What is the BEST Guard Artillery? | Astra Militarum | Warhammer 40,000
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Pure artillery army when?
I love how he just completely ignores the Wyvern. 😂
and the death strike too. But i might found a niche usefulness for it . Stick on your home obj and target the home obj of your opponent if it is held by lone operative it doesn`t matter you can still kill lone operatives. As per rules written you do not nominate a target and anything 6" of marker get hit
I just used 2 Wyverns and they were very effective and it irritated the heck put of my opponent being -1 to hit
So easy to fix, just un twinlink it
3:46 "They're cheap and" ... "they put out."
That's what she said
It might be interesting to see an All Artillery List battle report.
3x Basilisks, Manticores, Medusas, Earthshakers, maybe even a Praetor, give all the infantry squads mortars, some Attachés, and a few Scout Sentinels for full on effectiveness. You'll have a force that can pick apart your opponent's army back to front and make it impossible to hold their home objectives or close the distance to your line.
And with some of these artillery being _regiment,_ then they can be brought back. That increases the headache for an opponent who has to play whack a mole and split up fire between the tougher targets like Basilisks that don't get to come back or the weaker targets like mortars or Earthshaker carriage guns that do get to come back.
The inherent problem with an all-arty list that none if your units wants to expose themselves, but they kinda need to in order to move onto objectives and complete secondaries.
I've typed up a list that leans heavily into artillery with creed, straken, a 2-order platoon command squad, 40 catachans, 40 infantry squads, 2 cyclopses, 18 scout sentinels, 3 pairs of bombast field ordinance batteries and 3 basilisks; Mordian says it could be very competitive
Bombast field guns are pretty good too
I think the ability to focus the firepower of your entire army on your opponent's most important unit/objective in any given turn is woefully underestimated.
@@Rexir2Are you allowed to run 18 scout sentinels though? I thought it was a max of 3 units of 3 scouts sentinels (so 9) due to the so called rule of three. Or do you mean 9 armoured sentinels with the 9 scouts?
The FOB is definitely a sleeper Mordian. It has the Regimental keyword. It can take infantry orders and come back with reinforcements. Imagine bringing a battery back on your opponents home objective behind with a platoon of scions deep striking. I’d definitely suggest taking 2 batteries. One to hold the back for IF and one for AT.
So does the medusa though! Bringing back a medusa is hilarious. I think the point is though, that if we're losing artillery pieces and we'd rather have them back and not a 20 man Krieg blob to secure the mess in our deployment zone, then maybe we need to be worrying about other things. lmao
I have 2 in a list with 2 basilisks and a creed mortar command blob, 3 solo scout sentinels for support, allows me to screen out my deployment zone and blow the opponent away while the rest of the army get all the objective shenanigans
Legends Honorable Mentions: Armageddon-Pattern Medusa. Regular Basilisk chassis, a S12 D4 medusa cannon, plus a heavy stubber. 105 POINTS.
I take two instead of a 5th demolisher. (terminator/vehicle meta)
that thing is legends right`?
I really liked this format of video. Listing all the options for a specific role, giving the pros and cons, and have a nice concise ranking at the end.
A fun artillery list would be the oops all sentinels list supported by a robust artillery line
3 units of Scout sentinels, all artillery
Something else I've thought about is the earthshaker and Medusa can apply fields of fire where the basalisk and manticore can not
What do you mean? The Basilisk is a unit!
Sorry I meant from creed for free
Baybeeeeee
Why would you target a basilisk or manticore with FoF when you can attach Creed to an Infantry Squad with a mortar and target your own squad with said mortar? 48" of range should be more than enough in most cases to attack anything (attack doesn't even need to hit, you just need to resolve your attacks) and then your basilisks and manticores will get an extra pip of AP on that enemy unit.
@@Archangel1497 duh bcs he is not playing those
"All the guard's artillery are pretty good!"
Laughs in death strike
this has been really useful as i have just started a guard army. Love the content and i will definitely take some basilisks!
Mordian could you please do a tactica explaining all the ways you can deploy a super heavy that doesn’t fit wholly within 6” of the battlefield edge? I think I understand that means it can’t be used the turn it arrives but what about Strat reserves? What about rapid ingress? What about using leontus redeploy?
I really need to get more artillery in my army😂
another quality video, cheers fella.
Would love to see a data sheet ability for heavy weapon squads, or even an order, called “dig in.” Movement goes to 0, but they get a 5+ invuln. That would still be vulnerable to any concentrated fire, even small arms, but would be protected from incidental fire. A single split fire bolter wouldn’t do it
Even a built in “take cover” would go a long way
I'm running a praetor not because it's effective but because it is cool
I've had relative success (4-1 in local tourney) with no artillery at all! I just hate the static play style
But the Combined Regiment detachment gives the artillery some perk because they need to remain still.
