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SHOT SHOW EXCLUSIVE Cimmaron Firearms NEW GUNS IN THE LINEUP
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- čas přidán 24. 01. 2024
- Londontown Bob talks to Greg at the Cimarron Booth at Shot Show 2024. Greg shows us several new guns in the Cimarron lineup including the 1887 Lever Action Shotgun in 12 gauge, a Bat Masterson reproduction, 2 revolvers in the Arizona Ranger series and revisits an old favorite, the 1873 Winchester pattern.
Pop shows us his Cimarron Model P. You can see more of the Model P here • Cavalry Draw
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The weird 1873 'safety' with the three click hammer that eliminates the original robust first click safety it a mystery to me. worse than the original and as they say.... a complex solution to a nonexistent problem.
Agreed. Thanks for watching my video
That front sight on the "bat" looks perfect.... for hanging up on everything.
But cool story behind it.
Thanks for watching and commenting. I appreciate your support. I'm a new channel just starting out and your watching and subscribing helps out a lot. I had the same thoughts about the sight and wondered why in the world anyone would want that? It looks super tall too so I don't know why you wouldn't shoot consistently low? I'll be catching up with the Cimarron team at End of Trail in the coming weeks. I'll be following up on a lot of questions received from viewers. Please subscribe and hit that notification bell so you don't miss those upcoming posts. @poplecorque
A 1886 in 50-110 would be awesome! The 1887 shotguns can be covered to the 70-140 Winchester. 😮
Thanks for watching my video.
Hello, I was just reading an article about how Cimarron is reintroducing obsolete calibers with the help of Starline Brass and I thought you might be interested based on your comment from a few months ago. See the full article here: lauraburgess.com/leaders-unloaded-a-conversation-with-bryce-wayt-on-preserving-the-past-while-innovating-for-the-future/
@@PopLeCorque That is great news. If they do make a new production 1886 in 50-110, that will be the first time since 1935. 👍
Here is what Bat’s letter says, “Gents, you will please make and send to my address one of your short .45 caliber pistols nickel plated. Make it easy on trigger and make the front sight rather (unclear) high and thick. Send as soon as possible.”
Thanks for watching!
Awesome looking firearms
Thanks for watching. I'm just a regular guy sharing about stuff I love and I appreciate your support. If you like these kinds of videos please subscribe. I'll be out to End Of Trail in AZ at the end of the month and am setting up interviews now with vendors who will be there. www.youtube.com/@poplecorque Thanks again!
Saint Browning never liked the 1887 lever shotgun but.... I love em.
It's a cool gun. I've never shot one personally. Thanks for watching my video. Are you a CAS shooter?
@@PopLeCorque No I am not. Have never been into any gun games Well,... did a couple of bowling pin things 40? years ago. I have an eclectic LOL set of guns and have handloaded for 50 years. I may shoot black powder revolvers one week and then early semi autos like the Remington 81 or Winchester 51 the next mostly revolvers and 1911's tho. have three or four shotguns but never shoot em. mostly revolvers from say 1917 to maybe 20 years back and 1911's and maybe a PPK or a Makarov or a 1907 Savage thrown in for fun. my 1873's are all Uberti clones but this new hammer safety thing is a real turn off for me.
@@doranmaxwell1755 I would love to see your eclectic guns sometime. I love the romance of wondering what stories those guns could tell. My antique/vintage collection is very limited. We have a few original winchesters including a '73 musket pattern. I recently acquired a 120 year old ithaca side by side that was a wreck and I brough it back to life. I also have a couple of break top revolvers. I did a video about loading and shooting my .38 S&W Baby Russian. here's the link to that in case you haven't seen it already czcams.com/video/Er5I7po4C5k/video.htmlsi=c87MGRJ5-fcP_uRG . it's one of the first videos I put up on the channel so it's a little crude but it was fun to make around Christmas time with my brother Londontown Bob. Thanks again for your support
@@PopLeCorque My son wants me to do a youtube but it is really not me. I am good with people in person but... my 'collection' is nothing great just a little of this and a little of that. no real collector guns or.. maybe a few but... I even have a few replicas from navy arms that are now sorta collectable like a side by side percussion shotgun and an 1873 deluxe 30" with pistol grip and checkering etc.. I do have stuff like a 1917 smith in 45 acp in like 95% and a Python in say that or better condition. Mostly tho I have guns that most have not seen but are not rare or particularly valuable I will take out say a Remington 81 in .300 savage and the thing will for sure hit 2 liter sodas at 110 yards and feels like shooting a pogo stick LOL.. By the same token I will take out my newish Henry color case hardened .357 lever gun carbine cause... well... anyone can hit stuff with it and hitting stuff is fun right? If someone says that they seen a Garand in some game of whatever I say "want to shoot one?" Stuff like WW2 mausers with a the "stamp' on em. My grand daughter shot a black powder pistol (1851 Navy clone that I nickel plated) she doesn't even know how to tell her friends what it is except that it was fun and lots of smoke LOL... I am fortunate to have friends who also enjoy such guns and have their own eclectic ones.
