I hate the excuse that because a deck doesn't have to be competitive it means putting any garbage is fine. There's nothing particularly fun in getting a new deck, coming to the locals and not being able to do a single action whole day. There's a ton of middle ground between full power fire decks and Sparkman beatdown.
The smarter idea would’ve been to do an MC vs MC set, Yusei vs Yuma. Both decks can easily play both poster cards. Gets your nostalgia going with decks that have synergy and can be expanded on with recently released cards as well.
"Dark Magician, Eldlich the Golden Lord, Sparkman, Swords of Revealing Light and Magic Cylinder" is basically like introducing a lineup of mercenaries and it's four kids and one musclebound bodybuilder. The marketing it clearly going for something that is trying to appeal to everybody which as we should all know means it appeals to nobody. It's got the nostalgiabait across multiple eras, it's got the weird gimmick tech cards that some rogue players might want (like Coral Dragon) and it's got actual competitive staples, but that means it doesn't really work for anyone. If I were to guess, the decks will be ones where they introduce mechanics one at a time but don't have any cohesion to them, a result of them not working backwards from "What's a deck that could teach a bunch of mechanics?" and filling out the ones that aren't taught by the deck after building a deck skeleton that somewhat represents the actual game. It's like how starter decks would include weird cards like Lucky Iron Axe just because "it teaches you how to use an equip spell" versus an equip that might teach more than "just" about equip spells, such as, I dunno, Psychic Blade - yeah it's functionally not that different but it teaches "LP are a resource, don't be afraid to lose them for advantage" in addition to teaching equip spells. They've always been bad at constructing Starter Decks, to be honest, just saying, "Here's 40 cards that teaches all the mechanics" rather than actively curating each card to be AS informative about the game as possible.
Either Konami has completely given up on getting new players in, thinks the way we play the game is an unintended mistake and that normal Sparkman punch over a facedown is how the game is intended to play, or is embarrassed to show potential new players how the game is actually played. None of these excuses are good.
They havent given up because theyve brought up the issue of no new players at meetings, its just baffelinf that they refuse to market yugioh as anything but normal summon beat over a flip
It's because trying to get into ygo now is just too damn expensive. Even the cheapest competitive deck will cost 200 to 400 dollars minimum if you're wanting to win.
@@literallygrass1328 but if you want competitive Fire King, then you need snake eyes engine, + hand traps, + revamping the extra deck. Which would make the price jump to around 200 to 400 USD.
The problem is less with the set and more with the state of the game nowadays. It's been talked about to death by now, but the game is too complicated to easily introduce new players and prepare them for all the lockdown OTK floodgate BS that meta decks focus on.
just getting back into yugioh (i barely even remember playing as a kid i mostly just liked the cards) and i wasn't even interested in playing until i found out about goat format. i seriously think that era of the game is the level of complexity, size of cardpool etc that lends itself to a really fun, accessible game that still leaves room for some level of strategy and customization
I have been saying on every fb post. It is been months, years! Konami needs to fire these employees behind products like this and call in some competent people in the industry. Maybe let new names to take over the product design. It is possible to make money and make yugioh great. But for that to happen things must change. After a year of flukes this set and Millenia will be stuck on the shelves too. At this point wan can see crystal clear Konami doesn't have the slight ideia of what they are supposed to do. They have become the UDE itself.
Definitely a missed opportunity for a Dark Magician XYZ deck vs Blue-Eyes Synchro deck. Wasn't there an OCG exclusive Dark Magician Girl XYZ monster that was never released in the TCG? A common reprint of Sage with Eyes of Blue would have been nice too. Still I'll buy it for the Zeus if he's actually in the stupid thing and not just a cameo on the boxart.
Magi Magi Magician Girl will likely never come out since it was Kazuki Takahashi’s work and he didn’t want to censor it. Not in a product like this anyway. It’s been a while but hopefully one day in a lost art promo
Agreed which makes it weirder because theres a Dark Magician and Blue-Eyes structure deck thats exclusive to China(I think? its in english but still only released in asian markets) out now, why isn't that made for this?
I was thinking of getting the 2 player starter deck as a way to play NON-competitive yugioh with friends between Magic games. I have no desire to play yugioh at a competitive or local level so I felt this product was effective at that. Pull out the decks, play, and then go do what ever else. The actual game of yugioh is way too cancerous to learn or want to play as New player.
i play both magic and yugi, and maybe for you is cancerous, well for aloot of magic players feel the same way and i dont understand why the feel that way, but is not true almost not on like the last year, when we have the most balance era, when you undestand yugi and belive me its not hard, my cousin is 15 years old and he play on competitive level and he start to play 5 months ago tomorrow he go to the WCQ, and local level ussualy are far down of WCQ depend on locals,
The product would have to print all the adventure package and powerspells as a whole to make new ppl to actually enjoy slamming the cards on the table. That is what attracts new players. Simple and rewarding card effects. Not searching 2948473839 times per turn. I claim a powerful and cheap 2-player set won't work like the Zeus one.
