Asmongold Reacts to Hamsterwheel Explaining How Hard Naxx is and a Guy Calling Him Out on His Lies
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Only thing i'll do in vanilla is: 1: level to 60. 2. Farm Scarlet Sorcerers(or something, but in eastern plaguelands by that one tower), for crusader enchant pattern. 3: Profit.
17:02 takes an example of grinding and thinks that was his actual character. The names were different too AND that clip was just there to show how slow killing mobs in vanilla was. This guy took a whole lot of things completely out of context.
That and his gripe is that he made some contradictions when talking about memories from 12-13 years ago.
Also he has a dedicated video of his own screenshots where you can see him raiding mc through naxx
Asmongold being asmongold lol!
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Last thing. When Naxx was 4 months from coming out, they introduced invasions, raids/dungeons/quest areas had rare spawns, daily quests, extra bosses that dropped gear that helped you get into naxx or have shadow/frost resistance. one such boss had a gray/black lightsaber reminiscent of the blue one for getting the head of the dreadlord from Liveside, after you did the other quests/got revered/exalted with argent dawn in UDS. There was a recolor mini set of judgement that did tons of extra damage to undead that paired with the 2 lightsabers. it was fun helping others get those.
are you talking aobut the invasion in Ungoro crater? i barely remember it.
the rebuttal lord was kind of a frantic semantic wasn't he
One guy talking out his ass and the other guy going way too far in depth. What a winning combination.
If you watch the latest hamsterwheel video about naxx(not the one the guy is responding to) you will see that he is not in fact talking out of his ass. Also, hamster in the video that is being responded to, is actually mentioning 2 experiences. His experience with naxx on classic, and his experience on private servers. And the guy is just quoting him out of context to descredit his thoughts.
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@@18ps3anos nah hamsterwheel is bullshitting all the way to the top the only reason not that many guild cleared naxx is the 3 month period thats all. Litteraly thats all. like 80% of guild dint even bother. Its the not the farm what the fuck hardcore raider were rich as fuck at that point and farming the frost res gear was easy. Hamster did clear naxx on private but he never set foot in it in classic and thats the bullshit. And no for the 100th times private server are not classic wow. Even blizzard cant recreate the experience faithfully or will have a real hard time so no fucking random team of 5 coder cant do it either.
@@18ps3anos Also factually private server raiding guild that attempt naxx are alot more demanding then the actual guild that cleared naxx at the time in term of consumable and shit like that.
@@hurlubu HOOOOOODOOOOR vanilla is best muhhhhhhh , you didnt paly vanilla you are dumb .
Dude hopfully Blizzard sees that the whole classic community are just angry nerdy neckbeardes and stomp their classic plans into the ground . Serious classic is shit
By the time you actually reached sapphiron, the entire raid was prepared for the fight
Maybe I am hugely biased towards thinking what my guild did was normal, but what guild in naxx legit had its players farm mats for every potion they were gonna use. We just bought gold and bought stuff off the ah.
3 shadow protection pots per attempt on loatheb was a monster.
Edit: doing gdkp runs of mc and bwl. What a mad lad. I didn't even hear about gdkp runs until icc.
Also any guild that was top in the server likely had the organisational skills to farm/buy/share consumables with their healers and tanks, yes people were insanely selfish in Vanilla but opening AQ with the war effort and the gong questline forced your guild to think and act cooperatly to the extreme if you wanted to be the one to open the raid and get server firsts across all raid bosses. Our guild camped and dominated all world bosses with dedicated small PvP groups to wipe and camp the top enemy faction entire raid guilds, farmed together to complete AQ war effort and complete gong questline to scarab lord our guild leader and would continuously ask if anybody needed consumables during raids so nobody had the excuse and we wouldn't wipe because jimmy prefers PvP to farming, dave works 9-5 and pete is too scared to ebay gold. Today guild leaders and officers have addons to check if people have the buffs and consumables they should but back then you needed trust and having the guild share resources was the no 1 way to guarantee everyone had them because even the best players will lie to appear better than they are, when an entire wipe can happen because a healer didn't cast a heal on a tank because they had no more mana because they had no more mana potions. In vanilla, every consumable matters, and that is really important to recognise, but expecting everyone to solo for them just resorts in people cutting corners and being lazy, which results in wipes due to not having clutch consumables. World buffs are 100% optional overkill and are not realistic for progression and the endless wipes that occur.
@@cattysplat oh yeah I remember sitting there with fishing farmbots (dong the gong/ war effort) with our gl all sitting in vent talking about how much fun it was.
Talking about the organizational skills I do remember us buying out the frost resist mats from other guilds on our server in naxx. But being a mage maybe I was the problem not farming for other people *surprised pikachu face*
Well your guild was far more generous than mine was. The expectation was you had all consumables we didnt care how just that you had them. Sure would have saved me buying those Visa prepaid cards to buy gold with my boy tyte. As a mage I never had to worry about farming taking along time, just being in middle school was a far bigger constant on my and others time.
Feels super old man to think that was almost 13 years ago.
