Damn I almost nailed my guess on the new add-ons to the bow. Great job Bowtech for adding the reckoning adjustable grip and the cams with timing. Only surprise I had was the sight pocket which as you said MFJJ adding that pica-tinny rail. Thank you MFJJ for a great bow review as always.
@jons7e I couldn’t agree more with you. Popping clips off my Hoyt then dealing with the spacer in order to shim cams is a pain. My Bowtech is a breeze to tune. Bowtech owns the market IMO.
I don't think it's that big of a deal. Shim or tilt the cams once and you probably don't need to do it again until the next string change. I buy the bow for how it shoots after it's tuned. As long as it has the range of adjustment needed, it doesn't bother me.
@@YoureSoVane99% of shops are not tuning your bow to its best. They can't, and it would require customers to be a good shot. Fixed blade broadhead users should be looking at tunable w/o a press bows.
Coincidental that today I shot the Core SS and found this review. Thanks for laying it out in a way I can relate with the specs vs related opinion. Funny how the draw cycle, vibration and tunability were my most noticed three takeaways after I shot it. Thanks for your review. Very helpful.
Like this format! Especially with the heavier arrows. Guys get an exact starting point to figure out what they’ll get compared to what they have now with those other arrow weights in there.
I'm really leaning toward Bowtech for my next bow... I love that adjustability compared to my Prime or anything the other big names in archery are making. Then to hear they give a discount to the Troops just sealed the deal 🙌
Hey dude. Just came across your channel after I pulled out my old bow and have started to get back into it. Love the bow reviews! I'm gonna need to upgrade from my 2012 Martin silencer one of these days!
I have been a Mathews guy historically, but I don't want to be one those guys who just buys a name. I liked the ATA on this bow and all the features Bowtech has that no one else has. I tuned this bow in my living room and had it shooting a bullet hole within an hour. My Mathews VXR never quite tune, even after changing top hats many times. You cannot beat this thing. The draw is butter, it tunes very easily, and shoots awesome.
It's me. I don't understand why a little vibration is an issue. Honestly, I don't know if my bow vibrates. Of course it does but I just don't pay attention to it. And to pay a bunch of money for a meter seems kinda silly. I told you it's just me.
Well from my experience I’ve owned a bowtech revolt for 5 years now… 2 years ago I bought a V3… I hated it! The vibration on it was so much compared to my revolt j sold the V3 2 weeks later. Most likely gonna buy this SS as my second bow now :)
I had a V3x so I had no clue what vibration was then I shot a pse 34 and felt it for the first time and it wasn’t anything crazy. People make vibration seem like it’s the end of the world but it’s zero issue imo. Throw a stabilizer on and you’re okay
I'm not a BowTech guy but I am impressed. @podium archer on the pic mount, I agree with you it would be nice to have more options, maybe!!!!! tell the rep at BowTech moving forward keep the "core" mounting option and add a predrilled and tapped (above/ below the core" so an archer could add a pic mount over the "core" mounting option if he or she chose to.
I'm glad they brought the micro-adjust cam timing to other bows in the lineup. The CORE system, just like the Bridgelock on Mathews, and the Picatinny rail mounts, is dumb, in my opinion. It provides Clearance for a low-profile quiver, but sights are not designed to sit further in on the riser, so the mounting bar has to be offset and the body of the sight has to sit where it would have otherwise sat if it was bolted to the side of the riser. Otherwise you may run out of windage, depending on how well your bow is tuned. So until they start making sights that are designed to sit in front of the riser (which will exclude a huge percentage of the market) then it's just a money grab so sight manufacturers can make money on upgrades to older models of their products.
Great video! I love my SS34, but Its chewed through the factory strings and now a Winners choice strings...I'm hoping to get through the hunting season...what's the deal with the cam ripping through strings? I hope it's been corrected in the Core.
