The US Government Program That Pays For Your Flights

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  • čas přidán 4. 11. 2019
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  • @Wendoverproductions
    @Wendoverproductions  Před 4 lety +530

    I'm very excited to release that documentary that I teased in the ad-read at the end! It'll go up on Nebula at the end of November, but make sure to sign up for the Curiosity Stream/Nebula bundle so you can see that right when it comes out: CuriosityStream.com/Wendover

    • @practice00
      @practice00 Před 4 lety +14

      Still no Android app for Nebula?

    • @ivarne
      @ivarne Před 4 lety +2

      Why can't I see this video () on Nebula now without the curiosity/nebula ad?

    • @honajtransit
      @honajtransit Před 4 lety +1

      :)

    • @ramseykeilani9569
      @ramseykeilani9569 Před 4 lety +10

      It would've been nice if the environmental impact of the program was mentioned, considering how terrible flying is from an emissions standpoint, and how much emissions must be generated from all those near-empty flights.

    • @OCinneide
      @OCinneide Před 4 lety +1

      This the one in like Ethiopia?

  • @tealmer3528
    @tealmer3528 Před 4 lety +585

    How do airline alliances (oneworld, SkyTeam, Star Alliance) work? It would be a great vid!

    • @futureqweenofmoderation6024
      @futureqweenofmoderation6024 Před 4 lety +5

      Van Quan As well as bookings via the airlines main site like booking on KoreanAir from Seoul to NYC with a layover in LAX your LAX-JFK flight would be Delta Airlines while you’re Seoul to LAX flight would be KA

    • @aadil05_h
      @aadil05_h Před 4 lety +29

      "The Logistics of Airline Alliances"

    • @jasoncentore1830
      @jasoncentore1830 Před 3 lety +11

      They basically have ticketing agreements and since they have a partnership they can expand their destinations and you can connect l from 1 airline to the Code Share partner seemless, baggage, boarding passes etc. A good example. AA SAN-LAX when connecting you would go BA LAX-LHR. This makes the ticket price the same if you took 1 carrier. Separate tickets would be about 5x's higher. As far as $$ the airlines negotiate rates for code sharing. I used to work for the Tariff department for AA so I used to calculate some of these outrageous fares. There is a lot more that goes into it, but way over my pay grade

  • @jonas1015119
    @jonas1015119 Před 4 lety +1845

    10:57 ok now I want a video on disused US government buildings. Theres gotta be some wild stuff there

    • @ocfos88
      @ocfos88 Před 4 lety +56

      There. are. so. many.

    • @scotthenrie5674
      @scotthenrie5674 Před 4 lety +24

      Yes, there are. Have you ever seen any of the orgy videos? They're all filmed in those buildings.

    • @Asdayasman
      @Asdayasman Před 4 lety +42

      @@scotthenrie5674 I haven't. Got any links?

    • @MentalEdge
      @MentalEdge Před 4 lety +43

      @@scotthenrie5674 I'd google orgy videos, but that doesn't feel like a good idea for some reason.

    • @B3Band
      @B3Band Před 4 lety +31

      You'll only get a video like that if a building has ever interacted with an airpl....oh....

  • @loafofmilk7680
    @loafofmilk7680 Před 3 lety +54

    As a Durango resident, it’s very exciting whenever we hear someone mention our town and they aren’t talking about homelessness.

  • @spicemasterii6775
    @spicemasterii6775 Před 4 lety +154

    Everyone: memorizes state capitals.
    Wendover: memorizes towns with commercial airport in every state.

  • @FingeringThings
    @FingeringThings Před 4 lety +935

    Me: Books a seat on a plane
    United Airlines: It’s free real estate

    • @colonelkk
      @colonelkk Před 4 lety +41

      Me: Books seat on a plane
      United Airlines: Your real estate was already bought. GET OUT!

    • @kirkc9643
      @kirkc9643 Před 4 lety +14

      Me: This 'format' of 'commenting' on YT videos is getting old,, tired and cringey.
      Also Me: Especially when the same 'comments' show up again and again.

    • @_egg_2933
      @_egg_2933 Před 4 lety

      KKK, oh that took me back cuh

    • @mirzaahmed6589
      @mirzaahmed6589 Před 4 lety

      Technically, CommutAir, dba United Express.

    • @glasslinger
      @glasslinger Před 4 lety

      So quit reading them! DUH!

  • @adamstinger1717
    @adamstinger1717 Před 4 lety +587

    Sees Wendover has a new plane video.
    *tightens tourniquet*
    I need my fix

  • @B3Band
    @B3Band Před 4 lety +55

    Demand for flights in small towns is even smaller when you consider that most of those people have never been more than two hours away from their town, let alone left the country.

  • @tc0330
    @tc0330 Před 4 lety +17

    I used to be a Captain for Air Choice One. Great way to gain flight experience for new commercial pilots. We had a few empty legs, but the ATL flights were always full. Our shortest flight was FOD-MCW at 53 nautical miles. It’s about a 40 minute flight or a 1.5 hour drive airport to airport according to Apple Maps. The EAS program has been on the chopping block for decades since its inception in the late 1970’s. Regional airlines do still operates some of these EAS routes in larger airplanes like the CRJ-200s and EMB-145s mentioned. The Presque Isle flight is operated by CommutAir on behalf of United Airlines in the EMB-145, for example.