''Imagine wiping'', well, you don't.
My guild only cleared 9 bosses in vanilla Naxx, but we did get Patchwerk. I don't remember any of our members carrying that many potions into the zone. But it's been like 13 years so I don't remember much about those little details.
Not having another raid to do was pretty sad this expansion. I was hoping that the 1st raid would still have an active community even when the 2nd raid came out. I remember seeing no one in the queue, or at least it wasn't even an option. I don't remember. I mean by the time the 2nd raid came out for BFA, we got gear that was Mythic raid 1 quality for free.
I remember farming essence of water by fishing in Azshara
You misinterpreted the statements at 25:50. The middle one was when he was raiding in classic and the lower one was when he raided in the private server, hence how they cleared it.
It was so obvious. And, the guy making the response video is clearly taking this out of context. Either he's too dumb to know or intentionally misleading.
cant wait to see private server numbers vs classic numbers
So I raided Naxx on Ner'zhul back in the day with a guild called Dominant, a pretty decent up-and-comer guild with several top 50 US Naxx kills. I was a mage with them and progressed up to the Four Horsemen where we were cockblocked for a few weeks due to the 8 tank issue. I ended up selling my account shortly after that point mainly from burnout, and expectations that TBC would make all the hard earned gear obsolete. I think Dominant ended up clearing Naxx before TBC came out, but I had long since left.
Anyway, as a fairly serious raider, I knew exactly what guild the elite player in the video response played on just from his general description of their progression - Lost Anarchy (or LA as we called them). These guys were definitely skilled, and this was compounded by the fact that Ner'zhul was a high population server with a lot of Naxx raiding guilds. Maybe this is lost on modern wow players, but the servers would lag the instance severely on common raid night times like 6-10PM Pacific time. Several fights, which were normally one-shots for us, like Thaddius, would not be possible due to extreme lag during polarity shift events causing disconnects, or massive delays in response. It was a common practice to /who the instance to get an idea how many other guilds were raiding. If there were too many people you just called the raid off. I think LA was a bit more committed and they were willing to push their raid times much later into the evening to avoid overpopulated raid times.
At any rate, personally, I didn't use a massive degree of consumables. More of a flask of supreme power and occasional mana pot kinda guy. I was going to college at the time and could only put in about 20 hours a week, which is a lot, but not really compared to bleeding age raiders.
This takes me wayyyyyyyyy back. Played on Ner'zhul in Shadow Gypsies. Although we never had a dedicated raid guild I remember these guilds and people. Only a teen at the time. Thanks for a refreshing memory of when life was a bit easier. Lol.
"See you guys in vanilla"
We got ourselves a timetraveler boys.
I cleared Nax during Vanilla and I had to bring about 100 Gold worth of consumables for every raid evening and our guild did sellruns to BWL to finance all the resistance gear for the raid. 100 Gold was really much back then. I had 1900 Gold in total and started with nearly 4k when we entered Nax and I farmed like a maniac. Here a pic of us after killing Sapphiron: i.imgur.com/OZc5w4H.jpg. Here a picture the day we tried the first boss in Naxx and I made this pic of my crazy full bags: i.imgur.com/jH4QEiJ.jpg - and yes, my interfaces was a mess and I learned how to be way more efficient during TBC (especially during Sunwell).
Your guild had serious issues if you used 100g a raid in consumes.
Thanks for the pictures, brings back so many memories. Also you are an absolute madman to have that much gold during vanilla, I am sure you and me did some sneaky instance farming back then involving staircases if you know what i mean ;)
@@cattysplat Dire Maul kiting ftw.
@@MrIggiepoo No, just tons of expensive resistance potions.
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Idiot
35:33 lmao that Paladin story was epic and super funny
The Chinese BT clear was completed with most DPS wearing T3. Tanks and healers got drops from the first clears.
I actually remember people reporting on that asian guild that kill Illidan with t3 on
The thing is that HamsterWheel got into a guild that had KT on farm for months when he joined. I know, I was there. Naxx is not really hard, its time consuming but casuals can do naxx. it will just take them a few months to farm different wings and bosses before you can go for 4hman etc.
That server is overtuned as well so you need consumables because the numbers are too high but you didn't need that much, everyone had like full t3. Our guild I was in, we had full t3, a few with ZG ish gear and we cleared Naxx in 3 hours.
Progression is another story, that takes a while if you have casuals, but its doable. you can raid 2-3 times a week with the guild in Naxx and AQ40. And pug mc, bwl, zg, aq20 without a problem to make a name outside of your guild.
I only did up to C'thun back in Vanilla but on that private server that hamsterwheel is talking about i did all the content but got carried through most of naxx because I came in so late into a naxx raiding guild.
36:00 I remember that shit happening when we couldn't down the Frost giant in VoA. As a tank, I'm watching everyone. We were chilling in the hallway for a good 5 minutes before someone yelled at the one guy. They argued, then he ran down the hall. Before the boss said his aggro voice-line I was already halfway to the entrance portal. Fucking funniest thing I ever saw, especially when I load outside and see half the raid dead.
