Why the Kingdom Hearts Community isn't Getting Along
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- čas přidán 28. 08. 2024
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The label comment was so true. It’s so easy to just label someone as a KH2 elitist or KH3 defender. I’ve been guilty of this and I think it’s really easy to just generalize people into these categories.
I think the change comes from respecting other’s opinions and realizing that other people can have opinions opposing yours. This doesn’t invalidate your own opinion. Though I’m sure most of the people who are here probably agree and I’m just preaching to the choir.
Anyways good job man! This was very well said!
Someone having different opinions from yours doesn’t make them automatically objectively correct.
If people can't unite and overcome trivialities or differences in opinion over video games it tarnishes the experience for those who aren't as heavily invested. Fanbases can ruin great things because of this, and it ultimately breeds a toxicity in the community that alienates others.
For a franchise with themes about the power of friends and those who are connected to you, it's a sad dark irony.
i couldnt agree more. i also enjoy your form breakdown keep doing an awesome job
I totally agree with you but if i tell someone that I enjoyed it for what it was and they go and say "your an idiot that game is trash." Shitting on other ppl's opinion and being toxic,that's where my issue lies
@@LuckyRoooyt I've honestly stopped my association with the fandom... Too many Toxic weebs... Which makes me lament, As KH is what Tied a few of my friends and I Together. What Have we done?
The Community after KH3 is like the Avengers after Civil War, split and torn apart, waiting for the inevitable (Thanos and the Foretellers).
This means kh 3.8 is gonna be trash and then 4 will be totally amazing and will bring the entire community together
What about Star Wars? III is like The Last Jedi and IV will be like Rise of Skywalker.
@darklordster I think so, with Disney rendering the entire Legends(EU?) canon, non-canon, that probably caused a major split. That was before the resurgence right? The majority of SW fans still believe Legends is canon. When Disney bought Lucasfilm I tuned out because I knew Star Wars was gonna be Disney-fied, so I'm not sure when the big split happened.
@@thefruityking6722 I'd say a big split was when the prequel trilogy came out.
accurate
I’m just upset that characters I’ve been waiting to see interact and talk for years never even said a word to each other or barely spoke(Ventus and Roxas, Xion and Kairi, TERRA AND RIKU, even Riku and Kairi never even really talked) the pacing was off and the entire endgame just felt like they threw the rest of the characters in with no regard for giving them time to meet and interact, when that’s supposed to be the best part of these epic grand slam series finishers and don’t even get me started on how they handled Kairi
Edit: the Disney worlds also felt like they were the most irrelevant to the plot in the entire series, we just kinda ran around, a villain pulled up, talked shit, and left.🤷🏾♂️🤷🏾♂️🤷🏾♂️
Overall I still enjoyed the game but saying it’s free of problems just ain’t it fam
God, does it really matter that Roxas and Ven need to have a full blown conversation about how they look alike or something? How they handled it is what I expected, because what else could they do but look at each other and be like "huh."
96283522847192 17372 and I hate how there is people who will actually feel that the disappointment doesn’t matter when it comes to something as drastic as the last 3 hours of the game and how you feel it was handled, many people are happy the groups reunited or that they got to fight many org members etc etc but they shouldn’t ignore the other parts of these whole segments
And that’s valid! The point of this video tho is that you should be respectful in regards to your opinion, and realize that others may not agree.
Kingdom080500 Okay, then what about Terra and Riku, you can’t say that wouldn’t have been a beautiful scene. The student ended up falling into the same trap and mistakes as the master, and they both made it back and redeemed themselves, a full blown conversation and learning about each other’s struggles and what they share could have been one of the best scenes in the game maybe even the series
DetectiveBobbyFulbrightTheSpiritofShiningJUSTICE yeah I still enjoyed the game, but I can’t lie and say there were areas where I was disappointed , but that’s okay
I think one thing that would've done the game some good was give the story more room to breath instead of shoving it to the back end.
I couldn't agree more. Some of the Disney worlds (Tangled and Frozen) were an absolute chore, I was literally struggling to stay awake through most of it. I loved what we got in the end but all I could think was "Wow... that was it? I mean I loved it but damn I want more...".
That’s an eloquent way of saying “Please don’t make the game 80% irrelevant filler”
Cill Bipher or not make the back end the J.J. Abrim's Burning Man experience that it was. A few organization boss fights in the middle of KH3 might help as well.
Cill Bipher
I agree.
Also You're name makes me smile
Nicole Bate I'm glad to have made someone happy :3
A lot of people have been talking about this subject lately and it goes without saying, I completely agree and am glad it's getting discussion, regardless if the video's are made with the intent to help fix the problem or not. I was definitely thinking myself that I don't want to be someone in this community who is ashamed to say I am apart of it. Hell, I was proud at a point to be able to say just that. It's never been that way and it's not that way now but recent events haven't been helping that either. I think its very easy to just get along even if we don't agree with each other's opinions.
Exactly! I think it’s clear you and me dont share the same opinions, and that’s okay!
Just wait, in a few minutes someone Is gonna trash talk about this issue in this video, in a few minutes or hours. That Is the kind of people you would call, the worst part of the community.
Just because we all have opinions doesn't mean we have to be ok with it. There are clearly disastrous flaws in KH3 yet people are still pretending that the game is perfect.
@@thefruityking6722 no game is perfect so why dont you just keep your thoughts to yourself
@@thefruityking6722 The way I see it, if it is okay for people to praise the game as a 10/10 there should be nothing wrong with someone considering it a 0/10. All opinions are valid. People need to understand that if nonstop praise is okay so should nonstop ranting no matter how much you may dislike that. You can't claim naysayers are taking it too far with criticisms yet be okay with the opposite by never saying people are taking it too far with the praise.
I played KH3 the day it came out, I was super excited for it the moment it was announced and followed it along every step of the way. The first day was so surreal and amazing, like nothing else I ever experienced. Reaching Twilght Town did put a bit of a damper on it when I saw how much of it was cut, but then going to Toy Box got me back into that blissful state. From there I kind of wavered back and forth while playing, the final segments of the game with Aqua, Roxas and all of that made me so happy, but unfortunately by the end of it I did end up feeling a bit disappointed. I still went on to 100% and Platinum the game despite that though and I enjoyed almost all of it. But I've yet to go back to the game since then, not sure if my opinion on any of it would change. I do intend to play it on Critical some point soon before the DLC is out though, but I just didn't have that drive to hop in when it first got added.
I guess what I'm trying to say is, I loved the game, but I can tell it was flawed. I personally want to see the game get as many improvements as possible with the DLC or patches, but I'm not holding my breath either. That being said, I don't see the logic in either side, either attacking someone for criticizing it (because it does have it's problems) or for enjoying it how it is (since I did still love my time with it). I kind of just wish everyone else could use that same logic and not feel the need to take one side or the other.
Did I accidentally make a seperate account named "Chibi" and write out this comment or something, cause it sounds like exactly what I think. 101% agree
Yes! KH3 is my favorite KH game but i'm always talking about the problems with it, Links balance, Guard not working, party members hp on critical, stuff like that.
Chibi Exactly, I literally saw the reveal trailer for kingdom hearts 3 in 2013 while playing KH2. I too was disappointed with twilight town but yes toy box put me in a very blissful state on my first play-through. Hopefully the DLC can bring some of that magic back.
Chibi picture sauce?
Heh, well I'm glad to see so many people feel the same way. xD I usually feel like I'm in the silent minority since I don't interact in comments all that much, but it's kind of refreshing to know there are others who agree.
That being said I am super excited for the DLC and whatever games lie ahead.
Kingdom Hearts 3: ReMind me what happened again?
13 xehanorts (one of which was a riku) were killed by 3 soras and 2 rikus, then not-kairi-maybe-sora was revived and then sora died and one of the xehanorts survived and it was luxu(?) from that game you didn't think was canon. Also, time travel and replicas and friendship and secrets. Also hearts. And darkness.
@@MrSasyB Ok, I believe you.
Idk something about light, darkness, hearts, and friendship
@@MrSasyBFalse. Old Xehanort died. Ansem, Xemnas, Young Xehanort, Vanitas, Repliku, Xion and Terranort got brought back from the past for the big fight and then returned to their time. Saïx, Xigbar, Marluxia, Larxene and Luxord returned as nobodies to be vessel for Xehanort and then we killed them again, making them return as humans. Terra, present Xion, Naminé, Roxas, Ventus and Aqua got saved. Also Repliku gave Riku his blessing to smash Naminé before leaving. Sora got thanosed because he abused a plot convenI mean the power of awakening. But he saved everyone from death.
