7 Days to Die Has Issues...
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- čas přidán 17. 02. 2024
- Let's take a look at the TONS of negativity surrounding the current state of 7 days to die in alpha 21. I'll be taking a deep dive into some of community feedback that is surrounding the fun pimps and the game. I'll try to give my thoughts about some of it. Let me know what you have issues with in the game aswell!
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What's up guys! Enjoy the video? Let me know what you have issues with in the game
I would like to know by what do you mean by not on consoles.... ps4 and xbox one were released ago back in 2016 and are on pc version v1.15 with no updates since other then maybe a patch two for that specific version.
To what are you referring? A new console version of the game is being worked on
The engine is outdated they need to just move to UE5 as for game...well they stripped so much out over last 10+ alphas. the game its 1st 10 alpha's was amazing it was fun again over 10 years old and going wrong direction.
lets not get started FP Love banning users on the steam forums and theres for criticism and than saying they have a small team which is a lie they have a large team when other indie games with 1-2 devs pump out more content then FP does in 2 years.
the games generation is buggy as hell and its been modders fixing there game. the game was fun for it 1st 3-5 years but really started going downhill trying to make it more like a RPPH
@@ExotiKGaming my fault, I had to put video on audio only from back on from work break a few mins late and must of missed the previous console mention or just showcase via video.
No problem. I might have forgot to mention that. But I did show the console version being tested for a bit. Hope we get it soon!
I have 800+ hours and received this game as a gift from a friend. Playing this game makes time fly by, and I lose myself in it. It truly is an incomparable game. However, at times, it feels like the developers are chasing their tails, constantly redesigning things. It could benefit from more content, improved animations, and 3D models that change based on eating or drinking.
It could benefit from a lot of things, e.g. balancing crafting recipes so that they make sense as opposed to continually tweaking those numbers in an effort to slow or quicken the progression of specific skills, etc. No way should an axe head require 50 iron ingots to craft while an iron double door requires only 10 unless the developers are trying to incentivize mining for ore over the equally viable alternative of simply buying it w/Dukes.
The reason it's probably not such a great idea is that some players are going to hate mining for ore while others are going to love mining for ore. If it's to be a game that players can play any way they like, players probably shouldn't be forced to do things in ways they don't want to do them. It won't make the game more difficult for players. It will make the game aggravating and frustrating for players.
I get that TFPs are learning here, but a good question to ask when creating recipes, etc. would simply be "do the requirements make sense for the item being crafted"? 100 cloth to make a single pocket? What are we making? A pocket or a quilt?
Numbers like that need only make sense. Skill progression, game pacing, etc. should be achieved via other means, e.g. XP.
My father bought this game for me on my 20th birthday and I have played it everyday for the last 5 yrs
You know what's infuriating? There used to be separate food and drink models. I don't know when everything transformed into a dirty salmon fillet, but it wasn't like that when I originally played.
And get rid of super smart zombies and digging zombies
I wish game could work with multithread on cpu. Because that's the bottleneck in that game. The game doesn't really need powerful GPU. It needs powerful CPU. The one core only. If they wouldn't make it in release, then I would call it a Minecraft with better zombies, smaller world and with better texture pack.
Honestly just playing 7 days to die is just fun in general I don't really care about if it is in early access or not cause I just enjoy playing with it with my friends:)
What alot of people forget is the console version was handed off to tell tail and tell tail is no longer around
Correct! New version coming out soon tho hopefully
@@ExotiKGaming I love the idea I'll wait till they finish the release for console
Any new games that come out and stay in early access after a year is just a way for devs to have the excuse when bugs keep changing, I'd rather they focused on content than redesigning mechanics that were already fine
@@ExotiKGaming Sure, and they will charge full price again to those idiots who bough this piece of crap the first time.. talk about being the scummiest developer in planet earth.,..
My main issue with 7days is that they just keep changing it for the worse.. I absolutely cannot stand this latest build. The magazines came from a horrible mod that I refused to play and should have never been added to the game. I miss when the game was about killing zombies and having fun but now it's just tedious and boring.
You're not alone.
Remember when POIs weren't all linear dungeons?
A13-14 were probably my favourite versions, it kinda went downhill from there for me. Maybe for the console players because it was around that time they got included, but it's becoming fallout lite with base building.
I do still play it, but mostly just with mods.
Man, don't make me start talking about the very horrible and unneeded changes to water bottles which already make the game tedious and a chore to gather water.
A15 - A16 are my favorite updates because they remind me of my old days of playing the console edition of 7 Days To Die, back when the game felt like a true post-apocalypse, zombie, survival, sandbox video game.
TFP has basically been spinning their wheels, doing little graphic updates, revamping (the same) systems patch after patch. The reality for many is after a few weeks of a new Alpha most people go back to ignoring the game because the level of content is almost non-existent. The mod makers are truly the ones keeping the overall community engaged in the game; if we did not have the overhaul mods, I doubt the community would of been interested past A19. -- Parting thought: Why are TFP working on another game? Why not complete 7d2d and then move on?
A different company is developing that game, which is based on a concept that already has been and/or is being done by many others, e.g. the makers of Carnival Hunt. It's just using 7 Days' "Blood Moon" theme and probably some assets.
I don't want to sound cynical, but just as the market is now flooded with survival games that look and play nearly identical to one another and largely contain little more than bare bones "gameplay loops", some are hopping aboard the bandwagons of popular gaming trends; extracting whatever profit from them they can; and moving on to the next trend, not unlike a lot of triple A companies are at this point. Not saying that's what TFPs are doing. They're obviously still actively developing 7 Days, but I'd be lying if I said licensing a second game based on its themes doesn't give me pause. Are they in it solely for profit or also because they just love making and playing games? I most certainly don't know.
i haven't played for over 2 years and the game is almost unrecognizable. its updated so much. to those of you that play every day you don't see the changes because all you see are the negatives.
@@lrinfi i tell you. They are here for the money and nothing else...Their lack of skills is amazing and the game performs so badly because its foundation is a bunch of unity store assets glued together in a very amateur manner, that is why they never will fix that crap of a game. And im not talking about the 3d assets and textures.. they have been changing those overtime, sometimes not really improving them, just making "their own" to the max of their skills (very low skills). Il give a little piece of info that will make clear what they are about: When the first prototype was released, the blocky one, the whole game was a full asset flip, nothing was made by them and they chose the cheapest voxel technology in the store just because it was like 200 dollars. The good voxel module, one that will make your pants drop even nowadays, was over 1000 dollars, so they took the cheap ass one.. It had lead to this poor performance overtime. The good system, came with a super good physic's engine. Could track the falling of one of the huge buildings without slowdowns.. you know what happenbs when you do that with the tech they are using, the game chokes... so.. this game. which made them millions and millons, runs like crap just because they saved around 800 dollars back then...that should tell you everything.