Love hearing other people's stories like this.
Yup, we actually went back and grabbed t3 gear for certain pieces and sets because it was better than most gear in t6. There was a trinket that was number 2 in TBC grabbed from vanilla. So seeing people with it on isn't surprising.
my guild was really casual with a lot of stupid people that didn't know the name of the game at all but we still managed to clear the whole spyder wing, razuvious, and zombie wing (with patchwerk and thadius) The thing is// Nax has A LOT of bosses and gear from nax itself is way superb even to AQ40. Pros will clear it faster with tons of consumables, but if you will farm some bosses from nax, eventualy your raid gear will grow up enough to manage the whole isntance with reasonable amount of consumables.
The actual problem of nax was the announcement of TBC and ppl just stopped farming hard gear, because they knew that level cap will be raised and assuming that 70 gear will be better.
and yes t2 droped from MC before BWL was released and it had textures just how it was shown in the video. (fking newbs from chat)
obeybosss Gonna call you on your bullshit, casual and naxx don’t even go in the same sentence, only 1% of guilds ever stepped foot and killed a boss in vanilla.
The HW video on Naxx was the one that definitely discouraged me from playing a Warrior. I have mixed feeling right now I did not know this guy was full of shit
Warriors in Naxx level gear are amazing. Just be ready for rough times early game. It also sucks having to respec mortal strike for pvp then back to fury for pve if you're going for high ranks.
@@MrIggiepoo No way, I can't pvp, never been able but I'll be respeccing back and forth for sure from protection to dps, that worries me and stance dancing again.
Upon the bag space issues I was a hunter full 18 slotters and my epic quiver after having pet food n my consumables I'd have about 14-20 slots left over for loot
I played on private servers and did some naxx and we deff were not popping full consums on progression we would fight the boss a few times and when people got the mechanics down we would start hitting them.
Preparation is not difficulty.
Sure it is. If something is easy it does not require preparation.
scarcity of loot was... ok... but classic overdid it. 3 drops for 40 people was just cruel. And then you have to take into account that you could even get drops your faction cant even use (Shaman stuff, Paladin stuff), and duplicates.
Honestly, they could have made it 6 or 8 drops, and it would still be a scarcity since even 8 drops fpr 40 people mean s alot of farming.
@Garrett I mean, hell i wont return for Classic, so i dont care. I played it back then, and i didnt like it, so... honestly, whatever gets people who actually want classic back hard is fine for blizzard so... have fun, i guess xD
I hated seeing Pally drops as Horde. That should have not happened.
@Garrett was it? Seems like it happened much earlier.
I raided vanilla as holy paladin, i were alch & herb, took 3 wings of nax, just as we had a try on Gothic 2 key players transfer.. tbc launch.. people were hungry for more nax but some were not.
I would have wanted to continue, but seeing this video now i miss one thing the most, as he mentioned consumables as healer.. Dreamfoil farming! I loved farming that in Azhsara! Listening to Winamp and just getting tons of dreamfoil and then create my own mana pots.. thats what i miss now, maybe not a reason to start levling in classic.. but if im bored some day.. :D
The spider wing wasn't too bad for semi-serious guilds stuck on Twim Emps and clearing BWL like mine, no need to flask or massively farm consumables for Maex and even Noth/Instructor Raz... the other wings we never touched, because well, TBC came out.
I don't believe it, almost no one used flasks in vanilla, black lotus was too rare. 17:30 I didn't hear about it til WotLK either. #AsmonPrime!
Bullshit, those Flasks were so stupidly strong in Vanilla. You don't know about all the Scholomance Runs just for making Flasks in the Lab.
There was plenty of casual guilds that went into naxx by the way
Different people have different definitions of casual. Also raiding was a lot easier if you were alliance. They had pally buffs and fear ward. Shaman buffs couldn't compete in pve.
No they didn’t, Blizzard released stats and like 1% of the playerbase defeated a boss in Naxx. It’s why they rereleased it in WotLK, no one played it in Vanilla. A big part of that though was the BC announcement so people didn’t feel like putting in the time for gear that would be replaced anyways.
Zazzaro703 I guess I should clarify. Plenty of guilds killed Anub
The big thing that killed progress in Naxx for a lot of guilds was the pvp patch that dropped at the end of vanilla, where they gave out free epics. People stopped showing up at raidstart.
We only had 2 guilds if I'm recalling correctly that got in to naxx on our server (uldum). It'll be interesting to see how many will see naxx now that we have had 10+ years of practice on private servers.
It will be way more accessible. One of the main reason I made the video was to point out how much easier it'll be for the non hardcores to get into.
@@MrIggiepoo with how much we have been exposed to in games within the past 10 years i would hope most players would be competent enough to atleast step foot in all raids in classic >.
At the time it was hard, no question. Would it be as hard now? No, I doubt it.
there was a lot of aspects to it that made it "hard", now it's going to be as hard as killing the last boss of a current raid on Heroic in a PuG. Or even easier.
