The Sony FX6 isnt for everyone. Heres why.
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- čas přidán 27. 06. 2021
- Ive cancelled my Sony FX6 order, heres a conversation discussing why and how the Sony Fx3 might be a better option for alot of people out there.
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Yoooo so I’m expecting vastly different opinions on this, so please watch the video before commenting your thoughts 🤙🏻
I went from an FX9 to an FX3. No regrets. The FX9 slowed me down quite a bit on most shoots so I started using my A7iii quite a lot on certain types of video projects, and often finding myself picking between high quality footage, or easy of use. FX3 is the perfect meeting of the two. It's got all the codecs and bit depth and resolution in the small body. It's really quite crazy.
Great discussion gents! A lot of useful insight here. Thanks for the info!
thanks for watching
I've had my FX6 for about two months now and I absolutely love it. I actually really like the fact that the FX6 barely weighs anything because you can easily throw it on a gimbal. If you have an external monitor on it the weight increase a lot too. I think the FX6 is a much better camera for commercial work and the FX3 might be a better option for run and gun, real estate and wedding shooters. I'd love to have IBIS but I don't think I can go back to non-internal ND filters.
Sometimes I think dealing with filters might be the thing I most hate about videography.
agreed, going to be different for everyones uses. Not saying the FX6 isnt a fantastic camera because it really is, just in the real world for run and gun as you say the fx3 might be better
@@chrisbrockhurst Completely agree with you! My plan is to replace my A7Riii with the A74 or a FX3 in the next little bit. I'd love some IBIS for certain filming situations.
@@Brian-ss2dp I HATE swithcing filters. Might be the most annoying thing in the world. I also cant stand X vignetting. It made switching lenses a lot more of a hassle and I would constantly try and use the same lens for shots.
@@SpencerStanley Me too. I am not sure why but I always feel annoyed. And yes, the vignetting can sneak up in post. I think the internal ND's are going to become increasingly more common, even with mid-range models. Maybe not in 3 years, but in 10, we might see some movement haha
Great conversation and insight! Josh is such a solid dude!
Thanks for the interesting debate.
I have the A7Siii and A1. Perfect pair for me. I have the K3M when I need it too. The A1 gives additional options that the A7Siii/FX3 doesn't have, such as Super35 crop if needed, lower second base ISO of 4000 (a sweet spot), fine adjustment of the shutter speed if filming LCD screens and such like, and of course 8K. And the beauty is it has virtually the same button placement and menu as the A7Siii, so feels the same camera to use. Plus the image matches too. The argument that the FX3 has better suited buttons is a moot point, as I customise the buttons how I want them anyway, and I never look at what the labels on the buttons say.
And to cap it all I love the EVF on both the A7Siii and the A1, I use it all the time for filming when outside, I'd hate to lose that.
Fantastic video CB, thank you very much! Such great use case feedback from you guys. I found the discussion so useful around the run and gun benefits of active stabilisation vs built in ND. I'm in your situation CB...now wishing I went for the FX3 instead of A7S3 so I could marry it with A74 for stills...May be selling to do just that!
thanks for sharing this Matt, exactly why Josh and I wanted to do this!
Thank you for such a clear and easy to understand comparison on the highlights of run and gun shooting ease of use.
I currently own the Fs7ii and a7siii. Shooting mostly commercial content I am still looking at either the FX9 or 6 but difference being that I work with location sound people fairly regularly where timecode and external monitoring are super important. Still a solid purchase in the fx3 for wedding and smaller content.
I honestly love the fx6, I've used the fs7 mostly my whole life so i'm used to having no image stabilization. I guess if you get used to shooting without it, it becomes super easy not to get camera shake
Great perspectives from both Chris and Josh; I'm glad they covered this. It sounded to me like their FX6 issues fall mainly into three categories - lack of IBIS, form factor to some extent, and the firmware.