@@Trikipum They're obviously not the most technologically proficient developers around, but neither are they engaged in predatory industry practices like in-game "stores" and microtransactions....yet. And I sincerely hope they don't go that route. Many indie devs, however, are getting their start the same way: making a proof of concept in one engine or another using the engines' store bought assets as placeholders and replacing them over time. TFP have made a product; they've sold the product; and a great many people obviously like if not downright love the product. Those are the only reasons I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt and consider the former mod authors simply have been and are more or less learning as they go. It takes a lot of moxie to not just talk about making a game, especially if relatively inexperienced, but actually do it regardless how others feel about the end result. I'll start to worry about them if and when they go the Chris Roberts and Cloud Imperium Games way of "crowd funding" and start egregiously gouging people for money.
To be clear, the game is still little more than a demo with a bare bones gameplay loop to my mind, which the promise is to expand upon down the line with a forthcoming story mode, etc. and has a lot of potential even if said potential has yet to be fully realized. They've tried implementing the much anticipated "feature" of bandits before with little success because I doubt they had the hands on board at the time to create the AI necessary to make them work properly any more than they have a dedicated sound designer or music director. Up and coming devs other than the brothers who had the bright idea to make a game of their own over Thanksgiving dinner one day have joined and left the team over time, of course, one of them saying it's the best job they've ever had because they're treated like family, their new POI artist being a master of those voxel shapes, imo. The POIs in this game are architecturally amazing and probably the best thing it has going for it, atm, imo. It lacks in other areas and I think they're overly focused on creating POIs, RWG, RNG, number crunching and catering to popular (for some reason) min-max playstyles. Ten years is a long time for the game to be in active development, but triple As with billion dollar budgets take at least six years and still turn out slop.
For the moment, I'm thinking of TFP as a small, family owned business not much different than one I used to work for; a small, family owned business that obviously cares about their employees and are doing the best they can with what they've got. Of course, they want the game to be financially successful as well as successful in the more important, unmeasurable ways to stay in business, so I'm taking a time will tell approach with regard to that potential.
The worst part of the game is trying to talk about performance issues but the mods on the forum insist it isn't the game and it must be something users are doing wrong.
Yeah. That’s part of the communication problem I mentioned. Also I hear people talking about moderators/devs locking posts and such.
@@ExotiKGaming Its probably posts that screams entitlement rather than constructive critisism, or ends up becoming a complain post when the answer isn't to their satisfaction. I read Post on steam a lot and its much less civil and much more complaining and calling devs names. I can see how some might get locked. Tho never been to their actual forum so I can't tell for sure whats happens there and why its getting locked. Tho if its anything like on Steam, I might see why.
@@ExotiKGaming Dude, i got banned back then.. when they redid the whole UI to "rust" standars.(a carbon copy of it). It was about the same time rust had a single food item (was a placeholder there). The pimps are so great at developing, they revamped their UI, which looked "classic", to copy a super stylized rust UI and then remove the meat items.. Funny enough, both the UI and the meat thing in rust where placeholders, later on they added more meat items and a new UI (in rust)....But, we, as 7dtd playes, were stuck for many alphas while they updated these things just because they were playing rust back then..THe best part is when rust just changed everything to something else but the pimps already had changed their own based on rust's placeholders.. talk about being unoriginal.. Anyway, i was banned from their forums when i pointed out "we dont need rust's UI, what we have is fine and goes with the game setting"....They changed their own UI, that took them years to create for RUST's placeholder..imagine developing a game like that..well, it is what they have been doing for 10 years.. they play a game together, like it 1000 time sbetter than their own, because they are always better games, then they try to copy it in their game, but they are incompetent.. so you get this asset flip frankestein with 1 decade of small changes ...
My biggest problem is that I almost always game with friends, usually on dedicated servers. With 7DTD, unless everyone is always on at the same time, one person is going to level up and move time forward, raising the game state to a point where the others are going to fall behind.
Also this is one of those instances like Minecraft and Kerbal Space Program where a lot of the "crazy new features" are things the modding community had done (better) years ago.
That's only because you party up with them. Don't party with a level 124if you're only level 30 because you will get zambiez you're too weak to handle.
to start, stop changing farming, crafting, and the books /magazines, make up your mind and move on
Yeah, the constant changes are...something. I feel the same. At this point I just wanna get comfortable with a core system.
The removal of jars and the learn by magazines change from Alpha 21 is what ruined it for me
They completely lost me when they gave -STREAMERS- access to the new patch before all the others who paid for EA.
I want the devs to stop trying to invent new ways of playing the game. The phrase "Don't fix what's not broken." comes to mind. The new book system......sucks. This new mechanic makes me not want to play it in its current stage. You put points into the skills to get the books that you want to read for your playthrough but it doesn't always work. I know it's supposed to give you a higher chance of getting those books in loot but often times it does not feel like it. So.......start hoping your luck is good? A luck game? Yeah, that's what we all signed up for......
Bring back action skills TFP! It makes so much more sense!
I don't think that particular, systemic change along with the water collection systemic change was fully thought through. Those changes have impacted the game tremendously and, especially, the game's wilderness areas, imo.
I wasn't around much before A21, but learned very quickly that those two changes, especially, are intense sore spots between the community and devs. So, I tested them out for myself and think community feedback about those particular changes is sound. I've no idea what TFPs might do about it now, but they probably do need to do something to balance those systems/regions before the game's final release.
I don't agree. Without change, the game would have gone stagnant and the player base nonexistent years ago. IMHO, Alpha 21 was not as bad as some think, but Alpha 22 sounds like it is going to be a milestone and crazy good to me.
@@rangerhawk I played since A15 (techically 12.5 but don't count that as I didn't really play until A 15). I enjoy A21 and A22, sorry: and I look forward to the release of the game as the new armor system do look pretty cool and the character models looks really cool.
@@FlashySenap I'm hyped for A22, or 1.0 as the FPs want to call it now. Bummer we have to waite another version for Bandits though. Started in Alpha 5 myself. Not many games keep my attention this long.
Me for one don't care about the long early access. I paid 12$ for it in alpha 11 and have about 2500 hours on it. It's like a new game every new alpha. Big studio would charge for each new releases... I'm looking at you EA and Square Enix 😆
I mean most people who bought the game have probably spent a big chunk of their time playing it and enjoying it. So to say that its a scam or anything is beyond me. 2499.4 H myself and I lvoe the game still ^^
bandits factions and story in 20 years
At this point it's a looter shooter and NOT a survival game at this point with all the survival elements (like collecting water) were removed because it doesn't align with THEIR playstyle.
the problem is that they dont have a style..they simply play games they like and think the concepts of those games will work for their frankestein.. that is why they have been 1 decade changing things...THe actual UI in This game is the placeholder of rust's UI back then, when they played it.. this tells you all.
Having the jar disappear after drinking it is so stupied... What, am I smashing every jar on the ground after drinking from it once?
Clearly, eating glass is necessary in the zombie apocalypse to maintain immunity from airborn infection.
I'm not a fan of the water and farming changes. That said, as the game is eminently moddable, I just find an overhaul that works with my sensibilities and roll with it. Darkness Falls tends to be my goto. Vanilla is just that, too vanilla these days. I have over 2700 hours in 7 Days, so I clearly love it. But I love it the way I love Skyrim. The base game doesn't really do anything for me, but the modding scene is a gift that keeps giving.
