The Front Derailleur Killer? | Classified Powershift Hub Gear First Look

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  • Does this mean the end for the front derailleur? Classified's new internal geared hub for road and gravel bikes, the Powershift, is a new look at internal hub gears for cycling. Si takes a ride on the wirelessly operated rear hub, which uses planetary gears to offer two different gear ratios, in addition to the use of an 11 speed cassette.
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  • @gcntech
    @gcntech  Pƙed 3 lety +363

    What do you think of this hot tech? Will it catch on?

    • @taufikabidin412
      @taufikabidin412 Pƙed 3 lety +25

      I think it is ca tching on, with Rohloff, pinion, sram dual drive etc, there is a movement towards internal gears. We would see more and more of it, better efficiency and quality.

    • @QwertyUser1983
      @QwertyUser1983 Pƙed 3 lety +21

      If the price is affordable for beginners,
      That means we can mount giant chainring like 75t without worrying the FD max size capacity, usually 52t.
      Then, that also means later, sprocket 11t - 50t chainring 37t - 75t combi might be possible
      Now, how about cargo bike test for it durability?
      Ù©(â—•â€żâ—•ïœĄ)Û¶

    • @mattfenn1373
      @mattfenn1373 Pƙed 3 lety +27

      I really like the look of this......hope it catches on and the prices come down a bit

    • @deabreu.tattoo
      @deabreu.tattoo Pƙed 3 lety +17

      Probably too expensive

    • @uaaadingding
      @uaaadingding Pƙed 3 lety +16

      I like the idea. It's too expensive for my taste but understandable for the start.
      Questions:
      The cassette mount, is this an open standard so other suppliers can provide parts?
      Will there be a mechanical shifting option too? (not a fan of wireless shifters ...)

  • @gabes-t
    @gabes-t Pƙed 3 lety +843

    I can now brag to my mates I climb with the big chainring.

    • @Simon-le2jk
      @Simon-le2jk Pƙed 3 lety +9

      there is no big chainring if there is only one

    • @Alan-xxxxxx
      @Alan-xxxxxx Pƙed 3 lety +78

      @@Simon-le2jk There's no small chainring

    • @ImranShaikh-gh2wd
      @ImranShaikh-gh2wd Pƙed 3 lety

      😎 definitely

    • @boracay12
      @boracay12 Pƙed 3 lety +3

      Where are the guys obsessed with each ounce of wieght? I'm sure this will cost about as much as a down payment on a house .

    • @TeacherNickoy
      @TeacherNickoy Pƙed 3 lety +6

      your mates will be confused how are you spinning with a big chain ring. hahahaha.

  • @feedbackzaloop
    @feedbackzaloop Pƙed 3 lety +748

    New pre-ride routine by GCN: charge head unit, charge di2, charge powermeter, charge lights, charge whoop, charge tyrewiz, charge through-axle.

    • @Samwell314
      @Samwell314 Pƙed 3 lety +145

      Now someone will need to design a common bicycle electrical system so everything can be powered by a single battery...

    • @Mike_in_Thailand
      @Mike_in_Thailand Pƙed 3 lety +33

      And their gopros, and the cameraman's gear.

    • @RonaldBeirouti
      @RonaldBeirouti Pƙed 3 lety +47

      @@Samwell314 Even better, by a hub dynamo. At least it's one electrical device that you don't need to charge! 😀

    • @ssaunders2k
      @ssaunders2k Pƙed 3 lety +12

      And technically charge their tyres with air as well.

    • @keirfarnum6811
      @keirfarnum6811 Pƙed 3 lety +18

      Charge legs!

  • @elbertshanid8115
    @elbertshanid8115 Pƙed 3 lety +388

    Now fit it with double chainring and you get yourself 44 speed groupset.

    • @rosskline
      @rosskline Pƙed 3 lety +46

      Just need to figure out where to put the third shifter..

    • @Hyleys
      @Hyleys Pƙed 3 lety +6

      Agree - I would do so

    • @mjs1231
      @mjs1231 Pƙed 3 lety +13

      11x46 cassette?
      1x46 compliant derailleur?
      Match with shifter brand?

    • @fubarryk
      @fubarryk Pƙed 3 lety +23

      @@rosskline a friction shifter on the barends...

    • @cuebj
      @cuebj Pƙed 3 lety +2

      @@fubarryk Used to be bar end friction shifters for touring bikes with hub gear trigger usually on downtube or top of handlebar- you could use twist grips but unreliable and astonishingly uncomfortable to use

  • @philtomlinson8220
    @philtomlinson8220 Pƙed 3 lety +42

    As others have said, this stands out as a genuinely useful bit of innovation, and seems to address all the limitations of both 1x x 2x systems. Although beyond my budget, it doesn't seem ridiculously expensive either, given that the conversion kit includes a pair of carbon wheels. Hope this takes off and comes down in price in the future.

  • @frozenbean
    @frozenbean Pƙed 3 lety +852

    As a lifetime cross chaining enthusiast, this is really appealing.

    • @samuelhopely4853
      @samuelhopely4853 Pƙed 3 lety +76

      Alright "cross chaining enthusiast" is now going on my resume, that's fantastic!

    • @glharlor
      @glharlor Pƙed 3 lety +14

      Agreed, I am never used the small chain ring! This would be excellent! Sadly if it requires disk brakes it's a no go for me

    • @MrLobsterity
      @MrLobsterity Pƙed 3 lety +35

      @@glharlorFinally you'll be able to enjoy the real brakes. Best regards, GMBN.

    • @gcntech
      @gcntech  Pƙed 3 lety +12

      All of your problems are solved!

    • @benszabo
      @benszabo Pƙed 3 lety +11

      @@gcntech Where do I sign up to
      1. get the certification for "cross chaining pro"
      2. to sell a kidney to be able to afford this?

