Land vs Sea - Playthrough
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This is "Land vs Sea," a board game designed by Jon-Paul Jacques & published by Good Games Publishing in 2021. This video includes a rules overview.
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One hint for scoring: We use glass stones to mark the tiles we already scored. It makes things for large areas much easier.
I always appreciate how you talk through your strategies even though you would not do that in a “normal” game that you are not filming for CZcams.
But they still keep it snappy, listening to someone like rahdo whose thoughts go in 50 different directions can be tiring
Definitely enjoyed this video! By far one of the closest games I've seen you two play. The game was so tight the whole time. Well played both of you! Thanks for the content!
that looks like a seriously fun game. Great playthrough once again! Thank you.
Aw, I'm so glad you're reviewing this. I was just looking at it this past weekend!
Awesome video as usual, keep up the fantastic work!
at 45:30 Monique should have gotten 3 points for mountains when Naveen closed of the large water.
Looks like a fun game. Might consider it for Christmas. Thanks for the play through.
I had never heard of Land vs Sea but put it on my Christmas wish list because of this review. It's a great pick for us as we love tile-laying games and play most often at two players. The art is charming too!
Loved this playthrough. Really interesting game. Great come from behind Win Naveen.
as always, loved it!! ❤️
Thank you so much!!
I'm intrigued to see how a three player game of this would work. But as always great work, looks like another game I may have to get! Y'all are awesome.
Tantrum House have a 3 player playthrough video of Land vs Sea... the Cartographer mainly scores from Coral and Mountain connections, while everyone contests the bonus points and Caravan and Ship placement, and the end game trade route majorities. Its the deepest end of the game due to the asymmetry.
awwww its a cuter version of carrcassone! I love the tile art on this one and the points for it. we play carccasone a lot but now I want this one! im obsessed with tile games!!!!
Thanks for posting this video.
Wonderful game & it was a close one too; I thought land was going to win.
This reminds me of Alhambra [on steroids; as you are dealing with hexagonal tiles as opposed to square ones].
I bought this game because of you guys, thank you
That was fun. Thanks!
A very helpful run-though, with your running commentary - many thanks!
You should review Cape May. Just love your style of review.
Hi there. Love this game. Glad I watched because we were getting some of the rules wrong. I have a question. With the Waypoint token... Do you get a point for enclosing the tile it is on, OR if you complete a land or see area? In other words, are there essentially two ways to score a waypoint? Also if you use the whirlpool/volcano tile do you only get the five x's IF you enclose an area of land or sea, or do you get it just for putting it in the center of the six tiles? Thank you for your wonderful teaches!
Hi Heidi - Glad you are enjoying Land vs Sea so much. As TravisP said, when scoring Waypoints you get a point for EITHER:
1. Placing the final tile to surround a tile a Waypoint has been placed on. Return the Waypoint to its owner and score 1 point for it, no matter who owns the Waypoint.
or
2. Completing an area a Waypoint token is in. Return the Waypoint to its owner, and score a point for doing so, no matter who owns the Waypoint. In this way its kinda like a mobile bonus point.
Waypoints are a critical part of the intended 4 player team game game. Players cannot openly communicate with their team mate about where they should place their tile, but instead use Waypoints to hint to their partner where they should consider focusing their tile placements. The more frequently and carefully team mates place their Waypoints and score from them by working together, the more points they score as a team. And they can mess with their rivals' Waypoints too, by returning and scoring them as above too. In this way Waypoints add a 7 to 15 point team based subgame to the 4 player experience. And team players can develop a subtle language about how they think each other should place their tiles too. Eg a Land player who already has another open or hidden Mountain edged tile, with a partner showing a visible mountain edged tile, can place a Waypoint on an open Mountain edge on the map to hint to their teammate to extend that Mountain range for even more cumulative scoring. If they can also score the Waypoint doing so, then even better!
The Volcano / Whirlpool tile and its bonus points are scored only when the area it is part of is completed, as with other tiles and bonus points. It's often good to complete rival areas containing a decent number of bonus points... as it's better than leaving them to your rival to score. However it's even more important to complete rival areas containing the additional 5 bonus points on the Volcano / Whirlpool tile, as there are often over 10 bonus points that can go to either player / team in such areas. One of the most satisfying plays you can to is to make a hole in an otherwise completed area, to drop in the relevant Volcano / Whirlpool tile side, to complete the area and score all the bonus points... and maybe the area points too if its your area type! Play again tiles are VERY useful for this manoeuvre.
It's also worth pointing out that when playing with the Mountain and Coral scoring option, as Monique and Naveen did here, that the mountains or coral edges on the Volcano / Whirlpool tile DO score immediately they are connected to adjacent Mountain or Coral edges of tiles around the hole. Mountain and Coral scoring is instantaneous, as usual. The player who places that tile is allowed to orient it however they like to score more or fewer such points.
Great play through! Do you guys like this one better than Carcassonne? Or both games could fit your collections?
Great video! Could you recommend similar games? Puzzly and area controlling and so on. Great combo in Land vs Sea!!
Carcassonne is a similar type game. It is also available as an app. It is my favorite game. I have played it daily for years.