Yeah, the mods that are available even with the yearly updates are amazing. Especially those overhaul ones that constantly need to be worked on to stay up to date!
usually the case for most games within this genre. You play the base game. you want more but the base game doesn't have it so you turn to mods.
a good sense of direction and vision is where the devs are really going wrong with it. This is why it appears like they are chasing their tails because they in fact are as that's what you do without having proper development vision to plan out how you want your game play. There were so many builds of this game that i genuinely enjoyed like 5 years back but it was clearly rough then. instead of adding more content to the game and balancing what they already had, they keep deciding to redesign what functioned in lieu of fixing and adding the things that clearly needed work.
I'm still very salty i can't pick up spike traps to this day and it makes organizing a base obnoxious. At least let me loot them for half a second or whatever to pick one up that got misplaced ffs.
I started playing in alpha 5 or 6, bailed in alpha 15 i believe. The game has gone downhill since alpha 11-12. That was its peak in playability. Was a very rough game but so fun to play, no gauges to fill, no crap. You just joined a server and had loads of fun with people. They develop sideways for various reasons. One is that they dont know better, they are super amateur. They have no personality. They play a game they like, and they want to add crap they like in those games that does not really work in their own....Game was best when there was no grind, the grind was getting all the crap you needed, that was enough, but no gauge filling all over...they are amateurs and it shows... just check their older games with another name...they are terrible.. that is why they have a new name now, they really didnt want you to see those...
I wish a real game company would just steal their idea and make the damned game already.
I feel like content has slowed and I don't care about models.
But I paid $20 or $30 and have played over 1000 hours. So I don't care. They could have stopped development at a16 and I would have gotten my money's worth. Many settings and text settings are key. I can fix tons of things.
So yeah 2 years is fine.
I remember when They Are Billions released. It turns out I liked the game more in alpha. And the loss of hope for the future when development stopped was sad.
So whatever. I got as much out of this as I got out of the $10 I spent on the Minecraft Beta.
I want it to be better. But the game is amazing as is.
I played They Are Billions and had fun with it for awhile. Until i beat some of the levels that took me forever hahaha. I also was in the minecraft beta! or whatever it was called wayyy back then. I had to download it from the website and everything. Was super cheap...then i stopped playing it and it BLEW UP all of sudden and everyone was playing it after I stopped.
950 hours and I'm enjoying alpha 15 more than any version
they should name it 7 Decades of Development Hell
I love this game, hate the stupid horde night mechanic.
I made the rest of the game harder and shut down horde night.
At least you can edit the game that way. The settings are nice! When did u start playing ?
@@ExotiKGaming First Alpha they released :)
They need to go back to the old skills where the more you did something the more Proficient you are at the skill.
I was moving over from console to PC and I was genuinely perplexed at the crafting skill as you have to read randomly found books. Rather than just pumping in skill points.
I have this game but I don't know how or why. Guess I'll try it.
So... 7 Days to Die is going full release, there will not be an alpha 22, straight from alpha to full release as you predicted. No Betas... I can't see this going awry :)
I spent about $25 bucks for at least 8 alphas and spent over 6K hours. I am not happy to see more delays, but at least I am not paying for DLCs for a broken game. I know this is early access and will support this game since I can see things moving forward. Now, for that original price, I am playing several overhauls so for that price I am playing 1-5 games. I honestly can't complain, but I enjoyed some of the older systems, and agree they could be cheesed. Also, understand they needed to streamline things to make some performance changes. I appreciate they have a plan and they are working towards it. I assume A22 will be fluff release to make console better and more performing assume a June release or pushed to Halloween release. A23 will be the bandits and partial story implementation Xmas if we are lucky more like March 2025 . A24 will be a final cut before beta to finally go gold in end of 2025, probably Halloween drop. I guess if you are only playing Vanilla the players will drop off based on the stagnant content, but playing the overhauls make that wait for the next drop almost bearable. Die hard fan!
One correction, there's a sepatarated team working on the new game. They stated on a interview that the team working it's bigger than ever.
Over than that thing, great video
Appreciate the correction! My bad. This was more so a video just about what I have seen people being negative about in general. But, I should have doubled checked that part. Thanks
i don't get what gold version gives you except no more regular and big updates. every time new alpha comes out it's exciting for better or worse, and my god i got a lot for 25$ over the last 10 years. imagine you got gold version in alpha 14 and your dreams come true then( or wishes) you got well optimized a14 with some kind of story on top of it. what would have missed from content, visuals etc up until a21? a fucking LOT...anyway, i agree with many thing negative, but for me it's not so much in a negative way, it's a journey for me
I don't think it matters, either, especially from the player perspective, although wrapping it up would free up TFPs developers for making a new and, perhaps, even more interesting game. The "Blood Moon" game that's been announced isn't even being developed by them and will be just another entry in an already saturated market for that type of game.
They seem to be taking their business cues from the gaming industry at large when they could be making a unique niche and identity for themselves.
@@lrinfi I think they did identify themselves with 7 days, but they did encounter big problem with voxel mechanics for performance and old engine for everything else...7 days in new engine if possible would be blessing, but they would still have voxel problem that makes 7dtd unique...tough spot either way.
One of my computers has a ryzen 3 with Vega 8 and only gets 45 fps at lowest settings with micro stuttering, I feel like better optimization could definitely let it hit 60
Ryzen 7 with RTX2080 ti and I range between 60 to 120 fps... Had stutters in my friends base... it went away when I redesigned his base after he left and I removed a greenhouse room (A lot of windows,) and suddenly that framrate drop vanished. Considering the release, they have changed the windows to become opaque at a certain distance, maybe that could fix the issues.
I play the mods, so as long as they are playable, and they are...
Oh, and they actually optimized the buildings and map rendering so you can render your own maps, plus I think that it is more and more seldom that I experience bugs and crashes lately.
-It might be my hardware that is better at handling it than those that keep having bugs.
When this is said, there are some places where criticism is in order. For example, the developers' tendency to want to control how the players creatively gameplay.
And I miss a lot of what they have promised like bandits and and a storyline - but it will come. They promised... hehe
The mods are great. Modders are a god send
@@ExotiKGaming The developers owe the modders the survival of the game today I'm sure. Some of the modders even fixed a lot of the most damaging bugs of the game plus they keep it alive and interesting. Also, Mods makes CZcamsrs give it a lot of attention.
But I gotta give it to the Fun pimps as well. This is an amazingly deep survival game where you can do almost anything you want the stronger you get.
My greatest wish if for the game to be gold and content locked. Ideal situation is if TFP abandoned the game, since moders then will have stable baseline for finishing the game (along with redesigning all the shitty systems TFP created).
It’s not the fact the game hasn’t gone gold yet that annoys me, it’s the fact that they’re going all out with these new features yet not focusing on optimisation, 7 days to die used to be a game I could run flawlessly at high/ultra graphics then all of a sudden when Alpha 17 and onwards came along performance just declined and now alpha 21 is a stuttery mess on my gtx 1050ti which is by no means a powerful graphics card however this should be able to run the game no problem
when they released their game, most graphic cards had 1 or 2 gb of vram. They never implemented a system to switch textures from Vram. So once the game fills it up, things become super stuttery and slow...I remember playing this thing in a 650 ti with 1 gb, 1080, 70 plus fps.. no problem..Game is a bloated mess nowadays.. get more vram...
