WWE’s Biggest Mistake
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- čas přidán 5. 06. 2024
- Featuring some of the biggest WWE stars of the attitude era, including The Rock, Stone Cold Steve Austin, Kurt Angle, The Undertaker and Chris Jericho. And wrestlers from WCW and ECW in Rob Van Dam, Tazz, Booker T and DDP. The WWF Invasion storyline, which unfolded in 2001, was an ambitious and highly anticipated angle in professional wrestling. The concept pitted the World Wrestling Federation (WWF) against wrestlers from the defunct World Championship Wrestling (WCW) and Extreme Championship Wrestling (ECW) promotions, merging the latter two into one faction known as "The Alliance." Despite its potential, the Invasion storyline ultimately fell short of expectations and is widely regarded as a failure.
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You always have to remember, Vince didn't buy WCW or ECW with plans to put on dream matches the fans would love... he bought them to put his competition out of business and solidify his position at the top of the wrestling world, simple as that.
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@@SLAPTALK and that's the bottom line... cuz Vince McMahon said so
Black Saturday part duex!
Say what you want. Watching this as a kid was pure adrenaline. I was hooked.
It was botched thou. It would have been soooo much better if they would have incorporated the NWO, Goldberg, Steiner, Flair, Sting, instead of just DDP, Booker T, and a bunch of midcarders.
As a kid it’s excellent. As an adult it failed IMO
@@WrestlePod that's true we are spoilt for content and possibilities now. Back then as long as the v.c.r recorder kicked in to cath the raw intro credits I was like a pig in shit the next morning.
@@WrestlePodabsolutely.. as a kid I didn’t know how much better it could be, but seeing Stone Cold and the rock share the same show as the nWo was a dream come true. I wish Sting would have come earlier (he was my favorite outside of Hitman and Stone Cold) but when he did it was absolutely disgraceful.. and I was old enough to realize it by then.
I've never cared about storylines in my whole life. Even when I was a kid. All I cared about was the actual wrestling. I either wanted to see very technical and realistic wrestling or super wild hard core wrestling. I didn't care who was wrestling or why as long as they were good. If you're a fan like me, this was possibly the best year in WWE history.
Losing WCW and ECW killed wrestling
Seems like we are going Into another golden age.
Without a doubt I remember in 98 when WCW was still on top and reading a wrestling magazine and it said WCW will be out of business in a few years cuz of the merger with time Warner I remember seeing that like yea right that's not possible and when it happened I was like damn that's crazy
@tysoncarpenter8628. No it didn’t kill wrestling, what killed Mainstream wrestling was ROH and PWG. ROH and PWG created a wrestling fan that only wants to see dives and flips.
@@nu-metalfan2654 I havnt watched wrestling since the late 90s early 2000s lol I can't even get behind anything on WWE these days.
Booker T was the best thimg to come out the invasion, he was awesome. Seemed an actual hard bastard as well
Add RVD to that list... He was incredible too..
Hugh Morris did the most unsafe moonsault possible in his debut. The last thing you want is to fall short and have your knees land on your opponent. It should be body to body.
Lots of people don't realise how much force comes down on your knees, shins and feet when landing a moonsault. It can hurt like hell just doing the move. I wouldn't wanna be under that impact.
Wow, you was ten years old back then?
You’re making me and others feel old. I was about 24 during that period so I was also glad to live through that exiting time in wrestling.
I honestly don’t think we will ever experience that again. To me the WAR and re Attitude era officially ended at Wrestlemania 17….
RVD was the best part of the Invasion for me
One of my favourites during my childhood
Absolutely. Unlike a lot of talent from WCW, at least they allowed RVD to use most of his moveset from ECW.
RVD V Jeff Hardy is still one of the best matches I've ever seen.
You gotta love RVD. He's such a chill guy.
Agree, and one of the reasons I think merging in ECW to be the Alliance was the right call. There were at least some top guys from ECW. I didn’t really watch WCW, so I had no idea who any of them were until DDP showed up. I was asking the same thing Rock was when Booker was in his ring. “Who in the blue hell are you?”