@@Fr33mx its gonna be easier even the "simplest" thing like lag or potato PC fps is fixed now.
I'm responding as the video goes on but, Naxx guilds are paying for tanks repair costs, and probably all members repair costs if you needed it. Naxx guilds were wealthy.
There were the Paladin Tanks (and some Warriors) that had to carry multiple copies of the Engineering Shield. They were few, but they existed.
People from the only guild on our server that cleared Naxxramas in vanilla called it "Potion Quest".
if they make it to 30, STV and the rest of the 35 to ~55 pvp contested questing slog will make quick work of whoever is left. i've done it dozens of times and i'm still anxious over how much time can potentially be wasted in STV/tanaris. we're talking people who are used to having their %60 mount up and running by the time they leave the barrens
Battle of the neckbeards.
Private servers allow 3 world buffs simultaneously, classic only allowed 1 every 2 hours. One of the buffs gave +50% melee haste alone. Thats a HUGE difference.
furthermore many private servers has increased spawn rates on mats for potions. Black lotus originally had a 2 hour cooldown, some private servers has them respawn every 6 min.
He should see the tank consumables list.
The Judgment bracers is the 1 piece of the judgment set I was never able to get. I spent a long long time farming that gear.
If you beat more than 2 bosses in BWL you were not in a casual guild. My guild beat like 2 bosses in Naxx and we were in top 3 guilds on the server.
i looked it up only like 10,000 people killed bosses in Naxx, anyone killing bosses in naxx was not casual.
World buffs were 100% a thing in Vanilla especially on progression bosses.
This wasn't even just a Naxx thing people did this for a lot of first kills.
This kid seems pretty upset about nothing tbh.
I know this is a 3-year old post, but no. The only guilds that were using world buffs were nihilum and their competitors. Everyone else going into molten core, bwl and aq40 didn't use world buffs in 2006.
If you're speaking for the exception, like, like 0.1% of guilds, then I agree with you. But the world buffs would only be good for questing in STV and in ogrimmar/stormwind starting zones for 99.9% of players in 2006
Technically the only consumables you truly need are the bandages, shadow protection potions, and a healthstone or whipper root tuber since that's the only way to not die on Loatheb if you're not the main tank. But if you take the raid at all seriously and don't want to be last on loot-prio or just get benched then you're bringing a lot more than just that.
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holy paladin here. and people did farm scholomance. there were so many bosses in there, and densely packed. you had the class set pieces dropping in there, the 5 second silence proc sword, some non class sets(deathbone and ironweave were pretty popular) but most importantly, it was lots of reputation. I practically lived in there helping people gear up. I would get the rep tokens from the bosses in exchange for healing. I also had completed the dungeon set upgrade quest line so I could summon the bonus bosses. I was rocking the epic parts of the soulforge set, and t2, I had t1 as well, but I preferred the spell power over the plain +healing. finally got 2 pieces of 2.5 as well right near the end before the bc launch.
I think only a ring and trinkets (classic trinkets were pretty bad as a whole, very few actual strong performance trinkets) got replaced in BC before I hit 70. if you had t2 or better you were hard pressed to replace it before you got 70 epics. and even then those who had full t3, typically were holding onto at least some of them for the set bonuses, because t3 bonuses were bonkers. I say this because back then blizz also told us that raid gear would last a long time in bc. and this was back when blizz did not have a track record of bullshitting the playerbase. combined with just the competitive nature of the high end raiders, I don't think "lol gear reset incoming, don't even bother" was really a widespread thing. and certainly not a reason why not that many people accomplished much in naxx. most people were still working on finishing aq. because most people have school and/or jobs. so most high end raid guilds just simply didn't have enough time to devote, only the most competitive ones, and they would only recruit the players that literally could be summoned into the game at any time with a phone call.
I agree pre bijou farming scholomance was a great source of gold as well if you had a double mage set up
@@charlesherbert1519 what was special about 2 mages in there? I don't recall anything in there being especially countered by mages.
@@JamesMichaelDoyle you could actually clear the entire zone with just 2 mages relatively safely. here is a good clip from vanilla of a dude and his wife doing it czcams.com/video/XmIyGlaOqI4/video.html no wipes pretty quick decent full clear for gold.
I like how everyone keeps pretending like vanilla WoW was a game that was around for like 10 years. It was 2 years. A little over 2 years and then BC came out. Stop pretending like this era of your early-late teens was some epoch of time that crystallized into perfection.
The only thing about Classic I'm looking forward to is angry gatekeepers screaming on forums.
i think they did add, i have a 405 cloak with 15 or 25 or smth like that Fire resistance.got it from a chest from Honorbound or tortolan 4 WQ reward.
Dual spec were a great improvment and I would love have it back in vanilla, but scarcity is important.
im in support of it and i know its' a conflicting issue but i think with the changing times it can help some guilds. Sometimes raid specs just dont work for "farming" as so it gives those a little bit of area to save some gold respeccing back and forth. This is mainly for healers and tanks.
you can keep the cost there.
but if they dont add this feature it'll still be ok but it's one of those QoL things that helped reduce some stress and anxiety.