The 1887 is the result of a stubborn clothing & PR Guy (O. Winchester) forcing his opinion on the world's greatest firearm designer (J. Browning). When the man who is creating the gun tells you not to build it you should listen. I and many others used them back in the day for CAS. Most of us sold them but kept our 1897 pumps. Some spent a lot of money trying to slick them up, but even they gave up for the most part. This gun is THE reason there is the 1897. Period.
When he said Arizona Ranger did big just get stuck in everyone’s head in town of Augua fria rode a Ranger one fine day
With the big iron on his hip! Mike Harvey is a smart guy. I'm sure that was no accident. Thanks for watching. I really appreciate your support. You can see other related videos on my channel at www.youtube.com/@PopLeCorque
Did cimmaron update their website cause you go there every is out of stock I got lucky and found a 73 rifle at my local gun shop and immediately put it on layaway
Thanks so much for watching my video. I really appreciate your support We aren't affiliated with them in any way so I am not sure of the right answer. I do know that Greg said they have a lot of inventory right now and I also know that I had a question and was able to contact their customer service from the info on the website. You can check out other related videos on my channel at www.youtube.com/@PopLeCorque thanks again
Will reproduction guns like cimarron and taylors handle modern high power loads like Buffalo bore and the like? Or are they meant more just for cowboy action?
they are modern guns in every respect except for the classic looks. I shoot hot .357 loads out of my revolvers without a second thought. I've not shot the lever shotgun but I feel like the only limitation with that is the 2 3/4 shells. If I owned one I wouldn't think twice about shooting slugs or OO buck . Thanks for watching my video!
Hope you don't mind I'm gonna toss in a Cimarron related question on. Does the lever action .22 rimfire 1873 [I think] actually have a loading gate like in the picture?
Hey Jon, I had hoped to catch up to the Cimarron team at End of Trail last week but they did not post for that event. I did some independent research however and determined that yes, the 1866 yellow boy in .22LR does load from the side gate. I have a ton of other videos posted since you viewed this one. Please check back on the channel and subscribe if you have not. I have an interesting test of a Big Horn Armory 500 S&W lever gun coming up @poplecorque
Would be nice to at least see something like 38-40 offered as a special order for some of these special models
I agree, maybe they have a custom shop. We were just reporting what we could. We aren't affiliated with Cimarron in any way except that I compete with their guns. Just curious, how would you feed a 38-40? I have an original Winchester 73 in 44-40 and have a miserable time finding brass for it even though it was popular not too long ago. Thanks for watching my video. I really appreciate your support! Please check out some of my other videos at czcams.com/channels/ziwJenB-D4gbSlUdg8I7vQ.html
@PopLeCorque all my brass has been accumulated over 25 years, I have checked with Cimarron multiple times, and they will no longer do custom runs.
At one time, if you could get 10 or so like-minded people together to commit to an order, they would, but that stopped a long time ago.
I know for a fact at one time over a 100 people agreed to put down deposits for a Cimarron henry in 44 special and they were told no.
"99dsm1," In decades past how EXCITING and welcome it was when Winchester would do one run of .38-40 ammo each year or every other year. Sweet. We 38 WCF faithful didn't feel completely like dinosaurs.
It's sad to see it, and to a lesser extent, .44-40, be 'left in the dust' of .38 Special, .44 Special, .45 Colt -- the 'usual suspects' at CAS events.