I picked one up a couple of weeks ago. I am currently shooting at 60# with a 29.5" draw and a 350 grain arrow & am getting 300-304 fps. Nice bump over my Carbon Icon which was shooting at 284 fps at the same poundage, but the bow was maxed out. The Core SS is turned all the way down, so I can gradually go up in poundage. Thinking I'll keep the Carbon Icon, as it's a nice & light rig. Also makes a great backup bow that has served me well.
I currently own a realm ss and will probably upgrade to the current ss when I upgrade lol but must kill something first my hunting time is limited and this year’s hunt was fun but I’m eating tag soup this year lol I love the reviews you do it makes you look at everything I’m not a brand name guy I shoot what feels good to me
@engineerz_hero6771 The use of 😅 means I am slightly taking the piss... but what I'm saying is built off recent events. I guess predominantly the reason is, from my perspective, we're the recent staff changes. There's definitely some unhappy people and I'm not just talking about Tim and Kyle. Another extremely high profile Target archer who you probably don't know unless you followed the world archery scene in the early 2000s was also extremely displeased with Bowtech.
5:03 The Orbit Dampener itself (without mounting bolt) weights 48.8 grams / 1.72oz each. The pair weights 97.6 grams / 3.44oz. I didn't weight the mounting lug but I would estimate it's 40-50% the weight of the damper. Calculated at 40% figure another 1.38oz for the pair for a total hardware weight of 4.82oz or just over 1/4lb added bow weight. Some people get a metallic ring from their Bowtech's Orbit Dampers which provide little to no damping, as evidenced by this channel. So, if you're looking to offset sight and quiver mass, you'll likely do it more effectively and with less overall addition of weight, with a side bar or offset front bar.
I checked out the new review videos and I think the vibration meter is reading a higher count when you hit the back wall on your draw cycle vs the actual shot in some of the bows. I think you should have someone reset the vibration meter when you are at full draw to mitigate false readings. Other than that great new review setup 👍
Noticed this as well. During the 3rd shot of the vibration test I noted he got the 10 reading while hitting the back wall, but only 8 during the shot. Meaning the meter showed a 10, but that max was hit during the draw not the shot.
This is definitely going to be my next bow for sure. Getting rid of the phase 4 for the SS. Getting old now and want something not as aggressive to draw back. And id like to be able to tune my own bow
Just out of curiosity you should also test the sound with a heavy arrow just to see if it actually quiets the bow further… I have no idea if it would but it would be interesting to see
Josh, you're great at answering my questions so please answer this one. Sometimes when you draw with the scale you are looking away, can I ask why? For reference the first time you draw this bow in this video you are looking away from the bow
I been a Mathews shooter for 5 years now and I really liked the ss350 last year but wasn't crazy about the 34 in axle to axle but I'm really liking this bow alot
I never understood what yall meant with "dead in the hand" "vibration" and all the other descriptions yall gave on flagship bows. I bought this bow today, thanks in part to this review. I've only owned cheaper bows. I understand now lol
Hey Mr. MFJJ, I am hoping you can answer this question for me. In regards to the ATA measurement, how do the different manufacturers take that measurement? When reading a print a person would notice 3 basic types of measurement ITI = inside to inside CTC = center to center OTO = outside to outside For a people who work on bows ATA(axle to axle) should be the same as ITI(inside to inside), if so, ATA would be bottom of top axle to top of bottom axle. Also, is the brace measurement the same if you use the berger hole.
I'm deciding between the Eva Gen 3 and this bow. I'm not comfortable with the ATA of 28" on the Eva, and my draw length is 26". The Bowtech website indicates the minimum draw on this bow is 26", but you mention 26.5" in the video. I live in an area where I'll have to ask my local shop to order one of these in for me and at a 50 pound draw weight, I need to be sure the specs will fit me as my shop may have trouble selling this bow to another person. I would really appreciate clarification on this point.
0:42 I kind of doubt that the "CORE" namesake for 2024 line of bows is describing the through riser sight bar receptacle, which they've already named "CenterMass." Bowtech will almost certainly be implementing this feature on other models that will not be named CORE.