@@Clavitz1 Fire Mages had it rough once they reached Critical Mass.
I haven't played WoW or classic. However; what I've seen most WoW players associate hard difficulty with time consumption.
I hope someone would help me understand this thing about WoW
Because wow was born as a casual mmorpg to make It different from the other mmorpg at the time (daoc/eq etc)
That is why the only time they tried to make the game difficult (cata) people hate It
I just saw this comment and felt the need to reiterate the part about a decent PC and connection, I do not give very many shits about Classic, but a lot of people are underestimating the effect newer hardware both client side and server side and better internet connections is going to have on the perceieved difficulty of WoW Vanilla,back then a lot of people had garbage PCs with okay connections, Blizzards own servers have been upgraded about 4 times AFTER vanilla, Mechanics thats use to feel difficult and a little janky are going to run a lot smoother server side and client side, making them feel overall easier to any player who chooses to understand them, combine this with the vast amount of knowledge there is online about Vanilla now, that was not there until mid TBC in the past, Vanilla is going to be stomped through by the Hardcore very quickly and the rest are just gunna have a fun nostalgia trip leveling without +500% extra EXP and seeing the world they no longer have access to, beyond that, i believe Classic will get very old, very quicky.
That seems about right.
I hope we can all agree that time commitment is a type of hurdle, but I wouldn't exactly call it "difficult".
@Michal Blaszczak like i said, i wouldn't call it difficult.
time commitment _can_ make something difficult/harder, but it doesn't necessarily do so. in this particular case i'd say it's not more difficult.
@@BattousaiHBr I think the word you're looking for is skill testing/skill intensive.
Yoyamba
what UI addons is he using?
he wore t3 because the set bonuses were much better than set bonuses until sunwell sets. so the 60 t3 sets had bigger boosts to dps and hps
Hardcore Vanilla community is very similar to hardcore Metal community. Their opinions stopped evolving when they were 16, and they will shit on everything and everyone that doesn't fit a certain template.
23:20 Imagine no-lifing in WoW at all and coming back a year later and everything is absolutely useless. I learned my lesson. Lasted 1 month in BfA lol
I think most people that still played WoW got used to the masochism. In the end the game became more about transmogs and achievements than the loot and it's stats, blizzard wanted it that way. I still reroll a new main every expansion and keep my old in his old gear at his old level to have the memories around.
If you keep up with current content, you get into high end content. And gearing up is much easier when the new content drops. Uldir hc was 375 - 385 which jumpstarted your push for Normal BoD, which got you into hc faster, and thus getting to that high end sweetspot faster. It also allowed you to enter higher keys than most people at release, as they never cleared HC or mythic.
I can understand if your well earned gear feels obsolete, but it's not. And 1 year is plenty of time for new stuff to come out, which is unaivoidably stronger because what's the point if it isn't?
I cleared HC and was 383 when 8.2 came out. Played for a bit, cleared BoD and then I took a 3 month break from the game, and still got into content. It was never useless. It felt good that I was still ahead of some people.
You're no lifing for the wrong reasons then.
Regarding the consumables . . .
You do need most all those consumables for private server naxx (maybe you can get away without the mageblood potions and some of the lesser important stuff). Most notably, the flask (if you're a caster). On private servers the fights are more or less balanced around people having ridiculous amounts of consumables.
With that said, most every single private server fucked up the respawn rate on black lotus. The way its supposed work is one black lotus per zone (Burning Steppes, Eastern Plaguelands, Silithus, and winterspring) at a time with a 1 hour respawn. That means with perfect farming across the server you get 96 black lotus spawns per day ACROSS BOTH FACTIONS. That means that there's only a little more than one two hour raid's worth of flask for each faction on each day.
Now, could one guild on the server monopolize them? Maybe. But that's going to take so much work that its honestly not going to be worth it. Instead you'll have people stock piling flasks and use them on progression instead of just to farm a raid. That means you're not going to fucking be using a flask in spider wing when its on farm but abom wing is on progression.
So yeah, its just not realistic to use 2 flasks in one raid consistently. Its just not going to happen when classic comes out.
that level 30 thing is true. was playing almost everyday but when i hit 33 nope when each level takes like 5-6 hours it was discouraging lol
Back then a raid with 40 people even good guilds had lots of trash players. Cant compare to doing 10 yrs later with all the info out on it now.
Monk Trader the guilds in vanilla who were capable of even clearing trash in Naxx had, literally, zero trash raiders. These folks didn’t “log on to do their dailies.” They lived and died the game.
@@dpeters9897 I know someone that killed the four horsemen and he clicked all his spells, in TBC when he was in my guild he went enhance shaman and did less damage then the tanks but we still managed to clear everything just fine, you could be an awful player and still clear everything back then.
@@dpeters9897 yep nowdays even an average guild is benching under performers, in vanilla this just wasnt happening.
a lot oof countries use , instead of .
The world buffs part is what cuts me the deepest. And then get wrecked by opposing faction before you enter the raid.
