How To Roll Your Guitar Fretboard Edge
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How To Roll Your Fretboard Edge
I worked at ESP Guitars in North Hollywood California and we would use this technique for artists if they wanted this done.
It also works on guitars with binding.
I found some 400 grit sanding sponges that i just run up and down the edge and it leaves a gentle radius on the edge and dresses the fretboard and frets at the same time. It really does leave a very nice finished product.
This is the way.
Also my preferred method
Mineax makes wipe on poly . If the neck has a finish , you can use Phil’s technique and then carefully wipe on some poly to hide the lighter color . You could also use gun oil.
Me too.
Lovely explanation. I taught luthiery for a decade and this is a really solid "starter for ten". Keep doing these as there are a lot less shops for people to take their guitar to...
Absolutely excellent!!! So helpful.
I have been waiting for this particular one for a couple of years.
Thank you Phil
As always, a very nicely done video. Thanks Phil......
One of my favorite CZcams Channels! Always, down to Earth! Thanks For Sharing 🧠🎸🎶🎶🎶🎶🎶🎶🎶
Phil doing Phil stuff!! Love it!
Another great video for us to watch and learn from thanks Phil
If you can't find the razor blade he's using, it's because it's not a razor blade, it's a refill blade for a Stanley Knife, known in some countries as a Utility Knife. It's like the big brother of a Box Cutter.
This is cool, I was always wondering what they were doing for that. Thanks for sharing!
Great vid Phil I am doing this right now!
I use a really fine nail file, to roll my edges, i got some old german made nail files from the 60s. They work great.
Great information!
Been watching you for years Phil.. just wanted to send a quick thanks for all you do sir
I've always used a foam sanding block, just run it up and down the edge, 5 minutes and done. I've only done rosewood though.
Also my preferred method!
Tape? What grit?
Great way to start! Keeping in mind 'you can't put it back' is good advice! Years ago I came across a cheap neck with a broken truss rod that was not worth fixing. I used that to practice several things on, rolling edges was one. Any maple board with a 90d edge may work also to get the "feel". Peace --gary
Thanks Phil, fantastic video.
I just turned an unplayable Epiphone Jerry Cantrell Bone White Les Paul into a beautiful playing guitar with the lowest action and best hand feel, with flats and learning Jazz licks with it, watching your videos, and Stew Mac’s gave me the courage to fix a noise I couldn’t get rid of regardless of relief and string height. So I dressed my own frets! Taped up the neck, sanded lightly using a 12” radius sand block and 360 to 1000 then switch to string fret erasers, (these things are great by the way) and never crowned the tops, the flats that were created with the 12” radius sanding block were between 0.5 to 1mm wide as wide as how my vintage SG’s frets are, so when I erased them working through the grits I rounded and polished the ends I also super glued the frets down while I was at it. I actually need to do this with my Gibson but thought I’d pop my cherry with what is a beautiful guitar just sitting in the case and now that guitar out plays the Gibby, I mean the low E is set at 1.4mm and the High E is 1.2mm and I hit the strings hard! No noise, no buzz, just the ring of a perfect chord! Thanks Phil for all that I’ve learned from your videos over the years, my dude!
To each his own. Soft backed polishing sticks held at an angle down the entire fretboard does the fretboard edge and fret ends at the same time. Prefer it to scraping wood between frets with a razor. Cheers!
I used to do it this way, blade and sanding. Then I saw a video of Paul Davids using a foam sanding block. I tried that idea on a cheaper neck and it saved me so much time. I finished off by polishing the frets because the sanding block makes the fret edges a little rough. Then I used the fret one oil and it was great. Who knew?? I really miss chatting with you in your shop Phil, but at least I still get to watch your interwebs diatribes. God bless you for all you do. So much appreciated
Thanks, I was wondering if you could do this with just the sandpaper
I tried that on my guitar. It worked great but it was so fast that I almost took off too much. Now I know.
Great idea! Those sanding blocks are sold at Dollar Trees as well.