Great testing routine, love the format, informative it is! But still i would like to know what kind (brand?) of lighted nocks that are? seems more effecient than a Nockturnal!
Hi there A really wierd question Say you were gonna change the cams on the last years SS34 Would the cams on the core SS or SR fit the SS34 And how would it impact the bow? Would i mess with draw lengh, would it impact how long the string would need too be? From my understanding the cams seems almost identical Would love too know as i need too replace my SS34 cam do too me being a dumbass ^^
Comment: I believe you should put a bow into spec, tune it then do the testing. It is not done at the factory... assembly line people putting strings on them don't care if the ata is correct or if the brace is correct..that's for techs. Then all the test will be accurate
Just like when he did the Elite review and turned the limb bolts without unlocking the pockets. That's why it took him forever to get the DW set correctly. Smh
Josh, thanks for doing these reviews and breakdowns. I know it’s a ton of work but we appreciate and need it.
Dude. These reviews youve been doing are helping so many people. Absolutely love it.
Your reviews are always objective and straight forward. Awesome as usual.
Damn I almost nailed my guess on the new add-ons to the bow. Great job Bowtech for adding the reckoning adjustable grip and the cams with timing. Only surprise I had was the sight pocket which as you said MFJJ adding that pica-tinny rail. Thank you MFJJ for a great bow review as always.
It's crazy how many features they can put on the Bowtech, and yet you have other companies with much larger marketshare that are falling so far behind
I wouldn’t say far behind. There’s things that work and things that are gimmicks.
@jons7e I couldn’t agree more with you. Popping clips off my Hoyt then dealing with the spacer in order to shim cams is a pain. My Bowtech is a breeze to tune. Bowtech owns the market IMO.
I don't think it's that big of a deal. Shim or tilt the cams once and you probably don't need to do it again until the next string change. I buy the bow for how it shoots after it's tuned. As long as it has the range of adjustment needed, it doesn't bother me.
@@briank4533😂😂😂😂 Bowtech owns the Market
@@YoureSoVane99% of shops are not tuning your bow to its best. They can't, and it would require customers to be a good shot. Fixed blade broadhead users should be looking at tunable w/o a press bows.
Coincidental that today I shot the Core SS and found this review. Thanks for laying it out in a way I can relate with the specs vs related opinion. Funny how the draw cycle, vibration and tunability were my most noticed three takeaways after I shot it. Thanks for your review. Very helpful.
How did you find the speed mod mate?
Format is great! Makes shopping for a new bow a lot easier. Look forward to the vids. Keep going.
Definitely the most in depth and honest review I've seen so far. Great format on the review. Straight to the point but still giving all the info. 👍👍👍
I bought my ss this morning! loving it, plus wife got new eva in that awesome green.!
Military guys make sure to mention this to your dealer! 15% off is substantial! Thanks for your service.
Like this format! Especially with the heavier arrows. Guys get an exact starting point to figure out what they’ll get compared to what they have now with those other arrow weights in there.
I'm really leaning toward Bowtech for my next bow... I love that adjustability compared to my Prime or anything the other big names in archery are making. Then to hear they give a discount to the Troops just sealed the deal 🙌
You will not be disappointed. That’s all I can say
Got one a week ago, I love it.
Hey dude. Just came across your channel after I pulled out my old bow and have started to get back into it. Love the bow reviews! I'm gonna need to upgrade from my 2012 Martin silencer one of these days!
I have been a Mathews guy historically, but I don't want to be one those guys who just buys a name. I liked the ATA on this bow and all the features Bowtech has that no one else has. I tuned this bow in my living room and had it shooting a bullet hole within an hour. My Mathews VXR never quite tune, even after changing top hats many times. You cannot beat this thing. The draw is butter, it tunes very easily, and shoots awesome.
It's me. I don't understand why a little vibration is an issue. Honestly, I don't know if my bow vibrates. Of course it does but I just don't pay attention to it. And to pay a bunch of money for a meter seems kinda silly. I told you it's just me.