  • @ma3rabima3rabi13
    @ma3rabima3rabi13 Před 4 lety +627

    Employer: So tell me, why would you want to be the CEO of this airport?
    Me: I know everything that is to know about planes
    Employer: How are you so sure of that?
    Me: I Watched all of Wendover Production video's
    Employer: You're hired.

  • @pinkyfull
    @pinkyfull Před 4 lety +143

    "Town of 30,000"
    Well that makes some of my countries smaller cities essentially squat little towns internationally speaking.

    • @MrPhilsterable
      @MrPhilsterable Před 4 lety +53

      There are also a lot of communities in the rural U.S. that have populations less than 100. Hell, 42,000 is the size of the largest city in Wyoming, 48,000 is the size of the largest city in West Virginia, 63,000 in Wyoming, and on and on. Only six states have even a single city with over a million people in it. People really underestimate how sparsely populated the U.S. is.

    • @Annadog40
      @Annadog40 Před 4 lety +17

      @@MrPhilsterable Wyoming must of multipled

    • @jnyerere
      @jnyerere Před 4 lety +17

      @@MrPhilsterable Exactly! Plus with cities like Phoenix and San Antonio, they're essentially giant suburbs with the ridiculous amount of spread-out land being the major contributor to their high population, not density.

    • @mirzaahmed6589
      @mirzaahmed6589 Před 4 lety +4

      @@MrPhilsterable Cheyenne has 65,000 people. Not sure where you are getting the 42,000 figure, or why Wyoming was mentioned twice.

    • @danielfay8963
      @danielfay8963 Před 4 lety +1

      @@jnyerere To be fair, Phoenix is actually a really highly populated city (~1.6mil), but then the surrounding suburbs take up an absolutely enormous area.

  • @kfcjet3892
    @kfcjet3892 Před 4 lety +665

    *plane topic exists*:
    Wendover:I will take your entire stock

    • @KidErkwon
      @KidErkwon Před 4 lety

      @Double Darrel who gives a shit

  • @dingus153
    @dingus153 Před 4 lety +6

    The Remote Air Services Subsidy Scheme here in Australia is probably nowhere near as expensive to run, however it serves 372 communities in remote areas, and we also have the Royal Flying Doctor Service as well providing medical treatment to the most remote parts of Australia as well, I think it'd be interesting to see a video on that

  • @12gpm91
    @12gpm91 Před 4 lety +640

    USA: "we can not afford high speed rail"
    also USA: "we should keep subsidising flights and roads that are 10 lanes wide"

    • @mahzorimipod
      @mahzorimipod Před 4 lety +70

      Also keep in mind wendover's implicit hatred of subsidies for rail or public transportation, but thinks this subsidized boondoggle is as natural as gravity.

    • @saturn0660
      @saturn0660 Před 4 lety +10

      Mmmmmm high speed rail that goes nowhere I wanna go..

    • @MatthewStinar
      @MatthewStinar Před 4 lety +42

      Wendover: The US is the least dense…
      Me: He's obviously not talking about the collective intelligence we display when making critical decisions for our nation.

    • @aespa690
      @aespa690 Před 4 lety +27

      Are you stupid? He said in this video the US population density is far less than Europe or Asian countries thats why a rail system wouldnt be feasible. In California theyve already wasted billions on a train that literally connects two farm towns.

    • @MatthewStinar
      @MatthewStinar Před 4 lety +42

      @@aespa690 No, there are also plenty of cases where we could make great use of trains, yet we either refuse to act or we find a way to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. I believe California's recent attempts at rail are examples of where we have been the cause of our own needless failure.

  • @counterfit5
    @counterfit5 Před 4 lety +4

    I know a guy that flies to Presque Isle once a year or so for work. One person works all the car rental counters.

  • @CptPatch
    @CptPatch Před 4 lety +97

    "It would fit comfortably in just California, Nevada, Utah, and Arizona", listen I'm just going to recommend not including Arizona if your goal is fitting the US population *comfortably*.

    • @joeyshortino2875
      @joeyshortino2875 Před 4 lety +7

      Captain Patch I think the heat will kill most non-Arizona residents

    • @bigtime9597
      @bigtime9597 Před 4 lety +11

      @D. Steven Ever been there in the summer? You can smell barbecue in the senior homes, even when there's no grill. Just try not to ask about what's cooking.

    • @madhouse007
      @madhouse007 Před 4 lety +1

      The last time I was in Arizona in the summer, I thought I was going to die just walking over a parking lot.

    • @joeyshortino2875
      @joeyshortino2875 Před 4 lety +2

      D. Steven actually you can look up cases where senior citizens died from the heat in Arizona! It really sad.

    • @Blueeyes713
      @Blueeyes713 Před 4 lety

      @D. Steven Southern Arizona is only comfortable from late fall to early spring. Spring transitions into summer pretty quickly and summer is hot and miserable. Northern Arizona however, is much cooler and far more tolerable in summer because of higher elevation and a different biome. Northern AZ's problem though, is that it gets snow in the winter and not everyone wants that.