Mistake? Stone Cold coming in and stunning the shit out of everyone was my biggest freak out ever. It was one of my favorite storylines ever. My hero finally broke through and raised hell. Saved WWE. I'll never forget that moment
I will never forget those days, I was in 7th grade when the invasion story arc started.
Pure magic
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I understand they didnt want to absorb the crappy WCW contracts....but what are we really talking about? 1-2 million per year per wrestler MAX. So you get Goldberg, Hogan, Hall, Nash, and Sting. 10 million at the most....and you reveal 1 guy every month or so and build up the biggest Survivor Series/RoyalRumble/WrestleMania in history. It could have been the biggest thing in wrestling history. Hell. Go further. Pick up the next 10 guys for a mil each. 20 million total. You would have made it back. Instead, they did it half assed. And its been half assed ever since.
The problem with that is that those guys had guaranteed contracts, meaning they were getting paid whether they wrestled or not... I don't know what job you have, but if you suddenly had the chance to be paid the same to not work, wouldn't you take it? Pro wrestling is a hard business, and to guys like Hogan, Nash, Hall and the like, it was an extended paid vacation. There was just no way they were gonna give that up, especially knowing that they'd have to put over the WWF guys in the Invasion angle, since Vince wasn't likely to allow anything but pure WWF dominance. Honestly unless you really wanted to see Sting and Goldberg and guys like that buried, I think the Invasion angle we got was about as good as it ever could be. Plus, if Vince had brought those guys in with those huge contracts, he'd have to re-negotiate and give raises to all the WWF guys who wouldn't be making anywhere near as much. The real cost would be a lot more than you might think.
The major names from WCW like Goldberg, Hogan, Nash and Hall all had guaranteed contracts that AOL had to pay out. Hall and Nash both had roughly $2M or so coming to them to stay home Goldberg had $2.5M and $3.5M. Not sure what hogan had. So to get them to come in do you think they’re going to choose to work for the same money when they can stay home and make that money? If you want to get them to come in right away you’re gonna have to pay them a higher number that makes it worth being in the road full time again instead of earning seven figures to stay at home. If you could take a year away from work or work for the year and you’ll make the same amount either way 99% or people are gonna stay home and collect the check. If you want someone to come back right away it’s gonna need to be worthwhile so it’s going to be expensive to get them to come in. Then you have to ask yourself how many of your current guys are you now going to need to give bigger guarantees to because how do you think someone who stayed loyal and worked their ass off is going to feel if they see the guys who left at your lowest point walk in and earn downside guarantees they are multiples of whag you are getting? You’re gonna have to bring your current peoples guarantee up to those amounts of risk some bad morale. The true total cost of landing those guys right away would have been immense if you factor in all the increases that you’d have to be throwing out there. It was never as simple as people want to think it was
I was 12/13 at the time. I loved it, i knew of WCW but wasn't that bothered about the lack of Sting and Goldberg. I never thought about it, as a kid. The figures speak for themselves, the Invasion was a financial success and had some great matches
If I was Vince, I would have waited until Hogan, Goldberg, Nash & Scott Steiner contracts ran out before starting the Invasion angle.. And just had the remaining WCW/ECW talent do house shows & train at OVW to learn the WWF ways of wrestling in the meantime.. There was no social media back then to spoil everything completely about WCW working with WWF.. Sure people who attended untelevised events would get an idea of what's going on, but this would at least give the WCW/ECW guys something to do while the tops stars are on vacation.. Maybe by then Chris Benoit, Eddie Guererro & Triple H would've been ready to return too.. Cena, Orton, Brock & Batista would've got involved as well.. HBK even.. They should've been more patience with the angle, instead of rushing everything.. This was a one-time opportunity...
I disagree on the people didn’t know cause there was no social media. At the time I was a huge WWF fan, never watched WCW. A co worker actually told me about the purchase at work either Sunday or early Monday before the last Nitro, and they were very casual fans. I didn’t really believe them until I saw it on tv that Monday night. But it was big news then, word got around. Especially hardcore fans, they all knew before the simulcast shows took place, and there are signs in the crowds that prove it.