Well from my experience I’ve owned a bowtech revolt for 5 years now… 2 years ago I bought a V3… I hated it! The vibration on it was so much compared to my revolt j sold the V3 2 weeks later. Most likely gonna buy this SS as my second bow now :)
I had a V3x so I had no clue what vibration was then I shot a pse 34 and felt it for the first time and it wasn’t anything crazy. People make vibration seem like it’s the end of the world but it’s zero issue imo. Throw a stabilizer on and you’re okay
I'm not a BowTech guy but I am impressed. @podium archer on the pic mount, I agree with you it would be nice to have more options, maybe!!!!! tell the rep at BowTech moving forward keep the "core" mounting option and add a predrilled and tapped (above/ below the core" so an archer could add a pic mount over the "core" mounting option if he or she chose to.
I'm glad they brought the micro-adjust cam timing to other bows in the lineup.
The CORE system, just like the Bridgelock on Mathews, and the Picatinny rail mounts, is dumb, in my opinion. It provides Clearance for a low-profile quiver, but sights are not designed to sit further in on the riser, so the mounting bar has to be offset and the body of the sight has to sit where it would have otherwise sat if it was bolted to the side of the riser. Otherwise you may run out of windage, depending on how well your bow is tuned.
So until they start making sights that are designed to sit in front of the riser (which will exclude a huge percentage of the market) then it's just a money grab so sight manufacturers can make money on upgrades to older models of their products.
Great video! I love my SS34, but Its chewed through the factory strings and now a Winners choice strings...I'm hoping to get through the hunting season...what's the deal with the cam ripping through strings? I hope it's been corrected in the Core.
I picked one up a couple of weeks ago. I am currently shooting at 60# with a 29.5" draw and a 350 grain arrow & am getting 300-304 fps. Nice bump over my Carbon Icon which was shooting at 284 fps at the same poundage, but the bow was maxed out. The Core SS is turned all the way down, so I can gradually go up in poundage. Thinking I'll keep the Carbon Icon, as it's a nice & light rig. Also makes a great backup bow that has served me well.
I used their mil discount program earlier this year on a Reckogning gen 2. Ill likely do the same for this core ss. Good video, keep em coming.
I currently own a realm ss and will probably upgrade to the current ss when I upgrade lol but must kill something first my hunting time is limited and this year’s hunt was fun but I’m eating tag soup this year lol I love the reviews you do it makes you look at everything I’m not a brand name guy I shoot what feels good to me
Awesome review, I'm measuring my specs right now.❤
Bowtech is hands down my favorite bow and I was a Mathews guy for a long time but no more.
Good lord...this bow would be PERFECT here in Louisiana and East Texas...I'm drooling...
Thank you for testing these in performance, most will not do that.
Bowtech has been killing it on the features and feel. I still shoot my Carbon knight and have never felt the need to “upgrade” till these new Bowtechs
They've also been killing their reputation😅🙃
(As per usual folks don't take this literally... the 😅 was used for a reason)
@@liamboyle9199 how so?
Interesting. How are they killing their reputation?
@engineerz_hero6771
The use of 😅 means I am slightly taking the piss... but what I'm saying is built off recent events.
I guess predominantly the reason is, from my perspective, we're the recent staff changes. There's definitely some unhappy people and I'm not just talking about Tim and Kyle.
Another extremely high profile Target archer who you probably don't know unless you followed the world archery scene in the early 2000s was also extremely displeased with Bowtech.
5:03 The Orbit Dampener itself (without mounting bolt) weights 48.8 grams / 1.72oz each. The pair weights 97.6 grams / 3.44oz. I didn't weight the mounting lug but I would estimate it's 40-50% the weight of the damper. Calculated at 40% figure another 1.38oz for the pair for a total hardware weight of 4.82oz or just over 1/4lb added bow weight. Some people get a metallic ring from their Bowtech's Orbit Dampers which provide little to no damping, as evidenced by this channel. So, if you're looking to offset sight and quiver mass, you'll likely do it more effectively and with less overall addition of weight, with a side bar or offset front bar.
