been there done that. 30 years as a volunteer with a lot of my first due in the sticks, I feel their pain. You do a great job, keep catching the good ones. God Bless...
Yes, that fire engine tank feels like it only last seconds. The hydrant must have been quite a distance away?
@@teamidris I might be wrong but I think it was over 1,000 ft away. That's a long way and more hose than they have so I'm sure they had to relay a lot.
Tankers needed
@@theroachden6195 plus water pressure that time of day.. pipes 6,8, 12 inches mains from street
@@johngoglia6981 Nothing larger than 6" in NJ. Cookiecutter developments.
They lost that place interior should of gotten that knocked down and they should of put the car fire out as well early on that just added to the heat in the structure
Just think what a hero you could be if your Lazy Boy could fly....and you could actually go to the fire scenes and take over. Just awesome. Your Lazy Boy thanks you for your service. (Less farts would be nice tho.)
They definitely need more hydrants in that area and around that area. Holy crap
What did the video say, 2000 feet lay. Even a supply line will suffer friction loss over that length. Hate to have to retrieve and bed 2000 feet if 6" hose😳
And You wouldn't believe how high the Taxes are there!
who approves these developments without considering fire hydrants??
Thanks for the video! Great videoing of fire suppression activities!
Wish they had focused on the garage and car first...I know they were trying to save the house but it might have helped. I admire the people who take on this incredibly difficult job.
Enter the house and head toward the garage, try to keep the fire to the garage. Ask your self what's more important, what's in the garage, or the contents in your home?
@@stevehamman4465 The fire spread from the garage...contain it.
Punch a hole with a Fireman’s 🪓 axe, I think they had one, in the middle of the garage door aluminum or mild steel panel and let loose a hose all around instead out come the Stijl saws looking to extract a car while providing air draft to feed the fire…
I certainly hope this video served as a Training Tool as to what NOT to do and what to do…. Sad the owner was having cardiac arrest watching as manuals were pulled out to be referenced, Step 1 find hydrant Step 2 NO hydrant Step 3 Cut Garage Door open Step 4 disregard car burning in lane way …. Did anyone order a Pizza?? Who ordered the Pizza?
wow, an example of a mission that went very badly
It's called a water tanker, you ever heard of those in the big city?
We put out fires daily with no water supply (hydrants).
And if you had quick attack and /or brush trucks you could put a fast stop or slow to some of these fires.
Its called actual firefighting experience... something you clearly do not have
May as well have pissed on it for all the good the firemen did. Strolling around like it was a steak on fire on a BBQ.
@@ozymandias7940
Why weren't you there to save the day?
@@virgilhilts3924 Nobody called me.
@@ozymandias7940
A know it all like you should have known about it and raced there to save the day...YOU FAILED
Great footage I hope they can rebuild.
well hello there folks from Ocean County Jackson Township. doesn't matter what it is you guys done it the best job you could I always believed in you guys volunteer number one I believe I don't know if they're still called that back then. my last name is Peake what I hear is change but it used to be called Brookwood one.
if anybody remembers me and basically my brother Alfred Jr he passed away in 2005
I don't know what was going on there but I think it could have been a little bit better.
WOW, Glad I don't live in Jackson , NJ !
My 2yr old loves firefighting videos lately (future firefighter or arsonist?🤪) but after this video he said something so sweet. He said, “it’s okay. They need a hammer. Hammer can fix it!”
In case the homeowner sees this… just thought his we-can-do-it attitude would be appreciated. ❤
Nice houses, nice area. Oops no fire hydrants.
Using a water can / fire extinguisher on the car fire when you had a line right there? Doesn't make any sense to me.
Obviously, a major water supply problem; all the fancy trucks and turn out suits, but no one seems knowledgeable about fire fighting.