  • @Fpczach
    @Fpczach Před 4 lety +12

    I live in Hagerstown MD. Can’t believe it took them this long to axe the program.....

  • @mikemotter3685
    @mikemotter3685 Před 4 lety +30

    EAS is amazing. I used them to fly from Morgantown (WV) to Baltimore a whole lot in college. It was like flying a private jet

  • @c4flame
    @c4flame Před 4 lety +7

    In Maryland we have like 3 different international airports to choose from that are practically right next to each other

  • @jeffbrogan292
    @jeffbrogan292 Před 4 lety +640

    Meanwhile, in europe we actually subsidise trains lol

    • @bishop51807
      @bishop51807 Před 4 lety +11

      Is it cheaper than fueling a plane?

    • @fixminer9797
      @fixminer9797 Před 4 lety +162

      @@bishop51807 It can be, but that's not easy to answer because you have to factor in all the maintenance costs for the rail network. But it's almost always better for the environment...

    • @thelight3112
      @thelight3112 Před 4 lety +75

      Sadly the US's geography makes passenger rail a near impossibility.

    • @rioyoung1493
      @rioyoung1493 Před 4 lety +51

      Shigg McDigg why? It seems largely flat other than some mountains on either coast

    • @daltonnabors
      @daltonnabors Před 4 lety +99

      @@rioyoung1493 Because of how vast the US is. The us government would have to buy millions of acres of real estate to lay the rails, cost of building train platforms, salary of all the people working the stations and trains, the cost of building and maintaining the rails, and train trips between the largely populated cities on both coasts would take days. Population centers in the US are largely too spread out to make widespread train travel feasible. (The exception being New England which is why it has AmTrack)

  • @joeyknight8272
    @joeyknight8272 Před 4 lety +34

    Planes do anything
    Wendover: Wright that down

    • @Erakius323
      @Erakius323 Před 4 lety +2

      Joey Knight That joke was awful. Plane crash awful.

    • @joeyknight8272
      @joeyknight8272 Před 4 lety +2

      @@Erakius323
      No one
      Kamikaze pilots: suicides is badass

    • @Erakius323
      @Erakius323 Před 4 lety +1

      Joey Knight Well, at least those pilots are going out with a bang? Possibly, quite literally, if the plane tears it’s way out the other side of the ship.

    • @joeyknight8272
      @joeyknight8272 Před 4 lety

      @@Erakius323 of course i nothing but respect for them they may have enemy's but still i respect them. I feel quite bad about joking about it

    • @Erakius323
      @Erakius323 Před 4 lety

      Joey Knight I make awful jokes so that I can laugh at a cruel, random, insane world. What they did was beyond brave. Questionably effective on a tactical scale and pointless on a strategic scale, but very brave.

  • @trapical
    @trapical Před 4 lety +42

    11:13 "I've just filmed a documentary about... something..."
    It's about planes, isn't it.

  • @sophrapsune
    @sophrapsune Před 4 lety +4

    Being such a great communicator about logistics, you should do some similar work about passenger rail services.
    On a recent trip to Europe, after both rail and flying, it was clear that passenger rail was the superior choice for intercity travel.
    It would be great to understand why, say, trains are full on some European routes yet are almost unviable in the US and Australia.

  • @whatweather
    @whatweather Před 4 lety

    I live in Denver and used to live in ALS and GJT, having flown between the cities a couple times. I am a GIANT av geek and had always wondered about the cost of the flights to/from these airports. This video answered every question I ever had about Colorado’s aviation, and some I didn’t even know I had. Thank you! 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽

  • @domfranchino
    @domfranchino Před 4 lety +2

    1:16 That is a Horizon Air Q-400 in PDX, I pilot that exact airplane regularly. Great airplane!

  • @gulktroktet
    @gulktroktet Před 4 lety +6

    As someone who lives in a small town where it costs $200+ to fly an hour away, I sure wish OUR flights were subsidized down to $64

  • @xp_studios7804
    @xp_studios7804 Před 4 lety +9

    1 hour from Hagerstown to National!? This guy hasn't seen Beltway traffic

  • @adysoferu
    @adysoferu Před 4 lety +2

    Great video as usual. Thank you Wendover for the quality content you provide. Keep up the good work!

  • @RoadkillbunnyUK
    @RoadkillbunnyUK Před 4 lety

    Perfect timing!
    Not only great video but I decided today that I was going to join CuriosityStream BUT I wanted to use your code because I love what you do and want to support in the little ways I can, plus you always do such a good job on the adds!
    Then before I get around to looking for your code up pops this notification, perfect timing and I’m now all set up with CuriosityStream 😁

  • @mariusbroxwikstrand6554
    @mariusbroxwikstrand6554 Před 4 lety +5

    This happens in Norway aswell in Northern Norway with Wideroe

  • @Naruedyoh
    @Naruedyoh Před 4 lety +30

    You always make logistics interesing AND I LOVE IT

  • @sequoia_pflug
    @sequoia_pflug Před 4 lety +1

    I actually suggested this topic on your form a few months ago. Glad to see a video on it!

  • @mzaite
    @mzaite Před 4 lety +2

    4:15 I flew that EXACT plane on Air Service routes in '08 out of Cleveland. Loved those routes and that plane. So much better than the Hub to Hub runs we had. It felt useful, as opposed to just being slightly cheaper than running an RJ.