Assuming you land all of those names because remember there was no guarantee that waiting for the big names to be available was no sure thing. So imagine if they had delayed things to have the top names involved and then they don’t land the names they delayed for or if those names knowing you had been waiting to finally do the storyline and decided to use that as leverage to negotiate their contract and bringing them in ends up being at the higher dollar figure that resets the pay scale and forces you to decide about losing the story entirely or give in to the contract demands and pay them at the higher levels than your normal and then have the drama from your existing top level people who now expect to get a downside at the level these guys are going to get. And then the biggest risk on waiting things out that people seemingly never want to acknowledge is if people would even care about the story two years after either of the brands have even had an event.
Or you have to give those people immense guarantees to make it worthwhile for them to come and work right away instead of banking seven figures to relax at home and heal. And the major thing is always if you give a Goldberg a $6M downside to be worth passing earning $3-4M to just remain how does your current roster react to that and how many people do you give way larger downsides to now since you blew the normal pay scale out of the water? Or do you just do what the company did and make the best of what’s available and while it isn’t the dream people imagined it would be you still land one giant PPV buy rate with invasion and the rest of the PPVs until the end of the story all do what they did the prior year or a bit better? What they chose to do made sense because the unintended consequences and risks that came with paying the fright to land everybody right away or waiting it out and hoping that people even still care about the story to begin with is a major risk
"There was no social media"...however, there was dirt sheets, magazines, hotlines and tons of insider news sharers that would have been dishing that hot scoop like crazy. The minimum impact would have been to keep it a hot topic and keep fan eyes peeled for guys showing up. The flip side is the likely issue of the whole angle getting stale before the the thing got to actually play out on TV.
Dumbest thing they did as turn Austin heel AGAIN twice in one year.
Had Vince bought Goldberg out of his contract and had him come out at the end of the PPV to turn the tide that would have been one hell of an end to the PPV. Saying that, by then they had already fucked up the invasion anyway…
Even if they had all these stars Vince is so petty he still would have buried them.
Invasion was my introduction to the WWF. It was the first time it ever aired here in the Netherlands. I think I was like 10 or 12 and it was only aired at like eleven o clock on a Friday on channel 420 or something. But man I loved it, my friends loved it everyone was hooked.
Back then I didn't even know it was al a work so I was invested to the max. It was glorious and me and my friends would talk about nothing else the day after.
Our parents where less excited because we started backyard wrestling soon after which went poorly.
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I will try out some more modern stuff in the future! Glad you enjoyed the video, thanks
No thank you mate for giving some great work thanks take care
I loved this era growing up but I really don’t think it holds up to a rewatch these days.
It’s a shame and I think I sadly agree
Way better than nexus
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These videos take about three weeks of solid work per upload. I’m on my own here so it’s tough to work any harder.
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After all of this i thank God for AEW now
Mike Awesome is probably the biggest missed opportunity in the whole of the Invasion angle. Such a waste of a brilliant talent.
@buckyhate7695. Sean O’Haire and Rhyno were bigger wasted potentials in the Invasion and after imo.
The problem with Mike Awesome was he had no character, he could do great moves and look good while doing them, but he had no promo ability, not much character, and there was nothing special about how he looked.
They should have had Nash Hall and Hogan help Shane McMahon beat Vince at Mania X7. To start the Invasion angle...instant double turn guaranteed ...
Wouldn’t have been worth it. People never want to acknowledge that when those guys all have seven figure guarantees for the upcoming year or so to stay home, spend time with their family, and heal up for awhile which was appealing if y out consider all of them were in their mid 40s or above and having the chance to rest up and still collect a giant check for awhile instead of having to be on the road every week when you can already feel fairly confident that you’re at a status that a healthy offer to join the WWF will be there after you take some time off so what motivation so there to rush things?