Oh yes, Xigbar is revealed to be Luxu who is the equivalent of Black Zetsu from Naruto.
Yesss thank you. Just a rehash for all the "inbetween games"
The story to me felt rushed and more sequel baiting instead of a proper end of an arc. It's been a bittersweet experience for me.
What really made the game feel underwhelming about 80% of the time, was that there was no middle arc.
Spot on dude
@@JohnSmith-up4wz Yeah without an middle arc it felt that nearly all of the main plot was with Riku and Mickey, once you did all the worlds once you never had a story purpose to return to them. Literally all the plot happens with no break when Sora joins Riku.
The game was pretty much speed through they disney worlds to get to the good stuff. But the good stuff was only at the end.
This perfectly explains my feelings towards KH3. I couldn't put it into words but you've done a brilliant job at it
Welcome to boss busters, this week we’re looking at the kingdom hearts community so buckle up and get your decisive pumpkins out
Harder than lingering will, vanitas remnant and bbs mysterious figure combined.
Not even the ultima weapon can save you now
@@Hives511 you need the X-blade to even stand any chance
More like the divisive pumpkin amirite
Watch out for the instant game-over move!
"verbal lynching"
Where everybody starts to insult you for being here...
I feel like, in a certain sense, KH3 was fated to be received negatively from the start. And I don't just mean because of fans overhyping it, although that certainly played a big role in the level of disappointment as far as I can see. But the problems run deeper, and really, most of us should have seen them coming as far back as Dream Drop Distance.
The story was not set up with any new ideas or mystery in mind like KH1 and 2 were. KH1 was a totally fresh game, and KH2 only had Chain of Memories as a lead-in, which itself was so chock full of mysteries that you still couldn't really figure out what you were going to be in for with KH2's story. We didn't know what the story would be, we didn't predict Roxas, we didn't know the Organization's goals, we really didn't know anything, and I think that mystique helped the overall experience when it first released.
But KH3 had a whopping 9 games of build-up (KH2, Days, BBS, Coded, DDD, 0.2, X, Union X, and Back Cover). And ever since Coded's secret ending, we knew who the main antagonist of 3 was going to be, and after DDD, we knew exactly what the primary conflict and the makeup of that conflict (the seven lights vs. thirteen darknesses) was going to be as well. Ever since DDD, we've had 0.2 and all the X games as further build-up, either not providing any new information or otherwise feeding us even more details that served to leave little room for ambiguity. So, going into KH3, we already knew what the objective was, who all the villains were (thank you, grossly over-marketing trailers that spoiled all the worlds and villains), and what the overarching plot was going to be. There was nothing left to leave to our imagination.
Besides that, the premise itself was really one-dimensional, which never left a lot of room for creative turns and excursions. With KH2 and 1, there were a bunch of pieces in play, with the Disney villains playing a significant role in the first game and Maleficent and Pete playing a really fascinating role in the second, along with Riku's turn to darkness, Axel's quest to reclaim his friend, Roxas' struggle for identity with Sora, and just a crapload of other subplots that all lent themselves really well to fleshing out the narrative. But KH3 was so single-minded and so linear that it felt hollow. Not to mention the fact that yes, the power of waking as a driving plot device was a total sham. Now, I personally think they could have just run with the excuse that Sora needed to spend the first 80% building his strength back up, and at least that leaves us with a better reason for the Disney worlds than just trying to get the power of waking which it turned out was inside him all along, but if I'm being honest, I don't think that would have really saved the story. Yes, there were other concurrent plot threads going on like Riku and Mickey trying to save Aqua and Ienzo trying to reconstruct Roxas, etc., but all of those plot threads only served either as less interesting limbs of the main conflict, or otherwise as foreshadowing for the series' future. Now, to be fair, for all of that, I still thought the final 20% of this game (minus Kairi) was just fantastic. Certainly flawed in places, but overall, it provided me with the emotional catharsis and the sense of closure and resolution that I've wanted from this series ever since I was in grade school. And even though I know that to most, that isn't enough, for me, that makes the entire game worth it.
But yeah, the game was tainted from the start. It was tainted by far too many games of build-up, and it was tainted by Nomura's noticeably more plot-driven narrative style as opposed to the character-driven style he had early on. Now, personally, even though I think this game was ruined by its massive amount of baggage and overall poor storytelling, I did still enjoy it, and I'll anxiously await the DLC when it comes out. And as for the future of the series, I think I actually have more hope than most.
I was ALWAYS skeptical about KH3. Ever since DDD, ever since I got a glimpse of exactly what the conflict was going to be and what the story was going to be about, I KNEW it wasn't going to be as good as the first two were. Of course, like most, I was still excited, and I loved getting the chance to play it, but I think I managed to love the game more because I had fewer illusions going into it than most of the fanbase did. There was no way, in my mind, that this game would turn out to be as magical as KH2 or 1 because the setup for it was overblown and overly forecast. But now, they have something of a clean slate to work with.
Even though personally I hate the idea of the Foretellers as the new villains going forward (they're boring, inept, stupid-looking, and they have no definable goals), I am excited to jump into the unknown for the first time since the end of KH2. Now, this is hoping, of course, that the ongoing developments in Union X (fuck that game) don't spoil too much of what's to come. And they might, knowing Nomura. But if they don't, then I eagerly look forward to the series FINALLY moving forward into unexplored territory, and I'm thirsty again for a KH game where I DON'T know what's going to happen, and where I can just ride the crazy train to a new destination.
Going to have to somewhat agree with you on the lack of mystery part. The trailers spoiling pretty much everything didn't help. The reason why I still have kh1 as my favorite game in the series is because of how well they executed that sense of mystery which was the original tagline of the first game "Kingdom Hearts you never know who you'll run into next."
Right down to not knowing which world you were going to go into or who you were fighting such as running into Squall while wondering who this Leon character Donald and Goofy we're supposed to find, seeing Cloud walking into the collisium, Sephiroth being the mystery platinum match opponent, and even Chernabog appearing at the End of The World. It's that sense of not knowing who you were going to run into that none of the other games have been able to capture compared to the first game.
I never really thought of it that way, but that makes a lot of sense
@@meteornome2556 Yes. I think the best thing us Kingdom Hearts fans could do for ourselves in the future would be to just limit ourselves to only one trailer so as to preserve the mystery, because God knows we can't rely on Square Enix to not throw a thousand trailers at us for marketing. I really do believe the backlash to this game might not have been as bad if they hadn't spoiled 90% of the game in all the trailers-it led to disappointment when we realized how little else there was in the actual game.
@@Kira1Lawliet I enjoyed kh3 because of how limited my knowledge was of the trailers and because I didn't know what to expect. The only kh trailer I saw was the 2015 and I believe the 2016 trailers. I didn't even view the theme songs until when I finally played the game. Ironically it was kh2 that I spoiled myself silly when it first came out, so I learned my lesson long ago.
@@meteornome2556 Good for you. I can only imagine the will power it must have taken to steer clear of all those endless hyperific trailers these last four years.
I Love the Kingdom Hearts series to death, but always strayed away and in general don't like the community for the main reasons you pointed out. it sucks but its the honest truth
If you look hard enough you can find really cool people, but also a bunch of people spreading needles toxicity. for series with friendship being one of the core themes, there sure is a lot of dissonance in the fandom. I wish people could get along better.
Honestly had to leave the fb groups that weren't intentional shitposters because the community was so toxic and childish whenever they were serious
ApothisIII oh hell yeah. you'd think with the theme of KH the community would be most understanding but it's far from that
It’s like that with almost everything. Not being mean, just some fandoms are secretly toxic
the community used to be chill and friendly then after kh3d and increasing fans in the community it become more and more toxic, just like every communities out there
Kingdom Hearts 3 ended the keyblade war and started the community war. I used to love creating KH content but everyone just feels so unenthusiastic about the series now from what I’ve seen.
I believe that we were burned out from KH3
That's kinda tragic but there's always someone looking at your hard work!
Except for the meme fraction they come up with new ideas and cursed images every day
Yeah, it's kinda sad :/
13th Seeker No one was burned out. People are just bummed out by the mediocre writing that went into this game. They’s a reason why the Witcher 3 and god of war get the praise they get. I won’t even dive into why it’s a disappointing sequel to the other 2 but it just felt like no real passion was put into this. Even FFXV was garbage, I mean what is going on down there? if FFVII turns out to be the same, I’ll be seriously pissed
Wow i really needed to hear this. This voices precisely what's been going on
The community is going down hill. You have shippers trashing each other ships, drowning each other’s ideologies and theories. Calling people fake fans if they haven’t been here since kh1 or if they are giving constructive criticism about the game. Its sad to see a community that I love take a turn for the worse. Especially the shipping, the shipping is straight up toxic. Whatever square plans for the future I hope they keep the friendships strong, and the bonds stronger. And the story consistent.