    • @rawleighsellers4525
      @rawleighsellers4525 Před 2 lety

      u flew a floating plane?

    • @mzaite
      @mzaite Před 2 lety

      @@rawleighsellers4525 Main gear is under the engines. Big wide stance. Framing means everything in Photography and cinematography.

  • @XSpImmaLion
    @XSpImmaLion Před 4 lety +4

    Interesting stuff, never heard of something like this.
    I'd be interested to know if there is such a program in my own country, which I'd guess there isn't - Brazil.
    Around a decade ago, a few low cost airlines started popping up in the country landing in relatively small scale airports in mid sized cities.
    It didn't last long. They went bankrupt and stopped service altogether.
    I know this because my mom's hometown, which we go to every xmas, has a population of only around 6000 people. The nearest neighboring city 40 minutes by car has a population of 250 thousand people. That city has a tiny airport. It's less like an airport and more like a landing zone for crop planes, but they adapted it somehow.
    For a couple of great years, instead of taking a 9hr bus trip there, I paid up to double the price to take a 40 minute flight instead.
    For the most part though, if you live in a small to mid sized city in Brazil, without strong tourism, or some other reason for there to be an airport there... it's fuck you, drive or take a bus to a bigger city, and take the flight there. :P

  • @falconJB
    @falconJB Před 4 lety +6

    So what you are saying is that small towns depend on government handouts

    • @LoveStrangeDr
      @LoveStrangeDr Před 4 lety +5

      A fact, oddly enough forgotten by small town folk

    • @KingAram99
      @KingAram99 Před 4 lety +1

      The irony is thicc

  • @bookreads42
    @bookreads42 Před 4 lety

    Thanks for making this. After this video, I did a bit of searching and found out that the small plane I use to get to the large city nearest me from my small town is part of this program. I can't drive, so I'm really glad this exists. Especially since my tickets are usually around $30-$60 one way. I've always wondered why they are so cheap, and now I know!

  • @paulkelly7896
    @paulkelly7896 Před 4 lety +1

    Just love these vids, so informative, great details

  • @AverytheCubanAmerican
    @AverytheCubanAmerican Před 4 lety +44

    Wendover and airplanes are just like hot chocolate and marshmallows, the perfect combination

  • @2600D4u
    @2600D4u Před 4 lety +11

    4:15 took me some time before I realised that the plane isn't levitating...

    • @1998tkhri
      @1998tkhri Před 4 lety +1

      But where are the back wheels? I can only see the front one.

    • @2600D4u
      @2600D4u Před 4 lety +2

      @@1998tkhri On the wings. You can see the one on the left-wing

    • @freddyfink1382
      @freddyfink1382 Před 4 lety

      @@1998tkhri google Q400-8

  • @benjaminman7
    @benjaminman7 Před 4 lety +1

    Wow, Victoria is actually the city where I live and I am flying from Victoria to Houston for the first time on Boutique air in a few weeks, so it is really cool to see this video! One reason Victoria's Houston and Dallas routes have such low demand is because the city is less than 150 miles from both Houston Hobby and Houston Intercontinental Airports as well as San Antonio, Austin, and Corpus Christi's Airports which are all mid-size to major airports. Most residents would rather drive the 2-3 hours to a major airport than fly the 1-2 hour route.

  • @Adam47150
    @Adam47150 Před 4 lety

    Woohoo! I was hoping you would do a video on the EAS! My favorite wasteful EAS route is Owensboro, KY to St. Louis on Cape Air. OWB has twice weekly unsubsidized service on Allegiant to Orlando-Sanford. The Cape Air EAS route runs three times a day with some tickets as low as $19. OWB is only 43 miles from Evansville Regional Airport. EVV has service to all the major US3 east coast hubs as well as service to SFB also via Allegiant. Cape Air makes $2 million for their 21 flights a week, or $1,831.50 per flight before a single ticket is sold.

  • @archlinuxrussian
    @archlinuxrussian Před 4 lety +42

    Denver-Pueblo ought to be rail. There's even a name for the proposed project: Front Range Rail :) hopefully more of these areas are connected with more sustainable and economic modes of transit!

    • @seigeengine
      @seigeengine Před 4 lety +4

      Trains are only real competitors over short distances.

    • @CW-yt5kq
      @CW-yt5kq Před 4 lety +4

      They should have taken all they money they used to widen the I-25 gap and put it into a train.

    • @nramos33
      @nramos33 Před 4 lety

      Why would I want to travel to Pueblo by rail?
      Honestly, it's nice for a few people to live in Pueblo and take the rail to work in Denver due to the cost of living in Denver being higher than Pueblo. But that's about it. Even a high speed train would turn a 2 hours trip into a 1 hour trip.
      That sounds nice, but then the rest of Denver public transportation is mediocre so if I was commuting from Pueblo, I'd save maybe 20 minutes a trip once you account for transfers.
      Seriously, that project is a waste of resources that would benefit a handful of people. It's way better to spend the tens of millions of dollars on improving Pueblo.