  • @kotsifis250
    @kotsifis250 Pƙed 3 lety +348

    Now this is some tech that's actually groundbreaking and hopefully it catches on. Variations of this should cover pretty much all bike disciplines in the future

    • @nick37781
      @nick37781 Pƙed 3 lety +24

      internal gear hubs have existed for 50 years

    • @keirfarnum6811
      @keirfarnum6811 Pƙed 3 lety +4

      @@nick37781
      But have they been good enough to actually use?

    • @mikehall6608
      @mikehall6608 Pƙed 3 lety +19

      @@keirfarnum6811 Yes, they're extremely common in commuter and city bikes.

    • @raycath0de
      @raycath0de Pƙed 3 lety +6

      @@mikehall6608 have they been able to be used in conjunction with external gears simultaneously though?

    • @mikehall6608
      @mikehall6608 Pƙed 3 lety +1

      @@raycath0de I'm not sure, but other comments below this video suggest they have.

  • @pascaljanietz156
    @pascaljanietz156 Pƙed 3 lety +138

    When’s the time that GCN switches to E-Scooters for the camera vehicle?

    • @petrus94
      @petrus94 Pƙed 3 lety +6

      i second the request

    • @Rindertvdt
      @Rindertvdt Pƙed 3 lety +1

      YES! That would absolutely be a good move!

    • @AdamHegewald
      @AdamHegewald Pƙed 3 lety +6

      Yes the motor is quite loud....get something quiet ALREADY

    • @metalface8515
      @metalface8515 Pƙed 2 lety +3

      GCN should just mod their filming vehicle to have the exhaust come out somewhere not near the camera position

  • @Metal-Possum
    @Metal-Possum Pƙed 3 lety +20

    Back in days of old, some 2 speed hubs were wireless too. Kickback hubs were made by Bendix I believe, and you quite literally pedalled backwards slightly to shift between high and low.

  • @idiachuk
    @idiachuk Pƙed 3 lety +143

    Finally! Something that really looks like a technology-driven improvement for bike tech world. We didn't see this for some long time. I'm fascinated, personally. Si rocks as usual) ..

    • @nuttynut722
      @nuttynut722 Pƙed 3 lety +2

      agree, a real improvement over the gimmick CS drivetrain years ago!!!no bs!

    • @rossfripp4503
      @rossfripp4503 Pƙed 3 lety +1

      Agree, potentially the biggest innovation since di2.

    • @hmcredfed1836
      @hmcredfed1836 Pƙed 3 lety

      It's crazy expensive dude!
      Nothing a normal person can or wants to afford!
      It's like putting a F1 beake system on your family car

    • @idiachuk
      @idiachuk Pƙed 3 lety

      ​@@hmcredfed1836 Exactly, buddy. Great comparison - some decades ago f1 brakes were as powerful as fiat punto ones. And that's why fiat punto is able to confidently stop nowadays. Tesla was making only superexpensive electric supercars at the beginning of its history, and now we can afford model 3. That's how it works, and that's why progress is a good thing. cheers

    • @alainbellemare2168
      @alainbellemare2168 Pƙed 3 lety

      even better if it s titanium or carbon fiber

  • @neilstoddart00001
    @neilstoddart00001 Pƙed 3 lety +322

    Give it 6 months and AliExpress will have a Klassified hub!!

    • @NirreFirre
      @NirreFirre Pƙed 3 lety +28

      Yep, for 1/5th of the price, but one that breaks during or after the first season..

    • @nmgn
      @nmgn Pƙed 3 lety +26

      When the Suez Canal reopens! Lol

    • @iamruss74
      @iamruss74 Pƙed 3 lety +2

      @@nmgn rumor has it it's open now?

    • @HulluJanne
      @HulluJanne Pƙed 3 lety +4

      @@iamruss74 Yep www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-56559904, at least on its way.

    • @gcntech
      @gcntech  Pƙed 3 lety +8

      😂

  • @RobMacKendrick
    @RobMacKendrick Pƙed 3 lety +7

    This reminds me of the hybrid hub/derailleur systems people used to homebrew in the 80s. (That is, a drive train combining a Sturmey-Archer shifting hub with a 10-speed freewheel.) Fascinating proposition.

  • @mk-yg7op
    @mk-yg7op Pƙed 3 lety +51

    @classified-cycling: Please update the USB port to USB-C when launching upcoming 12 speed cassettes. Thank you.

  • @jeremystrachan9340
    @jeremystrachan9340 Pƙed 3 lety +135

    2021: when cycling glasses and ski goggles become no longer distinguishable

    • @mijus
      @mijus Pƙed 3 lety +8

      even diving ones included!

  • @morganrowe
    @morganrowe Pƙed 3 lety +346

    Hoping you guys can swap to EV motorcycles soon as it will give the sound guy's an easier job! Nice vid and tech đŸ€™

    • @nuttynut722
      @nuttynut722 Pƙed 3 lety

      a sound guy for utube video? I don't think so, they all use clip on anyway

    • @whatwelearned
      @whatwelearned Pƙed 3 lety +20

      @@nuttynut722 He might mean the audio editor

    • @morganrowe
      @morganrowe Pƙed 3 lety +5

      Yeh editor, sorry.

    • @Kimberly_Sparkles
      @Kimberly_Sparkles Pƙed 3 lety +10

      @@nuttynut722 there is a sound guy running the “clip on” mics. No one lets talent set those up on their own.