Hey I heard they are looking for volunteers, may step up and train them lol
@@rickcalkins1215 retired firefighter here -also state instructor -as the soy brigade took over and the participation trophy mentality took over , we were not allowed to fail students -- some people are un teachable and have no business in the fire service
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Great Job BTW!!
Thank you for your content.
Former vol. FF/EMT from the Northern part of PRNJ
(“People’s Republic of NJ”) 🤣
Cancel the prior drone comment.
I just watched your other content. What are you using?
Great stuff btw!
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I wonder if the fire started via the solar panel system? I am not saying that it did but there were issues with some earlier solar panels that were widely used and there was as well issues with mismatched (MC4)dc electrical connectors which I think is still an issue. Although those solar panels in this video look like newer models. Does anyone know?
God bless them for their efforts, but if I lived there, I'd move.
So sad to see a beautiful home go up in smoke! Jackson,, NJ is a very rich town and to not have closer hydrants is a town and developer problem. I always thought hydrants were to be only 500-750' apart, not over 1,000' or more apart.
Lot of places still have well water. My house did in Toms River. Closest hydrant was 1\2 me away.
Prayers up for the family of this home
Fire the Chief
@@fredgreil6110the department is volunteer.
This is some of the worst firefighting I think I've ever witnessed on CZcams. Absolutely no fucking water? 1 ladder truck sits there for minutes and then line crews water diminishes? Come on man... your cannot fight fire without water
I can't watch any more of these channels .The lack of URGENCY!! JUST REALLY INFURIATING!!!
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Finally at 11:49 someone mentions ventilation. They had a good knock on it when truck arrived, truck co. should have vented as close to the actual fire as safety possible as soon as they got on scene. Then got more aggressive on their interior attack. Command should have established a water supply officer. However it seemed as manpower was a problem in the critical stage, as it is most everywhere. In my opinion as a retired deputy chief that job was manageable. I’m not commenting on their performance, that’s not fair because I wasn’t there, there is more going on than in the video as always.
Solar panels Above the garage can hem that up but I'm with you. Shitty performance
The same crew had 8 rekindle on a car fire This fd is a joke
I was about to say the same.. No ventilation whatsoever until mentioned after the 11 minute mark by the chief. They should have opened up that roof in a couple of spots right off the bat... Unbelievable.
You have to get in front of the fire always. If not you just push it through the entire attic every time.
@@douglastuten5340 gotta wonder if they were pulling ceilings down looking for attic extension, or just hitting room and contents fire where they found it
Sometimes I wonder why the fire department or anybody for that matter can't quickly put a chain on the car and drag it back away from the fire so the car doesn't become a part of the fire.
Don't care if it gets up not theirs.
You can, it’s done all the time. This was a joke!
The priority is to save the structure and anyone living that is inside, not to save a 10K car! They don't have the equipment to quickly drag a car away!
@@bettysmith4527 The reason I ask is because the car burning seems to add more fuel to the fire to the house itself.
@@bettysmith4527 Yes, they sure did! The “Chief” drove up in it!
Well, if New Jersey uses the NFPA codes then the local AHJ (Fire Marshal or what ever they are called in that area) could absolutely require sprinklers here if a hydrant issue exists, as it appears is the case. Then again, one would think said AHJ would have made sure of sufficient hydrant coverage before allowing this to be built in the first place. And before someone jumps all over this post, I'm retired after 30 years in the fire service, the last 6 as a Fire Marshal.
You must have never heard of corruption and pay offs?
No hydrants in our area of unincorporated development with community water systems.
Mr. Martin, you're not wrong.
12 minutes to get water up on the aerial unit. Abysmal!
In our Brigade training any structure fire we have minimum 2 lines 2 lengths of 38mm to start with then go for more hoses if needed. Maybe sometimes we have a 65mm branched out with 2 38mm depends on fire.These guys had no idea. So we could have 1 on the house and the other on the car. why would you let the car burn for so long.put it out then fight other parts of fire
In hindsight, could the car have been pushed or dragged out of the way? It seemed to be adding a lot of fuel to the fire.