    • @archlinuxrussian
      @archlinuxrussian Před 4 lety +2

      @@seigeengine Denver - Pueblo is only roughly 100miles, well within that range of effectiveness for rail :)

    • @seigeengine
      @seigeengine Před 4 lety

      @archlinuxrussian The problem is that trains are expensive.
      The track alone to cover that 100 miles could cost $5-10 billion.

  • @trainroomgary
    @trainroomgary Před 4 lety +15

    Like • Cheers from Mettetal Airport. Canton - Plymouth Michigan ✈️

  • @staceyparkes6764
    @staceyparkes6764 Před 3 lety +1

    I live in one of the towns serviced by the Essential Air service and it is a great option to have. If we didn't have it; then it's a 2 hour drive to the next closest airport; or a 4 hour drive to the next major airport.

  • @honajtransit
    @honajtransit Před 4 lety

    Thanks doing this topic!!

  • @rasterb1aster
    @rasterb1aster Před 4 lety +7

    Next up can you do a video explaining china’s belt and road initiative and show how large of a project to it is

  • @ivanstrydom8417
    @ivanstrydom8417 Před 4 lety +3

    I hope by the time I get my CPL these routs will still be active, it might aid me in obtaining some valuable flight experience here in the US.

  • @SkyblueAviation
    @SkyblueAviation Před 4 lety

    Very interesting once again! Thank you for this video :D

  • @EurasiaOnYT
    @EurasiaOnYT Před 4 lety +1

    Great video! You're a great inspiration for me and my channel 😊😊😊

  • @cryptolomito8678
    @cryptolomito8678 Před 4 lety +4

    Hi I was wondering how do you take the reference of the cost of the highway at 10:54. Thanks

  • @scottfranco1962
    @scottfranco1962 Před 4 lety +3

    So a Cessna Caravan is still a fairly big aircraft, seating 9 people. If they are not filling that, what is the matter with filling the "essential need" with Cessnas/Pipers? (4 seater aircraft). An independent company could do that.

  • @DBLARRY999
    @DBLARRY999 Před 4 lety

    Thanks. I have learnt so Much from you of the Aviation industry practices

  • @charlescoleman10
    @charlescoleman10 Před 4 lety

    Thank you, that was very informative.

  • @mvg2993
    @mvg2993 Před 4 lety +80

    I played this video to my dog...
    He still a dog, but he liked it though

  • @durangokids1
    @durangokids1 Před 4 lety

    Shoutout to my hometown of Durango!!!! Major tourist destination, with over 300,000 annual passengers through the La Plata County Airport

  • @luiscalado2138
    @luiscalado2138 Před 4 lety +1

    Please make a video on major airport expansions! Great channel!

  • @NotAmira_
    @NotAmira_ Před 4 lety +154

    Airplanes: *exist*
    Wendover: It's free real estate

    • @askhowiknow5527
      @askhowiknow5527 Před 4 lety

      Rev. Spooner: It’s reef real estate

    • @Jehty21
      @Jehty21 Před 4 lety +3

      How is it possible that under every video the same comment is one of the most liked comments?
      Are -Wendover fans- people on CZcams really that stupid?

    • @JohnSilverstar12
      @JohnSilverstar12 Před 4 lety

      @@Jehty21 not just a wendover meme. This type of meme is all over youtube and apparently they don't become boring to many

  • @TheBenenene10
    @TheBenenene10 Před 4 lety +105

    "without telling you what to think"
    proceeds to tell us what to think lol

    • @forgottenfamily
      @forgottenfamily Před 4 lety +11

      He's trying to make sure we understand the equivalent value of that program without trying to express whether that means its justified or not. "It's not that much" is not the same as "it's worth it"....

    • @stevencooper4422
      @stevencooper4422 Před 4 lety +6

      @@forgottenfamily It's a matter of principle. If we cut all the crazy programs like this one the government would save billions. If not, the programs will continue to grow and our debt will consume us all.

    • @forgottenfamily
      @forgottenfamily Před 4 lety +8

      ​@@stevencooper4422 Again, no position was made on whether it was or wasn't worth it. Whether you think it's worth it is up to you and you may vote based upon those beliefs. All that was expressed was to give a proper reference point to what the cost is actually since we actually have very limited ability to understand expenses that are orders of magnitude above numbers that we routinely deal with.
      However, if we want to talk about practical realities, here are some things I do ask:
      1) What is the actual economic benefit of the program? While the video gives a percentage of economic growth from increased traffic, that doesn't actually translate to an actual dollar amount of economic activity. Did that economic benefit exceed the 290M? In fact, I'd actually want it to greatly exceed it - if it's a 1:1 ROI, then it's basically a direct funneling of money from Washington to that town which is not necessarily a practical policy.
      2) Are there more effective ways for that 290M to be spent from an economic standpoint?
      3) Are there secondary economic or cultural benefits. I posted elsewhere on here that one of the areas I'm thinking about is how primary resource gathering such as mining and farming are fairly rural oriented just by their nature. While the economic benefit of growing the town might not necessarily be there, having farming communities be connected enough to continue to sustain the farming industry may be a worthwhile investment.
      I'm sure if pushed, I could come up with additional questions, but the point of the questions is that there are a lot of reasons to consider this a worthwhile investment. On the other hand, it would not shock me if many of these flights are terrible investments and are far more about ensuring that communities that have no remaining economic value are propped up. I'm not convinced that a small youtube video can truly do justice to answering the questions that need to be answered for judging a program. But I do know that just looking at the price tag and saying "that's too much" without asking the question "is it worth it" is just bad government.

