MIG Killers DCS F-4 Phantom Training Campaign Syllabus
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- čas přidán 27. 07. 2024
- Let me share more details about the syllabus of my upcoming MIG Killers DCS campaign for the Heatblur F-4 Phantom. Its aim is to recreate the first class of Topgun in 1969 as realistically as possible.
0:00 - Intro
0:33 - Why not a USAF campaign?
1:19 - NAVY F-4E OMG HOW DARE YOU?!?!!?
2:37 - Topgun Syllabus - Hry
Once again, I love this stuff. The fundamentals really do help to make you a better pilot, and I love you're pushing the game's engine to do this. It reinforces what can be achieved with DCS, which a lot of people ignore or are unaware of. There's a lot of enjoyment in flying the jets properly.
Thanks! It all started by reading about these great tactics and asking myself, hey, can I recreate this engagement in DCS? And after a bit of experimenting all the lessons turned out to be feasible and I ended up with a whole campaign :)
@@ReflectedSimulations legend!
Impressive. I can only recommend "Speed and Angels" and this one looks like will be at the same level or even better. Thank you for you amazing work!
Great stuff! Need good campaigns for the F-4! Looking forward to this release.
I'm very busy trying to remedy that issue :)
I wasn’t going to purchase the F4 for some time but I am seriously thinking about it just to play this campaign, looks amazing
Even without this campaign it's the best module ever released in any flight sim, well worth it!
Looks fantastic! I just finished re-flying your Speed and Angels campaign and I have to say that your campaigns are my favorite!
Thank you, I hope you’ll like this one too
I have most of your campaigns. I have enjoyed them all. Keep up the great work. I understand why you chose Navy / top gun. From all the interviews I have seen from Air Force pilots from Vietnam, the only air to air training they got was F-4 v F-4 on the way back from missions if they had fuel remaining.
Thanks for the support! Yes that’s what I read about USAF training too. Not much BFM, definitely not dissimilar
That's really a downer that there isn't that much info on the 70's Air Force Weapons School it would have been really interesting to compare and contrast the differences in training. Thanks for another great campaign to look forward to Reflected!
It wouldn't have been too much fun due to the ancient tactics they used. Topgun really changed US aviation. But as I said, I have something up my sleeve for the USAF guys out there too.
I loved flying the F-14 RAG in Speed and Angels, really helped me learn how to push the tomcat in a dogfight, can't wait for this one. God knows we need all the tricks we can get to win dogfights in the F4
Sounds interesting. Looking forward to its release.
This is going to be so much fun. Thank you for all your hard work.
Thanks!
Always excited! I might even be semi-proficient in basic operation by the time it's out... ;-) Thanks!
Goosebumps! Looking forward to it. Always nice to see a Top Gun reference in there
Thanks!
I am definitely excited about this campaign! Hopefully it'll come out soon. First day buy for sure.
Keep up the great work!
Thanks a lot for the support!
I just want to get very good at Flying the Phantom II and this will help and I will pick up of course. Thank you Reflected.
this will definitely help!
This will be fantastic. No doubt. Reflected stands for top notch campaigns!
Thank you!
100% onboard with Navy skins. Can’t wait!!!
Go Navy!
Nice walkthrough - looking forward to it
Looks great, and I can't wait! Hopefully ED won't sit on the campaign for too long before releasing it.
Fingers crossed!
Well said ! Love your work , but more than anything your passion and dedication to authenticity makes you a legend ! Can't wait for this project 😁🤟❤️
Thanks for the support!
@ReflectedSimulations You don't have a patreon do you !
@@wildcard3233 I don’t. I do have merch though, the link is on my yourube page
Super excited for this campaign. First day purchase for me easily, only wish it was coming out on the 3rd of July.
It won't just yet, but hopefully soon!
Thanks, I will be waiting in "Hot Stand-by!
Man I can't wait for this. Need it yesterday!
Mission 11 & 12, I wonder what those could be.
*cough constant peg *cough
Can't wait! Sounds like an amazing campaign.
Thanks you for making this stuff 🔥❤️
I'll buy this campaign day 1! Thank you!
reflected my mate, don't you worry, people are just talking. this is going to be an immediate purchase for me, since the f-4 has made it hard to get back to any other module, and i get this feedback from a lot of players, so people are going to be genuinely proficient when your campaign is released, and willing to do something with their hard earned expertise. let's face it, most uf us earn to many modules to get proficient enough to get through a reflected campaign without serious additional exercise, but it seems that this work will be already done at release. i'm looking forward to it very much.