No neighbors have a f150 to yank drag light car 30 feet back? It’s not like the FD rigs used the driveway so there was ample time....
@@petedavidson6931 Does that look like a F150 type of neighborhood? lol
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I can understand the water supply issue but at the same time you had a truck company there that could have already been venting the roof before the water supply was established.
I see a big lack of focus on the problem. The car is left to burn, the first line is spraying in the wrong area while the fire is caught in the garage and spreading.
Yeah. Why didn't someone move the car before it seriously caught on fire?
@@19irving simply why did they not put a smaller line on it to prevent it's fire from entering the garage? Just one or two minutes of effort would have put out that source of fire. The lack of water supply or not having a tanker available is awful.
I see that you have no clue what you are talking about... so common in these threads
How sad was that to see. The fire response was horrible, could it had been any worst. If you live in Jackson NJ don't be surprised if your homeowners insurance gets cancelled. This was unacceptable.
I have to disagree they got the fire stopped before it took the home. It looked like it was going to be alot worst than it turned out to be. Great job guys way to battle and get that fire stopped
i live in a unincorporated section.. my fire rates are based on the distance from the hydrant.
We always say, if you need the sheriff, better have a gun, if your house is on fire, its a total loss. Volunteers, bless their hearts, take a little more time to get there.
God bless those honda's. I had one for 20 years.. never did it give up the fight. it just ran and ran.... perfect example... unstoppable fire
What a cluster. That fire never should have spread like that. It looked like ineffective suppression and extinguishment to me.
One 2.5?!?!?! The ET has a stang gun. WHY DONT DEPARTMWNTS USE BLITZ ATTACKS ANYMORE? Fire would been controlled but instead, stand around and wait. These departments were once extremely aggressive and well lead. Now, this new generation has nonclue and its the former firefighters fault. Wth happened to firefighting???? Is it all about cool looking trucks and chiefs buggies????
As a retired firefighter/engineer I find this response a bit lacking. The department didn’t seem to have much of information on hydrants, and no tankers enroute?
what im sayin 1 hose line and nobody doin shit really
With all due respect, Ortego, this dept. looks like the 3 stooges. Absolute clown show. From the chief and ladder all over the neighbors lawn, no hydrant maps, nobody cares about the car that could explode at any second. Using a single hose. Chief should have to answer for this. Imagine the insurance company seeing this. I've never done a day in the academy but even I know this much.
This was painful to watch. Just piss poor training all around.
Nice nimble ladder, but a waste, it wasn't utilized for ventilation or elevated water platform in a timely manner.
@@dubzytse710 yes, that was crazy, 1 hose 20 guys doing shit .
Iam so pleased that the fire service in the uk is far superior to what I have seen in the US.There is just no urgency.
Truss construction? I like being aggressive as much as anyone but fire in the attic space with the amount of fire it appears could very likely mean the roof is compromised and waiting for that Firefighter to crawl under it. Not to mention it appears the staffing, when a more aggressive attack might have been warranted was not possible due to numbers. Nice job pulling a big line to start
That mangled garage door on the left make me think it might have started with an explosion. The two small explosions after the firefighters were there, tends to make me more confident in that assessment. What caused the explosion is the next question.
The two small explosions were most likely from aerosol cans overheating and blowing out. Happens all the time with a fire in the garage.
Actually, the explosions were the front shock absorbers popping from the heat. Quite common in car fires.
@@bobvidoni5898 Do you think it was the bumper shocks or maybe an air bag? That thing flew pretty far, it's lucky nobody was in the way.