I shoot corporates and real estate, so for me the FX6 nicely fills the former role and the A7S3 the latter. The FX6 has a client 'wow' factor that is easy for us gearheads to dismiss as nonsense since all three of these cameras have the same sensor. But when you're charging $$$$$ for a production, having a camera that looks the part is a small factor worthy of consideration. The FX6 not having touch tracking AF and some sort of in-body 3.5mm audio input are real head scratchers, but not deal-breakers for my use cases.
One weird thing I have noticed is that my FX6's Cinetone is slightly warmer than the A7S3 when balanced on the same target, so matching an a-cam/b-cam interview setup takes a little bit of work in post. I also generally prefer the A7S3 for b-roll for a reason not mentioned: it's subtle and looks like an ordinary camera so people just think you're shooting stills.
Anyway, just my ramblings as an owner/operator of the FX6 and A7S3. My advice: choose what fits your needs.
exactly! it sucks that the wow factor is still a thing but its so so true
The FX3 does have the manual focus override BTW - if you program a button to switch between auto/manual focus, and switch it to manual, and tap to focus it will override it, and as soon as it locks on whatever you tapped, it switched back to manual
this is good to know, thanks for sharing. Might make a good video.
Not sure if the FX3 is the same but on other Sony cameras you can use "AF/MF hold" rather than "toggle" and it will go back to MF after you release the button (if MF is the default). Also works in AF where you can hold MF in and then release to pull focus to AF.
Funny that I canceled my order this morning just before you uploaded your video. I already have an A7SIII which is a fantastic camera, I decided to pair it with an A1 and I think it makes more sense for my needs. I’ll definitely miss the built in NDs but the image stabilisation, the format and most importantly the photo features are a definite plus for me
Awesome discussion. I found the same on the FX6 with that screen it comes with. Too small and not bright enough, especially outdoors. Epic camera though. Best feature auto VND :D deffo checking out the FX3
Came to the same conclusion a month ago. Up until then the FX6 was my wet dream, thicking all the boxes… I think the variable ND held me in the longest.. Ordered the FX3 and focused on flexibility to go really small; fitting the small digital mic from sony along with stere wireless go from Rode - up to a rig with xlr and Ninja V monitoring, the small Sync-e timecode generator etc. Your video made me feel good about my own decissions. Thanks.
glad to hear it. The FX3 is a fantastic little video beast
Thanks for this video guys - Helped me to make a better informed decision!
I'm getting the FX3
I almost returned it but because I couldn't brake my habits form my other Sony cameras. I decided to learn it and stick to it and now It's hard for me to shoot with anything else. Especially because I learned out to shoot with Exposure Indexing which makes exposing a breeze. Basically I the only think I touch is my EVND. It kind of feel like cheating. I have the FX3 and A1 and I like how seamless shutter angle vs SS makes the process of shooting straight forward.
It is a different monster, and it does feel more cumbersome at first. But I agree it's not a camera for everyday shooting. The FX3 or A7SIII are the best bang for the sensor especially since you can achieve the same look with any of them.
Great video Chris.
Thanks for the video. What streamer app did you use?
I bought the a7siii when it came out. I’m keeping it in hopes that Sony will make some upgrades (though I’m doubtful at this point). However, that said, I’m planning to buy the FX3 after watching numerous CZcams reviews like yours. Keep it up! I’m 78 and still working and I like to keep things light.
Both are great, with advantages and disadvantages... I have the FX6.
For me, the FX6 is a much better camera as I need it for cinematic shots and I'm experienced in that regard.
And for run and gun/interview shots I'll use the 24-105, it's an amazing lens.
I can see how the FX3 would be a better camera for a lot of people. That's why we have options :)
options are good :)
See you soooooonnnn!
I've preordered mine right when it came out and it just never came. Cancelled it and got the FX3, and I've been loving it!
Fantastic review. Thank you, I'm considering a purchase so this helped a lot.
Great to hear!
very helpful. ...a concern i had w these newer 10bit cameras, can you hear the fan noise on the sony fx3? i shoot indoors in small spaces, and its not uncommon for the mic to be boomed 3 from the camera. would the fx3 fan noise be super noticeable?