People never want to realistically consider that if I can relax and spend time with my family while I collect $1.5M as I recharge my batteries what are you going to have to offer me that is going to be more appealing to me to return to being on the road every week and jumping back into the WWF grind instead? You’re gonna have to be ready to offer an amount of money that is an amount above what I can make to stay home because nobody in their position is going to jump back on the grind to make the same as what you’d earn to be home.
But when the amount you’ll make staying home is so much money like they were getting, roughly in the $2M or so a year range, how much more does the other offer need to be to be worth it? It sounds crazy but let’s say you offer $3M to come back to work when I could make $2M at home is that going to be attractive because it isn’t going to change your life and how much more is it even going if to end up at when maybe you get that extra cheese but have to spend the money of being on the road 200+ days and how much is your net figure when you take out the cost of the hotels, rentals, food and the like? Realistically you’re gonna probably have to pay 2-3x to be worthwhile for thise guys and then consider if you pay them that hunger so do you now have to pay your existing top level people the same guarantee? What increased costs result from making that call? And then does it suddenly make the angle that much better and generate that much more money to be worth overpaying? I don’t think it would’ve been but I think it’s natural to just have that nagging what if
Wrestling is only good when there's legit competition.
By the end of wcws run The Steiner Brothers were a shell of what they once were but in 91 or 92 they would have been awesome competition for The Undertaker 😂and Kane or the APA
People watched just to see WCW and ecw guys against the wwf guys. I stopped watching wrestling qhen Vince bought everyone out. That was the end of the greatest era in wrestling. Imagine raw and nitro competing and beating MNF in the ratings numerous times. It'll never happen again.
NO TO "INVASION" PPV! ❌
YES TO "WRESTLEDREAM" PPV! ✅
By March 2001, WWE should've been already in two roster / brand split:
*"Monday Night WCW"* (Red Brand) replacing Raw.
WCW GM: *Ric Flair*
WCW Champ: *Booker T*
WCW U.S Champ: *DDP*
WCW TV Champ: *Buff Bagwell*
WCW Cruiserweight Champ: *Billy Kidman*
WCW Tag Champ: *Kronik*
WCW Women Champ: *Jacqueline*
WCW Women Tag Champ: *Torrie Wilson & Stacie Keibler*
WCW Commentary: *Tony Shivoney & Bobby Heenan*
PPV: *Starrcade, Haloween Havoc, Superbrawl, Mayhem & 2 brand's PPV in Survivor Series, Elimination Chamber, Money In A Bank, Royal Rumble & Wrestlemania Night 1/2.*
WCW Roster in 2001 (still : No Sting, No Goldberg, No Hogan, No Nash, No Hall, No Steiner, No nWo, No Rey Mysterio, No Ultimo Dragon, No Mexicool etc.)
WWE should've given (drafted) WCW their WCW Originals from WWE roster to add more 'Star Power' to their show:
1. Chris Jericho (Lion Heart)
2. Chris Benoit (4Horsemen) - injured at this time.
3. Big Show (The Giant)
4. Eddie Guererro (LWO) - injured at this time.
5. William Regal
6. Raven (Raven's Flock)
7. Dean Malenko (4Horsemen)
8. Perry Saturn (Raven's Flock)
9. Ron Simmon (Ex-WCW Champ) with Teddy Long
10. X-Pac (Syxx)
*"Tuesday Night WWF"* (Blue Brand) replacing Smack Down.
WWF GM: *Mick Foley*
WWF Champ: *Steve Austin*
WWF IC Champ: *The Rock (Triple H injured at this time)*
WWF Euro Champ: *Kurt Angle*
WWF Tag Champ: *Undertaker & Kane*
WWF Women Champ: *Sable*
WWF Women Tag Champ: *Trish & Lita*
WWF Commentary: *Jim Ross & Jerry Lawler*
Biggest mistake was killing Owen.
Who killed Owen?
Idc what ppl say this storyline was 🔥 if hhh wasn’t injuried n he n stone cold could of jump to the alliance instead of Kurt angle then hhh turn on wcw would of been epic
I am going to be 30 Yr old wcw wwf got hulk hogan ecw got stone cold wcw and wwf