This is what I do. Not only does it take the edge of the neck, it also rounds off the fret ends. I bought a very cheap Squier bass with fret ends I would characterize as bleeders. The foam blocked quickly rounded off even those bass frets.
Hi Phil nice video 📹 and workmanship the color is nice purple cream sicle
Yeah man! Thanks for doing this video !!! I find that I like to have the high e side rolled very little, and the low E side rolled just a wee bit more. A hard edge bothers my thumb when it comes over the low E side, but a hard edge doesn't bother my fingers much at all. Maybe I'll figure out why - someday.
My US Stratocaster came with rounded fretboard edges . I believe it was the first year Fender started doing it. 1999 although it may have been a year or so earlier .
I use a similar technique to round the edges on my cigar box guitar neck builds.
Great stuff presented here - very clearly & thoroughly explained. oNe LovE from NYC
Thank you, Phil.
great info vid
I also highly suggest this~! It took me a few frets to figure out exactly how much pressure to use
THANKS, PHIL! 👍👍
Might need to try this on the warmoth superwide neck on my strat. Plenty of room on the edges!
We are being spoiled this week 😊
fantastic tips, phil-t'anks!
Great video! What's the lamp you have on your bench?
At that price point, the Somnium guitar should have rounded edges from the factory. Excellent video and super informative.
He mentioned that is a Warmoth neck (which are not cheap either)
Excellent tips and method, so the next requested video is how to smooth fret nibs without scratching the fretboard, we went to GC and most of the 5-800$ guitars were very nibby,
Remove the strings and tape off the wood with painters tape. Also run one piece of tape all the way along the neck just under the frets. Use a real fret file. I bought mine at Lee Valley. I use magnifying visors too. Take your time. Start on the less used frets on the Low E side of the neck.
I do this on every guitar I own. It makes such a difference.
I did what you said, thank you so much for the lesson! Now my guitar screams to me.... play me..... please..... 🎯
I might do this to my practice guitars. A cheap carbon composite, not that fancy weave. My walking in the rain, practice while boiling water and frying eggs guitar, my bang into doorframes, dont need to plug in guitar. People might think they are toys but they can sit out of the case, accompany through the woods in the snow calling my dog. Cheap, comfortable, light, convenient, Enya. Just checked and there is enough meat to file on the outside corner. Testing for a bit to see how easy it is to slip off edge, down the fret crown, should have enough. These are cast into the neck. Its a carbon fiber embedded resin cast type thing. I just think of it as plastic casting. Reminds me of a tool body material and the paint them. I round a lot of edges as a finishing contractor.
A Most Excellent Tutorial! Huzzah!
Thank you kindly!
I saw the screwdriver trick on Rhett Shull channel , and it's very fast ;))
Have you ever done in person setup lessons? Or a workshop?
Where did you get that light ? I need one !!!!
Does this need the fret edges filed so they don’t stick out?
Any tips for rolling for a finished maple neck?
Great video. I won't use a screwdriver again!!
A number of people mentioned using a foam sanding block instead of the blade and sandpaper. I wouldn't mind hearing your thoughts on this method.
When using the 3M Scotch Pad, do you need to tape up the pickups?
The p up's magnets attacks the steel wool, so that's why. W sand I'd only worry about a p up's screw hole if it has them, then a piece of tape.
My issue is finding the right narrow neck, even though I have long fingers. My first electric guitar was a Gibson L6S Deluxe, which I played for many years. It has a very narrow neck. Everything else I try to play, I keep pressing between the strings.
Hey, @PhillipMcKnight ...,
Is the neck at risk of getting _too narrow,_ such that the 1st string might _unintentionally_ "fall off" the side of the neck when giving it significant finger-vibrato? ...and, is there a way to avoid that problem, like ordering a neck with a slightly wider fretboard but slotting the nut a _tiny_ bit closer to the center than the norm?