There's probably more reviews than 34k, my friend with 700+ hours left a long winded review criticizing the current state of the game and in turn had his review banned.
Given the behavior of their moderation team at times, either making fun of people that dislike the current direction of the game or cherrypicking one or two semantical errors while ignoring 90% of anyone's points, it would 100% be reasonable to conclude a large sum of negative reviews could be purged.
Probably cause they heard them and people can be pretty rude and obnoxious in forums, that I can sometimes get why they lock them. Can't say it was right by your friend as I haven't read it. Decisions, if made as school has taught me. The best idea isn't always the one that wins when decisions are being made, at least not at a corporate level.
@@FlashySenap no, they are the definition of snow flakes when it sabout their game.. I was banned from their forums yeaaaars ago. When they did a update that basically copied rust UI and removed diferent meats (just because rust, funny enough, in rust they were placeholders and they added diferent meat items later on, something the fun pimps removed because they were playing rust back then). Anyway, to make it short. They did a carbon copy of rust's placeholder UI in the time, people pointed it out, they didnt like the change, we liked the old school UI better. Anyway, this mod arrived to defend the cause of fun pimps, saying that it wasnt a copy, even when people posted pictures comparing both. So i just private messaged the mod to ask him why would he do that, lying for other people when you arent even being paid for it".. that got me a ban and im glad, such a cesspoll there. Anyway, this is how they develop. They have a huge inferiority complex with their game, so they always try to implement mechanics from the games they are playing in the moment. The thing is that those games do it nicely, fun pimps sometimes make changes that simply dont match their game.. so they develop sideways and revamp systems over and over.. They have found out that this works for them to make loads of money, so they have 0 interest into killing their "alpha cow" thing.. These guys are a shame...
Jar removal was the worst 😫 like what's the point they removed the body system too for loot 😅 the skill system is just so pointless
This is why Steam needs to have a time limit on Early Access games. You get 3 years in EA and then you either release or you get removed from Steam.
I bought it and am very happy with it, the way i look at it, i could spend the $25 and get free updates, or i could wait for it to be finished and potentially spend $60 like most new games go for
If they charge 60 dollars that would be crazy. But who knows you right
There’s tons of modders that have implemented npc into the game, why not hire them to help add bandits, and a story mode, maybe something taking place day 1 of the apocalypse, I really do get why it takes so long to do anything
Former BGS game modders are working on the game. I tend to think that's why raiders...er, I mean "bandits"... and human "factions" are forthcoming at all. I further think that's why so-called "radiant quests" are so prominent at the moment. It's what they know how to do, so it's what they're doing.
Personally, I think the IP is losing its original identity in the process. It's not a horror/survival sandbox game anymore, but is fast becoming a BGS-style "open world" semi-RPG.
I believe the concept of bandits and factions were in the original Kickstarter stuff for goals and etc...and the feature video mentions it aswell all the way from back then. But i could be wrong. Modders probably have given them a ton of ideas to go off though.
Modders have the luxury of being free to focus on any aspect that they wanna change. Developers of a game don't have the same freedom and luxury and are bound to work on the entire game.
because hiring a modder to do it is admiting that you never had the skills to do it in first place, even after 8 years teasing with that thing.. They are cheap man, also, hiring a real profesional in anything would mean a shorter spam for their cash cow.. which is what this game is since alpha 12-15....the best version of the game that just needed to add what they promised, not revamping the same thing over and over and over... oh man...
picked it up in Alpha 21 on the Steam Deck and have been loving it. Performance and Gameplay is super good. Would be nice to for them to fix the clear quests though!! i’ve had 10+ quests broken and unfinished due to the issue with buttons not working, being broken, etc. The fact that the triggers that spawn zombs for quest completion can be broken/destroyed/ or bugged is just a huge annoyance to players. Wasted plenty of HOURS of my life strategically carefully going through high tier quests just to find out that a button is broken and can’t be pressed. And it’s happened multiple times. In tier 5 clear Higachi Tower there’s a room with a switch - where an exploding cop zombie easily blows up the surrounding room including the button and breaks the quest….
For me it was always the devs stance on not acknowledging the mod community for any inspiration. Could be such a powerful tool. I compare it to deciding not to use a calculator when its right in front of you. Just seems like such a stubborn decision.
TFPs is a legal business entity and there could be reputation and perhaps even potential IP issues involved in that. Mod authors know when they mod a game that they are working with assets they don't own and that the mods they create do not, in fact, belong to them, but if TFPs implement a feature that some find too similar to that of an existing mod, what's to stop the mod author or others from claiming the idea was "stolen" by TFPs? In fact, Bethesda Game Studios has been accused of "stealing" mod authors' ideas in the past. Fortunately, the mod authors in question have been big enough to say that if Bethesda was inspired by their mod, they're honored, but don't consider co-inspiration stealing. Alek's whistle quest for Convenient Horses of Skyrim fame is an excellent example. So, no developers have instituted a whistle quest for characters to learn to whistle for their horse, but there was no whistling for horses in video games before that mod was made, afik. Now, however, it's almost a standard in professionally developed games featuring horses from The Witcher 3 to RDR2. Oh, what we owe Alek for that one!
Mod features are actually adopted by the gaming industry all the time. A game inspires mod authors; mod authors in turn inspire professional game developers; but mod authors are not paid for their work whereas professional game devs are. TFPs would be opening a huge can of worms if they "acknowledged" the modding community in the way you're suggesting.
Then those other devs can suck everyones dk? No one can be sensitive in business. Thats not how money is made. lol @@lrinfi
Can't sue off an assumption.
What they gonna do, keylog their PC and blame them playing the mod they coulda watched through a YT video, or had in a dream the night before?
You're fking retarded if you think there is a counter to my point. Mentally delusional and off the meds kind of retarded.
@@lrinfi Yea about legal business: TFP and every other company is in the right to take peoples mods and implement them into the game. Would it be scummy to do so without permission? Yes. But not illegal. At the end no one would care.
To give you perspective: Rimworld is a game that has basically a mod for almost everything apart from a 3D envirionment cause thats impossible for a 2D game. The newest DLC had dropped and it implemented ideas that were SIMILAR to mods that already existed. Well its impossible for the devs to make content that wasnt already covered by modders and the DLC itself did not just copy and paste the ideas but made it there own. Yet people still accused them of stealing. Here is the best part once again: The dev is totally within his right to do a copy and paste job. He didnt. And still was accused. Its his game, his property, his IP. Modders know this.
I have over 3900 hrs in game . I would like to see an end to development someday but i am having so much fun playing overtime that i could play it forever if they keep developing & putting out content for it. Not really upset over most things in game but i did like loot dropping from every zombie which they stopped in version 16.4 i believe don't quote me.
Yeah, It made killing zombies feel better. Even if it was just like money or something. Its a game with a lot of replayability.