Thanks for all the info, I am dying to try this and the CORE SR. An easy to tune bow so I can really start to play in my new retirement addiction.
Bowtech is from Houston, TX so I’m glad they are making archery great again! Good job
Wow… All this time I thought they were from Eugene Oregon
What are you talking about? Texas? Bowtech is on the West coast 😊
Definitely homeported in Oregon…lol
Awesome review. I'm hoping to get a Bowtech for my next one. Keep the videos coming.
I checked out the new review videos and I think the vibration meter is reading a higher count when you hit the back wall on your draw cycle vs the actual shot in some of the bows. I think you should have someone reset the vibration meter when you are at full draw to mitigate false readings. Other than that great new review setup 👍
Noticed this as well. During the 3rd shot of the vibration test I noted he got the 10 reading while hitting the back wall, but only 8 during the shot. Meaning the meter showed a 10, but that max was hit during the draw not the shot.
Thank you, i enjoy the new format.
Bowtech is Knocking on heavens Door with this series.
It looked like (especially on the last shot of the vibration test) that the highest vibration number comes during the draw cycle, not the shot.
This is definitely going to be my next bow for sure. Getting rid of the phase 4 for the SS. Getting old now and want something not as aggressive to draw back. And id like to be able to tune my own bow
Beautiful Bow. Job well done
Have pleasantly had a Bowtech for 6yrs, was looking for upgrade until now; not looking any further, thanks for MF-awesome thorough review!
There slogan is refuse to follow well that sight setup seems to say different
Do you know if they are going to offer the new cams for the SS34 or reengineered the current cams to integrate the timing adjustment?
You should compare the Solution SS to the Core SS.
Maybe someone could produce a picatinny mount adapter that inserts into the CORE system.
Bowtech DOES NOT have a military discount. Called them yesterday. They defer to the dealer for any discounts.
Great review! Honest and accurate, sure appreciate it. 👍
Love the reviews but you missed the back half of the draw length 26.5 to what?
"All in all this bow is pretty F*in awesome" Yeah, I love my cp30. Whitetail maneuverability. I'll be holding for a few years.
Just out of curiosity you should also test the sound with a heavy arrow just to see if it actually quiets the bow further… I have no idea if it would but it would be interesting to see
Awesome review thanks for the info.
This will be my bow for next year. I hope to make a trip out west early next year to get it from SVA.
Josh, you're great at answering my questions so please answer this one. Sometimes when you draw with the scale you are looking away, can I ask why? For reference the first time you draw this bow in this video you are looking away from the bow
Man bowtech is coming on strong. Best shirt to do a review in also
Please bring back the riser measurements.
Love the new format and.....holy shit this bow.....man, i gotta go try one out.
I think a great video would be to check how much different arrow weights affect vibration on different bows
I been a Mathews shooter for 5 years now and I really liked the ss350 last year but wasn't crazy about the 34 in axle to axle but I'm really liking this bow alot
Core SS or the SS34 which would you prefer?
I never understood what yall meant with "dead in the hand" "vibration" and all the other descriptions yall gave on flagship bows. I bought this bow today, thanks in part to this review. I've only owned cheaper bows. I understand now lol
Hey Mr. MFJJ, I am hoping you can answer this question for me. In regards to the ATA measurement, how do the different manufacturers take that measurement?
When reading a print a person would notice 3 basic types of measurement
ITI = inside to inside
CTC = center to center
OTO = outside to outside
For a people who work on bows ATA(axle to axle) should be the same as ITI(inside to inside), if so, ATA would be bottom of top axle to top of bottom axle.
Also, is the brace measurement the same if you use the berger hole.
Love my Bowtech sr6! I wish I could afford one of the new ones.
Love my SR6 too!