No. Even though Phil mentions that you could have this problem, no it's irrelevant. The string contact is on the steel fret not the neckwood mate
I have a Player Plus Strat and I was wondering why it's so much more comfortable to play than my other 2 guitars. The rolled fretboard makes an enormous difference.
I sanded the neck radius on my Yamaha FG-75, using a template I got from stewmac. They use a lot of laquer on them and I took that off, plus a few thousandths of the natural wood. It came out great using a 1954 LP template. My question is; I didn't have any oil for the natural wood and I didn't want to leave it unprotected, so after a seccion of playing Iused the sweat from my shirt as the oil to seal that neck wood. Again, it worked out great and even darkened the wood a bit. I think that should be enough to protect the wood if i keep applying this natural oil, as I live in the Vegas area and it's never too humid for long. Is this crazy because it seems to be working out...
Sweat does have small amounts of fat in it which is an oil but you should not be using any natural oils to seal wood. They tend to go rancid eventually so you'll have a smelly neck if you keep doing it. Most hydrating oils for guitars are just mineral oil with lemon fragrance since it never goes rancid so if you have it, mineral oil should be fine.
@@ViviSectia ok
unfinished fingerboard is easier to me .like rosewood or any darker colour unfinished wood .. I start with scraping..then fine cut file to remove wavy cut.then ultra fine sanding sponge..steel wool if needed or anything similar available..then proceed to fret dress .on maple I just rolled with screw driver.. sometime rolled with screwdriver wasn't enough .still need to scrape and files to achieve how rounded edges I want
what do you apply to the rolled surface if you are going to lacquer finish the unfinished maple neck after the rolling? just wipe the dust with alcohol and spray paint? will it even out the colour?
Does the Harley Benton has finish!
I do hate my neck, but not my guitar neck...
then using a razor would certainly remove too much material, stick to sand paper only.
@@Dm3qXY 😄sure
I am thinking of refretting an acoustic which has very narrow frets. I am considering going up a size or more in fret wire.
My concern is that installing a different width fret than the factory will throw of the intonation or make the guitar play wierd. Any thoughts out there?
I've never once touched the edge of the fretboard while playing.
All of the guitars I bought new still have sharp edges.
I use only the sandpaper, it's enough for my needs and less risky
The quickest and least intrusive way is to use the back of a curved ‘warmed’ tea spoon. I used this on a wudtone maple Telecaster neck with great results in less than 30 minutes 🤷♂️
3:28 classic! Audio goes out of sync whilst boasting about videos improving over the years.
Musicnomad, among others, will actually sell special files / file blocks that you can do this with, maybe check out one of those with one of those cheap necks? :) Also personally I'm against relicing in principle, like, I want my guitar to tell it's own story as I use it. However, if you pick up a guitar and there is that click, it doesn't matter anymore because that click is the most important thing you can have with something you can express yourself with. Be you an artist and have a special brush and pen, be you a guitarist, etc.
Is that an RJ Skycaster? How'd that make it's way to you?
I was thinking the same thing. I wanna know what he thinks about the guitar.
as a guy who doesnt like relic'ing at all, im all about the rolled edges
Would years of playing crush the edge instead of removing it? If you do this, then play for years, are you risking it wearing too far? Seems like the screwdriver thing would be more like a natural effect.
I don’t know shyt when it comes to this. That’s why I’m asking.
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What is that nice looking 100 dollar guitar? And, thanks I needed the rolling technique!
How is that sandpaper "double stick" ? Its single side stick, singlenside sandpaper
If you fold the paper you end up with the two sticky sides glued together and sandpaper on both sides making it doublesided sandpaper.
Love it.
? wouldn't this method make the frets "sprout" a little?
I would think a fret end beveling file with adjustable angles would take some wood and the fret ends, then fret dress, a little sand paper and wool...
I know now we're leaving DIY territory.
I use the side of a worn older screwdriver,, just roll over the side of neck..rolling neck towards you..its simple and works...just go slow..