    • @joyousland
      @joyousland Pƙed 3 lety +26

      The bike is really noisy and kill the tranquil atmosphere of cycling

  • @birili32
    @birili32 Pƙed 10 měsĂ­ci +1

    I came to this video as I was about to get a Rose bike with the Classified Hub. Today, after 1 month and a few rides, I am completely in love with this transmission. I will have some problems finding a dealer that provides the Classified cassette, but in the meantime, I am enjoying this piece of tech

  • @tomrow7214
    @tomrow7214 Pƙed 2 lety

    I was picking up my bike at my local bike shop a day ago. There were a few guys talking with the owner in the parking lot. When I had my bike on my rack, the owner called me over to try something. It was a Moot MTB with a single front chainring. I was told to use a small button on the handle bar next to the left hand break to shift while pedaling. Smooth as silk ... really cool. I made a mental note to look up Classified to learn more. The next day I was researching something else and by coincidence this was in the side bar. I'll bet this is a game changer going forward. As always, Simon Richardson did an excellent job reviewing this technology.

  • @AegenemmnoN
    @AegenemmnoN Pƙed 3 lety +143

    This is something I do not need... and absolutely want

  • @british.urchin
    @british.urchin Pƙed 3 lety +236

    It’s slightly concerning when a consumable part, like the cassette, is only available from one small company.

    • @dlevi67
      @dlevi67 Pƙed 3 lety +34

      Agree. However - mitigating: 1) it's in steel, so presumably quite durable and 2) it's early on; all new technology is 'one supplier' when introduced. The real test is whether Classified will publish the cassette specifications or whether they will keep them proprietary.

    • @Stoney3K
      @Stoney3K Pƙed 3 lety +18

      @@dlevi67 Or if they are able to downscale the tech even further so it will accept standard cassettes.

    • @WARnTEA
      @WARnTEA Pƙed 3 lety +18

      Yea, thankfully though the consumable part is easy to copy as its just metal, so if this tech catches on, all of the big cassette players in asia will produce aftermarket ones.
      Hopefully shimano acquires this company and makes it their standard because their front derailleur is god awful. I actually run a sram rival front derailleur on my ultegra bike (with ultegra shifters) because not only is the rival lighter,cheaper and has a free chainkeeper, but there is no trimming so you just set the inner and outer limits and it works perfectly. No fiddling around with certain gears rubbing and others not.

    • @markpalmer3071
      @markpalmer3071 Pƙed 3 lety +1

      yeah, for now, but it's pretty cool.

    • @wasupwitdat1mofiki94
      @wasupwitdat1mofiki94 Pƙed 3 lety +5

      @@WARnTEA You are mistaken, It's SRAM that gets the majority of complaints around the internet about the poor shifting of the front derailleur. I have Shimano DA Di2 and I have never dropped a chain so far. When I had SRAM eTap it happened all the time.

  • @andypryke6750
    @andypryke6750 Pƙed 3 lety +11

    Reminds me of when my dad, built an 8 speed cassette onto a sturmey archer 3 speed hub, for his Tandem

  • @martinxoxo
    @martinxoxo Pƙed 2 lety +3

    Gorgeous tech. Finally no more chainsuck and adjustment issues.

  • @JK-dv3qe
    @JK-dv3qe Pƙed 3 lety +17

    4:14 "I know this...... because i Googled it" made me looooll đŸ˜‚đŸ€ŁđŸ‘

  • @carly200
    @carly200 Pƙed 3 lety +60

    "You cannot look down between your legs and see if you are in your big or small...." made my day ;-)

    • @TeacherNickoy
      @TeacherNickoy Pƙed 3 lety +1

      and have that reaction "oh my god its shrinking.'

  • @ElectronicPleasure
    @ElectronicPleasure Pƙed 3 lety +19

    Sturmy archer with a 5 speed Freewheel was around 40 years ago. 3x5 all in the back wheel.

    • @finncarlbomholtsrensen1188
      @finncarlbomholtsrensen1188 Pƙed 3 lety

      My foldable Brompton has a three speed Sturmey Archer and two now titanium cams still.

    • @bitdiddle1
      @bitdiddle1 Pƙed 3 lety

      SRAM also have a product (www.servicearchive.sram.com/sites/default/files/techdocs/DualDrive_Ins_E_12_02.PDF). This appears to be a more refined version of the idea.

    • @trek520rider2
      @trek520rider2 Pƙed 3 lety

      @@bitdiddle1 Bad link.

  • @adamc599
    @adamc599 Pƙed 3 lety

    That's gorgeous and brilliant, I want one yesterday. It's so good I had to check it wasn't April fool.

  • @Derecq
    @Derecq Pƙed 3 lety +48

    1950's touring bike set up, Sturmey Archer 3 speed hub with a 3 speed freewheel and triple chain rings.

    • @casperradil
      @casperradil Pƙed 3 lety +3

      I also created an online university profile service with pictures in 1999, but somehow my execution was not perfect! It is not always about who is first, but rather who has got it exactly right (and probably a bit of luck), and I think this looks very promising!

    • @frutt5k
      @frutt5k Pƙed 3 lety

      @@casperradil Only if there will be second, third and fourth sourcing of cassette parts.

    • @2wheelsbest
      @2wheelsbest Pƙed 3 lety +2

      Just posted something similar. Just shows there is nothing new under the sun.

    • @oranjid
      @oranjid Pƙed 3 lety

      Indeed nothing relly new here. Did not really catch on, why would it do so much better today...
      In the year 2090: next copy of the same system. Will be sold as a new invention :D

    • @vegn_brit5176
      @vegn_brit5176 Pƙed 3 lety +1

      In my childhood I had a Raleigh Grifter with a Sturmey Archer 3 speed hub and occasionally the gear used to slip and I'd invariably end up on the tarmac! Fortunately there wasn't a lot of traffic around in those days! I loved the bike to bits though.

  • @royalmoline9197
    @royalmoline9197 Pƙed 3 lety +173

    I heard ‘micro-usb’ and died a little inside.

    • @KOME11
      @KOME11 Pƙed 3 lety +50

      Something this new should be using USB-C!