Thing was, if you were in a Naxx guild, the guild provided almost all of that stuff. You also only used consumables on a large scale when you are getting close to killing a new a boss. Once you had a boss on farm, consumables were pretty much the normal level, of mana and heal pots, long term buffs. That being said, just keeping up with heal and mana pots for AQ and Naxx was very expensive even with the guild providing a ton of consumables. I use to have to buy gold as my family and business life didnt allow time to farm that stuff. You either had to have a lot of time or buy gold.
“Scarcity of loot was a positive”...*looks at massive community backlash at Anthem*
mmos get away with a lot of stuff cause the community is far more loyal. plus there is no comparison,one is a mainstream game and this a niche mmo.
'you can't just buy a few greens'....
Tell that to the first 10 guilds who did it that way!
Also when it comes to t3 in bt.. we wore it all the way through nightbane and through some t5, but no one really wore it through bt.
FYI, we did sell naxx gear, and we cleared it in one day when on farm. So both of these people were kinda silly.
As someone that plays on a private server on a Naxx progression raiding guild, i can assert how the consumables are the real "Naxx wall"...that said it's not nearly as much of a problem as portrayed in the video.
Not only guild bank donations help a ton , and 4 or 5 days out of the whole week, the guild pretty much spends most of the time preparing for Naxx, since off-raid nights (for example doing a quick BWL, or an Onyxia run for the head buff, or a couple AQ40s to gear the new member) doesn't take anywhere near the same amount of farming.
Also: if you are an herbalist + alchemist you can easily collect all the materials to craft, at least, all the protection potions (which are, in my opinion, much more important then any flask)
Before i joined the guild they were managing on one shotting consistently 5/15 of the bosses (usually going, from what i've been told, either abomination or spider wing first) and i'm 100% sure that most people were not completely buffed (hek...we still have a couple of without their onyxia cloaks for when we do Blackwing Lair...facepalm)
Moral of the story: if you are at the point of even thinking of entering Naxx, you probably already have a reliable way of obtaining what you need to enter it.
PS: that said, i will admit it, we have not yet made it to Sapphiron, so i can't talk for direct experience regarding the frost resistance gear
need to add, boss fights change depending on the gear for your group.
if your group is under geared some points may become life or death struggles while an over geared group may not need to be so careful.
this guys may have needed to grind so much to cover for people who were slacking.
I'm trying really hard to remember which server we were on (thinking Runetotem), but progression wise our server was almost a full month or so behind. We were basically progressing AQ40 and Naxx at the same time. It just wasn't going to happen before TBC came out.
I played Vanilla and yes it was hard. It is called progression and it was hard for everyone except the elite guilds who pounded content. All Vanilla content was hard period from the progression standpoint and I did play through as much as I could and Nax was a fun place. I do not understand the debate and why people take this crap so serious. I loved AQ raids myself, never got the shield to drop once all the time we were in there and had to make the craft ones from the drops.....Always wanted that purple skull shield....sad...
AQ boss fights were great. I will never look back fondly on clearing trash again after a Twin Emps wipe, or how ugly the gear was save for a small handful of pieces.
I played Vanilla and I have a photographic memory; It wasn't Hard - It was Easy and Grindy, and people genuinly were bad at the game plus information along with addons were worse.
Computers and servers were unstable as well.
If a boss had 2 mechanics - one of them was "Grind Resistance Gear"
That's not hard - it's grindy.
Majority of DUNGEONS are harder than majority of bosses in Vanilla due to them having more unforgiving along with just the amount of abilities they have unlike Vanilla.
Sorry but this deceiving about "Vanilla was hard" has to stop - it does not make Retail look worse and that seems like the intention of most Nostalgia-hysteria-struck crapheads.
Next: *Asmonbold reacts to him running out of ideas to make money for a living*
Four horsemen did have guilds recruiting geared tanks from other guilds on the server, this bossfight was the death of many guilds.
12 years ago all the information about the encounter wasn't available. That's a huge difference. Nowadays you can find guides and take that into a private server
that bfa clown tryna slander hamster is an elite chump
Eh and this guy did it as a ranged caster. If you want hard mode Nax 40, do it as melee.
yeah standing behind the boss instead of in front of it is pretty hard
@@paul-mx1ls Yeah it was, because as melee you were pressed into a boss with little vision of AOE going off around.
Versus a caster, who can sit back in any position he can range from.
But please, tell me melee and ranged were the same in vanilla raiding in terms of repair costs.
moron.
@@Codoxnz you can actually zoom your camera out and look around without turning your character around. this might be a little much for your melee brain to handle.
melee's role in raiding is harder than range's because their repair costs are higher. ultimate melee brain
@@paul-mx1ls Yeah because being positioned where you have to be having 40 peoples effects popping off around you plus the boss your fighting is directly comparable to being position basically where you want in a raid.
The cost of repair was only to highlight the melee suffered more deaths than ranged because they couldn't easy see things or position themselves at safe spaces for most of the raids.