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rolling the edge is not relicing. Making the guitar comfortable to play is not like damaging the guitar and its finish or rusting the hardware. Relic guitars are win win for the manufacture only, as they can sell you the guitar with dings and scratches and you are happy to pay them more!!!! crazy world.
I got a new Gibson with rolled edges and my figures slipped off. But for some reason, my finger stopped slipping off the next time I played it.
The best trick I've learned for rolling fretboard edges, is to use ANY round smooth edged kitchen utensils handle. Butter knives are the best. All your doing is compressing the sharp edge of the wood into a rounder profile. There's no need to remove any material. Just take your time and firmly "roll" the edge, just like the description of the process says. They don't call them sanded edges, do they? No. They're called "rolled" fretboard edges, for a reason people. Just because someone has sanded them for 20 years to achieve the same thing. Doesn't make it the same thing. Sanding and rolling a fretboard edge are NOT the same!
I used one of my sockets worked good
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Hey Phil lets go get a slice at New York Pizza. Or a chef salad if you prefer
It’s the back of the neck on my LP that I really hate. It’s really sticky
kind of sad that people are masters at computers and smart phones but are lost when it comes to sandpaper and screwdrivers , how do they feed themselves
Beeing a long time guitarist I advise you, if it is the first time you do that, use your buddy,s guitar
another luthier way - takes moments to do. Apply pressure along fretboard edges using shaft of the screwdriver, This will compress and smooth the edge. With this method, you can roll the edge angle to taste
Ive seen it done this way as well
Manufacturer just have to take off the sharp edge of the wood while dressing the fret ends. No extra procedure needed.🤷🏻 Some cheap GiO's have that.
*pinches bridge of nose* you USE the screwdriver. Scraping is too destructive. You don't crush the fretboard using a screwdriver. You wear it down with a hardened surface JUST like your fingers would over time. Spend 10 or so minutes dragging the shaft up and down the neck and you will do a better job than scraping.
Yeah...or you can do it Phil's way. Did you not listen to his beginning comments?
@@micd9531 Thanks for the 2 cents bud!
I’m a musician, I know how to use a razor blade!
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Here's one by JJ Cale as covered by Eric Clapton.
Now, show us the best way to get rid of that sticky gloss on the back of the many necks
Scotchbrite pads work very well but some people use fine steel wool or sandpaper
I use the fine maroon colored scotchbrite pads ( the tan & green ones are too aggressive ) and they work great.
Great tutorial video Phil, quick question where did you buy that lamp @7:25 min of your video? I’m looking for a quality lamp with a lens in it too, thanks for the advice
Check out Lee Valley. I am happy with the one I bought there
Great video Phil
what if I love my guitar neck ^^
you suggest this method with a Parker Nitefly? lol
Non rolled fingerboards give me blisters on the insides of my fingers. I play over 40 hours a week and sharp edges just kill my little hands, way more than sharp fret edges too.
Ouch!
Oh the blood !
Ahhhh!
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Tourniquet!
Oh shite!
Read my Will.......
"Hey Phil, Sweetwater here our sales of bandages and replacement guitar necks are both down - how about you create a video to boost the sales of both?" "I'm on it!"
Rounding edges costs almost nothing in manufacture; run both sides down a router. They don't do it on lower end, to force you to buy the premium line. That's it. Don't get me started on pickups.
Peasants who hold the neck like a shovel feel the edges. Players don't.
I guess you've dug many ditches in your life. lol
#6_OohAhhSoCool_🍒
Go ahead, ruin your guitar, be sure the fretboard to have a binding
Let me just say this: I do NOT like my edges rolled AT ALL. I don't think your hands should ever even touch the edges of the fingerboard when you are actually playing it. My take, anyway.
just sell the guitar and buy one you like better really a razor blade on the neck?😂😮😢
I have a neck that was perfect except it had a fingerboard sharp enough to cut a diamond in half. It was hurting the base of my fingers. It's been smoothed. I can't see abandoning an otherwise great neck for a minor flaw that's easily corrected.
Lol safety 3rd !😊