I feel like the shipping is more toxic than the Persona fandom’s ships.
And that’s saying something...
DetectiveBobbyFulbrightTheSpiritofShiningJUSTICE Your right absolutely right on that notion
@@BobbyTheGamerOfJUSTICE You're not wrong about that. I don't remember Persona shippers harassing voice actors and devs on social media over their ships.
I think shipping is fine and the fanart is cute but the problem is when they try to desperately convince everybody that their ship is canon. Like no ship is canon until Nomura says so, shut up lol.
Cal Smith Exactly well said. Everyone needs to calm down when it comes to their ships. I honestly have seen a lot of tearing each other down in regards to ships to the point where I couldn’t enjoy it anymore. I am now on a path of a new ship called friendship because in a series like kingdom hearts friendship is often the best.
Ever since KH3, i dont have the same passion for the series anymore. And that sucks because i used to LOVE KH, maybe im getting too old for it...
I've had the same feeling, my friend. Maybe that will change once I play KH3 for a second time, or maybe not. That's fine. There are plenty of other games out there that are worth our time. I personally recommend Horizon Zero Dawn if you haven't had the chance to play it.
Same. But its not just that. Its gaming in general.
Well, it is a series for kids. So it’s understandable if your growing out of it.
@@BobbyTheGamerOfJUSTICE its pretty dark for a kids game. Lol well, once you get to Birth by Sleep
Maybe I feel that same way as well. They should have made Kingdom Hearts III for teens and adults...especially if you want to follow the Harry Potter route.
Thank you. You and superbutterbuns are the saving grace of the community
And Sarahkey
@@BobbyTheGamerOfJUSTICE and Jared from TGJ!
Fun Fact: I’ve met Haley Joel Osment at the Boys premiere in May at Tribeca. He was awesome and says he adores Sora and had fun recording the secret ending. I was still bummed that he didn’t know where Elizabeth Shields was sitting at the premiere.
Personally I loved kh3, but i can understand why people didn't like it, it had a lot of flaws. And it's perfectly fine to not like kh3, because it's a game and an opinion.
I personally disliked it because of the lack of challenging bosses, a terrible ending, and the dumbed down game play. also another major drawback for me was the lack of final fantasy character cameos.
That said it's a decent game, it just didn't hit the mark for me. The thingthat killed me the most were the bosses honestly, Even on critical mode...
@@joshuafallet5690
Terrible ending, as in final boss or the actual ending cutscenes itself?
@@alexappsapp1332 again it's my personal opinion but the end as a whole was unsatisfying. I beat xenahort on proud mode at lvl 40 with little effort. The ending scene was an unsatisfying way eliminate the biggest enemy in the franchise. Saying goodbye like he was an misunderstood friend, instead giving of what a manipulative tyrannical madman deserves.
@@joshuafallet5690
Well I mean, in the end he was senile yes, but Xehanort was a lot more noble in his actions and motives, especially when you look at his younger side. The fact that Xehanort acknowledged and gave up when he realized he was wrong made him earn that send-off imo, I mean he straight up gave the X-Blade to Sora.
I hate it. But that's just me :p
A video this community needs. Good job. The community has been on edge the past few months.
I liked KH3, I have some criticism over the combat and story but ultimately I was satisfied with the game. Even after 6 playthroughs I still think it's a very enjoyable game.
I just hope the whole community can see this. I agree wholly
I know this is late but videos like this almost prove to me that games aren’t as bad as people claim. In this day and age, people conflate "good" with their own personal sense of what is good. If something doesn’t match someone’s specific tastes, they consider it ‘bad’ rather than simply not being for them.
People complained about the pacing issues of 3 while ignoring the First Half pacing issues of KH2.
They talk about how easy it was to cheese bosses in KH3 while ignoring the super cheese of KH1 and Re:Com
NO KH game has been perfect. All of them have had various story/plot/pacing/gameplay issues.
The greatest sin of KH3.....is thats its just another KH game!
It wasnt a GRAND POWERFUL WORLD ENDING DEAD REVIVING S U P E R G A M E. Nomura had always said that it was not gonna be the end of the series and more on the way. I think THATS where the true divide in the fanbase came from.
All of those issues are common complaints fans haven't ignored. The Roxas tutorial in Kingdom Hearts II is one of the most well known issues fans have had with that game, and Sonic Blade in CoM is another big complaint is always brought up when you watch a critical review of the game.
Yes, but when certain fans bash KH3 they dont even acknowledge the flaws. They only act as if KH3 was the one with issues. Which isnt fair at all.
Man I love kh1 the best. It has an atmosphere of mystery that has yet to be replicated. I can't bring myself to play kh3. I dont want to hate this series.
I love the series, and I love KH3, but I don't think I can call myself a fan anymore after all this (as far as being a part of the community goes, at any rate). There have been games that were divisive in their communities that I liked (Dragon Age Inquisition and Yakuza 6 come to mind) but I always felt like I could have a good discussion about what worked for me and what didn't as well as others' experiences in those games. The KH community to me just seems like it has been in a state of non-stop screaming ever since 3 dropped and I've honestly had enough.
That's how I feel about Star wars too I loved all 9 movies that came out and when the force awakens first came out I thought it would FINALLY get everybody on the same page again but it's even worse than when the Prequels came out in terms of the fandom.
As a person who got into the fandom a month before kh3's release I was defiantly accused of being a fake fan and "too young" to even be in the fandom, the community is very divided and people can't really like things without being called (x) (this goes for a lot of the fandoms)
Its chaotic i swear hence i just keep kingdom hearts to myself a lot these days, sadly this is how people are like.
Bless you, Soraalam1. I didn't even know I needed this video in my life, but I did. Despite your hopes for it not happening, I DO hope people get something from this video... and can just try and be more civil with each other, try and understand the other side, and stay out of conversations they really don't belong in. If nothing else, I hope whenever we get information about the next game will start drowning out all this negativity surrounding KHIII.
I'll say this, the video helped in further seeing why people will complain about the combat. Even though I don't mind the flashiness and the combos, I can see exactly why some will complain and point out the flaws in the system.
Honestly as someone who really enjoyed KH3 to the point where I played all the HD collections before it's release so I could enjoy what it had to offer even more, it sucks that all this turmoil and discord has to happen due to it.
Sometimes it's hard to read between the lines of serious criticism or just bashing cuz it's KH due to how negative it was being portrayed by those who know nothing about KH, or those that don't give KH3 the time of day because it isn't like KH2FM.
I feel like the expectation and anticipation for talk about KH3 is the major factor at play, even before the game people were talking about how it would live up to the other games or if KH3 will be worth the years of waiting.
In the end, I enjoy KH3 and say it's my favorite game in the series. But I can see the flaws people point out regarding combat and definitely the pacing, but I still enjoy it nonetheless. Just gets tiring when you see someone just hating the game for no reason, or just listing all the flaws of KH3 and saying "This wasn't a problem in KH2." or "Wow even KH1 did this right." At this point I just want to enjoy KH3 and Re:Mind once it comes out!
And as final words even though you probably won't read it. Thanks a lot for the video Dean, it really got my head thinking about this whole situation! And to anyone who's actually read this, thanks for taking the time outta ya day to do that and may our hearts be our guiding key!
The biggest disappointed is sora can't wear ancient armor like terra
Actually i really enjoy kh3 so much lol
I personally loved kh3,the story had me so emotional from start to finish,and personally that is what I look for in a game. Did I enjoy the story and the answer to that is YES,however I do understand it is flawed I can admit that. I still had fun and literally the only issue I had with the game was how Kairi got treated. She is my favorite and eventhough she did help out in her own way I think she deserved far better as the leading lady of the series,still it wasn't all bad.
Same
Yes, agree. Kairi continuing to get shafted was probably the worst aspect of KH3 to me. But I enjoyed the story for the most part. It could have been better paced and spread out through the game but 99% of the scenes in Keyblade Graveyard was all I ever wanted from KH3. The ending was great imo.
Same
@@braigybraig Pacing didn't bother me,as I was playing it I didn't even really notice it. Kairi did get to help by saving Sora and she was out there fighting and fighting fairly well until Xemnas showed up. I'm gonna say she was tired from fighting Xion and frightened by Xemnas when she got grabbed. The ending broke my heart because of how much I love Sora and Kairi. Seeing her murdered by Xehanort , plus cry at the end HURT.