Bought this game the year it was available on steam. 10 or so years later, it's the only video game I've consistently played that long. Idk why everyone was so obsessed with the alpha phase ending. It didn't matter lol.
You missed the mod support.
Only started with a20, but it's the mods that keep me playing.
The modders are great. I love em. Gives so much life to the game. What mod is your fav?
3000+ hours later its still the best survival zombie base crafting game when you factor in the mods that are available. unfortunately recent updates have felt more like game balancing rather than "game building"
Yeah, agreed. A lot of their updates are game balancing especially after they release a lot of 'new' content haha. Will always love the game though.
I just started playing in Alpha 21….It is my favorite game to date… and when I get tired of vanilla I have many options with full mods… down the road…
Oh so you're just starting the journey now! That's awesome. How long have you had the game then?!
@@ExotiKGaming a couple of months…I’m in my first play through. I started on easy of course…. Died about 10 times…but now I’m maxed out on everything and pretty unbeatable…if I don’t make a mistake… getting ready to start over. What’s awesome is I have several Mods I want to play down the road. This is the most fun game I have ever played. Very thankful to Glock9 for his videos…
Dying is a part of the game! Especially when you dont know buildings and with the 'surprises' the devs like to place throughout POIs. Especially, after new updates or changes to the game. Glock9 is the best. of course, haha. Love his stuff.
@@bethepepper you need better videogames.
They will be released 7 days to die gold edition on the second anniversary of elder scroll 6, Highrock rise of the bretons. The untold story
They just need to get a second studio in on this game at this point to help development. They are just to slow. I actually came back last week to this game after playing Alpha 20.5 1 year ago and i have to say i do infact love the changes. People hate you dont keeps cans and glass jars anymore. But i think its the right call. Since it forced me and my friends to keep exploring and doing quests to get money to buy water and scavenge the POI's for water aswell. It keeps the game flowing early game. Especially with the new skill system which forces you to explore instead of just sitting in your base 24/7 and learning everything there. we are day 5 ingame now and we still have not put down a base because its allot more fun to be on the move now.
I just think allot of people that play this game have undiagnosed autism because they cant handle the slightest changes to game. Since i believe the old system made it too easy to level up or left it more to luck than the new system. You can easily get to Medicine level 50 for the first aid kit if you just keep exploring medical buildings and loot boxes
Thank Yee'🦀😎
Does anyone know how to not update it on steam so you dont lose everything?
Go to library, right click on the game and go to properties and then betas and then you can select which one u wanna use and steam installs that version.
Don’t dare question their preferred streamers, they will yeet you for the slightest joke… who says “Stupid Birds” over and over 1,000 times? Don’t laugh you’ll get the FunPimps Ban Hamma! 😂😂😂
I gotta be careful then. hahaha, did they hit you with a ban?
I hate the direction FP have taken the game. Every time someone has fun in the game the FPs snuff it out in the next update. I want a game with no traders and no quests. Just me and the zombies. If I want to dig to bedrock and build a zombie proof bunker even on horde night I should be able to do that! How the **** do zombies dig like bulldozers with their dead moldering hands anyway? I want to learn by doing not the stupid magazine system they have now. And don't get me started on farming and water which the FP have ruined lately because GASP FUN was detected in the old way so out they go! Also stealth has been pounded into uselessness by the FP with zombies appearing in POI when you step on an invisible trigger. I have hundreds of hours in game but haven't played it in a long while now. FP squeezed all the fun out of it for me and its not even out of alpha after 10 YEARS!
They did announce that there will be playable demos for Ps5 and Xbox at Pax East at end of march so hopefully that means a close release
I dont get people mad at early access especially at the current state of "full release" games today which are far worse than many early access games
I saw that. It should be cool to see people interacting with the console demo. NO delays pleaseeeee
7 Days is a great game, I like getting an updated regularly for no extra cost.
im sticking to the oldest version of the game, the one with jars and the mini bike, i do not like that they are forcing people who do not have high tech pc's to buy the next gen console. That is over 600 or 700 dollars because they were to lazy to do a little work on the game to make it render on old gen consoles, no one has that kind of money to blow on expensive consoles when most people are struggling to just get by each month on floor sweepings! ill just stick to the ps4 version, to me the animations from alpha 21 look worse then the old version, like for instance the pickax swinging animation looks well done on the old version they should have left that alone and the graphics should have not been altered so drastically they should have been improved... that being said its just my two cents on this all.
Ok I will speak on this as a player with 1000+ hours. I will not gonna sugar coat my opinion cause I had been frequently on the forums on steam to critique the game left and right for roughly 6 years after 10+ years of playing the game. Yup I was an early bird. Not kickstarter no, but soon as I saw gameplay after it was on early access on steam, I bought it. Chilled Chaos, mans got me into it. Dont blame him, I had my fun. But that fun eventually dwindled. *Anyhow* here I go. Watch yourself, this is a lengthy comment cause boy I got lots to say on this game lol
- Why is the game being in Early Acsess a problem? Truth be told, its not. The problem is that its in EA but also still in Alpha. And that after 10 years. On the surface I dont see it bad to excuse a game for being in EA as long as the updates are satisfying at the very least. But when you get to the point where you notice that TFP does one thing after the next and it shoots against any logic or pre-established idea that was present in the game, it starts to no longer be a valid excuse. Notice that word? Excuse? Its on the same level as "justification". As in, it reeks of being a problem.
Project Zomboid has released just a bit earlier than 7D2D into Early Access. It too is still in development. The only thing about the two games that differs is the perspective. Otherwise the games play practically the same way. But 7D2D has more people actually being mad than PZ. Why is that you wonder? Well for one, PZ is being worked on, on the side. They frequently hire modders for the game to make it work and the updates that do eventually come out bring more depth and interesting features to the game that you couldnt imagine were possible but always thought of wanting.
7D2D? One day they add a way to immersively put together a bike. The next they take that out and instead give you menu crafting flat. One day they introduce a tablesaw to halt progression, the next they take it out cause... Actually there is no reason really but Ill get to this specifically at the end of the comment. I promise ya, you dont wanna miss that one cause it will shed a light on 7D2D like nothing else the game is being critiqued over. Anyhow, they introduce Learn By Doing, then switch the skilling, messed up the game to make it an XP grind fest and then make it even more a grind fest by adding traders. Lo and behold they create a whole new system thats... actually just learn by doing but now you actually *have to* go out and grind for loot in order to get anything done.
Something you will have noticed as any player is the constant need to push the player into a grindfest that the player doesnt want to be forced into. Players for the most part hate the traders. Cause all they do is give out quests. Why do players hate quests? Cause its just another lootgrind. And why is this a problem you may wonder? Cause the lootgrind is basically just dungeoneering over and over and over again until you just wanna comm-
Something that I had noticed is this: Whenever TFP noticed that the players could use something to their advantage in any way shape or form that was "Too much", they would start to "fix" the exploit asap. And the newest update that came out speaks volumes on that end too. Learn by Reading doesnt just slow down progress, it punches down on the breaks and makes you come to a full stop. You could grind before if you wanted to. Now you are forced to, to make any meaningful progress. And this is very relevant when you look at the skilling changes from LBD to Skills to LBR alone. One exploit after another was found to make the game easier until they came to a foolproof conclusion the player could no longer exploit unless they use game settings. I have another book to sell you on that particular topic but Ima keep it focused.