I was in an american guild that was on KT at the time of BC, so yeah, tell me im wrong mate.
@@Codoxnz you could not be so biased and realize that there are ALSO fights where melee can just tunnel the boss and worry about nothing. any sort of movement whether with or away from the boss is a dps loss for ranged. melee only lose dps when needing to move away.
dying more than others and being unable to see sounds like a you problem though. being unable to react to melee mechanics as a melee doesn't mean melee is harder LOL.
dont give a shit what guild you claim to be in, you're wrong idiot.
"The amount of gatekeeping". Yes. And it's predominant in all the raiding community still now, it's the reason mythic difficulty exists.
Selling MC, ZGand Ony gear was common on my server but not BWL or above.
I understand the retail players not having a lot of respect for the opinions of private server players, but pservers still have a place, if you want to play 3.3.5a in the original gear with the original talents, a private server is the only place you can do that these days :)
most addons that "retail"player use in pvp .. they ware fucking made in privete servers .. lmao
Lol all the noobs in chat saying you can do 4 horsemen with only 4 tanks.
Mike Anetsberger Literally no one said said that
@@beertrick1968 literally some of the people in chat were spamming "4 tanks"
Holy shit those consumables
I can't speak to the chinese guild clearing BT in T3, but my entire raid group was still in full T6 for our first Naxx clear of WotLK. It's entirely possible that this group was still in T3 because gear back then wasn't disposable. The bonuses were a lot of the time more powerful than anything you could get leveling through the next xpac.
The guy that got called out was obviously not speaking english as his first language, i can imagine i would slip more than once as well, give him a break. Debunking someone to later on comming to the same conclusion, that naxx was hard lol.
asmon talking about how private servers aren't that different, I don't think he really knows how buggy and how different and frankly guessed all the stats and values are. I went in to a 40 man pug as a ret pally on a private server, it's not 10% easier, it's all-out broken. mechanics just do not work half the time and if they do the damage values are completely wrong and the fight often is face rollable. it's almost always a complete farce
Depends on the server, nostaltius changed the private server scene and no one wants to play buggy garbage anymore, servers with nostalrius core have most things working right
Consumables were still crazy expensive in bfa though
Naxx on feenix was legit some bugs here and there but it was classic wow difficulty.
They're both wrong. Naxx40 was a nightmare, but it didn't require what that first guy was talking about. You know what it really needed? It needed powerhouse tanks that could take hits and hold hate, it needed the whole guild in flask of the titans, and it needed DPS pots being drank during DPS checks. You failed usually because you couldn't meet a DPS check or your HP wasn't high enough to survive unavoidable damage (what the flasks were for).
Relying on resistances was dildos because it gave % chance to work. You instead relied on being able to survive 100% of the time and restore yourself. We're talking about a raid where fights took far too long to roll dice about whether an ability one shots a few people. Whoever is putting stock in resistances beyond an afterthought is crazy.
If you avoided the avoidable damage, it was all a tank gear check and a DPS check. That's it. It was so hard because you needed 40 people who reliably would avoid *all* damage they could avoid. If you had one or two idiots who got hit by avoidable damage consistently, then you just couldn't win the DPS checks.
Source: Raided Naxx40 in vanilla.
This freakin' guy is actually trying to make it sound like a guild in CLASSIC would traverse the world over and over to get 2hr duration buffs, that might last for the duration of clearing some content most capable guilds who raided Naxx already had on farm status. Holy balls he... he's just an idiot.
Don´t forget the healers =)
@@kallmannkallmann Yeah that itself was its own gear check. People dropped to death's door all the time. However it was threat management and DPS that was the major barrier.
"if you had one or two idiots who got hit by avoidable damage consistently, then you just couldn't win the DPS checks."
so like every progression fight then...
which is funny because this is objectively false for naxx. guilds killed bosses in naxx playing at single digit fps. i'd bet some 99+% of the player base wasn't playing at the level people are playing vanilla content at now. then you have shit strats like having your entire raid use stam flasks that just make it even harder on yourself. naxx was "hard" because people were bad at the game, and you apparently still are too.
@@fuzzwobble I heard from my friend that on Heigan they was allways carried by 8-9 ppl and the rest allways died at some point in the fight xD
I recall in wotlk me and 2 friends (me tank, 1 healer & DK dps) allways had to 3man it when we started out in 10man haha.
I find it funny that Asmon is questioning dudes skill when I just watched an hour video of him getting destroyed by almost every class in level 30 duels.
We had public / random raids on my server for Naxx (live servers). Admittedly that was something rather rare at the time, but those raids cleared around 50% or bosses in Naxx. So our server had a really good playerbase that were somewhat raiding experierienced. MC, BWL, ZG, AQ20 and some AQ40. So we were blessed in that regard.
Now here is a problem with the arguments these people make: Getting INTO Naxxramas took individual effort, so the individual was "hardcore", but didnt require your guild itself to be "hardcore". You only needed resistance gear for some bosses - like Sapphiron (cold), most of which were near the end of the dungeon and not attempted by the casual guilds because casual guilds didnt beat all wing bosses.