Such a good conversation to listen to !!! Honestly I thought the FX3 is the perfect camera for a lot if situations and I cannot wait to get my hands on one in the future !!!
for run and gun its the best of both worlds
You usually grow as a film maker and advance over the years or even months, you end up getting jobs that pay well enough to pay rent but not even to rent the camera kit required for that said job.
So something I usually say to people is future proof your kit and camera purchases if you’re really pushing for something sustainable. Camera aside a proper lighting kit is key and really that should be the main focus which may mean.... not buying the fx6 😅.
You have to really think about. For me the variable ND is Worth its weight in gold and would always go for a camera with Built-in ND.
I can’t tell you how much times it has saved me. The auto ND is always a blessings walking from inside to out doors is easier as well.
To top this all off, if you’re really looking to get into it a Sony FS7 is a good way to go as well, the used ones are floating around at great prices.... I know 4K 120 is a biggy for a lot of you, but some trade offs are worth it a lot of the time.
great points Neal, thanks for sharing
Wasn’t interested in the FX3 at release but it kept calling to me. After being incredibly impressed with the a7siii for work, the FX3 is now my b-cam. Love it.
Snagged the last one after a smaller shop in NY got a few from Sony. Game changer in terms of usability standpoint with auto ND. No regrets.
the smaller shops seem to be where the stock is at
Interesting because I’m working on a documentary on sustainable farming also. 👍🏻 We use native prairie as buffers, planted on the highly erodible slopes and also spaced out in rows within the sloped crop fields to take the place of terraces. Iowa State University calls them STRIPS. We follow their model. We also plan on harvesting half of the prairie each year to be converted to compressed natural gas through anaerobic digestion. Leaving half for wildlife and pollinators.
I bought the Alpha One for myself and the FX3 for my dad (he paid for it though). 😉
I got the 100-400 GM for my dad for wildlife and the 28-135 cine lens for hunting and documentary use. Unfortunately I only have the 14-24 f/2.8 Sigma and the 200-600 Sony. If I like my dad’s cine lens I may buy one for myself. I’m wondering about the 24-105 though. Maybe that would fit my needs. Right now I’m leaning toward the cine lens.
the 24-105 is probably among the best choice of 'all in one' lenses because of built in OSS
@@chrisbrockhurst thanks for the reply. It’s telescopic though, isn’t it? Only telescopic lens I’ve ever owned was also the only lens I had to send in to be professionally cleaned.
Fx6 suited for every kind proffesional work, as for mysel it is working almost every day. Corporate interviews, live events ..etc. A7s mostly used as b cam and second angle.
I checked Josh's channel and thought he was also a filmmaker or gear geek, but so surprised to see that he is making gardening and farming videos. Cool!!!!!
yeh he was a super cool Channel!
Dude! I was planning on making a video about this same subject (cancelling my FX6 order)...and probably still will. You beat me to the punch though...lol.
great minds think alike
Very good points and this is very helpful for me. Thanks! How perfect would the FX3 be if it had NDs, even 2 stops? Also, I thought the FX6 stored gyroscopic data to use for post-stabilization.
Correct, you can use Catalyst Browse and works well.
yeh it stores gyro data, catalyst browse seems fantastic, just not for batches of clips. Its all manual one by one from my understanding
@@chrisbrockhurst Correct. That part of it is weak and hope Sony invests in improving the application as it has so much untapped potential.
Thanks guys for this review!
This really reassures me for the FX3, ESPECIALLY since I just bought the FX3 over the FX6 yesterday! Thanks, Chris !!
welcome :)
same here, I did the same
Depends on what you value. To me the EVF on the S3 is worth more than the xlr handle on the fx3. In run & gun situations im not using an xlr mic & I dont want to carry a big monitor to check exposure or comp. It all depends how u shoot
Great info... I also plan to sell my fx6. After using it for the last 4 months and having problems stabilizing clips in Catalyst Browse decided it is the wrong camera for me. You guys mentioned you sold your gear. What platform do use use to sell? What price can I expect for a new / lightly used fx6? Thanks Tim
based on availability now, if it doesn't have alot of hours and is in good condition you can probably sell it to very close what you paid for it. Gear Focus is a great choice or sell localll on craigslist/Facebook marketplace.