When TFP sees something that is either "not needed" or "could be done better" they will start to fix it. They will start to redo it. Over and over and over again. None of the "fixes" we got were neccesary. All we required were balance patches. And this applies to nearly everything in the game. From the too many dungeons, to a crazy lootspike and level grind to the whole issue with how the game feels piss easy after you get past weapon tier 0 and oh goodness I can mention so much more but this comment is long enough as it is.
So whats the big issue I mentioned way above? Its about the very thing I mentioned just a moment ago already. Exploits and Game balance. Every time players find something TFP thinks needs to be fixed, TFP will fix it even tho it never needed to be fixed and they end up making it worse. The world feels too easy? Add dungeons and make every house one. Survival is too easy? Give players a ton of predators to deal with and let them no longer pick up flowers easily and make them waste stamine for it. Combat is too easy? Well lets make some variants and harder Zombies, surely that will do the tr- the tier 1 pistol is OP and cannot ever be replaced by anything this game has to offer, it can outdamage a literal LMG because it doesnt matter how fast the LMG fires, you just need the correct mods for the Pistol and you can spam every single zombie, irradiated or not, to death and then some. I mean its not like bullets are no where to be found. Which btw, they also fixed again. Before it was too easy to find them. Then no longer. Now its abundant again. Whoopsiedaisy, guess it was a placeholder again guys.
TFP, the mods on the forums and the whiteknights this game has (not talking about you, you at least acknowledge the game has problems), are nothing more but disingenious a-holes. If I have one thing left to say about this game after it drove out all passion I had for it: Rip it from your account and refuse to be a number in their system. I wrote so in my review. And I will tell everyone who is even slightly displeased with the game. Its not gonna get better. The game will never leave Alpha. It will not happen. Stop wearing your rose tinted glasses. They already work on their new game anyhow. Nothing is gonna come from this. They took the money and metaphorically ran away with it.
Also addendum: Thats not a roadmap. That stuff was already confirmed to come. Everyone knew of this that even slightly involved themself with the development of the game. Thats not a roadmap, please do not call it one. Its an excuse to make players that complained shut up.
You missed the part where they have been changing things, even the same thing, several times, because they simply played a game online....
I could fix several issues off the bat.
First of all, skills. Salvaging and Harvesting should be their own category. Arms, armor, and gear should be their own category. Stat agility should cover attack/draw speed, move speed, jumping, "evading every # attack that would otherwise land" evasion". Strength should cover carry weight, forcing doors and containers, lifting gates, and bending bars. Endurance should cover heat/cold/rad/disease resistance, health regeneration, stun recovery, and stamina regeneration. Perception should let you spot higher value loot without opening containers, spot enemies better(even capping out with giving them a glow within a certain distance) hostiles actually show up on the compass, highlight trash piles, nests, and dens, when invested heavily enough.
Intellect increases xp gain, governs points learned each book read, contributes to item crafted quality(yes, learn by crafting was a superior system, to a point. It should contribute, not dictate outright) trade prices, trade quality, and trade rarity.
They need to introduce a charisma attribute, so you can haggle, getting better rates the more you invest not just quests completed, but trades done with traders. An option in the charisma tree to make a trader a favorite.
This game is better than many AAA full final releases....
And no dlcs!
I enjoy this game a lot, it has a high replayability. I paid like 10 USD years ago. Ar this day I can't believe people are still bitching about the game 😂😂😂 if you don't like it don't play it period
I watched Neebs gaming play 7 days and it looked fun. I was shocked to buy a 2 pack of the game for around 10$.
My first few playthroughs ended fairly quickly, I was having fun... but on a bad map, no cooking pot for a few days, and I didnt know what I was doing.
I am now on day 55 of an INT playtrhough.. I have a minibike, junk turrets, sledge turrets, a drone with a bunch of cargo mods... My horde base has shotgun turrets, solar panels, an automated garage door entrance and a 4 story elevator shaft full of blade traps with an automated trap door to drop zombies...
I am sure there are issues, but I am having so much fun I really dont notice... I use a few quality of life mods that make the game even better. When I bought the game, I didnt even realize Alpha 22 was just around the corner and free... SO no complaints from me. I litereally got two copies for ten bucks... I got my moneys worth and then some... If I dont like A22, I will play A22 or an overhaul mod.
The level of entitlement that people who have played the game to death. The game is great fun. It's not perfect. But there's always something to be doing and it pulls you in. If you are sick of it... Stop playing!
If this were a movie you didn't like, you'd complain and move on to another movie. Seems like people have a different view when it comes to games.
You right. People just like to vent. I find it best to keep an open mind to what people are upset about though. Performance in cities is the one problem i have. which 'hopefully' is getting solved in a22 somewhat.
the thing is they could just say the game is finished and add nothing just update it like they used to its bad
I have 1305 hours the only thibg that i want fix is the lag that zombies causes
Do you lag just from zombies in general. or on horde night?
its been there since day 1 and they wil never fix it because they are amateurs. People dont understand what is going on with this game and why is so laggy for what it offers... It comes back to the foundation of the game, they made the whole thing using unity store assets, the cheapest.. and it shows.. Where they had an option that performed x10 faster and costed 1000 dollars, they chose the inferior version for 200 dollars, and then hacked them together in a very amateur manner. The only person with some talent there is the guy doing the procedural part, the rest are hacks....It has been almost a decade, but i remember a guy who made a list with every aseet they were using from unity store and they all were the cheapest and worse performing.. the other voxel engine was amazing and ran x10 faster than what they use, and it was just 800 dollars more.. this is how cheap they are
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Appreciate the support! How long you been playing the game?
The people talking about it being in early access shouldn’t be on the internet. The only thing I hope for the game is that they make it work better. It would really suck if the next console version is just as glitchy as the current one. Also losing your whole water bottle after drinking it should have never been a thing 😢
I started in A21, put about 300 hours into it and I'm still enjoying it. I can't wait for A22. I don't see an issue with it being Early Access. A game is a game is a game. What does it change for not being Early Access? It's way better than DayZ.
6:00 I agree with TFP here. Don't make some base that exploits the AI mechanics. Keep people guessing I say!
That's pretty obviously a death loop for the game right now. As soon as a CZcamsr trivializes the AI with his or her masterpiece of a horde base design, the AI is changed, supposedly to patch an "exploit" when It's not an exploit that's being patched, but a creative solution to the horde night dilemma, which is the whole point of the game, atm.
I've joked that the game probably has been made a much better game simply by virtue of the devs coming up with new and creative ways to thwart players who seem, actually, not to want to play it because they keep coming up with new and creative ways to avoid doing it. :)
Haha you got a point there. Just a lot of time spent on the processes I suppose. Maybe its helped them design a concept we all love tho!
To exploit AI mechanics, you need AI in first place.