I'm deciding between the Eva Gen 3 and this bow. I'm not comfortable with the ATA of 28" on the Eva, and my draw length is 26". The Bowtech website indicates the minimum draw on this bow is 26", but you mention 26.5" in the video. I live in an area where I'll have to ask my local shop to order one of these in for me and at a 50 pound draw weight, I need to be sure the specs will fit me as my shop may have trouble selling this bow to another person.
I would really appreciate clarification on this point.
I love your enfo great job thanks
Is it just where the camera is but it sounded a little loud
0:42 I kind of doubt that the "CORE" namesake for 2024 line of bows is describing the through riser sight bar receptacle, which they've already named "CenterMass." Bowtech will almost certainly be implementing this feature on other models that will not be named CORE.
Great review . Roughly how much speed would be lost with a peep installed ???
Do you know riser length
MFJJ with the best reviews on youtube
What’s the riser length…?
Looks like a great bow!
I am going to ask if you can do the vibration test without the dampeners?😊 core S S
Love the video Josh
Thank god there is timeloc on the hunting bows now! Finally!!
They should make a Core bar with a pic rail in the front, problem solved :)
It would be cool to see this vs Athens Axxis 33, Athen 7 inch brace height might be to much to pass up
Thank you.
Great testing routine, love the format, informative it is! But still i would like to know what kind (brand?) of lighted nocks that are? seems more effecient than a Nockturnal!
He's shooting halo knocks I just started using them great not having to use the tool or a knife to shutoff 4:39
@@jerrykinder2551 Thanks!
I guess I gotta get a new bowtech. I'm in Kansas with my ss34 right now!!
Just make a pic front sight adapter that uses the dove tail feature. So a Black Gold dove tail rail with a picatinny rail on end.
It’s because of Josh that I can’t buy a bow.. ever time I think I want one I see another review 😢😅😂
Bowtech is definitely getting close to having their SS turn into ⚡⚡. Those soft edges save the day. 🤣
Did the Justice not get to dealers yet?
You talk about bowtech military discount. Do you have one in store.
Hi there
A really wierd question
Say you were gonna change the cams on the last years SS34
Would the cams on the core SS or SR fit the SS34
And how would it impact the bow?
Would i mess with draw lengh, would it impact how long the string would need too be?
From my understanding the cams seems almost identical
Would love too know as i need too replace my SS34 cam do too me being a dumbass ^^
Comment: I believe you should put a bow into spec, tune it then do the testing. It is not done at the factory... assembly line people putting strings on them don't care if the ata is correct or if the brace is correct..that's for techs. Then all the test will be accurate
Hi Mfkk I love your review is there anyway to review the bow tech justice
You could’ve reviewed a paper bag after that Darton and it would’ve sold
I have a CP28 currently but I might need to upgrade to this
LOVE Bowtech!!! Does this bow have standard sight mounting holes?
Yes
@@douglasvaughn9530 hey, are you the Douglas that helped me with the mounting screws for the RL-1 quiver?
How about the new quiver?
Are the Bowtech engineers ok with adjusting poundage then loosening the locking set screws then retightening?
Just like when he did the Elite review and turned the limb bolts without unlocking the pockets. That's why it took him forever to get the DW set correctly. Smh
Pretty fuckin awesome !! Hard to argue with that.
Man are all sights going to be bow specific with core/bridge lock
Great stuff
Now will this bow still accept a normal side mount sight ? You do not have to use the integrated one correct ?
You can still mount on the side. That's how he mounted the vibe test thingy.
Josh where are you located?
has anyone herd if they are planning on making an 80 pound version like most years?
Does anyone know if they will update the cam on the SS34 to this deadlock cam ?
Bowtech has everyone beat as a whole? Change my mind? I own a carbon one 70lb, a solution 60lb and just purchased a core SS in Kuiu 70lb.
😍👍👍👍👍👍👍
Is the speed test on the comfort, or performance mod?
Performance 🤙
Is there any bows that actually get the speeds they offer?
Nope
Dang, if they make a longer version I might have to trade in the Mathews.....
They do. See Core SR.
@@joshstevens9528 you are right, I thought the SR was the shorter of the two models