    • @seigeengine
      @seigeengine Před 4 lety

      I mean, yes, but we all know by "what to think," he means "what opinion to have on the matter."
      If you consider facts as matters of opinion you probably shouldn't try having opinions about anything of consequence at any point in your life.

    • @seigeengine
      @seigeengine Před 4 lety +1

      @Steven Cooper "We should cut this program because it costs money."
      That is all your comment said. Morons like you are why there's a debt problem in the first place.

  • @samarvora7185
    @samarvora7185 Před 4 lety

    Life's good when wendover uploads a new video. Waiting for Extremities season 3.

  • @thenewadventuresofhenry6998

    When I fly into Chattanooga from Charlotte it's on a tiny plane from American Airlines that's always packed. When I fly in on Delta from Atlanta the plane is big and only 3/4 full.

  • @itssaad8663
    @itssaad8663 Před 4 lety +3

    Wow! You make very informative and entertaining videos on airplanes...i hope you make more!
    *oh wai.....*

  • @Mystik3eb
    @Mystik3eb Před 4 lety +64

    "Without telling you what to think, $290 million just isn't that much for the gov."
    *shrug*

    • @fetchstixRHD
      @fetchstixRHD Před 4 lety +13

      To be fair that isn’t contradictory, you can still think that these flights shouldn’t be subsidised even if it were just 1 dollar. Wendover previously has stated he supports access to transport for all, you don’t necessarily have to share _that_ view.

    • @habirton
      @habirton Před 4 lety +14

      2019 US Federal budget is $4.4 Trillion dollars. $290 million is 0.004% of the budget. It's not that much compared to the size of the budget.

    • @Mystik3eb
      @Mystik3eb Před 4 lety +3

      I agree with the sentiment, just thought the phrasing was funny.

    • @matthewhemmings2464
      @matthewhemmings2464 Před 4 lety +4

      Dan Scannell Well if every passenger using a subsidized plane increases local GDP by 0,12 %, and these flights allow for the upkeep of jobs in these areas, such a program can be an investment.
      Let’s be honest, the government earns money through taxes, if it pays 1 $ for a program knowing they’ll receive 1,01 $ back in tax revenue, it is a win-win situation for them. Plus they get to create jobs in rural areas, etc. Thus, 290 million is not much.

    • @tann_man
      @tann_man Před 4 lety +3

      I agree with fetchstix™. The relative price of the subsidization doesn’t matter nearly as much as the principle. We the people shouldn’t be forced at gunpoint to pay private businesses

  • @codystratman
    @codystratman Před 4 lety

    This is especially fascinating considering I used to live in Gunnison and would drive the 4 hours to Denver because of the cost of flights and now live in a small town in Alaska where the flights to Anchorage cost about 1/4 of the cost of flights from GUC to DEN. It would take me less time to drive to drive from my town to Anchorage than it did from Gunnison to Denver. You can always drive to an airport in Colorado and there are multiple roads to get to a major airport, but in Alaska that is generally not the case.

  • @alexdhall
    @alexdhall Před 4 lety

    Resident of the DMV (DC, MD, VA). The estimate you give at 9:33 is a best case scenario. With the traffic issues we have, especially when crossing the Potomac river during rush hour, it will probably take longer than stated. Though I agree with Wendover that the subsidy makes no sense...

  • @JamesRB10.
    @JamesRB10. Před 4 lety +177

    Last time I was this early, the 737 MAX was flying.

  • @SgtPeppersLonelyHeartsClubBand

    I just realized that this is like an airplane related channel at this point.

  • @emartinez2740
    @emartinez2740 Před 4 lety

    6:40 Forgot Puerto Rico which also has an essential air service act route from San Juan to Mayaguez by Cape Air. They may remove it though since there are two other airports on the island close to Mayaguez with direct flights to Orlando, New York City, Newark, and Ft. Lauderdale on top of San Juan airport which is only a 2.5 hour drive.

  • @wanderlustspirit4607
    @wanderlustspirit4607 Před 4 lety +1

    Thanks for showing the Alaska Horizon Q400 and the Alaska 737. I work at Alaska and it’s a beautiful plane.

  • @charlesramos7339
    @charlesramos7339 Před 4 lety +84

    Planes: *exist*
    Wendover: *plan(e)s and posts 5112019 videos on them*

  • @MSthesmart
    @MSthesmart Před 4 lety +10

    What I am doing here during my Physics lecture?
    Oh I learn more easily here. Lol

    • @waaahl
      @waaahl Před 4 lety +2

      It’s not the Vf=Vi+at that kills you, it’s the F=m(deltaV/deltaT)

  • @sleepytickle
    @sleepytickle Před 4 lety +1

    Essential air service. It allows smaller communities to have air service whereby they otherwise would not.. This could be critical in remote places like Flagstaff, AZ. Bute, Montana. etc.