whats your email? I have a brand new fx3 un used in the box thinking of trading up>>
FX3 always has noise reduction enabled while you can turn it off in the FX6. That's the difference in image quality, plug-ins for NLEs do a much better than in-camera NR
I have FX6 and A7S3. I think they are different cameras. The FX6 is really not easy to shoot by hand. However, if your B camera is FX3 or A7S3, I don't think this is a problem. I always use A7S3 when I'm shooting hand-held. And the FX6 is mounted on a tripod. This combo gives me more flexibility. (But I may need to spend some time on matching their colors.)
By the way, I like the CineEI mode of the FX6. (Slog-3 mode) In this mode, you can only manually choose to switch between ISO800 and ISO12800. It won't run away. (I was driven crazy by the A7S3’ ISO10000😤) This can only be done with a built-in ND. To me, this is the only reason the FX6 is irreplaceable. If you don't care. I think you are free to choose between the three of them. Cuz I didn't notice any difference in picture quality. Good luck everyone! 😘
for sure, its going to be different for a lot of people. Thanks for sharing your experience
@@popartmediaPL You're really a gentleman.
@@popartmediaPL Thank you so much for being kind. When I reread my comment, I also felt that it was somewhat misleading. I accept all criticism of my unprofessional words and sentences. In order not to mislead more people, I will change my comment.
I want to clarify that I am also a learner. It means I make mistakes. So I beg you to be tolerant. I intended to help people as a gear owner. As you can see, even though I know I might make mistakes, I choose to help others because I know the pain of not being able to move on. The happiest thing is not to be omniscient but to stop improving.
There are no enemies here. People who have the same hobby should help each other and cherish each other.
Maybe I missed it, but I didn’t hear timecode mentioned. Timecode is everything to me. Cuts down sooo much time in post
tentacle sync man. Look it up. with money you save you build up a kit with the track-e included and all your problem will be solved.
@@roderikrotting7734 Got 4 of them
@@frannyfranman Ah great! so if just syncing different camera's and audio sources is your goal then there is no problem anymore right?
@@roderikrotting7734 Yeah for sure that’s what I’m saying. That’s why I can’t buy an A7SIII or FX3. They have great form factors and IBIS is awesome, but timecode and that internal ND are wayyy more important to me
In the uk the fx3 is on back order. I’m. 3 weeks in already.
Ok I’m not getting the fx6 anymore BUT I want to hear how he convinced you to buy the 50mm 1.2 even if the focus breathing issues.
haha another video in itself
@@chrisbrockhurst please do a video of this because the decision to get it or not keeps me up at night 😂
UPDATE: I bought the 50mm 1.2 and I LOVE it.
@@TheCinemaSultan I got it too pure beast!
Sold! I’m getting a second FX3. No more pre order of the FX6 🙌
you best use my link Josh. No excuses haha.
Great information and I like the idea of the FX3 but I really need something 100% reliable for an all day event under the hot Hawaiian sun 🌞 If I had the extra $4000 lying around I would definitely pick one up in a heartbeat, because god knows when the FX6 on back order will be delivered?
The FX3 handles heat and pouring rain great (been in both scenarios this weekend!)
When you've done run and gun with Sonys variable ND you never ever want to use any other camera again. Its just make it SO MUCH EASIER to get exactly the shot you want under any lightning. Going back to fidling with ND filters is so akward and clunky in comparison. For a versatile run and gun camera there really is nothing like it.