I loved this video. You were very kind and logical. This game wasn't perfect, but I loved it and even though people criticized its story, it catered to most of my overall expectations. What's more is that this game's joyful tone helped me get through a bought of depression. It saddened me so much that the internet almost soured the experience with the toxicity, but I understand that there will always be those people. I'll never let anyone take away the joy this game gave me, and I hope your observations will get around and make people think and be more considerate.
I never was like a huge dedicated fan back in the past but now I'm really into Kingdom Hearts. I personally thought KH3 was good, not perfect but definitely not disappointing. I do wish the pacing of the games story was better in KH3, as well as harder bosses. 8 out 10 for me all in all.
Kh3 was like 38 gbs
Ff7 is two blue rays
I still wonder if nomoura really was working more on 7 than kh3
FFVII is just a bigger game. Remember that the original itself was so large it needed 3 discs. The remake is upscaled to modern standards of graphics and world size, so it's going to be much larger.
Eric Diaz I had the same reaction. Like did he show up once a month to just check up?
That's the thing: Square is putting everything on Nomura. As much as he want, he can't take so many projects alone.
@@stevenhiggins3055 that I get but seeing as kh started development back in 2013 2 years before we got a ff7 announcement it does seem odd how much bigger the game is, even with deep layers of details they are still only covering midgar, so it's a little puzzling ya know?
@@OfficialDjTalksick Even if the start of development was reversed, it would be the same thing. KH3 not being a remake means they don't have to scale anything up, which in turn means it can be smaller. But FFVII has so much content that has to be updated it would be impossible for it not to be vastly larger than most modern games
I wouldn't be surprised if the total data size of VIII after all parts are released rivals, or even surpasses that of FFXV after all DLC
It's because they Had more than enough time to create a surreal story telling experience to atleast be on par or maybe on the same level as Kingdom hearts 2. They however created a rushed game that failed to incorporate what made Kingdom Hearts what it used to be. Come on guys, they didn't include Final Fantasy characters! One of the biggest things that made the series, Sora and friends wouldn't of made it far at all without them.And don't give me that crap the series/story can stand on its own. They also as well decided to not include The collisuem, iconic keyblades and other iconic world's. After the creation of KH2( which is also argued to be one of the greatest Ps2 games of all time), it's easy to be almost utterly sick after this third installment. It had its pros of course, but it took them literally this long to create a shorter and also very underwhelming story. There were so many things that weren't wrapped up that we were looking forward too. Examples Clouds story, Leon/squall and the FF characters that saved you in the first installment. Beast and Bella, Ariel. And no one is also mentioning the incredibly disappointing Ending sequence, if you are a true fan you would know that Kh2's ending sequence and bosses absolutely crushed Kh3's rushed mess( fighting with Riku as a pair/Mickey, etc.). All in all, I understand what's being stated and the wrong doings of people in the community. But this was more than a just a game a lot of people including myself. It was a masterpiece that deserved time and thought put into third installment. And I just don't see that. Everything needed to be wrapped up and prepared for the future. In the end the future was prepared but I was left utterly and shamefully disappointed that this is what this franchise turned into after waiting for so long. I started playing the games when I was just a kid, about 10 or younger in fact. Now I'm 21 about to go on 22 and I can for sure say I won't forget the memories this franchise gave me. And for that I am grateful.
I agree with this so much bro. They had more than enough time to bring to us a competent game. Even if they hypothetically didn't fully work on it longer than 5 years (Which isn't true since they had AT LEAST 6 years to get their shit together) that's more than enough time to bring us a game that actually feels polished. What was the point of the handheld games if they weren't ever going to even capitalize on the story of those handheld games in KH3? And not including Final Fantasy characters was one of the biggest crimes imaginable. Even worse is it was probably because Nomura was throwing a hissy fit about FFXV. So fans have to suffer because of his ego basically (though I'm not going to say that's the reason FF characters weren't in KH3 but obviously his excuse is a complete bullshit filled lie).
@@litafbobpompeani7711 exactly friend
and we have exhibit A of exactly the type of person this video adresses.
@@JD-xm4uf I'm not putting the community in Jeopardy here. Opinions should be shared, but respectfully.
@@JD-xm4uf Why is that? He was polite, he was sharing his opinion and he wasn't insulting anyone. Soraalam1 wasn't saying that no one should criticize the game or square, he was just saying that the discussion should be civil. Dijon was civil. He didn't do anything besides offer his opinion on a game on a video about opinions about that same game. He wasn't insulting you by sharing how he felt. He did nothing wrong.
I hate the community cause of things like the “Aqua is norted” crowd, who were attacking other people in the community for something as dumb as theories prior to 3’s release. HMK basically started a shit storm against a guy with less than 5K subs because he disagreed with a stupid theory and none of the other X-keepers said anything about the matter. Shit was toxic af and went unchecked
The man himself. Great video.
Typical elitist comment. Smh
@@DETCREATURE 🤡🤡🤡🤡
Quambles you’re part of the Problem!
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I'm so sorry
I'm a huge KH fan (the kind that buys a console just for a KH game) and I haven't had any problems with anyone in the community.
Maybe it's coz I'm not talking to a fanbase online a lot but i dont think there's a need to have arguments to the point where fans of the same series have to hate on each other. I mean, come on, you may have your differences but let's just enjoy the game we love. Complaining about it too much will just leave a bad taste of the game you've enjoyed for a long time.
Yes, they may not have made things go the way some fans wanted but so what? They haven't killed off the franchise so let's be grateful for what we have and not live in a fantasy world where everything is created perfectly.
Hyped for the DLC in winter 😁
I dont like forgiving mistakes but as you said it is not so bad that they ruined the franchise like what pokemon is doing now.
@@MJ-oi6ul I mean mistakes they make can make the experience worse but not enough to make anyone feel the need to spread hate on other ppl of the community. Don't know much about pokemon but I hope that community also doesn't fall apart :)
Why can't we all just get along and move on from this? I loved KH3 even though I acknowledge it's flaws it was still an amazing experience finally playing the game after so long for me personally. If you disagree with me, that's completely fine because everyone has their own opinion and no one can judge you for that.
Why can't we all just agree to disagree and move on? Why is there all this debate over this in the community I don't understand.
Yea I completely agree with u
Well, I didn't enjoy KH3 that much because I saw too many flaws on it. The civilized way to understand each other's position is presenting arguments.
If you say "agree to disagree" and just move on, you may never understand WHY I think what I think, and viceversa.
Debating is important.
Kevin Chisolm It's a sign of maturity when you no longer let others opinions bother you. Most of these people haven't matured and this game is practically their religion and those that violate their beliefs are heretics
@darklordster Yeah I agree completely. Im all for criticism as it helps let the developers know where they are flawed and how they can improve on it and make it better. But I'm just wondering why people in the community can't have a respectful debate/argument over the game rather than just lashing out at each other simply because someone has a different opinion.
Welcome to fandoms I guess. KH just has a really riley one for some reason. I don't seem people literally making death threats arguing over sereis like Dragon Quest. but include Mickey Mouse and Nomura OC and people stop giving a damn about people.
As for why people can't move on.... who knows? Maybe they just have a lot of time on their hands and it makes for prime trolling metaerials. Maybe they legitmately feel like the game is unfortunately part of their identity as a person. In any case it's unfortunate people don't focus more on what makes them happy as opposed to obsessing over other's thoughts
As someone who came from the Sonic and Pokemon fandoms...
_This ain't nothing. :)))))_
I think a bigger problem I have with recent fans is more a less their complacence with either bad design or bad writing, I'm not hating anyone who enjoyed the game but at the same time I do think they would contribute to the problem of the games lowering in quality if Square actually listened to them and heard that they thought the game was fine. I criticize some of my favorite games of all time yet, I do so out of love and respect for them, and for someone to then immediately disregard that whether in a toxic way or not is insulting to me.
Try to be civil and all, but also I beg people to look into why others like certain games in the franchise, test stuff for yourself, and view explanations of it online. If you don't do that then I would struggle to take you seriously if you're not interested in having a game series improve.
I agree with you, what I usually see is "well it didn't bother me", like that's great if you are living with the issue but we shouldn't let bad things go unchecked or Square Enix and the team will think we want more of that.
@@Soraalam1 Additionally I would say I have plenty of complaints of my two favorite KH games, KH1 and KH2.
KH1 has a lot of janky fights, mostly the Riku fights and some magic spam is easily possible if you're a magic build.