    • @EleanorPeterson
      @EleanorPeterson Pƙed 3 lety +8

      @@KOME11 - That's still way too techie for me! For adequate durability I wanna see 10mmÂČ copper wires and two bl**dy great wingnuts.
      Nothing else will last more than a month. ;-)

    • @TheSorrowedMan
      @TheSorrowedMan Pƙed 3 lety +1

      @@KOME11 usb C has poor durability

    • @lesflynn4455
      @lesflynn4455 Pƙed 3 lety +1

      Why? It's never the USB micro receiving bit that dies. It's the plug. They cost as much as a can of coke.

    • @rhidiandavies1991
      @rhidiandavies1991 Pƙed 3 lety +11

      @@TheSorrowedMan and a micro USB doesn't? Give me a break!

  • @SAM-zt2uy
    @SAM-zt2uy Pƙed 3 lety +34

    I do a lot of miles on a steel frame Hercules Commuter with Sturmey Archer 3 speed hub gears it’s a pre war design and it just works.

    • @ParaBellum2024
      @ParaBellum2024 Pƙed 3 lety +3

      As a youth in the 1970s, my dad bought me a huge 'wartime utility' bike, with just one gear. I think it was a Rudge. I rode it everywhere, and the lack of gears didn't bother me.

    • @paulcs2607
      @paulcs2607 Pƙed 3 lety

      Exactly. Nothing new under the sun.

    • @RobWhittlestone
      @RobWhittlestone Pƙed 3 lety +1

      I had a maroon Hercules with Sturmey Archer for my school run 50 years ago!

    • @VickersDoorter
      @VickersDoorter Pƙed 2 lety +1

      An experience further enhanced by wearing cycling tweeds, a teeth-clenched trusty briar under full steam and stopping for a decent pint.

    • @ParaBellum2024
      @ParaBellum2024 Pƙed 2 lety

      @@VickersDoorter All before morning assembly in the Great Hall!

  • @angusanderson9992
    @angusanderson9992 Pƙed 2 lety +6

    Great idea, all it now needs is the ability of sequential shifting as per the SRAM AXS 2x setup and you don’t have to work out what gear you need next!

  • @mrv.9327
    @mrv.9327 Pƙed 3 lety +50

    Sturmey Archer CS-RK3 with 3x9 setup gives me 81 gears. Works great on my bike packing/touring setup. It's been around for a while and isn't very expensive

    • @agunlogisteam
      @agunlogisteam Pƙed 3 lety +12

      What a madlad. Now imagine with Rohloff + pinion 😂😂😂

    • @mrv.9327
      @mrv.9327 Pƙed 3 lety

      @@agunlogisteam does that actually exist? I'd love a rohlhoff hub, but way out of my price range @_@

    • @whirving
      @whirving Pƙed 3 lety +3

      I have the older Sachs 3 x 7. Probably made by Sturmey Archer, not sure. Bike Friday used to spec them on most of their high end folding tour bikes. They are really durable and foolproof once set up properly.

    • @JohnR31415
      @JohnR31415 Pƙed 3 lety +3

      @@whirving dual drive wasn’t SA, but yes - everything new is old.

    • @mrv.9327
      @mrv.9327 Pƙed 3 lety

      Was it made before the buyout? I feel like the internals of the older sturmey archers are better quality than this. Although it's been a good hub for me

  • @elitedavidhorne8494
    @elitedavidhorne8494 Pƙed 3 lety +17

    I didn't want one, until I saw it. Now I definitely need one.

  • @PunchDrummer
    @PunchDrummer Pƙed 3 lety

    When I was in my teens (40+ years ago) I had a Schwinn with a 3-speed rear hub. All you had to do to change gears was step back slightly on the pedals. Not enough to engage the hub brake, but just a little. I thought it was so very, very cool mechanically. No electricity, no Bluetooth, etc. It was available in the '60's and it was awesome! Here it is again (kind-of), probably a whole lot more complicated. I really liked this shifting method over the alternative of a three-speed shifter on the handlebars. Anyone remember? :) Now I have a Trek Pedelec (Bosch mid-motor), and I'm in the same bicycle heaven again.

  • @richardaydon7692
    @richardaydon7692 Pƙed 3 lety

    That looks amazing Si and you look like one of the Yates twins in those extreme sunnies!

  • @Swarfega79
    @Swarfega79 Pƙed 3 lety +81

    Modern technology but still using Micro USB...

    • @metallusmelandril7380
      @metallusmelandril7380 Pƙed 3 lety +3

      LOL yes!

    • @idiachuk
      @idiachuk Pƙed 3 lety +1

      Yep, lets spec all the new stuff with less popular interfaces.

    • @Ed.R
      @Ed.R Pƙed 3 lety +2

      Why change stuff that works and it will probably only get used half a dozen times before the bike is upgraded anyway.

    • @otm646
      @otm646 Pƙed 3 lety +9

      @@idiachuk USB C has been the de facto standard for years now. I don't even know the last time I saw a micro USB cable around the house.

    • @dlevi67
      @dlevi67 Pƙed 3 lety +6

      @@otm646 USB-C spec was released in August of 2014 (IEC standard in 2016), so it's at most 6 years old (and much closer to 3 in reality). Plenty of older hardware still around - not everybody changes everything they own every other year. This said, yes, they definitely should have built in a USB-C port: it's more robust as well as being more recent.

  • @thomostash
    @thomostash Pƙed 3 lety +22

    At over 2k it needs some pretty big economies of scale to bring the price down to an acceptable level. Or a kit to fit to other carbon wheels.