(apart from that this is an excelent chance of designing some aggressor mig-21 and f-5 missions, or a genuine campaign in order to revive the modules. not that i want to force you to do anything... :D )
Thanks! Funny you mentioned, I just finished making 4 aggressor skins for the F-5 for a future project ;) I love flying that bird!
@@ReflectedSimulations what a legend! :D
wonderful, this is something I defintely won't miss!
Looks exciting! Can’t wait!
Can't wait! I love a little teaser from you in a form of BFM quick missions on Nevada Map against F-5 and F-86, so patiently waiting for a full campaign. Are you using the same trick with invulnerability / infinite weapons in campaign as well? I found it really cool and realistic, because you actually not killing anyone, you are just exercising.
Yes that's exactly how the kill system will work. Additionally, 'killed' players will egress east/west which is not in the free mission, since that's a 1v1. Sometimes it will be hard to know if that's a valid target or a killed one who's egressing, but that's quite a realistic problem.
Outstanding sir “salute”
Sounds awesome! Can't wait =)
this is gonna be just epic!
The Navy version should be the “J” model if my memory serves me correctly. Regardless, fly high and check six!!
Looking forward to it! 😎
Can't wait.👍
This update sounds fantastic. I have 2 questions tho. 1) where to pre purchase? 2) will it be possible to deactivate your “workaround” regarding the slats? This request might be very niche, so let me explain. I primarily fly on multiplayer servers and mostly PVP (solo or with a specific mate) and I want to fly your Top Gun training as a preparation for this. So, this is a self experiment for me to see what I can take away from this for the Wild West out there. Maybe he will do this too, so we will have a common denominator afterwards. But I want to have the same flight characteristics in your campaign and online, hence the question regarding the slats.
1) Campaigns cannot be prepurchased, only at release.
2) czcams.com/video/9mbhueNPEZo/video.htmlsi=PDs2uciFmyS09EDU&t=570
Ooooh I can’t wait! 🥳
Beatiful 😊
Awesome! just do what you do
Thanks!
Looks good, I was putting off learning the F-4 properly until your campaign. Will it be out with the next DCS update?
Not with the very next one. That one will have Baltic's Viper campaign, The Gamblers.
Hey mate. Really looking forward to the campaign. A quick question, in regards to the release schedule, we talking, weeks or months?
Not sure, it's up to ED now. It's not coming with the June update yet for sure.
This falls in line with the book "SCREAM of Eagles"; how to fly and fight in the F-4 and documents the creation of TOP GUN. From the book, you enter every engagement with no less than 550 knots on the jet. When speed bleeds to 350 knots, disengage, extend 2-3 miles, build your energy, and pitch back into the fight with no less than 550 knots on the jet. They found the MIG-17 flies perfectly fine at 100 knots. The author talks about flying "The Egg" where one F-4 is always pressing the bandit in a boom n zoom fight. Read the book and come back to us with an updated Training Campaign Syllabus.
@@knightonwarbeck1969 you think I didn’t read it before making this? :) research always comes first
@@ReflectedSimulations Good Man... very good Man. Few in the DCS community even know this book exists. Its been my "mission" to spread the word. Once the MIG-17 is released and after never ending shoot downs of the F-4, people will be forced to read SCREAM OF EAGLES or abandon the F-4. My father flew the F-4 from 1975-77 (CF-104 and CF-5 as well). I'll add a few items here and there from a real F-4 pilot, if I may. Subscribed my friend.
Im super excited for this, once released how do we acquire your campaign ? Im still new to DCS
Hey, thanks! DLC campaigns can be purchased from the DCS store on the ED website - provided you have all the required modules which is listed in the store. Then the updater downloads and installs it automatically, and it will pop up in your campaigns menu.
@@ReflectedSimulations thank you. ^^
Looking awesome. Any chance at a 'Nam campaign supporting SOG teams?
As soon as we get a Nam map
@ReflectedSimulations Fair. Hopefully that happens sooner rather than later.
I know I've said this before but SOLD!!!!!!!
It looks from video to video, better.
Hi Reflected! Since the DCS summer sale is on-going, would you recommend picking up the Nevada map to play this campaign? And can you tell us if there are any other pre-requisites apart from the F4E and the Nevada map?
Most definitely! It will be required for this campaign (nothing else required) but many other campaigns are using it too: Zone 5, Speed n Angels, Iron Flag, Red Flag 21, just to name a few. It's secretly my favorite map. Great performance, and those mountains in the desert look beautiful.
@@ReflectedSimulations Awesome, thank you!