The ND is fantastic, literally game changing
welp… there goes my FX6 Pre order😂 does make sense though. When listing out the differences, I’d rather buy a 70-200mm 2.8 and an FX6 than just the FX6, gonna miss the variable ND though😥😥
yeh the ND is the real loss
Good move chris,
I think for the fx6 is good if your doing high end commercial work where you are rigging out the fx6, using stablizers, dollys, manually focusing,
But for youtube work or social media, Fx3 is good
And sadly, clients really feel taken more seriously when theres a bigger cinema camera
it sucks thats how the world sees us, but oh so true
@@chrisbrockhurst yeah true, the fx6 is a fine line between a youtube camera and a cinema camera, if your gonna spend 8k for a cinema camera, i rather get a Red komodo
I have the A7siii and a Sony A7iv and have always trying to find a reason to buy a FX6. So far nothing has convinced me. I do commercial work as well as corporate and personal stuff.
still waiting for mine since May, but not gonn give up
May isnt even bad!
good chat lads, I've just got a twin fx3 set up rolling myself. @chrisbrockhurst have you had any issues with frame rates at 100+ ? Or when rotating the fx3 to get shots? i done some 100fps and rtaing shots, after making proxies in Pr they were really hard to deal with. Anyone else had this issue?
negative, no issues here
Yes I’m cancelling it now despite never ordering it ;) haha I’m waiting to see if the a7iv will be worth it or get the a7siii haha Good points made!
I have a sneaking suspicion its going to be alot more appealing to people than the a7siii is
@@chrisbrockhurst I hope so!
Man I love my fx6. I’ve rigged it out and I only use Sony native lens and my jobs and projects have turned out amazing. The image quality between the fx6 and the fx3 are night and day. There is a difference. The fx3 is cool more compact and easier to carry around and it inspires to be a cinema camera but it’s not. The best way to explain it is the fx3 is a Chrysler 300 and the fx6 is a Rolls Royce phantom. The 300 inspires to be a phantom that’s affordable but when a phantom pulls up you see why there’s a major price difference and the performance speaks for itself.
If they’d just include shutter angle I would get the fx3!!
fingers crossed in a firmware update
As someone that was on the C70 or FX6 fence, I take comfort in my decision to get a Canon C70.
C70 is the best sub $10k camera and the best solo shooter camera on the market, Sony cannot touch it.
The C70 is a great camera but it has cripples that Canon once again puts in its cameras. It's not full frame, so you need an adapter, but then with the adapter you are limited to certain lenses. Such a shame.
@@vladimirtalijan How is it better than the FX6? Could you elaborate more
Fx6 also has catalyst for stabilicing
I love my FX6! But i totally get it the fx3 is amazing too! ( you also live in canada, they were never going to ship your camera anyways) haha enjoy ur FX3 man!
I stand firm that its never been sold in canada haha
The best run'n'gun handheld camera on the market is Canon C70 :)
Agreed! I love my c70 except for its size
I really like the look of the C70 and have considered it a few times. Big problem that stands out vs the competition, it's not Full Frame.
You canceled your order for the FX6? Did you say “BYE FELICIA” on the phone call?
hahaha
what a cross over Josh's channel is great
Thanks! I really enjoyed working with Chris on this one.
😁
Well I got a fx6 in 2 days of ordering it (thanks to buying an open box one on B&H). So listening to this is cool but I'm sorry that purchase was definitely the best purchase I could have made. Great conversation though. But I'm gonna have to truly disagree that the Fx3 is a better camera. The 0 audio options is a huge overstatement to the point of basically lying (technically cause you have the scratch mic which is not horrible and if youre recording and doing fashion and or dance content thats more than good enough when flying it on a gimbal).
for sure! just sharing my process, still a fantastic camera for some.
Did you have to use a bot to score that? I check BH every day for these lol
@@Shane-ODonnell I actually got it by pure and utter luck! I saw the kit version of it on BH after seeing someone say they purchased theirs the same way on a fx6 Facebook group. I looked and instantly canceled my preorder and purchased that for 6300 dollars (yes the kit lens version!) So I just suggest check back every day. I'm probably gonna do the same for an A1 which I saw there a few times for like $5000
@@yusei151 yep, I've been watching. Like a hawk lol.