KH2 has no jank fights in my opinion but has basically no tutorial for magic/summon use and also has no fun exploration outside of CoR.
Both games are basically 10/10 games in terms of my enjoyment of them but they still could have been better in various aspects.
Here's to hoping KH3's dlc will add a lot to it, my main hopes are nerfs to summons, snappier combo modifiers and obviously much more endgame content.
It doesn't matter either way. You could say that people "who don't care" would contribute to SE lowering the quality of their games and I could say the same about the opposite.
Case in point, Final Fantasy. The state that the franchise is now thanks to fans. They listened to the criticism, changed the game to what the fans want and it backfired on them really hard. That's the course over 5-6 games starting with FFX.
Even if they listened to the criticism, people would still complain about it which might lead to a point where SE just don't care about the franchise.
@@zeroskaterz92 I don't think people criticizing FF7 changed it, Square developed this mentality that turn-based = bad by themselves. What slowly ruined Square games was them trying to step away from what made their older games good.
It's quite a damn shame that KH3 ended up splitting the fanbase this badly. While I I do find KH2 to be the better game critically, I still like KH3 a lot when it comes to presentation and gameplay design. Hopefully the DLC will change my perspective of the game and get a much better experience. There isn't anything wrong pointing out the flaws of a new installment of a series and still have a great time with it regardless even if it's not your favorite.
Tyler Adase To me, it seemed sora was way more mature in kh2 with his emotions for certain events vs kh3 always optimistic and forced sadness sora for those moments he had. The focus on Disney worlds with a little bit of kingdom hearts sprinkled over them sucked the life out of me as well since I was so excited to get into this story after all this time like everyone else has waited. Kh3 has its story moments, it’s presentation of gameplay but I feel it drastically needs it’s roots in place of where it came from in the first place.
ZunDr0nL1kX Aaand that about sums up my experience
The Queen’s Watchdog that’s why I find myself to this day restarting kh2 just to play it for the story cause I know it’ll grab my attention the right way. When critical mode came out for kh3, I still haven’t touched it and I know, for me, the special edition was a waste of money. At least the book and pin is there for the collection I have, I guess.
ZunDr0nL1kX lol same
Great video man I'm still surprised that they are people who get mad at others for liking different things just because you didn't like something doesn't mean you have to hate on somebody for enjoying it. Just be happy they found something to like even if you couldn't.
I don’t regret finding Kingdom hearts fans to talk to online though regardless of this craziness
I think the problem is... there are fans who don't want to see the problems the franchise has. They think everything is fantastic and if you dare to say something negative about it, they will go for your neck like an angry dog and won't let you go.
Anyways... I don't have a problem with the gameplay experiments Osaka team has done over the years. I enjoyed the gameplay of all their games actually. My problem is... the story. And how it has been handled by Nomura since Birth by Sleep. The problem with Kingdom Hearts is that it has too many games that introduce too many plot points. If you only had KH, CoM, KH II and 358/Days, the story would be much more solid, and it would have allowed for a far better conclusion at KH III (obviously, it would be a very different KH III from the one we know). But by creating BbS, DDD, Union X and 0.2 and all of their new characters and plot twists that tie directly with the main plot... you just have too much shit going on! That's why KH III story and pacing is a mess: they needed to cover too much shit and end it all in one game. That cannot go well at all... specially if you want to resurrect everyone and make each and every one of the dozens of characters in the franchise have their own moments.
If they wanted to do spin offs, I'm fine with that. But do them as... well, actual spin offs. Side storys that don't have a major impact on the main KH plot and that are self contained in their own game. 358/2 Days is perfect at this, because it is a great story on its own and provides interisting details about some KH characters... but at the same time, it's not mandatory to understand the overall KH story nor affects it in a significant way.
At least... that's what I think.
It’s funny because we all embraced the problems the series has had before lol
I wonder if Verum Rex would count as a spin-off with the MoM making a cameo.
@@BobbyTheGamerOfJUSTICE I didn't embrace anything
@@meteornome2556 Well, since it will probably involve Sora coming back some way and Riku going after him, my guess it would be just like BbS and DDD. A main game disguised as a spin off...
I would agree, but then my favorite character (Aqua) was introduced in Birth By Sleep so I can’t fully agree 😂😂
My major irk, which turned me from the series, was story decisions. Some gameplay but largely story. So KH3 was my swan song tbh. A disappointing swan song but an end nonetheless.
Derek Hogan that was my experience as well. I could hang with the gameplay even with its spaminess...
But I felt like the characterization, story and writing of KH3 was just an awkwardly long fart noise. It just wasn’t it. It felt like a lot was missing.
Most people aren't outright against possible game play changes they are against folks calling the game trash. If you like something and someone says it's trash, it hurts. People aren't in the wrong for just having the opinion that the game is bad or lacking, a lot of us even present such opinions in a reasonable manner. But the sentiment alone is enough to get people upset, because people are people.
But what it is more annoying than anything to me is the folks who believe there is no possible way the game could ever get better and is un-salvageable. Like damn let me hope for patch, lol.
This was a great video and something that needed to be talked out, the kh community has always been amazing we don't need civil conversations to devolve into warfare, each person has their own opinions and that's completely respectable I personally loved kh3 and have fallen into the whole "I'm just not gonna try and say anything so I don't get called shitty names for having my own opinion" I acknowledge it's flawed and I try to talk about them, but thank you dean this video was really needed, and for all kh fans out there y'all are great let's just be civil.
I just hate frozen, and they just refused Sora and riku's kh1 drama for Axel and isa,
AND NO ONE CARES.
Axel: We are best friends.
isa: We are best friends.
Also Isa: You replaced us with new friends, I hate you! Wahhh!
Yeah. I got those Sora and Riku vibes from that scene too
I'm telling Justapancake, the Number 1 channel for Kingdom Hearts related content, on you!
Ok, I believe you!
While this, I'm just a guy who still haven't played KH3, so I'm kinda lost on all the "war" that is happening between the fans. I guess we can say we have a Keyblade War approaching...
A very insightful video. I've definitely gone wrong a few times, but I recognised I was getting bad and just stepped away from the series as a whole until I figure out how I feel about it.
It bothers me how a community can affect your enjoyment of a game. Seriously.
Possibly, but then I had people calling me a hater for pointing out legit concerns I had with the game's story/system so there we go.
3 is really fun and beautiful and still has good music. But it doesn't have the same heart and feel and charm of 1 and 2. Part of that could be because I was a kid when I played those.
i just played the collection on ps4 and honestly the third game doesn't feel like kingdom hearts anymore.Maybe cause i don't relate to these new disney movies and how all story bits was just the actual script being totally unaffected by the darkness but over all it feels like it was made to appeal to only the very very young gamers like actual 6 years old who just started playing a open world game with goofy characters and only are satisfied with side quests and mainstream stuff.Fucking floaty ass combat is just so cancer.
Every thing about this game is just so "casual" and that was not kingdom hearts at all.Even the day one difficulty proves who they were making this game for rather going for mysterious,inspiring and adventurous theme with a touch of sadness.Hopfully kingdom heart 4 shakes off this weird curse and moves one.
Thank you for making this video Soraalam1.
You along with Jared from TheGamersJoint, Sarahkey, KHCentral, among others are one of the most liked and respected members from the KH community that don't go over the top and acting negatively.
I HATED Kingdom Hearts 3.....but I’m not going to out of my way to bring someone down when they say they love the game! Why would people do that?? If you like the game, cool! I don’t. That’s that.
And what IS Re:Mind? It looks like just Cutscenes and you can play as others during the maze thing towards the end.
thelonewolf191 I’m on the opposite in terms of kh3 probably because I didn’t hype too much till the very end, they announced more than just those things
They’re supposedly adding a crap ton of bosses from what I’ve heard.
Re:Mind adds data battles and new bosses. There's also a new playable segment like BBS's secret episode.
I'm fine with people disliking the game, but only they present their issues and these issues are well explained. If I may, I want to hear your reasons as to why you dislike the game.
Personally I loved kingdom hearts 3, I understand and see the flaws myself and of course it's fine for people to not like the game, what irritates me to no end is when I see people either trying to trash talk people for liking the game, or vice versa, people trash talking people who didn't. How about people just let people have their own opinion of the game and not try and be an asshole about it?