Started playing a week ago in 22, haven't played since version 16. The magazines are .. interesting.. random. idk, still fun. im not really married to anything. But seems like they are using alpha to test out different ideas. who knows, maybe they're giving up, but years of play for only $24 is still a great deal.
Usually what Alphas are for. test things and see what sticks. They haven't given up, they are soon to release the game believe it or not :P
in my opinion, 13 alpha is better than what we have now. and there’s no need to say something like (well, just play it) I’m already doing it. It’s just that what we have now, in my opinion, is overloaded and oversaturated with not so necessary content. yes of course new versions have better graphics and so on. but not only in the graphics, it’s simply not as interesting to play as the same 13 alpha, and I won’t even talk about the weight of the game. well, optimization also only got worse over time. especially this fucking radioactive/acid spitting zombies that shit is bad like honestly looks way out of place. the 13th alpha at least keept the more if you can call it that "realistic" setting but now with all this new bullshit they added glowing zombies shit ton of weapons that does not seem possible i mean i get it its a game but man a fucking electric/lightning stick is just way to much. also i always hoped for correct viewmodels for the game. like you know if you have gloves you should see them on your hands, or sleeves from whatever clothes, but no they decided to add fucking drones and glowing zombies. after like 3k hours that i spent mostly playing alpha 13 and sometimes switching to alpha 15 to play with my friend at the time when it was the newest one, i can clearly say that if they keep on doing what they are doing with the game now its just gonna die in like 7 days ;). but if were being serious the game really lost its original meaning, and i cannot really say what it actually was i always tought of it as a minecraft with zombies and better building, all tho 40% of my time is spend making farms, theres just something i like about it building a base and growing food there. well anyway. theres nothing else to say other then the fact that the game really went the wrong way. but again thats just my opinion. all tho one more thing i hope for its workshop, i can only imagine how many things could have been possible with it, it would have been amazing to be able to get a few mods and completely overhaul the game to lets say look like older versions.
Everyone likes to rag on console but A16-17 (idk which it is) is way more fun than the current build of the game
Ive been watching the game since A6 and played since A18, and it feels like the devs trying to make the best balanced game ever at the cost of fun. The new pipe guns are not fun to use, the new farrming is no fun, but it is techically more balanced, since you have tier of weapons before normal guns and you have to skill up in farming to get any benefits. There are more examples of it but im too lazy to write it all
Good game , i just can't enjoy it when my fps are all over the place , freezes crashes , and all this with a pretty decent pc. It also looks horrible , and runs horrible, i don't even know how is that possible but incompetence.
I don't care that it's still in "early access". A buyable game is considered released on principle. It's just a courtesy label indicating the volatile nature of the game's updates and active ongoing development. Terraria has been long considered complete and yet has still received content updates over the years that make it almost unrecognizable compared to the game I actually bought a long time ago. Would anything actually be different if they had kept an early access label on it? No.
What I do resent though is how I picked this game back up again recently after several years, and what immediately struck me is how in that span of time somehow everything AND nothing has changed. Looking through past updates and guides, the developers have added, removed, and reinvented so much that very little meaningful progress has been made. There is too much development time and energy being focused specifically on countering player tactics to the point that zombies don't even act like zombies anymore, and horde night has turned into a weird game of manipulating the AI into a game of tower defense.
The (un)Fun Pimps seem to have a very specific way they want you to play the game, at any cost to the gameplay integrity, while ultimately changing nothing. The poster child of their development "logic" is water: In the current version of the game, in what is probably the most extreme example of idealistic versus intuitive or sensible design I've personally come across, it is entirely possible for a player to dehydrate to death while swimming in a lake during rainfall. The removal of jars and drinking straight from water sources was done to make things more difficult for the player, without any consideration given to how unintuitive and stupid that is. Now the only consistent source of water is a dew collector, which requires a water filter that forces interaction with the trader system despite the fact that, logically, I should be able to craft a collector without a filter, and purify the water by boiling instead. Not only that, but the "heat" somehow generated by these noiseless, passive water collectors makes it ideal to place them away from your storage and crafting base, so as to not draw more attention than the multiple forges, campfires, and cement mixers you're already having to run to maintain your separate tower defense horde base. So the whole system comes full circle: You no longer farm jars and make runs to water sources to fill up, but make runs to built water sources that conjure filled jars.
The developers just need to accept at some point that enough is enough, and actually progress the game's development instead of constantly reworking what already works because gamers have this frustrating habit of figuring out how to play well and win.
The game is fine. It works well and it's fun.
as one of old farts that play this game, i think its great. yes you need a pretty good cpu. i would like them to start using more of the graphics card though. but over all, i wold buy this game again.
Totally agree. PLEASE use my graphics card haha. Patience it will come...hopefully!
2.7k hours playing this and I supported it on kickstarter. It's a good game and the amount to modding you can do with it has kept it in the player bases mind. I dont mind waiting for it.
Damn you are an original! What was your favorite alpha after all this time?
meh it has it's issues for sure but I bought it on sale for pc at 7.99 ... I think it's one of the most enjoyable destructive world sandbox zombie survival game there is period and I have some 1200 hrs into it for 8 bucks... there's fun mods. So I've got my moneys worth imo and I can't complain so far. If anything man the overall stabilization/optimization issues I guess. I have lost 2 worlds so far but to be fair I try building huge and mine incredible amounts which makes the world and pc struggle bus. lol
so it seems mostly all old players hate how the games is right know but new player love game !!
and im surprise this game have not been bomb yet on steam from old player back then ??
I finally broke down and bought the game the other day and could only pay 10 minutes at a time.e before I would crash and tried troubleshooting and after spending more time doing that then playing I got a refund and I will say it was my first refund in my entire life
you dodged a bullet man.
IMO, I hope the game never gets to 'release' because it means it stops evolving. I picked it up in 2018 as it was directly responsible for me wanting to get back into PC gamin and 2200 hours later I still love it. I love crafting survival and this game is unmatched! I guess there is always MineCraft but I don't want that game. The only thing that TFP needs to figure out is their Twitch integration so I can dump more money into it. The part I like the most is that this game keeps changing and I have to figure it all out again. How many times have you played a game that you beat and no longer visit again? I've done that too many times and love that TFP know how to keep things going over and over again. Probably one of the best games out there!
evolving implies moving forward. This game has been developing sideways for at least 6 years. Very little has really been added in that time, most has been "revamps".. It is amazing that people are so freaking naive.. They simply havent made it gold before because they didnt have a new cash cow ...Do you think people would be still playing this if it was released 3 years after the early access?..oh man..
What are you smoking. Thats 34k negatives against 256k positive. I've got 2.237.5k-hrs in the game myself. And have been playing it since alpha 7. I keep coming back to it because of the constant evolution of the game and its mechanics. Every Alpha is like getting a new game, keeping it from getting stagnant. And if you don't like some aspects, you can always mod it. BTW, the FPs plan on going gold in the next alpha or two. They just need to finish their roadmap and have all the planned features in place. Then they will build a story and polish the F out of it.