@@stephenhanneken3041 I am very well aware of explosions of aerosol cans in a fire. I just watched dozens of aerosol can explosions videos, both individual explosions and mass explosions of a tractor trailer carrying a whole load of cans. NONE of them put out the smoke that was seen in the second explosion. Unfortunately because of where the camera was focused at that second, the actual explosion could not be seen. They result in pure flames. Something exploded in the garage, but I don’t think it was a garden variety aerosol can. A case of aerosol cans close to the garage door could conceivably cause the damage to the garage door visible. But what would have set it off? It doesn’t require fire to make an aerosol can explode, but it does require excessive heat over 120 degrees F. That would make having aerosol cans outside of air conditioned air in places like Phoenix, Arizona dangerous.
As far as the shock absorbers is concerned, you imply exploding shock absorbers are a KNOWN danger of car fires. I have seen videos of car fires where the shock absorbers have exploded and they seem to have been much louder, so it is, indeed, a known danger. If that object had gone a different direction, it could have caused serious injuries to one or both firefighters. Given that, why would firefighters be that close to a known danger? Why wasn’t there a greater effort to extinguish the fire in the car to prevent a known danger? Firefighters are known to take extreme precautions in the presence of known dangers. Like ammunition “cooking off” in a fire. It is extremely rare for an exploding bullet to have the velocity required to cause serious injury, but injury from exploding ammo has been documented. If ammo starts going off in a fire, firefighters withdraw to a safer distance and stay there until the sound of exploding ammo has ended as far as can be determined. Nowadays, civilians even have access to smoke grenades and flash bangs.
I was surprised to see the ladder drive over. The supply line. In my day you did not do that. Different materials now?
Nope that suprised me too. The Chief ran over it too. That's a big no no at my FD. This was just a trainwreck from the beginning. Need a lot more training.
That’s never been permitted in my department.
They would have real problems if their only supply line burst.
I thought the supply line was flat/ not charged.
@@peterwilliams7145 i believe it was flat as well
I also thought driving over it was wrong, even if it was flat.
Never seen grass with this beautiful colour before
It is a nice shade of green!
Great video
Fine example of organized chaos, with a bad ending. I truly feel for that family and the community as a whole with a FD like that.
No worries, there will be some "pro" firefighter chiming in here to make excuses for them.
@@jdaz5462 Usually is...The rule of the Thin Red Line: "Never criticize 'brothers', never let others criticize brothers, and always say 'Good Job' even if it's a SH!TTY job.
Disgraceful!!! Non aggressive fire attack caused greater loss.
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That excident the fire I. The house I hope everything is oky
Are these fire companies equipted with tankers and portable pools. If not, it should be considered. In my department one engine carries 1500 ft of 5 inch and we routinely reverse lay with an engine at the hydrant.
Flammables such as gasoline should be stored outside the dwelling, if possible. If it is not possible they should be stored in fire department approved cannisters away from sparks and heat. Sounds like common sense, but sometimes folks can be forgetful and careless. Not saying that this was the case in this fire. Hope all involved in this fire are safe and sound.
I've always been opposed to sprinklers in residential. Too many chances for false alarms and then everything gets ruined. But sprinklers in garages seem like a good option. Gasoline, chemicals, aerosols, paint, grease, cars, etc.
HOLY MOLY !!! Where to start?? Poor placement by the arriving engine. Should’ve pulled in the drive way like the tower, WITHOUT DRIVING OVER THE FREAKING 5”!! Could’ve had multiple handlines inside that structure instead of pushing the fire into it for 10 minutes. No scba’s! Car just burning in the driveway, air bag blows/burns out @ around 9:00 and then THE TIRE BLOWS UP. No interior attack for 10 minutes?!?! CARS STILL ON FIRE!!!!! …AMAZING 🤦🏻♂️ I wish there was something good i could say about this.
Yeap you’re so very right RJ, 👍🏽we see the same things, I wish they had done better than that..😲
It was in the attic. They had a water problem and experienced manpower. No chance unless you vent and get it from inside with proper water access. They build these neighborhoods without proper fire ratio of hydrants maintaining adequate water pressures.