    • @antonhelsgaun
      @antonhelsgaun Pƙed 3 lety

      Given that some people pay 10-15k for a bike, it doesn't seem that unreasonable sadly

  • @juliengroulx3096
    @juliengroulx3096 Pƙed 3 lety

    That uphill demo was sick

  • @chaincyclist2736
    @chaincyclist2736 Pƙed 3 lety +9

    I guess if there'd be a way to make a version that's controlled through cable tension, we'd probably be able to see more of these for casual riders.

  • @alicangul2603
    @alicangul2603 Pƙed 3 lety +71

    "Smart through-axle" these are the words I would have never expected to hear in my whole life. And I say this as an engineer designing IoT devices :)

  • @kedarkulkarni3030
    @kedarkulkarni3030 Pƙed 3 lety +24

    Really really need more videos like this

    • @popeye8364
      @popeye8364 Pƙed 3 lety +4

      What ads, with the benifit of more ads before during and after?

  • @soulboy78
    @soulboy78 Pƙed rokem

    Just thought I'd add a comment after some time has passed since the making of this video. I've just bought a Ridley Fenix Slic with RF50 Classified wheelset and system. Front chainring is a 46 tooth and rear cassette 11 x 34. This suits this 60 year old weekend rider and can say so far am loving it. Expensive of course but aren't all new bike days. Each to their own on what they want but it's a positive recommendation from me.

  • @marcng2655
    @marcng2655 Pƙed rokem

    Funny you should mention Andre Greipel. We were at Rouleur Live yesterday and your erstwhile colleague Matt Stephens interviewed Tom Boonen about Classified but also Greipel who is also an investor/ambassador! Best explanation of the system I've seen so far. 👍👍👍

  • @dariohug6669
    @dariohug6669 Pƙed 3 lety +66

    Imagine the looks of your mates when you climb an epic alpine climb in what seems to be a 50t chainring! :D

    • @gcntech
      @gcntech  Pƙed 3 lety +25

      😂 worth the investment for that alone!

    • @ryanotte6737
      @ryanotte6737 Pƙed 3 lety +19

      "How? The cadence is high on that big ring? What sorcery is this?"

    • @MAGAIVER
      @MAGAIVER Pƙed 3 lety +12

      @@ryanotte6737 just shrug and say you’ve been training more lately.

    • @ME-hm7zm
      @ME-hm7zm Pƙed 3 lety +1

      Sur la Plaque!

    • @sb-re7hz
      @sb-re7hz Pƙed 3 lety

      I run a 50T 1x with an 11-40 in the back so I do this everyday haha

  • @NLOsiris
    @NLOsiris Pƙed 3 lety +27

    "And I know this, because I googled it." Love these remarks.

  • @jswanson859
    @jswanson859 Pƙed 3 lety

    I really like this set up and hope to see manufacturers going in this direction. Simplicity.

  • @leonardhalls801
    @leonardhalls801 Pƙed 3 lety

    I am intrigued, Will be looking into this, Thanks Len Halls.

  • @andyamos8594
    @andyamos8594 Pƙed 3 lety +9

    One of the best ideas to appear of late! Bit pricey for many to be honest but lets hope it takes on! Brilliant!

    • @mikep1361
      @mikep1361 Pƙed 3 lety +1

      Well it includes a carbon wheel set... If those are any good (I'd hope they are) it's not that bad all things considered.

    • @einundsiebenziger5488
      @einundsiebenziger5488 Pƙed 3 lety

      Old idea (remember Sachs/Sram Dual Drive?), just cobined with wireless operation.

  • @christoph1246
    @christoph1246 Pƙed 3 lety +1

    I’ve got absolutely no idea how it works but looks cool!

  • @jaytmtb
    @jaytmtb Pƙed 3 lety +4

    I love everything about this, and the price will go down eventually so mere mortals can get to enjoy this
    As always great video

  • @Schlafanzugmen
    @Schlafanzugmen Pƙed 3 lety +26

    Congratulations you've rediscovered the typical hub gear.
    Btw this concept is something that you can find on bike from the 80s but withput this bluetooth stuff.

    • @Diesel249
      @Diesel249 Pƙed 3 lety +4

      I was thinking the same... It certainly looks similar to the old Sturmey Archer hubs from the outside

    • @bidipop1671
      @bidipop1671 Pƙed 3 lety +2

      @@Diesel249 I was thinking the same too, I own a bike that looks like a single speed but has a Sturmey-Archer hubs with two gears. The only thing is that you have to backpedal to switch gear witch can be unsafe sometimes.

    • @simonebaffelli9666
      @simonebaffelli9666 Pƙed 3 lety +2

      For example my early 90s cilo city bike comes with a Sachs Orbit two speed hub gear, on which a 6 speed freewheel is threaded. No front derailleur, good chainline and no dropped chains. Nothing is really new.

    • @robertunderdunkterwilliger2290
      @robertunderdunkterwilliger2290 Pƙed 2 lety +5

      @@Diesel249 Sachs had a lot of success with their 3x7 and I think they made a 3x9 also. It was made for a long time.

    • @30minuterides
      @30minuterides Pƙed 2 lety

      @@robertunderdunkterwilliger2290 still using a 3x7 on my Moulton , very reliable with updated sram shifters and mech

  • @nathanhobson1142
    @nathanhobson1142 Pƙed 3 lety +19

    GCN should invest in a emotorbike for on the go filming. No engine noise droning in the recordings and no petrol fumes for the presenters and more eco friendly. Win win win.

  • @kevbone4809
    @kevbone4809 Pƙed 2 lety +1

    This looks awesome. Would make a nice addition to XC mountain bikes as well. The ratios are way to big on the current 1x setups for the type of riding that I do.

  • @davehause8571
    @davehause8571 Pƙed 2 lety

    Wow. Brilliant! The future is now. I'm totally sold on this.