Mildly Displeased Staravia well this is how the world is get over it
I remember waiting for kh3 i was so excited and ready to see what would happen i had avoided all spoilers refreshed my mind of every detail and when that day came and i opened kh3 i thought i was gonna cry the game we have all been waiting for is finally here and at first it was absolutely amazing but once i got past the first 3 worlds i just stopped being excited it lost the spark the story was very slow and nothing exciting was going on. And dont even get me started on frozen that world was torture i hated it. But i did enjoy the last world, i felt like the keyblade graveyard was how the game shoudve been and when comparing it to other games like kh1,2 and DDD it just doesn't feel the same i fell in love with the kingdom hearts games for that feeling i get by venturing around and fighting with a unique combat system and learning more about the story but kh3 felt like it was rushed almost it had potential to be the best game but its not even in my top 5. So kh3 was one of the worst kh games with the greatest potential. Thanks for reading
I love Kingdom hearts, can't stand the community. They make me question why I'm a fan in the first place. A bunch of elitist and you can't talk with them because if you make any sort of criticsm on the game they tell you, you don't know shit. Just some advice stay away from the kingdom hearts commumity. Love the game in secret.
Honestly bro, mostly everything I've seen is just wrong. Most of the criticism and hate for kh3 is just backed up by nostalgia. As someone who played all the games but didn't grow up with them, as someone who aspires to be a writer and understands what makes a story good I feel like kh3 has the best story and writing. And I personally enjoyed the combat. It was fast, responsive, and pretty to look at. Sure it was easy but it got really hard at the end at the aqua mission. And honestly I just don't understand the hate for the story. I personally had an easy time understanding it. It's not hard. I just feel like people are stupid and unself aware.
Most of the criticism don't make any sense at all, like for example the lack of worlds and how they feel rushed? Despite all of them being filled to the brim with life and color, and each being 3-5 hours long while kh2 worlds were each 50 minutes long at best. Quality>quantity. Also not to mention that the organization 13 members show up way more and do a lot more in the worlds, or how all the interludes each ads something significant to story when other games didn't do that. The hate for it is just a mob mentality in my honest opinion. I try my hardest to stay away from the fanbase tbh
Just give it a few years or maybe a decade for people to grow up and then the same shit will happen again for the next game. The new generation are always wiser and more accepting of change
For me, I got too damn old to enjoy it. It felt very juvenile and watered down. Too much cotton candy “friendship is my power!” Moments. Also the Frozen mountain.
We needed this game ten years ago. I’m really sad. As a kid I really loved the series so much-it defined my childhood and was what made me a “gamer”. My niece is 9 and adores it so perhaps my inner child is gone. 🤷🏼♀️
I loved kh3 and i dont understand what people are hating so much lol
Is it the lack of secret bosses,lack of ff7 characters or the story i mean in my eyes those are such minor issues.
The story was a good concluson and to me after playing res2,jugement and kh3 i can easily say its the best game of 2019 until now.
I got the platinium and 100% everything thats how much i adored it.
They even gave it a patch for harder difficulty and the upcoming dlc that will close some holes for those that think so.
Loved KH3.
My top 3 2019:
1) Sekiro
2) KH3
3) DMC V
I will play Judgement soon
I haven’t even watched the video yet, but I agree with you 👌
Lol
You'll agree more if you watch the video.
I mean the game really was trash. But that’s not toxic. We’re not attacking anyone personally. Just making statements against a consumer product.
exactly, your oppinion about the game it's ok, if other people enjoyed it is fine, but that doesn't mean that we have to be real and state when something is clearly wrong with the game
Gonzalo Vega Exactly. I’ll trash Kh3 until the day I die or they fix it. But I won’t go and call someone braindead for liking anything. That’s nonsensical.
Sadly, that's the problem with fandoms in general. In their mind they say, "I am a Kingdom Hearts fan" so whenever someone says anything that could be interpreted as negative about it they take it personally. That's what happens to you when you choose to define yourself by the things you consume.
I don't "hate" KH3, but I do think it's severely lacking compared to the rest of the series despite the major changes in quality. Both from my personal standpoint as well as the anecdotal pattern I've noticed, that's what's really disappointing most of the vets who aren't happy with the installment. Sure, you can try to apologize with arguments about engine changes and story closure, but that still doesn't make the game feel less hollowed, especially when just about all the stuff that was missing from KH3 was just about everything that I liked most about the series such as the Square cameos, Arena, and Radiant Garden. Even some of the more important aspects of the lore mechanics itself was neglected. The fact that things like Oathkeeper, the staple Keyblade that represents Sora's connection to Kairi, has to be DLC'd-in is something I'm still trying to fathom.
Like I say, I don't hate KH3, I enjoyed my playthrough, 100% everything the game had to offer, and cried like a baby at the end like everyone else did, but like even Dean here agrees, that doesn't the game above valid criticism.
The KH fandom has been so stressful that when the Re:Mind trailer dropped I couldn't find the energy to break away from my Persona hyperfixation to try to analyze it and figure out what was going on and it didn't matter what I was hyperfixating on pre-release, KH3 was my absolute life and dominated everything whenever even a drop of news happened. If the fact that as an obsessive person who loved the game I have to break away from KH conversation to not feel stressed, there's a problem.
(Side note: A lot of the people who go after KH3 fans and speak negative things to them are people who hated the story. I find the people unhappy with the direction the story took a lot more toxic than the gameplay ones. Like I was talking to a friend about general KH writing when compared to the writing of FFXV and another friend jumped in the conversation and started talking about why she didn't like KH3's writing when it wasn't even relevant. So yeah.)
it's sad I've seen both side be very toxic but for me I've seen a lot of people being more toxic cause I like the game even though I have my criticisms
That's fine, my friend. Liking something and wanting things to be better is a perfectly healthy behavior. I don't get why people have to murder each other over what's good, und what's wrong.
Thank you for making this Video Soralam I love KH3 I know it's bad and good sides I respect each other's opinions but to some people just don't want to admit or just try I don't wanna be rude to anyone by saying my opinion since I don't want everyone to argue and break apart just because of one problem and this is new to me speaking my own opinions is hard now since they can attack you now with no context argument and hate you for it I'm just scared now but still here proud to be part of the KH community hopefully what you said can't come true to where you will be embarrassed because you have a toxic fan base
For me Kingdom Hearts series ended with KH3, as growing up with KH1 I expected Kh3 to be THE KH game of all time, it's such a dissapointment, I played it for a week and never touched it again. Nomura fucked it up pretty hard. KH3 was a big dissapointment for me, I will buy the DLC though, it's their last chance.
Don't expect the DLC to fix the issues.
@@MarlonOgbeide KH has rereleased before to fix story and gameplay issues and add more post-game. With the way that ReMIND is looking to be based off trailers alone, ReMIND is likely one of the pieces to KH3's "Final Mix"
@@lilfrostyy8829 I'm just saying 2 base Skeloton of a game wasn't broken just missing pieces.
@@MarlonOgbeide It actually had some massive issues with balance like KH3. The balance issues being a lot of people's complaint with the combat: being too simple and over-reliant on attractions. In the case of KH2, many people (to this day) say "mash X/Triangle to win" which is true for anything but Critical.
@@lilfrostyy8829 Even in critical KH3 still has balancing issues links can kill bosses in a few hits and attractions are still broken, granted you can turn them off. A problem with KH3 is that it has really bad damage output.
I feel like KH3's biggest issue, even before release, was that it took too long to come out. Not that I'm upset with how it turned out or anything, but like, it was being hyped up for so long to the point that fans had borderline unrealistic expectations for it going into the experience. As someone that's been a fan of the franchise since I was introduced to it by my mom's roommate when I was, like, four (about a year or two after KH1 was released), I admit, I had some of those kinds of expectations and immediate disappointments myself, but when I took a step back and looked at it objectively, I loved it just as much as the other games in the series. I don't think it was the content (or lack thereof) that made people hate KH3, it was the amount of time they had to wait for it all.
Regardless, I'm excited for the DLC coming out at the end of this year, and I hope everyone else is too.
I couldn’t agree more
Riley the Cutie I totally feel what you’re saying but at the same time I can’t help but feel like the game should’ve had just about as much stuff in it as the other final mixes. While you can argue and say it totally does, I just don’t feel like that sometimes and on top of that it’s the first numbered game to have original worlds be shafted so hard like this and I’m just not for it and I wish I didn’t feel this way, I know I shouldn’t be looking forward to the dlc to add in a whole world or expand upon the existing ones but what else am I supposed to say
@@SSlash What were the Final Mixes if not an early way of adding extra content to the base game? That's what DLC does, no? At least they're not exclusively doing Final Mixes (as I'm not sure if KH3 will or will not eventually have one) to charge everyone full price twice anymore, and simply giving a way to buy the added content on it's own if you already own the base game.