I did not see any line into the house. How they going to get the attic from the outside. Wait till it vents itself?
What a beautiful home! I don't know the cause of the fire, but I know people are starting to store gasoline in their garages. Please be very careful. This could be the result.
Where should we store our gasoline? Serious question.
@@suemcnellis6107 In your car's gas tank and no where else.
Sue Mcnellis Shed away from house.
Gasoline in a proper container cannot CAUSE a fire. It can certainly add to the problems once one is going. Radiant heat won’t make it explode. It can compromise the integrity of the container. There must be fumes and an ignition source. I have been keeping gasoline in my garage in every house I have had in the last 50 years. All of them were attached garages. I never had a shed to put it in.
I know people without sheds who just store it outdoors in proper containers under bushes to avoid the sun.
The whole thing seemed to be in slow motion, no sense of urgency. Couldn’t the car at least have been saved?
No it couldn’t of.
the US building materials seem to be unsavable...after watching some of these reports, it seems to me, they are focussed on life rescue, neighbour protection and a controlled burning.
Our german fire departments also look to save the building, especially theold ones, built with stone walls, who often are reconstructed.
Cars would be the first to pull away...
perhaps there are different assurance conditions...🤔
Looked like it was already on fire at the start of this video.
It has to be slow because if they use too much water they might run out.
Some one explains why the ladder truck was there .after 16 minutes it swung into position. An still no water . An then FINALLY .DAMN
That’s a beautiful aerial ladder with muscles on it are we gonna put water through it.
Great Video and Beautiful home.
Did this fire start because the car outside or one in the garage catch fire?
THANKS MAN!!
Garage extended to the car
@@jerseyshorefireresponse Thanks Man.
Do you know what started this? Sorry to be a pest!!
Surprised such a large, expensive, new-construction home was not sprinklered when it was recently built. May have helped suppress until FD was able to get good water supply for all equipment, including the Ladder. A pond on the large property to draft from might have helped too. 💙
most new construction homes are not sprinkled, this wasn't large or expensive, well this up north soooooo, lol..........ok
Exactly
Unfortunately, not always required everywhere. I would surely want to have sprinklers, and fire blocks in attic sections, so it can't easily extend all across the whole attic/cockloft. But all that costs extra, and some developers may not even offer it if not required, nor do they always tell buyers it is a good option to consider. A lot of people never think of any of this stuff.
What? Residential construction does NOT require sprinklers. NOT one home, new construction in NJ is sprinkled. Have you been an American for long? Sprinklers. That's funny
@@mtvjackass74 In CA , all of our new construction is required to have sprinklers. If you notice there is a lot of damage to the side of the house. Heard a fireman say solar panels. Could be that or many fires being caused by Smart Meters, especially in. Canada
16 and 1/2 minutes to get the ladder truck working. That's a disgrace
What is going on about the water pressure a lot of these states for some reason I haven't low water pressure to help put out these fires
The pumper should be able to supply 2 hose lines or more. Think about putting car out. Need to do another size up on building for fire spead.
such incompatent fire dept wow they let that fire get out of hand i feel bad for the home owner glad i live in the where we have well trained fire dept L.A.F.D. and Compton fire dept
I live in STP. Minnesota, very glad I got a real fire dept.!!!
There is not one hydrant in our community of 2500 people
Great video as usual! Looks like it may have started at the electric meter. Why doesn't every rural fire truck pull a trailer with thousands of gallons of water with it?
They said the home had solar panels on the roof. Likely a cobbled together amateur "electrician" tied into the breaker which cobbled to the meter.
This is NOT a “great video”! Someone just lost their home and belongings!!!
In over 20 years in the business, I have never seen and Engine or a Ladder run over a supply line lol!!