Congratulations, California gun owners, for Freedom Week no. 2 -- home delivery of the restrictive, life-challenging ammo BAN just ruled illegal, unconstitutional by the very wise Judge Benitez. Meanwhile, Golden Staters MUST implore their friends and relatives who have tickets to the Super Bowl (Las Vegas this year) and are driving to game, to "P U H -- L E E Z" fill their ammunition needs shopping list before leaving Nevada for home.
@@scvandy3129 Thanks for watching. Everything you say is true. I haven't even been able to find brass at Starline. It's like those calibers fell off the face of the earth. I lived in the Golden State for a long time and the only thing I miss about it is the weather. If you like this video content, please subscribe and hit the notification bell. I'm going to be putting out a series with an interview and tour with the curator at the NRA national firearms museum and at the end of the month will be at the world championship of cowboy action shooting, shooting and interviewing. We appreciate your support
They do a '94 in 38-55
Put a full chock intha lever shotgun and I would be interested
Thank you for watching. I'll be catching up with the Cimarron team again at End of Trail in a few weeks. I'll be sure to share your feedback. To see our coverage at EOT and a special behind the scenes series with the curator of the National Firearms Museum, please subscribe @poplecorque Thanks again for your support
@@PopLeCorque would like to see a copy of the 98 or 97 pump scatter gun to with a full chock to
I'm interested in he 12 ga. If you haven't priced your selves out of normal folks price range.
Hi Sherman. Thanks for watching my video. Pop LeCorque is not in any way affiliated with Cimmaron. We just had an opportunity to bring some of the news from the SHOT show to share with folks who don't have access. I really appreciate you watching. I love CAS and am trying to share the fun that we have. Please check out some of my other videos czcams.com/channels/ziwJenB-D4gbSlUdg8I7vQ.html
Yes, well out of most people's price range.
@@mothman-jz8ugthey're less than 700$ lol
Great, this is the shot show coverage been looking for... wondering if Taylor & Co. was there. Never enough coverage of this style of firearms nothing like wheels & levers for me.
I’m SURE that if Taylor’s was there Londontown Bob would have talked to them. Taylor’s has some beautiful products but both Bob and I have a history of horrible customer service from them. I’m not knocking their guns and I wouldn’t publish negative stuff about them but his and my direct experience with the company was really awful.
We will be at End of Trail the end of February and bringing great new stuff from there. I still have a lot of match content from last year that has not been posted too.
Thanks for that heads up. A friend and I are in the market for a lever rifle and ordered a Henry case hardened 357 &45 colt 7 months and waiting, so we were going to change the deposits in a month to a couple of Taylors, because I own a 4 click Taylor Runnin Iron 45 colt. We will give a look at Cimmaron's line. @@PopLeCorque
looking forward to that content👍@@PopLeCorque
Hey Joe. I'm in final edits on my interview with Taylor's & Co from End of Trail. I hope to get that posted tonight. I already posted an interview with EMF Pietta and have ones with both Ruger and Dixie Gun Works coming. Please check back @poplecorque for the latest. we appreciate your support!
I look at this stuff and wonder where people get the money to buy all of that.
Thanks for watching. It all comes down to what you are passionate about. Some people have boats or cars or even expensive golf clubs. I'm not affiliated with Cimarron in any way but a while ago I ran across Mike Harvey, the founder of Cimarron, on his CZcams Channel and was captivated by his passion for accuracy and quality. I have 2 pairs of Cimarron Pistols that I compete with. Some time ago I heard someone say something like they might not remember what you say but they will remember how you made them feel. When I hold those guns I feel the quality and imagine I'm back in time.
Cimarron only being an importer, I assume the 1873 is a Uberti, and the 1887 is a Chiappa.
Hi, thanks a lot for watching. I'll be catching up with them again at End of Trail in a few weeks and I'll see if I can get answers to your questions and those of others. Please hit subscribe and the notification bell so you'll know when those videos go up. Thanks again for your support
"gotsloco1810," You make Cimarron being an 'importer' sound like a dirty word. Well, look at the manufacturer of the one-and-only, true, historic 'Gun that Won the West,' the vaulted Model 1873 from Winchester. THEIR 21st Century 1873s and 94s and 1892s are manufactured by Miroku and imported from ITS factory -- in Japan -- as most shooters know.