Riley the Cutie I mean yes it’s great that we’re not going to have to pay $60 for the new stuff of course, by no means should we be having to do that in this day and age with dlc but I think that while it was stuff added later you could say some of it was stuff that they wanted to have in the game to begin with but it’s always felt extra to me, where as with kh3 I walked away from it wondering “why was twilight town so small? Where is oathkeeper & oblivion? Why was Scala not even a world? What about radiant garden? Final fantasy? Why is dark inferno so bland?” All things we could see being fixed with the dlc and while KH2fm added a whole ton of stuff, I don’t think anybody beat the game back in the day and thought that they needed more synthesis stuff, another drive form, or more keyblades but maybe that’s just my stance on it, I wasn’t around back then, I know people thought the game was piss easy and some hated reaction commands and critical essentially fixed both of those core issues for a lot of people.
I do feel that for KH3, there’s a lot more to compare it to compared to KH1 and 2, which puts at in a much tighter spot unfortunately, especially with how long it took. But it’s a good learning experience in the end at least. In the future, we will be more resilient to deviations from our expectations, not just in gaming and kh, but even in life
So even if the experience was somewhat disappointing for some of us, there’s still some good stuff to take away from that experience
So hopefully in the future, it can be a better one for everyone :)
Kingdom Hearts 3 is a good game, could even go as far as saying it's a great game but that's subjective; it is also a game with problems.
I for sure enjoyed it, of course it's flaw's were noticed; didn't stop the game from being fun.
TW3 is a great game and the combat is simply the worst ever. Terrible gameplay.
I forgot KH3 existed after the first playthrough. The previous games I have replayed over five times each but 3 was meh.
Kingdom Hearts is one of those games where I actively avoid the community because there is always rivalries and hate filled debates of what game is better.
I just wanna press X and hear cheesy dialogue in peace
Posted this under a comment originally*
If people can't unite and overcome trivialities or differences in opinion over video games it tarnishes the experience for those who aren't as heavily invested. Fanbases can ruin great things because of this, and it ultimately breeds a toxicity in the community that alienates others.
For a franchise with themes about the power of friends and those who are connected to you, it's a sad dark irony
I think one of the problem is that we don't have new content to get hyped over. Another is that it can be hard to appreciate something that isn't fully understood. This is why I'm making my content. While there isn't new content, we can look back at the old stuff under a new light. Many have this notion that we pretty much got everything figured out, but there is so much left to discover just from the past. If you don't believe me just look at some quotes.
In reference to working on advent children
"Nomura felt that Advent Children differed from Hollywood films where the meaning of most scenes tends to be explained. With Advent Children, however, the staff wanted viewers to be able to interpret scenes themselves, allowing them to come to different conclusions."
in reference to a director's secret report.
"Also, there are many new developments. I think that the news will be able to satisfy the widely supportive KH fans everywhere. Because there is still more to say about this "new" thing, please dare to think with a different flow, rather than just going with what's mainstream. I will give you a hint about the contents of one of the numerous developments. In the freshly added secret movie a phrase comes out, "Fate doesn't happen by accident, there is necessity".
In the near future, when you experience the new Kingdom Hearts, please see about opening this book. I think surely some of these points will tie together. And also at that time, it would be very fortunate if all the fans everywhere have a good time with it. Until an announcement comes, please have your fill of fun with this game and look forward to the next."
So while yes we should be looking forward to new stuff, we should also look to connect the dots of the past. A problem I have seen within the community is that conclusions are drawn as Nomura wants. However people tend to treat the conclusion drawn that is the most popular as fact. We are supposed to draw different conclusions. I have analysis and theories, but I'm always asking what the viewer thinks. Feel free to disagree, because so much growth can come from disagree. Maybe someone changes there minds, and maybe new theories sprout from the discussion. However just because you disagree doesn't mean you should shame or think negatively of a person. I highly recommend you check out my videos if you want some new KH content that may give a new understanding of the series and what it has to offer.
I have two types of videos.
1 Deep Dive an extremely well though out video essay, I present hypothesis and potential scenarios and have a mountain of evidence to support. Most importantly I draw parallels to the real world to show that there is so many positive lesson that can be taken away from the stories we love so much.
2 Food 4 Thot, like deep dive but much shorter. The main topic is usually covered in the first 1-2 mins and is purely theorizing(speculating). While it may be quicker it also means I have less time to explain myself thus it requires you do more thinking on your end to understand my perspective.
5 years? I remember wainting for this game after I played kh2 for the first time. I mean I remember waiting for this game for longer than 5 years.
I just let it go after 3 cuz i felt like the story was on a decline for a long time and Nomura proved multiple times he's not the genius people make him out to be. Never knew that the fanbase was so 'divided'. I really really really can't be arsed with this series anymore
I think EVERYBODY needs to stay in their own lanes. I'm a fan of the game like everyone else but I will never be ashamed to be apart of any community that I'm involved in because I already know my opinion of the game. On top of that, I know who I am as a person which is all that you need to know in order to live life to the fullest. If everyone would just mind their business, then there would be peace but that won't happen until everyone finds that peace within themselves.
What ever happen to KH3? Like, how come I don't see anyone KH3 videos anymore? By the way, hi again, Soraalam1.
To be fair, there’s not much to discuss anymore. The games out, tons of theories have already been made, and everyone has laid out their opinions. There’s really not much, other than the future DLC
DetectiveBobbyFulbrightTheSpiritofShiningJUSTICE True, right now we're just waiting for the Re-Mind DLC.
Its like everyone forgot about the game and like to pretend it doesn't exist.
We're waiting for the DLC
imo I think it's the replayability, KH2 was almost perfectly balanced hence why people always go back to it, we love how the OG KH developer team handled the games back then, they created a balanced system that received critical acclaim that still holds up to this day, KH3 lacks that shine, again my opinion
I think the two biggest issues that none is mentioning are twofold:
1) The series itself becomes less and less accessible to newcomers and/or casual fans with each passing Union X update and entire game. This means that the fanbase remaining to even have this kind of discourse are the passionate diehards, and with few new people coming in, this split is incredibly damning.
2) People who've taken issue with the story beats of previous games have done so under the belief 'Its Nomura thinking up stuff off the cuff again, and will be addressed in a later game.'
And yes, whilst KH3 did not mark the end of the franchise, it did mark the end, one would think, of the focus upon many characters, plot points, and concepts introduced therein. Many people expected KH3 to clean up it's concepts and lore in preparation for the next arc, but instead it seems that even THEN we have to purchase extra DLC to fill in the blanks before we can truly cast aside the bulk of our lingering questions.
Personally, I never thought the whole 'Final Mix' content was ever charming or justifiable, but at least in the previous games the 'Added' content literally ADDED to a bigger narrative. KH3 ReMind feels almost like it's needing to...'complete' the story. Fill in the blanks the original game missed. The excuse of 'foreshadowing' is lost - save for perhaps a few vague superbosses that'll be nerfed before their official debut to Sora.
Tangent aside, I was personally disappointed in KH3, and believe wholeheartedly that with each new game will the disgruntled diehards start to drop the series or remain with a pessimistic outlook on the franchise over time.
In short, I think KH3 was the tipping point for everyone. It is easier to just accept that this is the climate of the fandom now, and there's nothing the games or story can do to bring everyone back together anymore, because the feelings of a 17 year wait for the finale won't disappear.
EDIT: Before anyone mentions it, I am aware that KH3's raw sales were very good, I can't help but wonder how many people were brand new, and/or how many people did so because SE promised it'd be accommodating of people who hadn't played the other games. Spoilers: It wasn't.
Here’s my thing, I DONT CARE WHAT YALL THINK OF IT. I like KH3. The music was great! The worlds stories were mostly good. Gameplay was nice. I’ll admit i was against the keyblade changes & forms but I LOVE IT. How you feel about it is solely your feelings like myself. My only complaints were the following:
- twilight town shouldve been more explorable & radiant garden shouldve been a world.
- Always felt 100 acre woods shouldve been scrapped & after playing it im still 100% on that idea. It was 3 identical games no matter how you look at it.
- Ship battles in the caribbean were annoying (but some might love it).
- San fransokyo felt short & rushed (but it couldve been me because i was hyped to see whats next story wise & with big hero 6 being one of my favorite disney movies I wanted more).
- The scene where sora went back in time at the keyblade graveyard made no sense (im open for explanations/friendly debates but if noruma’s explanation still makes me feel this way then im stuck in my ways)
- They gave us too many trailers prior to the release. It spoiled too much. Way too much.
