Minor II V I options - Melodic Minor, Phrygian Chords and Tritone Substitutions
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- The minor II V I can be a difficult chord progression to play on and have a varied vocabulary on. In this video I am going to go over how you can approach it in several different ways with Phrygian Chords, Melodic minor an dTritone Substitutions.
In the video I will demonstrate the different approaches and talk about how to use them both in terms of comping, voicing choices et and also soloing and arpeggios.
I also talk a bit about what will fit with the melody of a piece.
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0:14 Minor II V I The Progression in this video
0:42 Basic II V I - Demonstration
1:03 Scales, Voicings, extensions
2:31 Arpeggios for a m7b5 chord
4:33 Locrian natural 2/ Locrian #2 - Demonstration
4:54 Melodic minor for m7b5
5:15 Chord voicings for m9(b5)
5:54 How does it fit the melody?
6:48 Arpeggios from Melodic minor
7:50 Tritone sub - Demonstration
8:12 Using a Tritone sub dom7th instead of the IIm7b5
8:26 The progression with these chords
8:56 When does it fit the melody?
9:41 Voicing Options and considerations
9:57 The bonus Blue note!
11:51 Phrygian Chord - Demonstration
12:10 What is a Phrygian Chord
13:19 Comping a Phrygian sound
14:06 Soloing on a Phrygian Chord
14:36 How you can use them and where
14:55 Tritone II V - Demonstration
15:17 Tritone substitution of the entire cadence
16:23 Strategies for soloing over a tritone sub
17:27 Borrowing II from Major - Demonstration
17:49 How it works - modal interchange
18:13 Using the brighter sounding II chord
19:34 Voicing considerations
19:56 Soloing over the borrowed II chord
20:43 Do you have a great reharmonization or scale choice for a minor II V I?
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This lesson is probably even better than I think it is.
As it is just at the edge of my musical grasp!
But I shall continue to digest as much as I can, to
replace my ignorance with knowledge.
Thanks Wayne
If you are not used to the reharmonization and using like this then it is probably a lot of info to digest though. 🙂
your videos are gold mines to me
Glad you like them Charles :)
Great lesson! Thank you
Glad you liked it!
Some minor II V I ideas! Don't forget there is a list of content in the video description 🙂
Jens Larsen Hey Jens could you do a video on bepop jazz articulation? Taking a lick and changing the dynamics of it. Ba, dit, ba, da.
Also love your videos they're helping me out a lot.
I sort of did that in one of these: czcams.com/video/odQddlUGlO8/video.html
And I also have a webstore lesson on Bebop Phrasing 🙂
Hey Jen, I was always interested in Jazz. I also play the guitar. But, once I Subscribed to your site, it was a dream comes true. I constantly watched your videos old and new. You have improved my Jazz guitar playing tremendously. Keep up the good work; and I will continue to learn from you by watching the videos. I thank you for the knowledge.
Thank you very much Frantz! I am really glad that you can put the videos to use! Don't be afraid to let me know if you have ideas for video topics or questions!
A lot of your videos have helped me but this one was really good. Always struggling with playing on II-7b5s. Thanks for all the great stuff Jens
Happy to hear that! There are a few more options for this progression here: czcams.com/play/PLWYuNvZPqqcHYyZp5sT0k3Zx8MSWfDXHd.html&disable_polymer=true
A major 2 5 1 version of this would be amazing !
Thanks! That is food for thought! 👍🙂
great job Jens! this exercise allowed me to remember the teaching of a great Italian master: Filippo Daccò. He worked a lot with the melodic minor scales. thanks for sharing your work!
Thanks! I don't know him :)
@@JensLarsen Filippo Daccò - (+ 2007)
"Legendary figure in the Italian scene, great trombonist and guitarist, arranger and conductor, he began his career in the early sixties, after graduating in composition and trombone with Bruno Maderna. He takes his cue from American teaching of jazz music by merging harmony functional to the classical one and immediately proposes an innovative study methodology, which he applies to his first guitar methods. He records for Quincy Jones, Astor Piazzola, Gerry Mulligan and many others, but he also directs several historical Big Bands (Basso, Valdambrini, Pezzotta, Donadio, Boneschi, Franco Cerri, among others).
Thanks again for the informative, skillfull & insightful video!
You are very welcome Charles!
You are brilliant, thanks!!
Thank you!
Nice one!
The possibilities for ambiguity in minor and major II-Vs in Jazz harmony -- what some people call the 'majorization' of minor cadences and the 'minorization' of major cadences -- is one of those features which gives the language great depth, freedom and power. But remember, with great power comes great responsibility! :)
Thank you! Yes, having options can ruin as much as it can create!
Thank you!
Overwhelming, but I have been looking at many of your video's, and a few stuff starts to make sense ( like using altered scales chords , tritones). I have a lot of lacking in theory and now my memory doesn't work so well, but after having played a II V I to the point it makes me feel like vomiting, being able just to play it quietly for me but a lot enriched in a totally renewed form is great. Tak vor de.
I found your "Træben - Jens Larsen/ Top Dog" video on youtube a while back, it is one my favorite live performances ever .what you did there came out so perfect.
i aspire to play that well
Thanks John! :)
so awesome..
Glad you think so!
Apart from the extremely interesting theoretical content and discussion here, your phrasing and guitar tone make me feel good things. Cool indeed. Subscribed.
Thank you very much 🙂
Fantastic video. Great and practical advice. Thank you:)
Thank you! 🙂 Glad you like it!
Is a lot of stuff man. But later I will watch it again. WOW
It certainly is a lot of stuff 🙂 Thanks for checking it out!
You are the professor of jazzguitar, groetjes, Luc
Thanks Luc!