@@Shane-ODonnell Keep looking out each dat, im telling you that it will happen probably before a preorder is reached. Check that and Adorama as often as possible and avoid the scalpers.
why get the fx6 when you have the fx3
thats the jyst of the conversation
@@chrisbrockhurst thank you. love your channel
Answering the title. Its because its a video camera and not a cinema camera.
yeah but 99% of people don't know that FX6 has that God sent ND Filter built-in!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Another thing to consider the FX-6 is accepted by Netflix and the FX-3 is not.
yep. If you need to put content out for Netflix then thats very true
@@chrisbrockhurst that is a lie it is not true
as long as the fx6 has no long gop 10bit it makes no sense ... i think i sell mine ... all-i is great but for slow mo or long speeches 8 bit is fucking joke ... a iphone has 10 bit now sometimes i get ultra angry about this camera
No timecode, no way to use an SDI port, no NDs, no way to monitor the exposure at all, small quite low res screen totally unusable outdoor in normally sunny conditions... Plus stupidly designed handle with no functions but an audio module integrated (with no options to move it or to mount anything like a better screen over), no shutter angle mode that for a "Cinema" camera should be a shame... But it has the IBIS!
Yes this makes the FX3 is such a great option.. 🤦♂️
Plus no options to disable the aggressive noise reduction on the second iso setting on the As7...FX3 and the different rolloff on the hi lights.
All in all also the Fx6 is not a perfect camera but no one is and aesthetic apart, it checks way more boxes when you look for a real videocentric/production tool.
Ps. I got nothing to defend the Fx6 and I'm actually shooting mirror less for most of the smaller projects, but seems too many CZcamsrs are pushing for the FX3 recently and I really can't understand why (well...) considering all its limitations and the fact that is basically an A7s3 with no Evf but with tally lights and an integrated non removable audio module sold at a premium price because it's a ✌🏻Cinema✌🏻 line camera..
None of us are ‘pushing cameras’ I buy the stuff myself, we are simply sharing experiences for others to learn from
@@chrisbrockhurst I believe your good intent and actually I wasn't referring specifically to you but to a general trend I've noticed recently.
All in all I think Fx3 and Fx6 are two different things aimed at two different kind of users and productions.
And honestly I say this with some regrets as the FX3 could easily be much more than a rehousing of an A7s3 and for sure a missed opportunity to have a really compact designed camera with pro features, specifically more options to control and fully operate as it is, without having to rig it or accepting limitations (some of them could be easily fixed with a fw update).
@@lucaloschi8958 the also cut 24p from FX3, when even A7S III supports it😂
@@galachiev Indeed the FX3 to me is no improvement over the A7s3 if not for the tally lights and a fan that I would rather exchange with another I/O port.
Other than that I would still go for an AS73 for the convenience and the viewfinder that's actually the only way to somehow monitor the exposure if you're out in bright days without a proper external screen..
fx3 is the best
FX6 looks different. Can we stop saying there is no difference in image quality? If you don’t think so, you need your eyes checked. A7siii is green, FX3 has a better highlight rolloff + more saturated, and the FX6 has a way better highlight curve and a looks like there’s reduced saturation/contrast, leading to a more airy look. Go look at Vistek’s video on this where he shows a7siii/FX3/fx6 side by side. Even though he says you’d be splitting hairs, nevermind what he says, look at the video. Watch how the FX’s don’t have the green bullshit the a7siii has.
Stop the nonsense.. they don’t look the same. The FX3 sensor IS NOT the same as the a7siii, it’s has similar tech but different image processing. Same with the FX6, Sony has confirmed it’s not the same sensor, but based on the same stack. If you can recall, Sony execs have said the a7siii is a new platform that others will be based on. Look at Appel with the m1 chip… the following models will all adopt this new paradigm but it won’t be the same exact chip in the first implementation. A7siii, was the first implementation. They are tweaking the tech stack for the future cameras so let’s stop saying same sensor, as if it’s the only component that controls the look of the image.
I have both the FX6 and FX3, A and B can respectively. The FX3 is better hand held, for quick shots, when I need stabilization and quick turn around. FX6 for narrative, a cam for interviews, and for when I want the best image quality. With that said, both of them could totally be used HOWEVER I want, and I would still be pleased with the image quality.
thankyou! I have the fx3 its like me saying my a5500 shoot video just as well its nice but um no!
Good boy! Lol
haha