A couple of mortars in an ursula creed blob is an autotake for doubling up on fields of fire. Bonus AP-2 against stuff is wildly good.
I still haven't managed to get any artillery besides the field ordinance from my one combat patrol. I've got around 3000 points now too 😢
You don't need anything bar field ordnance tbf. If you have ursella creed and scout sentinels you can get them down to hitting on 2+ with sustained and lethal hits, and blast. Hitting on 2's and all 6's counting as auto wound you can do a lot of damage. I run 2 squads with 4 guns and haven't had an issue. I find people get scared of basilisks cause of the movement penalty so they rush that and the basilisk die easily. I don't have that focus fire issue with my ordnance guns
I keep looking for an excuse to get more Artillery piece Models and videos like this just undermine my efforts as I already have 2 Baslisks and 2 Manticores. sigh, the curse of being a guard Long beard. GREAT Video dude.
Medusas if you can afford them hopefully they get a plastic release if the plastic kreig rumour is real
I always struggle to want more than 1 indirect unit. I’ve run 3 Earthshakers, and they do well enough but never really do anything exceptional. 1 unit lets you hit sneaky units or backfield objectives, but more than that seems unnecessary. I may be very wrong. I kinda think Creed, a mortar squad, and 2 FOBs with bombasts could be good for killing marines. Creed uses FOF on the mortar and orders take aim on the bombasts, then use bombasts to target marine type units with AP2 damage 2 shots wounding in 3’s. Scout sentinel in there and could be hitting on 3’s retooling 1’s. Just seems like a large point sink. 415 points.
let me present you with this: having a strong indirect fire core is the purpose of our army.
it gives you more turns of firing, it gives you an ability to reach parts of the board in late game, etc.
taking 4 Artillery units is the minimum for a 3k army imo, and a goldilocks' amount for 2k
3-4 big guns or talking mortars and FOBs too?
good video. what about legend artillery : griffons, dominus tripple bombard etc. ?
When I use artillery. It will be a basilisk, a manticore, and 2 scout scentinals. If I have extra points to throw at the artillery it will be a field gun or 4. I fight a lot of MeQ's. Wounding on 4 or 5 is no good. If you are fighting a T3 army the mortars will do better for you than a field gun. A regular mortar will make the guardians, or avengers arch threw the air just fine. Orcs not so much, but Ive had a grot get a good 40-50 feet up into the air
I miss the days of having to guess the range of a mortar shot. Salvo barrages and whatnot. Can you still field a mole mortar?, or a thudd gun?
certainly interesting but you could do a whole nother segment on just how you use them in lists. like how if you are trying to include orders for medusa's its easy enough to find an officer that can provide 1 or 2 orders but trying to do groups of 3 means you either have to take a 2nd officer or you have to run leon and if you are going to take leon you might as well take manticore platforms that only he can give orders and save 100 points over 3 manticores even with the added cost of including leon who now gives you enough extra cp to give you expert bombardiers every turn.
heck mortars? 3 teams of mortars are more efficient then 2 teams with orders altho for one team of infantry or carriage based artillery you can always give a command squad grand strat meaning you can likely get orders for only 15 as opposed to 45 for a castellen etc.
basilisk on the other hand you might as well just take them as tracked units as its basically the equivalent of having the carriage with an officer included for only 25 points more and as mentioned its more mobile and tougher to boot.
personally im wanting to try 2 medusa carriages and castellan with grand strat and then 2 basilisks.
I Like to build command blobs with infantry Squad, Platoon command squad and a Hero and put them in the rear and give the command squad and the Platon mortars, so you have practicaly a mortar heavy weapon Squad for free and it makes that the rear guard command can participate in the shooting phase.
And if you have an opponent who wants to play with legends (like Marines and their beloved Leviathan or deredeo dreadnoughts) i think the Armageddon Medusa is the best Artillery, so much punch for so cheap points, for basicly indirict fire lascanons.
30:12 Thank you Evan!!!
o7
Which artillery model is the one in the thumbnail (or 22:16) looks like a Basilisk with an enclosed 3rd party turret?
Which would be better to take in an army list? The Manticore or The Praetor
Is the wyvern so bad you forgot it Mordian? Haha!