  • @henrytimpe7644
    @henrytimpe7644 Před 4 lety

    amazing videp. lots of research. well made

  • @Taprman
    @Taprman Před 4 lety +16

    3:18 my town finally mentioned in a CZcams video

  • @tornado1050
    @tornado1050 Před 4 lety +59

    When wendover talks about planes in his CZcams videos:
    Commenters: *PLANES EXIST*
    Wendover:I own these now.

    • @honkhonk8009
      @honkhonk8009 Před 4 lety

      not funny didnt laugh.

    • @tornado1050
      @tornado1050 Před 4 lety

      @@honkhonk8009thanks for the comment, could you suggest how it could be funnier?

    • @honkhonk8009
      @honkhonk8009 Před 4 lety

      @@tornado1050 Stop using normie formats that have been spammed countless of times.
      Humour isnt as simple as finding "le funny phrase" and spamming it and expecting a result. Humour needs originality. No ones gonna laugh from a shitty reskinned joke

  • @STMUN
    @STMUN Před 4 lety +1

    i really want to see the Canadian version of this cause when I lived in the Arctic, it would cost my 3k round trip to visit my family in Ontario. i met some people in the Eastern Arctic and it costs them between 5-8k to fly to Ottawa and back. I don't think we have a similar program or if we do, it works a lot differently

  • @lukakulukaku2348
    @lukakulukaku2348 Před 4 lety

    Wendover at its best!! keep it up champ.

  • @askhowiknow5527
    @askhowiknow5527 Před 4 lety +82

    “It’s not as expensive as the other things we spend money on” is not a valid excuse to spend money.
    I do think EAS is a good thing though

    • @B0bb217
      @B0bb217 Před 4 lety +23

      I think he's more trying to say that it's a lot more beneficial than a lot of those other things

    • @damonferrara3637
      @damonferrara3637 Před 4 lety +5

      It puts it into context though. If this program was a complete hole of money, we'd probably all turn against it eventually. The spending is still proportional to its benefits.

    • @deep.space.12
      @deep.space.12 Před 4 lety +10

      He did compare it against highways which is relevant...

    • @54461jessy
      @54461jessy Před 4 lety +4

      But what he said is the cost of building new highways which do last, so it's not a fair comparison. I believe that maintaining existing highways would cost much cheaper.

    • @seigeengine
      @seigeengine Před 4 lety +6

      The point isn't that it being a small amount of money in context means that money should continue being spent this way. The point is that the money being spent on this program isn't worth much as a counter to idiots who are inclined to go "wow, $290M is a lot to me, therefore it's such a waste because I'm a selfish prick who has no concern for other people and can't conceive of another perspective."

  • @jackpalmer2549
    @jackpalmer2549 Před 4 lety +13

    “The US is one of the least densely populated developed countries in the world”
    *Laughs in Australian*

    • @jasondashney
      @jasondashney Před 4 lety

      I see your Australia and I'll raise you a Canada.
      Update: The googles tell me I'm wrong. 4 to 3.3. Holy shit.

    • @campbellmartin2499
      @campbellmartin2499 Před 3 lety

      I was searching for this comment.

    • @randomeastasian347
      @randomeastasian347 Před 3 lety

      Nah Australians are all bunched up all on the coast.

  • @VulcanLogic
    @VulcanLogic Před 11 měsíci

    Another fantastic argument for high speed rail. Pueblo would be an easy stop in the Denver corridor that would not need to be subsidized AT ALL.

  • @abdullabintalib4118
    @abdullabintalib4118 Před 4 lety

    Nice Video. Very informative 👍

  • @josipcuric8767
    @josipcuric8767 Před 4 lety +76

    Hmmm
    Yes
    Yes
    This channel is made out of airplanes

  • @anb4351
    @anb4351 Před 4 lety +46

    4:21
    how the hell is that plane standing ???

    • @pixoontube2912
      @pixoontube2912 Před 4 lety +3

      I also just thought that

    • @OCinneide
      @OCinneide Před 4 lety +3

      Wings under the engine

    • @cabanacat
      @cabanacat Před 4 lety +22

      Look at the wheels under the turboprop

    • @scotthenrie5674
      @scotthenrie5674 Před 4 lety +2

      @@OCinneide wings are above the engine!!! You meant to say wheels. 😜

    • @scotthenrie5674
      @scotthenrie5674 Před 4 lety

      @@pixoontube2912 check the new replies for an answer.

  • @akashagarwal6425
    @akashagarwal6425 Před 4 lety

    I love all your videos esp. the ones with planes and airports

  • @jaysmith1408
    @jaysmith1408 Před 4 lety

    Pueblo-Colorado Springs. 45 minutes (legally) gate to gate by highway. There are circumstances where EAS will just bus the passengers, i mean really, flying to the next town over in thirty minutes isn’t something about which to get excited.

  • @volusrus5159
    @volusrus5159 Před 4 lety +11

    USA: Has airlanes to every small village
    Europe: T R A I N S

    • @seigeengine
      @seigeengine Před 4 lety +2

      Also USA: The size of the entire European continent. a third bigger if you exclude Alaska/Russia from those.

