The most horrific Orbital Bombardments in Star Wars history
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- čas přidán 14. 04. 2024
- We'll continue our look at Orbital Bombardments with a look at some of the most infamous cases of Base Delta Zero in Star Wars history!
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watching 2008 the clone wars as a kid taught me a valuable lesson: "its not a war crime if you win"
"Let's pretend to surrender again..."
That’s their solution for a battle they can’t win.
It's not a war crime if you don't live on earth
That lesson was driven home for me by studying history. I also learned that those rules apply with Treason as well. Don’t believe me? Tell me, through the lens of the powers that be in 0 ABY, what would the rebel alliance have been charged with if they lost?
@@carsoncasmirri3874everything Palpatine would have charged them with every rebel act committed
"No jaw, no chill." Probably the best description of Malak I've ever heard lol
With Taris, you forgot to mention how the bombardment freed the Rakghoul disease onto the survivors in the cities. Not only dud they kill trillions, they accidentally unleashed a plague that still dominated the planet hundreds of years later during SWTOR.
I'm surprised you didn't mention Tatooine. One of my favorite Star Wars fanfics ever written even had the Rakata literally creating a second star just to ensure Tatooine would never be habitable again. The Infinite Empire really had no concept of mercy or half measures.
Wasn't that know as glassing and therefore is not actually classed as orbital bombardment, due to being something even worse and more terrifying method of destruction that was lost when the Rakatta empire fell.
@@wedgeantillies66 I'd still class that as an orbital bombardment. Just one that's long and powerful enough to melt the planet's surface.
@@beskamir5977 To me, given what we know of it, sounds closer to what the covenant use to destroy a planet in Halo. More of a complete destruction of a planet as the intended goal. Which although is something that orbital bombardment is used for occasionally its more used a scalpel rather than a hammer.
@@wedgeantillies66 Glassing is a type of Orbital Bombardment.
In the rest of the SW context though.....the Turbolaser strength goes up and down, depending on what the plot needs them to do. We have the Base Delta Zero, which is basically liquefying the crust....all the way down to barely puffs of dirt, with absolutely no blast, heat or pressure. SW is exceedingly inconsistent in this.
In the halo universe, certainly, though as we don’t know enough about how the Rakaten achieve the devastation they wrecked on Tatooine cannit day for certain that is the case, coujd have easily have been some form of dark side Artefact or powered bomb left in the surface.
Certainly orbital bombardments happen, for strategic of tactical objective. As a base delta zero is so sparingly used with calm as the only example of it being used in lore.
For perspective, the bombing of Taris was so monstrous that Saul Karath, who seems to have rationalized and justified the Telos 4 bombing, was left speechless and questioned Malak on the need for it, and complied when Malak threatened him.
Honorable mention of Tipoca City, a devastating canon example. Casualties were minimal, that much is true. However, in-universe, the loss of the clones' homeworld and the forced uprooting of any remaining Kaminoan cloning tech was catastrophic. Additionally, the out-of-universe dramatic end of an era became a haunting theme for many Star Wars fans.
One you didn't mention, that I think has interesting implications, is briefly mentioned in Kotor.
Tatooine.
It was originally a lush, green world. Home to the people who would become the Tuskens.
But then the Rakatan Empire came, and glassed the entire planet, leaving nothing but glass and sand behind.
Just imagine how things would be different on Tatooine, if it weren't a barren desert.
Anakin, 26k+ years later: "I don't like soil..."
i finished Enemy Lines 1 2 days ago and i loved the way Allston described the bombardment of Borleias as this long dead tactic brought back and the way Jaina is just in awe of the destructive power that is shown. also the way Wedge and Tycho describe the bombardment as an enemy that the Vong is not ready for is just super cool
#AskEck A Halo question here: One thing I couldn't understand in the Halo: The Fall Of Reach novel is why the ODP generators were on the planet. How did they get power from the surface to orbit? It's not like they ran a couple hundred kilometers of cable; you'd've seen it in the first Halo 2 mission.
Direct microwave wireless beaming? Or maybe they've had some other type of non-physics wireless energy transmission by this time.
@@AlphaAurora They did mention something to do with that earlier in the novel (re: the Mjolnir armour) but they did make a point of saying it was impractical
@@AlphaAurora I'm pretty sure you've got it on the head. Having the generators on the ground makes some sense, if you CAN move the power over 100-500km distances. Even if the stations are destroyed, the energy can be used on something else, like defense turrets and whathaveyou.
They have wireless power transfer.
It's not fully explained, but the older Mjolnir Marks had a model that used this technology.
Its also explained that ODP power plants beam the power wirelessly in other sources.