  • @andylock3247
    @andylock3247 Pƙed 3 lety +48

    I think to be a gamechanger it really has to be available at every price range and easy to fix/replace. Seems complicated and expensive, the beauty of the front deralier is its easy to swap or upgrade, easy to work on, easy to change chainring sizes for more options, don't need to do anything if I change wheelsets etc...

    • @nicktaylor7247
      @nicktaylor7247 Pƙed 3 lety +5

      Paid product placement

    • @whatwelearned
      @whatwelearned Pƙed 3 lety +7

      But that's not how new technology works. You give something like this time and eventually the masses can afford it. Does it work and make sense, that's the question.

    • @andylock3247
      @andylock3247 Pƙed 3 lety +1

      @@whatwelearned agreed, however will it ever be cheaper and as usable as what we have now? I guess time will tell.

    • @l.d.t.6327
      @l.d.t.6327 Pƙed 3 lety +1

      I can't see the logic it's easy to swap / work on a FD when you now have an alternative that doesn't even need maintenance / swapping / working on? You invent negatives that are simply erased with this solution: why would you need to change chainring sizes or swap wheelsets with a 0.7 front ratio and a 11-32 cassette and disc wheels that brake well in all weather circumstances?
      Expensive, yes, but within the (crazy) current market standards where each top end disc bike seems to cost close to 10 grant. Complicated? I don't know what is complicated about having no FD, and having close to no maintenance.

    • @whatwelearned
      @whatwelearned Pƙed 3 lety +1

      @@andylock3247 If it's currently 2k+ then it might be a while ha

  • @49er701
    @49er701 Pƙed 3 lety +15

    i'm ahead - already fitted my sturmey archer 3 speed hub. Got rid of two chain rings.

    • @fofopads4450
      @fofopads4450 Pƙed 3 lety

      can you mount a regular 10 or 11 speed cassette on it?

  • @alb.1911
    @alb.1911 Pƙed 3 lety

    Finally a new useful tech! Fantastic, love it!!!

  • @TheScramble8
    @TheScramble8 Pƙed 3 lety

    Very cool, I hope it takes off and the company has great success.

  • @swifty0000007
    @swifty0000007 Pƙed 3 lety +18

    Modern development of an old idea... i like it👍

    • @edmundscycles1
      @edmundscycles1 Pƙed 3 lety +1

      1950's saw the advent of the browning automatic gear for the front chainring . That was awesome

    • @frutt5k
      @frutt5k Pƙed 3 lety +2

      @@edmundscycles1 Don't forget the schlumpf mountaindrive

    • @oldcreaky
      @oldcreaky Pƙed 3 lety

      Three speed Stutmey Archer system fitted to my 1980's Raleigh Grifter comes to mind.

  • @b.c.y.d2443
    @b.c.y.d2443 Pƙed 3 lety +21

    love the content but damn the motorbike sound is killin the vibe

  • @jrustyshaffer5438
    @jrustyshaffer5438 Pƙed 3 lety

    Excellent review. You guys do a super job at reviewing products. Thank you. As a recreational road biker, I love the idea of taking the front derailleur completely out of the equation. Aside from m cost, not sure why this isn't on every rec road bike - or at least an option.

    • @rolandfrerichs5625
      @rolandfrerichs5625 Pƙed 2 lety

      For starters: because the hub alone costs more than the vast majority of complete bikes out there?

  • @dreimer2112
    @dreimer2112 Pƙed 3 lety +1

    This seems to have a lot going for it. It's something that may very well appear on my dream Ti bike build in 2023, after the early adopters have paid for the R&D! I love the aesthetics of a 1x setup, and this is even better because it doesn't require a pie-plate cassette.
    Saying that, the cost of the cassettes could be a concern for me. Hopefully if this catches on the cost won't be too prohibitive.

  • @-paulmp
    @-paulmp Pƙed 3 lety +172

    That set up costs more than my entire bike.. *sigh*

    • @tomahoks
      @tomahoks Pƙed 3 lety +5

      Yes, twice as much.

    • @dunigan3320
      @dunigan3320 Pƙed 3 lety +9

      It said it comes whit carbon wheels, some carbon wheel alone cost that.

    • @-paulmp
      @-paulmp Pƙed 3 lety +23

      @@dunigan3320 then some carbon wheels cost more than my entire bike.

    • @dunigan3320
      @dunigan3320 Pƙed 3 lety

      @@-paulmp yes

    • @markpalmer3071
      @markpalmer3071 Pƙed 3 lety +11

      The usual comment for all new bike tech.

  • @Ricobass0
    @Ricobass0 Pƙed 3 lety +6

    Will definitely catch on. However, at that price I won't be replacing my 3 (S-A) x 8 hybrid setup just yet... LOL

  • @jongoerke
    @jongoerke Pƙed 3 lety

    Wow, I really want this now. Would be so awesome on my 1x gravel setup. Currently running a 9-46 e13 cassette to get the range I want for my 11 speed derailleur. Would love to have the closer gear ratios I have on my road bike AND get the big spread AND not have a front derailleur. Cool stuff. Thanks for the video.

  • @grazza-cm8oj
    @grazza-cm8oj Pƙed 3 lety +4

    Looks very promising. My main concern (apart from overall price) would be the proprietary nature of the cassette.

  • @davidjones4242
    @davidjones4242 Pƙed 3 lety +4

    Brilliant! When will the MTB version be available?

  • @markmitchenall5948
    @markmitchenall5948 Pƙed 3 lety +10

    As a Brompton 6 speed rider, that has hub gear and rear derailleur, just glad that big wheeled bikes have caught up! ;-)
    I love this though. Would 100% convert me to 1x on big wheeled bike. If it were only a little cheaper!

    • @lesflynn4455
      @lesflynn4455 Pƙed 3 lety +1

      Give it a few years and it'll probably be the go mate.