If you raided progression you needed this level of preperation to make up for a lack of gear. But with somewhat well geared alts you didnt need that level of preperation for Razuvius, Patchwerk, etc. and the easier bosses. This level of preperation however was absolutely necessary when raiding some of the harder bosses, which I would say include Thaddius, Loatheb, Horsemen (not so sure wether it was coordination or enrage timers), Sapphiron and Kel'Thuzad.
If you pretend the other person is arguing this about Patchwerk or Anub, you are just twisting their words into something they havent said.
The difference between "back then" and private servers now is that a lot of the addons, information and the surrounding environment were different. You just didnt have the option to recruit from the same playerbase, meaning you had problems recruiting from a base that were used to doing more "complex" mechanics and coordinating as a group.
Both bring forth valid points, but I dont feel that the response video is entirely fair.
I was pulled into Naxx as an off-tank on horde side, killed two bosses. Was Zul'Gurub geared. That was just for shits n giggles and was fun to finally see it's inside then.
The private servers are pretty fuckin accurate, and if youre on the right server there aren't any bugs. It takes a grip of time to start a new guild, and progress all the way to and through naxx without getting carried.
the only problem with some encounters on pservers is when the scripting is not working on bosses and they become TnS, like Dethpod (private server), Anub'Rekan was so much easier than retail, because half his abilities were missing.
@@smokyofstormwind6320 Never heard of "Dethpod", but I know Kronos has it pretty spot on, and some of their content is actually a little over tuned. VanillaGaming was a bit overtuned as well, but overall it was spot on scripting.
@@DieTaube4 Uhhh, lolwut? Armor values? They're the exact same items as they were in Vanilla. Youre drunk, go home
@@sweetfry no they are not lol
You WISH they were anywhere close to accurate...they all admit they have no clue how many abilities work, they have no clue how boss armor, boss damage, boss ability damage etc. actually were. Several of the larger ones including Kronos actually asked their players if they wanted naxx to be easier or harder after releasing it. The end.
this is so dumb. It's like saying skyrim is hard because you have to fast travel for 20 hours in a circle to max alchemy, enchanting and blacksmithing to become an unkillable god.
Sorry to burst the bubble.
Speaking as a priest from the same server but ally side.So anyway in every naxx raid our guild was using full consumables.Hes guild is the top horde guild (still clearing naxx on the server) and im pretty sure they are using the tons of cons cuz irember doing pvp on yoja isle :P
41 slots I think and I think the max slots you could get was 88, so it's nearly half your entire bag space so locks were fucked or would need to summon everyone and make healthstones and store all of it in their bank and then have to one by one go back to their own bank to get them all unless they traded them to people in the group to then trade back and then hunter would have like a bag free.
Wow community is by far the most PEPEGA...
@@XAn0nymousX0 looks like u have never been in xqc and forsens YT comment section
TOS Pepega Clap
Seriously, he's watching footage, not playing.
Twitch pretty much removed or became very lax with the "playtime gap" when IRL/Just Chatting came out.
"Part of the charm of Vanilla..." geez.
The rate of gear drops could charm the paint off walls.
There is something wrong with resistances in Private servers, they feel less taxing.
The public does not have proper values for how things interact in vanilla so its completely guessed at. These include player damage values vs enemy npc/boss armor/resistance, enemy damage vs player resistance, how bonus healing affects spells with multiple forms of healing (ie a spell that does front in healing and a dot afterwords at a seperate value), exact ai on npcs as far as what attacks they use when (though this is more easily guessed at for raid bosses), just to name a few. There are 0 private servers that have accurate values for these.
I was more of a PvP player being a rank 13 Feral druid but my Asian guild cleared up to the final boss in AQ40 and 1 shot the first boss in Naxx. I would say the twin emps were our greatest achievement. I obviously didn't have much xp in Naxx but just from my xp of 140 days classic played I can tell you that Naxx/vanilla raiding just continues with the theme of classic which means it just took a long time to grind but as a whole but the difficulty level was far less than it is now. Same with getting rank 13 in PvP, did it take skill to form my own PvP team and farm for 12+ hours per day for 16 weeks? Some.. Was it as skillful as getting 3k rating in arena with an average class? Fuck no, not even close but it was a great time! I feel like classic raiding was more of a gear check than anything else.
What does the term "in a vacuum" mean? I never understood it. Plz. Help.
saltyscrublyfe "In total isolation; having no interaction with or connection to other people, places, or actions." Example : "Your actions don't occur in a vacuum; they affect everyone else here, too!"
Also dont forgett that the computers was not as good as they are today, ther was so mutch more lag before
Did everything besides KT..but main heals decides to level up day of TBC (last day of KT attempt) then guild disbands...Servants of Justice - Shattered Hand. Will never forget hugging the walls to avoid raid wiping mobs and borrowing MT for 4Horseman.
It took me almost a whole year of running BWL to get my t2 shoulders. I gave up on this latest expansion long before the 6 month mark