Earth's ODPs had built-in power generators
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I think a pretty good example of a bombardment was the destruction of taris upper city in Kotor. Edit: posted before watching the video. Glad it was covered!
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Star Wars turbolasers are so inconsistent on orbital bombardment. They do whatever the plot calls for
I'm re-watching Rebels since my wife has never seen it, and in one of the first couple episodes they casually reference a base delta zero happening. It was so subtle i missed it the first time
It's also not the first BDZ reference in Rebels
One ship is enough to destroy a planet given enough time.
Or enough velocity, straight into a moon or just hitting the planet.
A few hundred years give or take
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First half of the title had me thinking this was a Helldivers 2 clips video lol
Orbital bombardment in Star Wars battlefront: stopped with a squad shield
Orbital bombardments in lore: makes the covenant glassing beam look like amateurs
Humbarine was also pretty bad.
The greatest atrocity in all of star wars history is when Qui Gon saved Jar Jar.
Change my mind.
It's when Plo Koon found Ahsoka. XD
Then the Gungans wouldnt have been on board with resisting the Trade Federation and thus the Naboo resistance would have been crushed.
God, this has 2014 written all over it!
Read the webcomic Darths and Droids for a better Jar Jar.
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Calmas is the worst tragedy out of the above named examples of an orbital bombardment as the entire planet is completely ravaged and destroyed. With whole act being a calculated act on the empire's designed to destroy the calmas people as a whole in a mass act of genocide, that wasn't completely successful.
7:00 baby starts up
Raven's theme starts playing for no reason...........
Eckharts laadder: well i guess im not going to like who they are going to grow up into? as they only piped up after talking about the destruction of taris.
While turbolasers were not a primary weapon in it, the sterilization of Geonosis is a pretty notable one too.
Can you do a video on the parallels between Star Wars and Hinduism?
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I've noticed that you probably might have forgotten. Sort of similar of an orbital bombardment, but what about Vardos and Operation Cinder from Battlefront II during the campaign with Iden Versio?
No one forgot, this is a Legends video.
@@Kamiyoda oh alright.
I don't think you linked the video, I was really hoping to see it!
Something about orbital bombardments I feel like people don't realize is that they can be counterproductive and extremely risky. For one using it on a mass scale for anything but truly desperate circumstances completely defeats the point of invading the planet since now you have to rebuild all the infrastructure you vaporized which is going to be a huge logistical burden for a while. For intimidation it can work great (a particularly good example is the expeditionary force book series) where a few well placed strikes can force the enemy on the surface to accept that continuing to fight is entirely counterproductive. However that changes if the planet has hardened ground defenses that is either too costly or too difficult for an opposing fleet to neutralize such as ground based shields, surface to orbit weapons systems placed in concealment or under shields, orbital defense platforms that the opposing fleet has been unable to attack for various reasons, or an enemy fleet contesting the space around the planet. Or it may be like in 40k where the ENTIRE DAMN population of one of your planets has been turned hostile and for whom the concept of surrender is something that happens to other people. In order for a vessel to make a gun run it has to be relatively close to the planet and must maintain a precise course to get the best targeting solution. That means that a defending fleet that is outnumbered can create a stalemate by acting as a fleet in being making hit and run attacks on ships trying to make an orbital bombardment. In order to protect these ships the invading fleet would need to assign an escort which would draw badly needed vessels from the main battle line, defending any assault transports, or the logistics train. In this situation it makes much more sense to punch a hole in a planets defenses and insert an invasion force while concentrating fleet power on maintaining the beachhead. That way ground forces can slowly compromise the orbital defenses without having to risk the fleet. A regiment of marines can take out ground based defenses without needing to risk a very expensive warship. Limited orbital support is still perfectly workable, but if the attacking planet is sufficiently fortified it becomes much more expedient to use ground troops to cripple the enemy defense network rather than gather the enormous amount of ships required to do so otherwise.
Before watching I predict Malak’s bombardment on Taris will be covered lmao
Was is Manny Bothans who was responsible?
He died just before the battle of Endor, Mon Motha mentioned "that Manny Bothans died to bring them the information" about the Death Star 2.
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Malak waa a hard villain to top in KoToR 2, but damn did they do a good job with Sion and Keira.😂
#askeck Did the Ancient Sith know about the Star Forge? Ajunta Pall alludes quite heavily to the treasure of the Ancient Sith from his era to be the Star Forge, but I have yet to see this referenced anywhere else. I don't believe anyone other than the Rakatta, Revan, and Malak had anything to do with the Star Forge, or even had any knowledge whatsoever about its existence, and yet Pall seems to state otherwise and the Star Map is located within Naga Sadow's tomb, which couldn't have been a coincidence.