    • @fgsaramago
      @fgsaramago Před 4 lety

      @@seigeengine you have trains from Lisbon to Paying Yang if you want to, so it's a moot point the one of size

  • @jaloveast1k
    @jaloveast1k Před 4 lety +32

    7:28
    trans-siberian railroad: *cough*

    • @ChrisGeden
      @ChrisGeden Před 4 lety +2

      Justice and honor built by countless slaves: *TB cough*

    • @jaloveast1k
      @jaloveast1k Před 4 lety +7

      @@ChrisGeden we prefer to call them.. commited volunteers

    • @antondeni4166
      @antondeni4166 Před 4 lety +2

      Justice and honor incorrect. The trans-siberian road was built in the days of Russian Empire.

    • @hsfjeldnfdhejfnfdnslcjwk281
      @hsfjeldnfdhejfnfdnslcjwk281 Před 4 lety

      And all electrified

  • @jacobh.4719
    @jacobh.4719 Před 4 lety

    Love your videos but 5:12 the smallest Plane operated by Envoy (American Eagle) is the ERJ 140 with 44 seats.

  • @dotnothing5620
    @dotnothing5620 Před 4 lety

    Curiosity Stream is cool shit. Thanks for great content! Can't wait for your doc to drop on Nebula.

  • @kobetiu8628
    @kobetiu8628 Před 4 lety +3

    I'm seriously running out of plane jokes for this channel.

  • @santiagorestrepo9504
    @santiagorestrepo9504 Před 4 lety +3

    4:19 gravity needs a patch.

  • @waltondorrison
    @waltondorrison Před 4 lety

    Hana here! That subsidized Mokulele flight between our small town and Kahului operates a couple times a day. Used to sit on the sea cliffs just off the runway and watch the late afternoon flight depart. We have no control tower, and the one person that works the "terminal" just calls Kahului Airport to let them know the plane left.

  • @isaacbeja4073
    @isaacbeja4073 Před 4 lety

    Very interesting... Thank you!

  • @spiedz2130
    @spiedz2130 Před 4 lety +3

    you say 54$ is low for a flight in Europe you can buy a flight from London To Oslo for £4 if you're lucky or £21 from Dublin to Canarias Islands

    • @tcrossau
      @tcrossau Před 4 lety

      SpieDzFN add bags, a meal etc... adds up

    • @spiedz2130
      @spiedz2130 Před 4 lety

      @@tcrossau don't bring bags prepare meal

  • @elbalalaw1781
    @elbalalaw1781 Před 4 lety +8

    6:40 also you forgot that trains are the go to mean of transport that European countries subsidize as they are cheaper than planes and often ran by state owned companies

    • @TheOwenMajor
      @TheOwenMajor Před 4 lety

      And yet every year Europeans fly more and more often.

    • @williamforbes6919
      @williamforbes6919 Před 4 lety +1

      Yes, it is quite nice when a crushing world war breaks any semblance of property rights, allowing the government to build massive civic works without dealing with the headache of relocating literal tens of millions of citizens from their houses. It also helps when your entire nation is the same size as a single state of the United States.

    • @seigeengine
      @seigeengine Před 4 lety +3

      Also, the entire European continent packs about twice the people in about 75% of the land (if we exclude the European portions of Russia from both, and Alaska from the USA).

    • @williamforbes6919
      @williamforbes6919 Před 4 lety

      @UC9LdrViPBSyykPs4CAGogBg The reply function didn't seem to add in the user name you are responding to.

    • @elbalalaw1781
      @elbalalaw1781 Před 4 lety +1

      @@williamforbes6919 Can you please send me a link to proove it? Because the majority of railroads in Europe were built before ww2

  • @damdamdigadoodoo
    @damdamdigadoodoo Před 4 lety +1

    Hi Wendover,
    Can you make a video on job generation by and at airport, like Heathrow or Dubai?
    You have loosely covered this topic, and I feel such a video will catch the attention of even policymakers :).
    Cheers!

  • @danb.3397
    @danb.3397 Před 4 lety

    ANOTHER QUALITY EFFORT, THANKS

  • @boshypatry
    @boshypatry Před 4 lety +64

    54$ flights.. lol
    Here in Europe we have 10€ flights with Ryanair

    • @edipires15
      @edipires15 Před 4 lety +7

      Depends from and to which airport you go

    • @TapOnX
      @TapOnX Před 4 lety +25

      *shitty short-haul flights if reserved months in advance

    • @Hobinator17
      @Hobinator17 Před 4 lety +7

      Weird flex but ok. Do you think you're better than us or something?

    • @boshypatry
      @boshypatry Před 4 lety +3

      @@TapOnX well... yeah

    • @boshypatry
      @boshypatry Před 4 lety +2

      @@Hobinator17 Absolutely not. I'd love to move to the US

  • @tzwacdastag8223
    @tzwacdastag8223 Před 4 lety +5

    Will Wendover Production ever run out of Plane videos ?

    • @scotthenrie5674
      @scotthenrie5674 Před 4 lety +1

      Wait until the airplane industry starts leaving Earth's atmosphere to make the trips shorter! ( I doubt that will happen )

  • @fantasyfootballhelper7651

    Keep up the good work Sam.

  • @gilyterobertson1
    @gilyterobertson1 Před 4 lety +2

    07:20 the Forth Bridge! 😍