Did they extend that area letter just for practice or they’re going to actually put some water out of those nozzles
Chief here. I don’t like Monday morning quarterbacking, but I really didn’t see any direction either. There should have been an interior attack from the initial arrival, other than trying to give it a dash from the front. They didn’t get to the seat, so it had plenty of time to run the ceiling and into the attic of the house versus containing it to the garage. And the standing around…disturbing. I get that there was a RIT. But the chief called for ventilation…I didn’t see anyone go do it…there was a nice big ladder there to give them a part to do it… I’m at a loss☹️.
Apparently you didn’t like your own comment right from the first sentence.
You don’t like Monday morning quarterbacking, yet here you are, Monday morning quarterbacking. There was an interior attack from the initial arrival, you don’t see the lines stretching through that front door?
Firefighters could have towed the car backwards, away from the house.
This would have reduced the amount of flames that hit the house.
Greeting from France.
Im saying these fireman seem lazy and slow ..Not even close to being aggressive..
most rural depts. have a "brush truck" to deal with grass/brush fires far from a road. If these guys had brought their brush truck, they could have saved the ar.
CHAOS = Chief has arrived on scene
I have a few questions- 1)Why did the fire dept and other emergency vehicles park on neighbors grass? It appeared there was room to park on the street and still leave enough room for any additional emergency vehicles to pass through.2)IF the dept had had an issue with water supply could the home owners insurance company have a lawsuit against the dept or township since the home owners pay taxes? Curious. Thank you in advance.
I think that FDs should have equipment on call to tow/drag cars out of fires like this. The car burns and keeps the fire in the garage alive. If the car was pulled further out, it could burn without aggravating the house fire and could be properly attacked by FD separately
It's a plausible idea. But when the scene is hot, hooking a vehicle is difficult. Maybe if a Squad truck had a launched dart/grapple on a cable with winch. It's a thing cops have tried testing for police pursuits.
Something such as a chiefs vehicle…..
Actually, if you look, the fire in the car never affected the garage much, if at all. Garage was already well involved,
Definitely a water flow problem. I expect water had to be shuttled from quite a distance. Ashamed that looks like a very nice home. 😞
The roof opened up to let the ladder pump direct water to extinguish. Brilliant maneuver! The solar panels do not help.
Were they having water supply issues? So after watching the complete video I'm going to say that there were multiple issues at play and the ladder truck could not flow water.
Is a pig's ass pork?
In many fire videos, the start of extinguishing is really slow. This is due to the fire hydrant system and its failure, or bad ways of working. In Europe and the Nordic countries, fire trucks have large water tanks and extinguishing foam for car fires. This achieves fast action, which is important to prevent the spread of fire. For example, we extinguish a car fire with foam in tens of seconds ... minutes. In America, the car is turned off three times and still it starts up again...🙂
Here in the states attorneys are lfiling class action suits for using the fire fighting foam. Everything causes a problem for someone but that is no reason the rest of us have to suffer. We have a hugh problem with fentanyl O.D. deaths now. This is as a result of pretty much banning the use of normal opioid medications because the idiots were getting high on that. I told my doctor it is the natural order of evolution. If you are stupid enough to do it and die we didn't need you in the gene pool anyway.
American fire engines carry WAY more water than European engines do. You clearly don't know what you're talking about.
@@ffjsb That certainly depends on the state, city, village. Based on the videos, there is no water in your fire trucks, all the water is taken from the fire hydrant system. There are, of course, tanker trucks to get water to places where there is no fire hydrant system. We typically have 5000L or 2500L and 250L of extinguishing foam in the fire truck.
@@RaimoLehtinen You CLEARLY don't know what you're talking about. American fire engines usually have 500 gallons at a MINIMUM, and that's generally in a city. More typically it's 750-1,000 gallons. And the first engine on the scene here is an engine-tanker, so it has at LEAST 2,000-2,500 gallons (7570-9464 liters) on board.