Continuity error? Plot thread left unresolved?
The Korriban Star Map was damaged, just like all Star Maps were. Even if they could access the Korriban Star Map and learn of the Star Forge it would have insufficient data to actually reach the Star Forge. They'd have to go find a several other Star Maps and it's entirely possible they didn't have a known hyperspace route out of Sith Space even if they had ships with working and fueled hyperdrives.
However, I believe Vitiate sends Revan and Malak to go find the Star Forge so clearly it's something the Sith were aware existed. Though perhaps they were unaware of how powerful it was or Vitiate believed he could easily control Revan and Malak and so didn't really mind them getting first dibs on the Star Forge.
@@beskamir5977 I'm not talking about the True Sith, I said the Ancient Sith.
@@Necromancer4267 The True Sith are direct descendants of the Ancient Sith. So I think it'd make sense for the True Sith to know about the Rataka through whatever efforts the Ancient Sith did to uncover Rakatan history.
It'd probably be too obscure, uncertain, and generally mythic to be taken seriously by most scholars within the Sith, but Vitiate had centuries to read obscure lore and myth to figure out what the Star Forge might be, or at least conclude that the Star Maps point to something worthwhile.
I think that makes a lot more sense than to have Vitiate figuring it out completely on his own without any prior archeological work from other Sith. Since Dromund Kaas doesn't have a Star Map, he'd need to go or send people to Ziost, Korriban, Malachor, etc if he was doing all the research himself.
It just seems a lot more reasonable that all of that was researched well before the Great Hyperspace War. Which would place it somewhere between around 7000bby and 5000bby. Most likely closer to 7000bby. Which then means Ajunta's era Sith may have been the ones to figure out that the Star Map is a broken map and assumed that it must point to some sort of ancient dark side treasure.
In the apocryphal lore of Supernatural Encounters, it is stated the True Sith and their sealed dominion at the edge of the galaxy have multiple smaller Star Forges that they use in their horrific wargames
@@blackshogun272That sounds like inconsistent worldbuilding that'd contradict other Rakatan lore.
I knew KOTOR would make this list.
Hey Eck,
So … I’m sure you’ve been thinking about it a lot and I’m sure they’ve changed over time. Im curious what your thoughts are on how you’re going to introduce your kid into SW? When do you start? Would you be disappointed if they didn’t engage at all? Would you start with something like lego? Chronological order? Learn-to-read books?
Last… what is your favorite piece of SW kids media?
I've been thinking of a incognito light saber design, one that acts like Ezra's blaster saber hybrid. Something I could hang at my hip as my "bounty hunter" equipment and looks and acts like a pistol like blaster. My fav type of saber has to be Count Dooku's with its curved style. Its familiar with weapons I've already trained with. Dooku's curved hilt already gives him the rapier like stance where his blade is pointing directly at the foe, rather than a vertical position, this would lend it self well to pointing and shooting as a blaster design as well. Perhaps it could take the same concept as the saber rifle in the Jedi archives except much much weaker and doesn't risk burning out the crystal. I could envision some "barrel" like attachment that I put on the saber when wishing to be incognito, that makes it look and act like a pistol but hinders the ability to light it like a normal saber blade while the barrel is fixed on to the end of it
So Space Battleship Yamato 2199 but in Star Wars. Looooovely.
I like to think that the outcasts of Taris were safe in the promised land.
The Outcasts actually made it just moments before the bombardment started, but while they were safe, they lost most of the luxuries in the Promised Land.
A good example of tactical bombardment and my personal favorite is Operation Emperor's Hammer. But that's just because I am an Antilles fanboy.
Hey Eck!
Yeah, space lasers usually hurt
Then you have the pathetic orbital bombardment in Rebels that are out run by speeder bikes.
How did the bombardment from Ahsoka not make this list? Those gunners killed a lot of grass
Pretty sure tantiss will be base delta zero’d. It’s been a sub-theme of the bad batch. Hopefully we’ll see a big isd do it.
Surprised you didn’t mention Tatooine, since it wasn’t always a desert planet
"Remember, its not a war crime if you win"
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Dead men tell no tales
Orbital bombardment is slower and more painful than the death star (rather obvious really).
It's rather horrifying to think about.
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Wasn't tattoine destoryed by orbital bombardment by the rakkaten empire?
Question: I know there would be a TON of variables, but who do you believe would have the advantage between the defenders of a world and invaders coming from outer space?