  • @rodscher28
    @rodscher28 Pƙed 3 lety +1

    I like the concept of the hub very much! Would give it a try or - even better - a go!

  • @regisbrose4117
    @regisbrose4117 Pƙed 3 lety

    The Ridley Kanzo Fast is just gorgeous

  • @aerobrain2001
    @aerobrain2001 Pƙed 3 lety +4

    This linked with syncro shift would be awesome!

    • @PatrikStutz
      @PatrikStutz Pƙed 3 lety

      Yeah! At best it could be connected to the Di2 bus and also draw power from there.

  • @AndrewGrease
    @AndrewGrease Pƙed 3 lety +70

    It would be awesome if sram adapted this under AXS - you'd have 1 shifter and it could smart shift through the range

    • @teundilles
      @teundilles Pƙed 3 lety +3

      Given they already have something similar with the dual drive hub, this could be a possibility.

    • @theRealDavidn
      @theRealDavidn Pƙed 3 lety +2

      Sram all the way

    • @ChromeLuxx
      @ChromeLuxx Pƙed 3 lety +3

      @@theRealDavidn Except for the poor quality when compared to the top two (Shimano & Campy) and operational issues.

    • @jamsxr
      @jamsxr Pƙed 3 lety +1

      @@ChromeLuxx agreed

    • @AndrewGrease
      @AndrewGrease Pƙed 3 lety +6

      @@ChromeLuxx I might be biased - ridding sram for 3 years now, 0 issues

  • @hugocarvalho1831
    @hugocarvalho1831 Pƙed 3 lety

    It remembers me of when Truvativ came out with the Hammerschmidt, on what I believe was a first attempt to bring a one by setup to the market. I had one on my Mondraker Prayer, it was incredible to ride, no electronics though and heavy as F#, but it was built to last !

  • @jonathanspring7051
    @jonathanspring7051 Pƙed 3 lety

    Great Vid - very interesting tech, bet we start to see this on lots more bikes

  • @nadsv93
    @nadsv93 Pƙed 3 lety +9

    They used to laugh at out internal speed hubs, but look at them now

  • @philipcooper8297
    @philipcooper8297 Pƙed 3 lety +8

    Ollie needs this! And an e-motor in the hub wouldn't hurt his performance either.

  • @alanbengtson2774
    @alanbengtson2774 Pƙed 3 lety

    I would love this hub for my cyclocross/gravel bike! 22 gears on a one-by set-up, awesome!

  • @pablomarquez4431
    @pablomarquez4431 Pƙed 2 lety +1

    I already removed my front derailleur and modified my chain ring to a single speed with a 48T and kept my rear 11spd 11-32. I love my set up. Been fine for 2 yrs like this.

  • @jascollinscork
    @jascollinscork Pƙed 3 lety +4

    Ooooh Si in a video!!! And getting his hands on some cool Tech!!! Wonder what the bike is under that paint job.... !!! Looks and sounds class I’d buy it!!

  • @TheGerm24
    @TheGerm24 Pƙed 3 lety +3

    I haven't used a front derailleur for a few years now, but I don't need the widest range of gears. 1-by works well for me.

  • @richardsandoval9349
    @richardsandoval9349 Pƙed 3 lety

    Like always say let wait and see more time and the competition will bring it to perfection

  • @ParhelionMedia
    @ParhelionMedia Pƙed 3 lety +1

    Where is this segment filmed? Beautiful locations and cool new tech.

  • @magnusmandel
    @magnusmandel Pƙed 3 lety +33

    Combine it with a front derailleur for a 4x setup.

    • @miranassy2759
      @miranassy2759 Pƙed 3 lety

      Genius

    • @DrunkieCat
      @DrunkieCat Pƙed 3 lety +1

      Isn't better to just add another gear on the hub? Kinda complicate things more isn't it. So essentially it's a 3x or even a 4x if it's possible.

    • @user-ko5kk9ud8k
      @user-ko5kk9ud8k Pƙed 3 lety

      @@DrunkieCat i guess if you play around with the ratios right you can get an extremely wide range of gears

    • @DrunkieCat
      @DrunkieCat Pƙed 3 lety +1

      @@user-ko5kk9ud8k Exactly, that's what I was thinking. You don't need a wide range casette or even a 13 speed. Get an 8 speed and you can easily achieve the same thing or probably better. With syncroshift you can easily make it a thing, let the tech do the calculation.

    • @Stoney3K
      @Stoney3K Pƙed 3 lety

      Using 3 shifters?

  • @KaijuAlert
    @KaijuAlert Pƙed 3 lety +118

    I took about 60 seconds to reach the "shut up and take my money" stage 😂

    • @einundsiebenziger5488
      @einundsiebenziger5488 Pƙed 3 lety +2

      Save your money and buy a used Sachs Orbit or Sram-Sachs Dual-Drive hub. This idea is over 30 years old and was in production until the mid 2000s when the latest iteration with 3x9 gears was taken off the market.

    • @andrewnorris5415
      @andrewnorris5415 Pƙed 3 lety +2

      "If you ask the price you cannot afford it, sir".

  • @kennethwise7108
    @kennethwise7108 Pƙed 2 lety

    Wow, impressive!! What an invention!

  • @ReneB099
    @ReneB099 Pƙed 2 lety

    Modern improvement on what I used back in the 60s👍 I had a Sturmey Archer 3sp hub mated with 3sp rear derailleur. Proved to be very reliable and effective system (no duplicate ratios).

    • @racketman2u
      @racketman2u Pƙed 2 lety +1

      OMG that's what I thought of when I saw this video, it seems like a great idea.