Sidebar: I WANT THAT WALLET!!
About the time travel, Sora was the only one that remembered what happened, the end (that's when he tries to take action)
Thanks for speaking out on this, Dean! Your voice is well-respected in the community and I think you calling out the extremes will help eliminate some of the toxic arguing. I will say I’m a middle man fully aware of the flaws in the games but love them and enjoy playing them anyway. Looking forward to more content!
If you think fan toxic in KH is bad? Oh boy, wait till you watch an animated show called RWBY. Good show, but gotten bad in the latest season. However the toxicity in the RWBY community is way worst. Trust me, you don't want to be part of that community
I'm a part of the RWBY community
rwby to me has the worst toxic shipping fandom of any show, maybe its just me who thinks this tho
Kh2: the melee of the series
Kingdom Hearts politics 😂😂 yo it's for real like that. Thank you for offering your thoughts on it. I largely lurk on groups and Reddit, and I see so much heated and angry debates. I stay out but I know that these debates are because people enjoy Kingdom Hearts on the same level I do. People will always bicker but I still look forward to the shared enjoyment people can have. Those moments make me like being a fan.
I'm 31yrs old and still love kingdom hearts I would always game out no matter wat trolls in my book get ignored by me, I just hate it when haters hack my stream on CZcams idk how they do it but that sucks it made me stop streaming and just upload my game play instead. Has that happened to anyone? Some troll shows up talks crap and cuz u ignore he /she say I'll end ur stream and it cuts off?
Honestly I think the reason KH3 had such a mixed reception (although I loved the game. Id give it a 9/10) is bc since KH3 was announced, Other games like BOTW, Persona 5, God of War, Mario Odyssey, etc were announced and came out. These games were all from beloved franchises and with the exception of BOTW, stayed very true to their past iterations. Ive seen people say KH3 felt "lifeless" and "no heart" no pun intended. And as much as I love KH3, I know that its not a better game than botw or P5. And not to compare apples to oranges, but its hard for me to recommend KH3 to someone whos never played the series compared to suggesting P5 to someone whos never played Persona.
People who say "KH3 oMeGaLuL tRASH" are just wrong, and its totally ok to not have been satisfied with 3, after 6 years of waiting its safe to say we had high expectations, while mine were met and in some ways exceeded, I fully recognize that others werent. I think some people mightve had their expectations too high or just expected a style of game that isnt what KH was ever about. A guy on a podcast played the game bc he said "it looks like a fun banjo-kazooie type game" thinking it was a collect-o-thon. He then came back a couples weeks later and said the game sucked and the scenes are poorly directed and the characters are shallow. Clearly hes wrong.
But whatever comes next comes next. Im stoked for the remind dlc, and whatever comes next for the series. I dont know what I want going forward in the series (Other than a Treasure Planet world pls and thank you) but I will stick with the series.
You calling people with different opinions wrong, is wrong itself. That guy you mentioned was completely right whit what he said about the game. The game wasn't good, the scenes were poorly directed, and the characters were shallow, you just can't seem to accept that.
TheFruityKing I did not say that the people with other opinions were wrong, I said I disagree.
The guy expecting a banjo Kazooie type game from KH3 clearly didn't have the correct expectations. Kingdom hearts is in no way a collect-o-thon a la Banjo Kazooie. But KH never strives to be a collect-o-thon, it's 3d action combat. You should never criticize a game for something it doesn't strive for. Like why would you criticize Cuphead or Kirby for having shallow storys when it's not meant to have a deep storys?
I loved the game. It's your opinion the game was bad and pressing your opinion is a bit hypocritical don't you think?
Calling characters like Aqua, Axel, or Roxas shallow makes me question if you've actually played the series.
I really wish everyone would get along in the kingdom hearts community. Its bad kingdom hearts content creators are scared to upload kingdom hearts content just because of others out there who seems to have a problem with the game & then they jump on the other person for like that game just because they hate the game. Look if you hate the game fine hate the game as much as you want but don't bring someone else down to your level of hatred just because there opinion is not suited to your opinion that's not fair. Let's just get along & respect each other's opinion even if we have a disagreement just keep it to ourselves & everything will work out for all of us take care.
Never take a KH fan who says "let people enjoy things" seriously.
Stoic
Your pfp reminds me of Makoto from P5.
@@UnfamiliarIntimacy pretty sure that's her
Scramadema
Oh. :( I should've been able to recognize my waifu when I see her.
@@UnfamiliarIntimacy you did, it reminded you of her
Makoto > everything else.
Appreciate the good video man!
Also in my opinion KH3 may not be the greatest game of all time but I can appreciate of what I got. Yes the proud mode as super easy, the attraction flow is so annoying and over power and the writing felt so rush and flaw and theres worlds I'm truly disappointed cough* Frozen cough* Big Hero 6 and cough* twilight town but I'm thankful i play the game despite the flaw and floatiness and critical mode was good as well it may not be better than 2 or 1 with the stories and mechanics but at least I enjoy kingdom hearts 3 and hope they'll bring us something good this year for the DLC I'm looking forward to it.
It's got good qualities and bad qualities. My main issue was with them removing the final fantasy characters and focusing on modern disney which I'm not a fan of and most of that is just a preference. The gameplay is solid as is the gummi ship section.
There needs to be more people like you in the world. It would be changed greatly.
Preach
I still haven't play KH3 and yet I still follow the series I love it so much it's so colorful Goofy Charming and full of feelings it's true the community has been falling apart and it's having this war right now we only got confirmed the Dlc and we don't know what the future holds for KH after kh4 we just have to wait and see what happens also for those who just like to make fun of Kingdom Hearts cuz has Disney characters in it don't waste your time and you don't like the series you have the option but please respect the community of young and Old Kingdom Hearts fans everyone has an opinion.
7:54 this part hit particularly close to home lol
I deeply respect you for having such a clear view on the matter.
Loved the game
And no i don't think it's perfect.
I Don't care about the toxicity in the community.
Not my problem, im hyped me re:mind
Can I just say something?
WHATS UP WITH THE HYPERFOCUS ON GRAPHICS??!!
Seriously, it's like every game has to have even the tiniest little speck of dust look pretty!
I firmly believe that good graphics are ultimately subjective and should not be a focus within almost any game.
Here's my reasons:
1. It takes up time, energy and money which could be used to improve other things
2. It just serves to make older generation games look sloppier for really lame reasons and sets up toxic expectations for any other game.
3. You don't focus on graphics unless it's absolutely flawed and interferes with the game or looks god awful
4. When you do focus on graphics, they should be for beautiful set pieces. Remember how absolutely stunning those cgi implements mixed with older software back in the PS1 days to create a surreal atmosphere? Or how pieces stood out and captured your attention by turning into full cgi cutscenes, which were a godsend back then? Asuras wrath is an exception to this because it perfectly captures the theme and STILL buffers out the story with hand drawn segments!
5. Games should use graphics as a means of expression and gameplay, NOT an expensive copout to do a shoddier job.
The game was just a disappoitment to me, i expected better 🤷♀️
NekoJessi we deserved better tbh
@@brennanconnelly for the amount of time and feedback they had from the previous games, i dont get how they could have missed the mark so badly with kh3. Visually kh3 is beautiful and it was nice to seem them in those beautiful graphics but everything else was lacking. Combat too easy even critical mode is not THAT hard, story narrative was weird; i dont get why they decided to let all the main charas pop up in the last 2 hours of the game, it felt so rushed. The game felt very rushed.
@RaiZo actually I did not.
This is something that should be sent to all communities
When have you ever seen a community “get along”?
Not sure what the joke about the new Pokémon games was. Are the core values of the games constantly cutting back wanted features? Or the expectations that consumers mindlessly consume product?
Kingdom hearts franchise: Connect to others and keep an open heart!!
Fans: what's that? Divide and Hate? Ok!
People just need to stop taking this shit so personally. I don't go around telling people they shouldn't like the game, and yet so many of the comments on my video act like I'm ruining their enjoyment of the game, or that I'm the one forcing my opinion on others. Likewise there's no need to go into other people's spaces and yell at them about the block or how 2FM was the best, everyone just needs to chill.
I absolutely loved kh3 I couldn’t predict it and I’m so happy that it had flaws! That’s what gives us memes!! It’s perfect for me except the ending:( but I wouldn’t have it any other way. I would only have Sora call nobodies “wet blankets” hahahahaha I really love all kingdom hearts games♥️
Thank you for putting this video up.
Also, thanks for having Karin’s theme in this video too. Love that tune! =)