What’s the music called in the beginning of the video
7:11 I think the Taris bombardment is the best use of a bombardment but still falls short at the last step. I wish I had the option in dialogues throughout the game to show that I'm obsessed with stopping Malek *specifically* because of what he did at Taris. Nothing Malek's Sith empire does is even close to being that evil again. Other characters hardly talking about it is weird, but you can chalk it up to "trillions dying is not going to be *that* noticable to a galaxy of quadrillions of sentient beings. If I got to roleplay being way more bothered than everyone else seemed to be, it would also do more to highlight the straight up immoral amount of complacency the Jedi council was showing, which would have contributed to Revan remembering who he is as someone with huge problems with the Sith *and* the Jedi.
Instead it feels like I'm supposed to brush past Taris as an individual event except when affects the personal life of my crew members
#AskEck, if & when your kids are old enough, are you going to have them review _Star Wars: Young Jedi Adventures_ ? Because I honestly want your kids’ perspective on this TV series…
Didn't the Yuuzhan Vong commit orbital bombardment during the Fall of Coruscant?
Darth Malak. No Jaw. No Chill.
#AskEck Has there ever been a large scale attempt to mobilize Force users in a secular manner? Like no sprititual teachings, just treating it like an inherited trait to be used (like how wookies were good laborers because of their physical strength)
Why was there a whole ass ecumenopolis left completely undefended in this instance. Don't think such a massive and populated planet should be able to be destroyed by a random imperial ship pulling up and choosing violence.
#AskEck Speaking of orbital bombardment and their lasting effect, is that what happened to Mandalore in canon? In the The Clone Wars tv show, we are introduced to Mandalore and its domed cities, domes that are design to protect the people from the ravaged outside land and in Rebels, Sabine Wren confirms that the destruction was done through military means. So, is the surface of Mandalore renderd inhabitable due to an orbital bombardment or not? And if not, what could have rendered a entire planet so inhospitable?
Seems like they proton bombed it
@@EckhartsLadder That's grim, 'cause I feel like there's something more personnal in a in athmosphere bombardment... Weird to think that the Jedi and the Republic are responsible for something like that...
Anyway thanks for the answer!
#AskEck at 2:32 the gunner calls their ship an “m-star deuce” which I’m assuming is a nickname for an imperial II class which is unbelievably rad, anyone with even a slight interest in military anything prob knows there’s countless slangs and nicknames soldiers give to their equipment, are there any more notable cases of this in Star Wars?
Imp star deuce!
1:32 so in legends the new republic also fell after 40 something years?
Legends has a better enemy to do that
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What about Operation Durge's lance? Humbarine was completely destroyed.
Then again, in terms of storytelling, the fact that Grievous bombed entire ecumenopolis under it's crust melted never really got more than background mention.
anyone know what game that is at 0:25?
I always thought the bombardment of Taris was dumb. Wouldn't that have taken a long ass time? Actually the planet itself doesn't make much sense to me. It's supposed to be a world on the outer rim, yet the entire planet is covered in city scape?
What about mandalore??
#AskEck why was the Empire so dead set on employing tactics and doctrines that were downright ridiculous and resource prohibitive for what it is they wished to accomplish? I mean what is the point of building and crewing an ISD if you’re just gonna park it off a hyperspace lane and only hassle freighter captains for months on end?
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The most recent episode was a perfect example of Disney being reluctant to kill people while somehow trying to be more serious. The island should have been bombed my the Venator as soon as Onega was captured.
Why didn't Alderan make the list?
Orbital bombardments might be horrible from a moral perspective but they're also really cool. Even the name, orbital bombardment, sounds cool.
Actually, Taris had a population of 6 billion by the time of the jedi civil war, which had shrunk from 60 billion a century prior.
#AskEck How did the GA restored Coruscant after defeating the Yuzhan Vong?
Love me some Star Wars. But when it comes to the consequences of losing control of orbit, it’s Halo.
In fairness, star wars ships are almost never in "true orbit" and are usually just hovering above a planet at a distance that can be called space. This is also why, like at the start of ep 3, if you bust up a ship it can fall. Because it needs power and repulsors to NOT fall on the planet it is hovering over.
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Change my mind
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Bombarding in general is a messy violent affair far as combat goes. Like narrated, its basically what air support is. BD0 is pretty much genocide while the other is pretty routine fire support.
The narrated gunner was right to not be thrilled to be doin something that WASNT actually his job an should be releivied to switch to relatively quickly fighting incoming enemy craft
Am I crazy, or did the name of this video change between upload and 10 hours later?
I did but they didnt
Who mourns for Taris?
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And the TOS Enterprise could do most of this singularly... 😁
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Darth Malek is probably one of the galaxies strongest haters