Please lets revive the best version of 7d2d Alpha 16.4 - Someone make a discord server or something
hahah bro no way 0:30 xDDDDDDDDDD
Had to get you in there hahaha 🤙🏼
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This is by far one of my favorite games. The game gets a little stale and bam...new alpha. Love this. It's like getting a new game without paying money. If I did have one complaint it would be the lag when trying to do a tower. That does get old.
People just love to complain and hate. They really do.
I just got bored hoping for actual content updates instead of game changes to increase grinding. I like that they send more spitters and random bashers to wreck my base but it's still boring they don't bring back the wall crawlers.
This is my 3rd or 2nd most played game on steam. I love it . I hate the developers with my heart and soul. They made a cool fucking game and failed to deliver it. Someone should just make 7 days again on a new engine with a better team. It is in my mind the most glorified building game with zombies added to it. Nothing less nothing more. I love the game - i really do but its not good its just fun to fuck about on for a month.
The game continues to endure after a decade because Hermes was so efficient he got the popularity of the game riding on one Australian.
They should’ve just kept the mechanics the same and added new mechanics instead of removing them
It's a great game, but the complaints are legit. Tired of tech progression redesigned for the 999th time. Game needs new enemy types and mini bosses, and lore, but what are we getting? reskinned zombies and reskinned vehicles. Also, who thought it was a good idea to relocate all the traders on Navezgane and put them far away from cities??
i dont give a rats ass what any moaning bell end says, you have had your moneys worth out of it already. If you don`t like vanilla install one of the class overhauols that are around and enjoy the game more.
I'm just going to comment 2 mins in before I get distracted by whatever else you're going to say.
For me it's been great in a way, I bought the game in A7 and it's like having had 4 games in one, so in that way it's been a good purchase.
Some changes have been good, while some have been bad, I don't know many of the old guard who still play and if they do it's only with mods. The game is so far removed from what it was, dumbed down and trader focused, you either have to accept it as a totally different game from when you started playing, or not play. Some people can't.
Yeah the new version seems like you become the traders slave. I liked the game without traders myself.
TFP are scummy and im so regretfull about getting 2 copies of the game back then..It is the biggest asset's flip i ever witnessed.. 10 years developing a game sideways coz they lack the mastery and skills to develop what they promised, and they dont have a plan for aftert this game, since they haven the skills, so they will milk this thing until they die.. literally...I bailed out 7 years ago and the game didnt get better since alpha 11, just more inflated with crap and changes of UI, mechanics etc etc.. but never advanced in development, allways things horizontally, so they never advance and they can milk it forever.. And people are still waiting the AI npcs lmao... after 8 years, some people still believe it lmaooooo
Nah... you're making a mountain out of a molehill... We are still talking about 90% recent and older review as positive on steam. So don't let a tiny 10% of the userbase skewer your vision.. Also for the price (25$) you'll have a hecking more gameplay hours that a lot of 80$ AAA game you would buy nowadays!
(I concede the biggest issue nowadays is Trader reward and inventory being too generous as well as infested missions bonus box..)
Here lies the issue with 7 days to die, Im speaking here having over 12,000 hrs in the game on ps4 when it released as Alpha 13 - 15/16 i believe, then after on PC playing all the overhaul mods. So i feel have the experience to say this. The issue is that the devs have done an awful job of programming the AI, Now im not saying the devs are incompetent or anything like that at all, its been a learning curve throughout the development of this game. Lets start back to alpha 13 from when i know the game, back then the AI were pretty much dumb and attacked the bases from all directions. This was the fun days of 7 days to die. over time the zombies were reprogrammed to take the path of least resistance. Then going even further, to the point where each AI calculates all health of all blocks to find the path of least resistance. This over time just made the game too predictable. To where now each update players have to find the new meta block that allows exactly the same function, for zombies to see it as a path but not actually pathable so the AI falls off. This currently removes most of the fun in the game. A little fun working out a horde base initially but that is over and done with once built then everyone back to just standing at the end of a corridor shooting one spot. Thats it, I understand fully why these changes were made, each time it was changed was to stop everyone building in a particular way, Back in alpha 14 it was to stop everyone just building pit bases. Then every update after was to change how zombies saw a particular block being used. So same with gaming as a whole and even the film industry, the more we strive to perfect films and games in graphical quality and in content, the further away from the core reason we play/watch games and films. and thats to have fun, This game and others like it will only get better and get rid of repeatability when the devs start making AI actions random in some way or at least have multiple options.
The other issue has always been PvP and the broken mechanics that have never been addressed, making the PvP side of the game completely pointless
I would just like to say having played for as long as i have, i must have had fun along the way, i have, and it has to be the best value for money game out there for the amount of hours you can play before boredom sets in. But these 2 single issues for me are the biggest.
I love the in-depth analyze from someone with so much time in the game. I agree the AI needs work or something. It's been a constant battle trying to balance. Maybe just pick a method and stick with it? Or fix right before gold I dont know. Perfection as you said is never achieved EXACTLY. haha
@@ExotiKGaming Honestly, the game was more fun when the zombies were dumb, you didnt know where they were going to attack, yeah it became cheesy when pitbases became a thing, But i still preferred that over this predictable pathing game, its more like lemmings lol. Tbh ive played as much as i can without some serious changes to AI behaviour But it is just one of them games you can still just pick up and have a blast with friends, breaking legs and getting lost in your own mines was always funny. I remember my 1st ever night in game, i spent it nerd poled up about 30 blocks, too scared to go down. Its been a blast, just wish i could find another destructable world game as good or better, but there just isnt.
Just have the zombies zerg rush random structural points. hmm, trying to remember my first night in the game ever. Think it was ontop of an old gas station in navezgane and i got killed by those old bee creatures. I was probably afk thinking i was safe or something ahha
Being angry that the game is still in early access is absolutely stupid, because most devs abandon their games when they are done. This developer loves this game and constantly improves it!
Haha, so naive it is kinda cute.. No dude, they just figured out they can milk the cow for 1 decade with little improvements, developing sideways so you never finish the game.. Had this game released 3 years after early access, no one would be playing it anymore.. It is their cow and they will kill it when it fits them, whiuch is when they have the next cow ready...
great game, just get it V1.0 6 years AGO
LOL these hate comments made me open my game lol
Some of them are just funny as hell. Butttt after going through so many of them. Its crazy how angry some people get.
I’ll stick with the old console version if I play it. The game changed way to much and I’m not interested in the new version.
SAME! I hate the current build on PC
So anyways leaving alpha this summer
I did leave a like although you did give the fun pimps a free pass on how crappy the game actually is no matter what they've done so far there are still no lips moving for the traders that was Skyrim day one and you do not seem to suffer from Stockholm Syndrome carry on with the videos call like you see it
Even with 4060 and Ryzen 5600x with NVME ssd, the game runs poorly for how outdated graphics are.
Amateurs using a unity asset made by another amateur instead of choosing the good option because it is 800 dollars more.. what do you expect.. the voxel tech in this game is terrible and has been causing trouble since day 1.. computers are much much faster now but the code is just too bad.. no amount of cpu power will fix it.. well maybe in 10 years game will run at 100 fps with a dozen zombies on the scree, being a 20 years old game that looks 30...