@Kevin Delord Patchwork (2 player only), Indian Summer and Calico are some puzzly games we like. I just got New York Zoo for Christmas-haven't played it yet but it is also a puzzle style game.
some time ago you mentioned your play surface is a wool blanket (i think..). can you link or paste the description / title so i can look it up. I tried once before and the choices were bewildering. thanks.
Also, thanks for playing this game for us. Its a perfect level of puzzly (made up word) that my wife and I enjoy.
Hi Jeff, just checked our Amazon account “Arcturus Military Wool Blanket”. There are 3 different colors, we are using the gray one. Hope that helps!!
@@BeforeYouPlay thank you. wow its huge.
Great game! Although you guys didn’t need to convince me to buy it this time because I’ve already had it for a week and played it numerous times already 🙂
How is it with 3-4 player?
@@pct87 I’ve only played it at 2 player. Don’t think I would bother at 3 and playing in a team for 4 players doesn’t interest me at all.
I was literally looking at buying this for Christmas but its sold out everywhere in the UK at the moment. :(
This is basically a redesigned Carcassonne ;-)
As with most tile laying games, there are certainly some similarities, and many differences between this and Carcassonne.
In both games, you lay a tile a turn each to make and extend a map... except in Land vs Sea you usually have 2 DOUBLE SIDED HEX tiles in hand to choose from, with 50% hidden information, rather than a random tile nobody can strategize around until after it has been played. You also replenish your tiles from 2 visible tile stacks at the end of your round, so you can play your current tile or tiles with some idea about what your next tile choice will be. In this way we think Land vs Sea gives players another layer of agency as they need to observe rival's visible tile sides, and the tile stacks they replenish from, when considering how to place their own tiles each turn. That's a whole layer of forward planning Carcassonne doesn't have.
The tiles you play might also allow you to play your second tile and / or steal a rival's tile to change the tempo and add nuance to that agency.
In the basic game there is a strong focus on area completion, which seems initially similar to Carcassonne's Castle completion, except areas are divided into Land or Sea... and you can only score from 1 type. Only the bonus points contained in areas are contested between the players. And incomplete areas remain unscored! So even in this area of greatest similarity there are substantial differences.
Unlike Carcassonne, every tile you place here also gives your rival opportunities to score from too.
Then Land vs Sea adds an instant cumulative scoring layer of edge connection with the optional Mountain and Coral scoring layer... which is integrated into the basic layer of area completion if you play it that way... or not if you just want to build unclosable chains that simply have to be blocked lest they score huge cumulative points.
And it has immediate tile adjacency scoring with the Caravans and Ships scoring layer, along with a network majority end game scoring mechanism.
This mix of area completion, edge connectivity and tile adjacency and majority scoring intersecting all that has quite a different feel.
Then it has Waypoints that shine in the 4 player team game, and the trickery of the Volcano / Whirlpool shenanigans...
Plus an asymmetric 3 player mode with the Cartographer player scoring mainly from Coral and Mountain edge adjacency while all players contest bonus points and trade route majorities....
The 3 different scoring layers and 3 different player modes give you a tool box that suits a wide range of play group styles.
We have a great free TTS mod of it available with it if you would like to try it out sometime!
Looks cool. Probably wouldn’t get it as it would be a duplicate of Carcassonne
Fun game! I wonder if it would be more strategic to aim for larger land/sea masses than smaller ones?
great question. It's usually best to go for small areas which are easier to complete than large areas, and easier to control the bonus points in... however it can of course sometimes be advantageous to try to finish large areas on the map if they only require 2 or 3 finishing tiles to do so. Play again tiles really help do this. The point at which Monique gave up on the north west land area, it only actually needed 2 or 3 tiles to complete (she had a splitting tile in hand perfect for its southern edge). If she had managed to finish that area she may have won the game. But its always a balance of knowing when to give up on a large area with too many open edges vs completing more feasible small areas.
I agree that she lost when give up the large land. Because, even if you are trying to close your opponent have to limit his turn to try to block you at same time try to gain points. And Monique was in a far lead.
I really want this game, but of course not available yet to order in Canada. I might actually do the preorder from 401 games.
DioneN it is already available in Canada - it just keeps selling out as soon as more arrives! Order it from your FLGS and they should have it in stock within a week or so. That's the most certain way to get your copy, as online stores all seem to sell out immediately.
@@GoodGamesPublishing I can’t seem to find this in stock in the UK. Do you know if this will this be available soon? Thanks!
@@elburto186 Distribution supplies to the UK sold out quickly each time more came in. And the big online stores sold out in hours when they got copies. And now we are out stock in distro there in the UK... till the next print run arrives. There are likely still a few copies scattered around. But, if you cant find it locally I'm pretty sure Fan Boy Three in Manchester ordered deep and still has some online stock.
Would you know if when you play 4 players (teams) if each player draws there own tiles or does the team together draw only 2.
"Starting with the youngest Land
player, players draft a tile each in order, until
they each have 2 tiles, as usual."
Copied that from the rulebook, each player got 2 tiles each
Go Naveen! Pulled that one out of the hat!
Haha somehow did it!!
Oh man... the set up is sooo complex 😂😂😂
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