@@ffjsb In every American firefighting video on youtube...that I have seen...a fire truck arrives and the hoses are connected to the fire hydrant system. So I'm talking about what I've seen on youtube videos. Whether you have big tanks or not, it doesn't seem to help, fires don't go out quickly, usually everything burns and for a very long time. Methods, working methods, equipment, fire trucks with "giant" tanks ... in many cities they are very old-fashioned.
That stream that wide seems to be pushing a good amount of air with it
Could the solar cells on the roof be a contributing factor as why they didn't do a more aggressive attack? I know with our department we are cautioned to enter a building with solar panels because of the danger electrocuting ourselves as they might still carry power, depending on the location of the cut-off switch which was not really for a large time regulated in my area, and was often found in the attic with older solar installs.
No...it was a lackluster performance...the fire god won and shouldn't have...
I'm wondering if the solar panels or system are the cause of the fire.
Prayers for the family. Where in Jackson was this at?
Where all the Orthodox are taking over. Probably the house was being used as a small hotel, knowing them.
@@fp5495 only because I use to do lawncare work back In the day in that area
Seems like too many houses are lost to fires that originate in garage is which are built into that house.
They should be required to be built with a fire block system, to help prevent extension. Kinda like fire blocks between townhouses. Otherwise garages should be so many feet away from a house. But then they build so many of these houses right on top of eachother.
@@canislatrans8285 Minimum 1/2 inch sheetrock separation between living area and garage. If there is a habitable area above the garage minimum 5/8 type X sheetrock. This is separation and code. I built my home with 5/8 type X sheetrock on top of 3/4 plywood extending from the garage floor to the roof deck. 1 mile from a fire station and a hydrant in front of my house. I don’t lose sleep over a garage fire and my insurance company loves it.
You're homes are built to fail. All thise homes are, are shells that made someone very wealthy. This is what you get for wanting to have the biggest house. Anything built after 1980 is pure garbage and will burn to the ground within 5 minutes. NO hydrants either so....
Now you tell us. Nicely done.
Was a volunteer 90-2008. We NEVER lost a house in all my years. Kept it to room in content or a few rooms but never lost a home. Levitt homes were built to last. If you looked at the stats, my bet is that more homes built after 1980, are the ones that are 100% lost in first
Thanks!
The house next door to ours caught fire. The first thing my brother and I did was to move our cars. We share the driveway with our neighbors.
Just want to point out some observations with regard to the RIT.
If wheels are needed to move a basket litter full of equipment, the team is probably bringing too much equipment up to the scene.
Using information learned and prior knowledge while responding can help in deciding which equipment is necessary and what can be left on the rig.
A residential wood frame dwelling does not necessarily need a rotary saw(s) with abrasive blades.
If every member is carrying a hand tool, don’t put duplicate tools in the basket.
Lighten up the load and leave unnecessary equipment on the rig.
Anything the team decides would be necessary after reaching staging and performing their size up can also be borrowed from other apparatus closer to the scene.
Of the equipment that is brought up to the fire ground, it should be prepared for use. Each time the video shows the RIT, all the equipment is in the same place it was when the team arrived in staging….in the basket littler.
Nothing is ready for deployment.
The team should attempt to eliminate as many steps as possible that may become a problem or be forgotten in the event of an activation.
It would be beneficial to stage much closer to the building.
The RIT is supposed to be RAPID. The faster the team can enter and begin assisting the member(s) in distress, the greater the potential for a successful mission.
We can't believe you blew considerable time writing all of that...only to be read by a few people who may or may not agree with you and who may think you don't know what you are talking about. FYI...I didn't read it.... but thanks for posting.
You exemplify the axiom that every Fireboy thinks he knows more than the next. You people eat your own and that is very very odd.
@@RLTtizME how many fires have put out with your keyboard boy? Shut your pie hole and let the MEN deal with the fire!!! 20 year firefighter here son! Be a good boy and be QUIET.
Sad that you think you have a clue what you are talking about
@@virgilhilts3924 Is that all you know how to say or do you have anything constructive to contribute?