Looking at the bigger picture it's a downright shame that the prices and salaries of materials and labor in the U.S. make statewide production cost prohibitive. But, the good news for shooters and collectors is the factories in Japan and Italy have been making clones of western favorites for decades now. If the guns were indeed crappy, due to customers' complaints and bad p.r., Winchester would have cancelled the contract(s) with Miroku long ago.
Is the lever action shotgun going to be legal for SASS?
It has been SASS legal since the originals showed up
@@kurtvoigt5006Thanks. I only see sxs and pumps.
If that 1887 is made by Norinco, well it's a norinco
Thanks for watching and commenting. I'll be catching up with the Cimarron team at End of Trail in the coming weeks. I plan to follow up on a lot of questions received from you and others so please subscribe and hit that notification bell so you don't miss those upcoming posts. @poplecorque
Still no 1897……..
yeah that is unfortunate. What they do, they do really well. To be clear I am not affiliated with Cimarron in any way, I just like Mike Harvey and is approach to these classic guns. Thanks for watching my video!
If a revolver has a transfer bar under the hammer, it's not the real thing. Firing pin on the hammer or it's a no go for me
Thank you for watching. We appreciate your support. In the coming weeks we will be posting a behind the scenes interview with the curator of the National Firearms Museum. Please Subscribe and hit the notification bell. Thanks again. Pop,
I wanted to follow up from your comment earlier about the firing pin. First off, it was a very astute observation on your part, but, there are no transfer bars in these guns, the reason the firing pin was not showing is because these vendors are required by most of the venues where they appear to have the guns deactivated so spectators can't throw a cartridge in and go hot at the show. I just confirmed that with the vendors at END of TRAIL. Please check back on the channel for the latest @poplecorque. Thanks for your interest.
I used to shoot SASS. My first 45 rifle was an Uberti 1873. Mine has much nicer case colors. The one shown looks gray and poorly done
Thanks for watching! Have you seen the video I posted when I interviewed Taylor's & Co at End of Trail? czcams.com/video/em4rveZdU30/video.html
No mention of the 44.40
Hi Rory, thanks for watching. I appreciate your support. No one has much talk about 44-40 anymore. It's super hard to even find brass these days. I'm just starting this channel out and I truly appreciate every view and subscription. Here's the link to my channel to watch other videos from the SHOT show www.youtube.com/@PopLeCorque
I checked back with Cimarron and the 44-40 IS still in their catalog but there is not much public interest anymore because they ARE hard to feed. Reloading 44-40 is a delicate task, to say the least and competitive shooters, who purchase most of these guns just need something more convenient and cost effective to work with.
Nothing new here actually! ..I've had 3 different 1873 rifles from Cimarron and/ or Uberti , over the past 20 years and several versions of Uberti,
Pieta, or Cimarron Single Action Army's...They've been around SASS Competitions since the late 80's! ...Just sayin'!
Thank you for watching. We appreciate your support. In the coming weeks we will be posting a behind the scenes interview with the curator of the National Firearms Museum. Please Subscribe and hit the notification bell. Thanks again. Pop,
Same old boring calibers, No imagination
Thanks for watching! I appreciate your support. I'm pretty sure the manufacturers would make the guns if there were ways to feed them. It wasn't that long ago when 44-40 was still pretty common caliber. The guns are still out there but I have not been able to find brass for the last 2 years at least. I will be posting a series from behind the scenes at the NRA National Firearms Museum. We have a private tour with the curator. There should be some interesting stuff. Please subscribe and hit the notification bell so you get notified when we have new content. Thanks again!
They're made for SASS and CASS. The weapons meet the rules for those venues. Don't expect anything different. Would you complain about a 30-06 at an Elk hunting exhibit?
@nomadpi1 No, But I sure would like to see them offer one in .44 special
Hello, I was just reading an article about how Cimarron is reintroducing obsolete calibers with the help of Starline Brass and I thought you might be interested based on your comment from a few months ago. See the full article here: lauraburgess.com/leaders-unloaded-a-conversation-with-bryce-wayt-on-preserving-the-past-while-innovating-for-the-future/