11 & 12 are Constant Peg.
You didn't tell whether _you_ put pineapple on pizza, though 😄
I could tell you, but then I'd have to.... :D
getting ready
The brains of Navy guys raise an exception when they are told they need to fly an air force plane 😂
There's NOTHING wrong with pineapple on pizza! It tastes great!
Those liveries are wonderful who made them?
Thanks, I did
… that’s it! I draw the line at pineapple on pizza! 😅
:D
heres another dumb question: how come none of my skins have testicles underneath the afterburner cans? i demand testicles.
The missions mostly based on Scream of Eagles? Or you have other sources too?
Other sources too :)
@@ReflectedSimulations Thanks!
AG went by the wayside based on the issue...which Ault went after...kill to loss ratio. Then right behind the grads success in 1972 came the Tom...in 73...though built to carry AG as you know it was all air defense and superiority....not a pound for air to ground as they say.
Would love to help with this somehow!
Thanks a lot, but it's all done now, submitted to ED :)
@@ReflectedSimulations Awesome, can't wait
Which module do you like the most?
Do you recommend the F-4 at full price?
Most definitely!
@@ReflectedSimulations Thanks for replying
Is it possible un update of speed and angles with some of the missions from mig killer campaign?
@@savvopoulosnikolaos1727 why would I put missions from a 1969 Topgun syllabus into a 2004 Tomcat RAG syllabus?
@@ReflectedSimulations I just thought that because they both are in their core training campaigns considering in some level they deal with basic flight and acm maneuvers that apply to every plane regarding the time of service . But ok I understand just a thought from a inexperienced player
@@savvopoulosnikolaos1727 they’re still totally separate products. MIG Killers is not so much about the basics either, it’s ‘graduate training’
Classic USAF ignoring tactics and treating wingmen as squires while the Navy comes in and gets shit done.
I once read a story about 2 Phantoms chasing a MIG over Vietnam. Perfect firing position. Lead's missiles wouldn't come off, and he ordered the wingman to break off and RTB, he wouldn't let him take the shot because he was 'just' a wingman. This is why Topgun was so revolutionary and why it's gonna be a much more fun campaign than a USAF Weapons School one.
Are we going to actually be shooting down the “enemy” aircraft we are training against (like the various Sedlo red flag campaigns) or will be simulating simulated combat and have to “call shots” like another campaign
Good question! You will actually be firing ( missile physics are too complex for simple triggers to replace) but everyone will be immortal and just egress upon being hit. On top of this shots and kills will be called just like in real life.
@@ReflectedSimulationshmmm…that’s a pretty slick idea. I get to shoot missiles but we have the added realism of not blowing up the guy who’s trying to teach us how to flight
@@mikeck4609 funny how we’re trying to simulate simulation. When I made Zone 5 with Bio he said let’s blow stuff up. It’s an advantage of the sim over real life, so why not use it? :)
I could be mistaken but didn’t the F-86F serve in Korea? So it’s not that out of the ordinary to have an F variant in the campaign vs an A or E. Or am I misremembering
Maybe at the end? Not sure. But in all the books I read about dogfights over the Yalu it was slatted wing Sabres.
@@ReflectedSimulations after doing a bit of research the initial production F variants were delivered to the USAF in mid 52. So they saw combat, just the second half of the war.
I wasn’t able to find exact date they arrived in Korea sometime in mid-late 52 or early 53 would be my bet.
@@tswims92 thanks for the info!
Too bad its not going to be USMC rather than USN. But eh, whatever. Its looking like a cool campagin.
i'm at 7:32 and its just not true. DCS AI is limiting at the moment and you simply can't script how the AI aircraft are going to maneuver. The Bracket might look like an oblong banana which might be how it would go in combat but it isn't how training works. There just is no way to setup training with AI , you can't set the AI to get ahead of you so you can practice BFM from an offensive position. The DLC's gonna be fun i bet
Oh it IS possible, just wait and see ;)
What's the time frame for release?!
That's totally up to ED now.
2:12 WHAT ON PIZZA?
🤌🍍
where can I get this campaign?
Emphasis on “upcoming” ;)
I just wanna VF-84 skin.😤 (😜)
🤍
I'm always happy to see new campaigns. But I don’t understand why complicate everything, why not make any fictional campaign for the F-4E similar to the campaigns for the Tomcat. I don't really like the idea of flying an F-4E and imagining it's some other version.
I think he’s addressed the why he chose to do this - we don’t need to like it and ultimately don’t need to purchase it. I personally am looking forward to it as I’m fascinated by the Topgun history