  • @Realciderreviews
    @Realciderreviews Pƙed 3 lety +3

    Put it on disc wheel for a cool TT setup

  • @jasonoftheworld6996
    @jasonoftheworld6996 Pƙed 3 lety +23

    SI BACK AT THE TECH CHANNEL

  • @bobbyellis5006
    @bobbyellis5006 Pƙed 3 lety

    Really loving the Top Gear vibe on this video.

  • @johnking3863
    @johnking3863 Pƙed 3 lety

    Often wondered about fitting a cassette to a sturmey-archer hub when I was a kid. Should’ve tried it :)

  • @R500JPH
    @R500JPH Pƙed 3 lety +7

    Genius! What a brilliant system. Can’t see any downside other than the cost and the proprietary cassette requirements. I’m sure this will change over time though as it’s adopted by more bike manufacturers Another great video as always GCN 👍

    • @otm646
      @otm646 Pƙed 3 lety +1

      Planetaries have been around for a very long time, the reason they haven't been used in modern cycling applications is because the mechanical drag is substantially higher.
      I guarantee you this system comes at a weight and efficiency detriment.

    • @hogdog567
      @hogdog567 Pƙed 3 lety

      @@otm646 difference is that this is a two speed planetary gear system which massively reduces the negative aspects you mentioned.

    • @dlevi67
      @dlevi67 Pƙed 3 lety

      @@otm646 Which is not what they (Classified) say. Obviously. Not that any of this is hard to measure in a decent lab...

    • @rcg9573
      @rcg9573 Pƙed rokem

      Yeah, and about a 10% loss in efficiency versus a conventional 2X set up. Brilliant. LOL

    • @rcg9573
      @rcg9573 Pƙed rokem

      @@hogdog567 Wrong. This system will likely run at about 10% less efficiency that a classic 2X set up just due to the internalized hub gears. Add in more inefficiency due to the extreme chain angles the chain is at whenever it is near the lower or upper gears of the rear cassette in this 1X set up and you are talking about a large loss of power. There is a reason why no pros or serious amateurs ride internalized gear rear hubs.

  • @Fenris1on1
    @Fenris1on1 Pƙed 3 lety +6

    Oldschool technic in new packeging!

  • @SebBrosig
    @SebBrosig Pƙed 3 lety

    I had one of those, maybe 1982 I got a bike equipped with "Sachs Commander/Orbit" group. No wireless shifting and only 6 speed cassette bit still, same idea. Was my pride and joy and still is. I ride the same bike to this day every day, obviously replaced parts over time including the frame, by now there is not a washer left from when I was 15. Still the same bike though, never bought a new one since. Oh and when the frame broke the first time it was time to get a proper front derailleur.

  • @Joshualbm
    @Joshualbm Pƙed 3 lety

    That's the coolest drivetrain technology I've seen come along since STI.

  • @MellowYellowCJ7
    @MellowYellowCJ7 Pƙed 3 lety +4

    A belt drive "single speed" would be pretty cool!

    • @erroneousbee
      @erroneousbee Pƙed 3 lety

      I'm thinking put this in an electric, with another planetary gear in the BB, add wireless charging via magnets, and you can lose all the cables and run everything off the battery.

  • @pmiller7886
    @pmiller7886 Pƙed 3 lety +11

    Si and Lloydy have the most refined voice deliveries on GCN. There is a reason I like to listen to English spoken by those from England... it just sounds as it was intended to sound. Cheers Si!

  • @RobWhittlestone
    @RobWhittlestone Pƙed 3 lety

    Superb innovation. It sounds like they have nailed it. Possibly most economical on a new bike. Great innovation - and the icing on the cake is displaying your gears on your smartphone!

  • @joegamas1194
    @joegamas1194 Pƙed 2 lety

    This is awesome, I’m definitely looking in to it, hopefully my favorite bike dealer is an authorize dealer

  • @vincenttichenor8373
    @vincenttichenor8373 Pƙed 3 lety +9

    For people who don’t want 1x, this would also open up great opportunities to retrofit 1x specific frames such as the 3T Strada (I know the Due exists) or the Allied Able.

    • @BrOnXaS
      @BrOnXaS Pƙed 3 lety

      I am riding 3T Strada 1x and 50T 11-36 setup is not versatile enough. This is definitely a wonderful solution in this regard!

    • @slippycam
      @slippycam Pƙed 3 lety

      Yeah this feels perfect for the Able

  • @paulgallagher2937
    @paulgallagher2937 Pƙed 3 lety +5

    I'm surprised its not been done before. It's actually nothing new, Brompton been doing it for decades. Just needed to adapt to a road hub

    • @nstrug
      @nstrug Pƙed 3 lety +2

      It's been done plenty before. It used to be common with tourers - use a triple chainring and combine with a Sturmey -Archer 3 speed hub.

  • @RicardoMNogueiraMendes
    @RicardoMNogueiraMendes Pƙed 3 lety +1

    The item you just saw was automatically ADDED to your wish list ...! ;-)

  • @sneakyfox4651
    @sneakyfox4651 Pƙed 3 lety

    In the 1990s I had a friend who was touring a lot on a shoe-string budget. His bike was a steel frame with a Sachs gear system with a six-speed cassette and a cable-oprated rear hub Hi/Lo function. Very reliable, but it negated the quickrelease. However, after he chose to tour with a quite heavy home-built cart, I retrofitted the bike with two chain rings and a front derailleur, giving him 12 extra gears. He toured most of Poland at least once on that bike.
    As smart, efficient and durable this Classified hub gear appears to be, I'm so old-school that I find that a bicycle that cannot operate without electricity isn't a *genuine* bicycle. For me, it's a no-no to electric shifters and BT hubs. I want steel cables, even though they are slower and less precise.
    I don't mind the experimentation, though, because it has brought many benefits to cycling, even for me, like clipless pedals and ceramic rims (I know, my Open Pro Ceramics are laterally soft as melting ice cream, but they brake like nothing else in wet weather).