The Dominus armoured seige bombard is the best, obviously main weapon shoots indirect at 48" range, A- 2d6, BS- 4+ , S- 12, AP -2, D 3 it can take 2 las cannons and a hkm aswell the ability is any infantry hit with the main gun must take a battleshock test, not too good but has its uses😅
How dare you not mention HIS blesséd Deathstrike?!
I know right? Damn his eyes! 😅
@@HiveFleetThanatos It’s wrong! It’s WRONG! 😖
i hope it will get better rules with the new codex or a massive point reduction
I wish Praetors would come down a smidge. They’re not that overpriced when you consider they basically have the scout sentinel’s daring recon baked in. At 240 pts its basically a heavier armored Manitcore.
the attacks is way too swingy. 2D6 for the firestorm and d6+1 for the foehammer
and it only gets the daring recon buff when its under an order
The biggest problem of all indirect weapons in 40k is, that they have the risk for causing unfun uninteractive games. "I shoot this with that now" without movements, risk or counterplay involved can be very meh. Doesn't have to be, but it happenend to me (on both sides of the barrel).
For guard I would wish for worse artillery without. But better artillery with a spotter. That would open up a lot of play around positioning and movement of the spotters (again for both sides)
Does anyone have any good medusa self propelled gun proxies? The armaggedon pattern medusa goes for over $250 and i aint paying that...heck would be nice if you could find manticore platforms at all...
How about the Griffon heavy mortar ?
Love the Earthshaker, I can help allies fighting tables over TEN FEET away ! ! ! 😀👍😀
You said Indirect weapons cant overwatch, is that true? As far as I know they can overwatch if they have line of sight
Basilisk is Definitely the best.
put the praetor is so cool
Wait are we not doing horde armies anymore?
Id like to get the medusa/earthshaker if they werent something like 150 bucks lol.
I heard the “Mad-Usa Blastem Cannon with gas mask lads” is around 30 American freedom units online. Bonus is I’d imagine it’s better quality resin than forge world!
Hi, on the basilisk you mentioned to get a 2+ hit with sentinel's, that is not correct, you cant get only +1-1 on a hit roll not more. Thats statet in the rules
Wyveum 6th at LVO
Earthshakers?
You put the Manticore where sir... You shame us sir. And claimed it is Forge World. 100% agree with the number one spot.
I miss the days that wyverns were 65 points
oh good so either I wait until GW decide start printing Basilisks again or I spend £100 - £150! Good profiteering from GW there!
whait did we talk about the deathstrike missile???
Nope, because the Deathstrike is shelf-tier with its current points cost.
Video is best watched at 2x speed
can i get a tldr?
Wait so you can add two modifiers to a model and better a stat by 2 ?
no, just take aim adds to your ballistic skill, not +1 to the hit roll
@@IamAlpharius20th but can get the hit on +2 that way correct?
Right now Heavy weapons squads are in "no man land" in my opinion.
I think Heavy weapon squad should be able to attach to infantry squads;
-Cover fire would protect against charges
-Would increase survivality in a blob of 10-20
-Why Command squad have to be attached and not being alone? ....Makes sense ... because its purpose it to be enforcing infantry,.
-Why not HWs? At the end HWs are big guns to support infantry. Like a real infantry company.
Second this.
If you take a blob of 20 Infantry Squad plus Platoon Command Squad, you can hide a full 3 HWTs within that unit
@@aboyminushisheart it's a great option you are right. That set up with Infantry squads are great to hold objectives with defenders of humanity ability and with good fire power. 🔥
I was thinking more about ,"Cadian made" army .
Theorically , cadians are the "objective assault infantry type"
My key point it's about mixing the abilities plus gear :
Cadia stands(+1order)- Shock troops- Covering fire.
That mix has the tools to go straight to objectives dealing with any type of foe(infantry , vehicle etc) just in case of being counter attacked , they could respond with a buffed overwatch.
2 basilisks, or 1 basilisk? The perennial question...
The answer is 2.
Real Sophie’s Choice
1 basilisko and 1 earthersharker
Bayonets are the best artilery what are you talking about
First
agree with everything you said, but u left out a trick. U can use reinforcements to bring back either the earthshaker or medusa Carriage Batteries
Way to fix mortars is instead of heavy weapons teams take Platoon squads w/mortars and Plasma attach a Platoon command squad w/mortars and Plasma then give it drill Commander. Ur indirect fire will auto wound on 5s. If u also attach a castellan u will also get sustained hits on 6s. And the emperor help a unit that gets within 25" and is visible to the unit.
So you spend like 150 points for ONE mortar instead of 3 just so that one mortar gets kind of ok?
No thanks.