When I first watched this I was so lost I the the 2nd cadence was a reharmominzation of the first so I transposed what that would be in the key am since I'm more familiar with those basic keys I got so mad at myself cause i couldn't make it sound right when I put on a backing track and tried to use that 2nd cadence as a substitution over it I thought it was just the way I was going about it but I just need to pay closer attention I hope you're not disappointed in me trying my best this truly an out standing lesson btw I'm going to check out the standard your analyzing try to see what I get out of it I'm going to see if my local music store has a book of standards I've heard theres alot of books that can teach you standards and I have you to teach me all ths different melodic approaches and ideas to go about them
nice playing on this!
Thanks, Julian!
Very advanced those lessons. For a while it's not for me. I hope that one day I can get those ideas
Hey Jens, awesome video as always!
I was wondering, would you make at some point (or do you have) some video about jazz guitar with influences from ethnic music (middle east, africa, asia, latin/caribbean)?
Thanks!
Oh my.. Can we get a luis bonfa style video?
That would be a bit strange since the only cultural influence I have for myself is Danish and I am not that familiar with the music of those cultures except on a very very superficial level. 🙂
Well, now that I realize, your video "Modal Pentatonic Scale for Dorian and Lydian You Forgot to Check out" has some nice ideas using the Hirajoshi japanese scale, it would be awesome to see more of that usage of exotic scales from different cultures in jazz guitar :)
I am not sure I would call that using other cultures? the way I am using it is really just as a set of notes. I have no idea how it sounds in traditional Japanese music
You're the best. Thanks again for your videos.
good stuff I need to work on this I know the theory I've never been committed to learning all the possible scales and arps :/ it's tough
Cut it up in to smaller bits and make a schedule that takes you 10-15 minutes to work through then you will get there. I have a video on my Technique/scale routine if you are interested! :)
Hello jens excellent material, please could you activate the subtitles in Spanish, I do not speak English, thanks for sharing your knowledge
Hi José it is not about activating it is about subscribers translating them. You can share this link and ask people to help czcams.com/users/timedtext_video?v=UAD467eo_bc&ref=share
Hey Lars,
great lesson but one thing I don't understand. You said you replace the 2 chord with a tritone dominant of the 5 chord that's following it. But wouldn't that be a f# dominant chord as f# is the tritone of c. I see here that we just using a tritone substitution (Db7) for the m7b5 chord which I don't really understand how it works because the 7 of the Db7 would be the major third for the m7b5 chord. How does that work as a chord substitute. Is that just a common flavour/progression?
Could you give me a time in the video where I say that? 🙂
I use g dominant arpeggios over Bmb5 what nots should i avoid
Do you have a video where you explain how this is possible to switch to from locrian to a Bb melodic minor scale to create a natural min7b5 9 sound.
I would like to use these techniques for other songs but dont know where to start....
It is really just a sound you put on top, so if you practice making lines with it and playing voicings with a natural 9th then you get used to the sound.
@@JensLarsen so as long as it fits the song/chord i can litterally take scales from all different keycenters/harmonys?
@@JensLarsen after trying some Gmin7b5,9 voicings i discovered that it sounds identical like Bbmin6,9 so you use the Bb melodic minor as a tonal centre i think to create this beautiful sound....
Am i correct?
I tried the same for the V
I changed the C7#5#9 you played in the video to a C#min6,9 chord and use a C#Melodic minor scale
Can I use F Melodic Minor over Dm7 and Ab Melodic Minor over G7, in a Major key ii-V for a more altered sound?
Another great lesson on getting to a "new" modern sound. I love the phrasing you are developing with the tritoes subs. Is this a standard application of this technique and do you have more material on this? I'll look on the site but I'm not that familiar with it and selfishly a bit of guidance would be helpful. More to the point, there is an abundance of info out there on the tritone sub and structurally what it involves but this lesson really starts to dig in on the practical side of it and the melodic and harmonic impacts. Very intriguing and thank you as always...!
LOL tritoes subs... Sometimes that's what my experimenting sounds like! 😎
Thanks Donald! I think I have a few old lessons on Tritone subs, but I am actually not really sure :)
Jens Larsen LOL, I’ll do my homework and look thru the list, I haven’t seen a lesson yet that I didn’t benefit from... 😎
Jens, when you said that the F minor scale is good for improvising over the Gm7b5 chord, were you referring to the F minor harmonic scale , like the 2nd mode ?
F minor aeolian over G-7 b5( G minor seven flat 5).Then,F harmonic minor over the C7.hope you are well God loves you deeply, Shalom ✝️🤗🐼❤️💐Philippians 4:8
is it just me, or the A minor iimin7b5 V I and the C major ii V I pretty much sound the same?
my mind hears amin7,cmaj7,emin7 as the same dim7 fmaj7,the same and bmin7b5 G7 the same
then even crazier
when i play a Bdim7 that alternate with G7, and alternate bdim7 with E7, then alternate bdim7 with Db7 and alternate Bdim7 with Bb7 all 4 of these 7's sound same to me !
its weird.
that just makes me get ideas for bebop lines as SUBS
Well, I think Dm7 and Bø sound quite different actually. To me it was always more important what lines I played and a lot less important if I had a lot of options in terms of substitutions
yeah true. Bø comes across to me as a nice flavor of G7
john jacquard try playing your usual ii V I lines that you play on C over the iib5 V i in A minor. It works!
You can make a video about the chords of Jazz ?... Or u had a video of it, can u give me the link , ok?... Tks my "internet teacher"... !!!
How about this one: czcams.com/video/esWyb1_hQRE/video.html
Tks my teacher !
U have fb, don't u? I can use it to send to u the messege about anything i don't know!
Actually I would prefer if you did that as a comment on a video? Is that possible? 🙂
Jens Larsen yes,i known ! 😊😊😊