Yeah but your point is counter productive because the player this product is designed for will then go into locals with the two decks mixed together and then realize they spent their money on wasted cardboard as the rest of the locals is searching 2948473839 times a turn with a deck thats not even meta.
@@unamusedrowlett6303 O think a board breaker going second structure deck with DRNM, L. Storm, Kaiju/Ra/LaGo and high utility cards like Pankratops, pots and Fenrir is enuff of a introduction. Nonus points if you have good generic power engines. It would be powerfuk yet simple.
Honestly Speed Duel coming out with a 5Ds and eventually work towards sets around later arcs would be a nice way to ease players up into modern Yu-Gi-Oh. It would take time and product, but it would be a solid series of kits a store owner could keep to use as an educational piece for new players.
Honestly they should’ve did two player starter decks that teaches players the basics of the game and also has a bit of nostalgia like say two decks that teach all summoning mechanics or crossover decks like armed dragons vs Sharks or something.
That is true but there aren't that many decks that do use all the mechanics. There are a handful from Pendulum era but if you say, "Feel free to ignore Pend and probably also Ritual" you do get a slightly larger pool (Cyberse wouldn't be a BAD deck to teach all the mechanics with). I think that perhaps something like what Bushiroad tends to do would be more efficient - multiple decks that are printed extremely cheap (less fancy box, usually don't have a play mat, but they can be bought for under $5 so that's entirely justified). There wouldn't be a need to find some square peg for a round hole and say "What deck uses all the mechanics" but instead find simple decks that teach each mechanic individually and let people pick the one that stands out. It also avoids the implication that you need to know every rule and feature of the game right off the bat, instead saying, "So you know how to Xyz Summon, that's good enough if you're using an Xyz deck."
close, we still dont know wich card have the set, but zeus is a powerfull card, the set is more for player already play cause a single zeus cost 20 buck and the set cost 20 bucks, i preorder one box, plus one visas starfrost and i wish the set bring almost 1 visas samsara, if have visas proably i will buy 2 sets XD, @@kish45
Runic Dark Magician vs Bystial Blue-Eyes. You can get all forms of extra deck summoning (except pend) and have an actual structure, as well as being nostalgia bait.
Man konami has such a perfect time to give the Visas Starfrost archtype to new players (as a starter set). We currently have Link, xyz, fusion, synchro. Link Scareclaw is the easiest deck that shows you how to link and special summon monsters from the hand. XYZ Kashtira shows the player about banishing its or his/her oppenents cards to gain advantage. Synchro Mannadium shows the player about destroying your own cards to go into a synchro deck combo. Fusion tearlament shows the player a about fusion summoning from the graveyard and about milling cards. This is such a perfect archtype to give new players to learn. Its hard but its viable in competitive and casual play. The best part? You can mix the decks, love tear kash? Go for it, synchro scareclaw? Why not? Wanna call yourself Visas Chadfrost? Run all 4 of them in a deck. We just lack ritual and pendelum visas archtype to complete the set. Konami can make good products if they try.
vedas karanta is a psude pendulum XD i love visas is the reason why im back to yugi, buut its not novice friendly, also yes is one of the best inversion for new players, if the set have visas samsara, starfrsot, riumheart and zeus, and some sup for visas, will be great for start a mannadium-scarclaw-kash deck, or nearly any of the archeyps from visas just zeus is 20 buck, same price as the box
While I can understand people being a bit tired of DM/BE (I myself am), it would make sense to turn them into beginner friendly decks to get some new players in. Also DM is more controlly and BE is more aggressive, so it would show the variety in strategy.
I was hoping it would have been like a Runic Dark Magician vs. Bystial Blue-Eye. Probably the best middle ground Konomi could ask for, targeting most types of players.
because they are bad archetypes and are not friendly at all, brick eyes and DM u need to know how to play yugi first for both be some kind of playeble, skystriker, traptrix,are good deck for beggineirs, are easy to undestand easy combos and are some kind of mid tier
ohhh yeah that wil be neat, bring back the 2 original starter set but with improve and support good idea, well for matter of fact the reprint with kaiba, joy and yugi deck come this year legendary duel pack 2, havea reprint this year, i wish a structure deck of chaos max XD, @@dudono1744
Just make a Starter deck for an engine of Search->Special->XYZ or Synchro into Boss with some Staples like effect veiler and spell traps (Infinite Imperm). For instance, StellarKnight archetype have "IF Summoned, do...". It's not even that hard Konami 😅
I fully agree with your take a friend of mine says the sets good because it’ll introduce players to the game, I say it’s shit because it doesn’t properly express how the game actually plays.
Like imagine getting this set and you’re around 12-15 playing it with a friend frequently then going to a local card shop to play some yugioh, I guarantee they’ll leave that store never wanting to touch the game again.
This product attempts to strike a delicate balance between including cards that are either nostalgic to those who may have not have touched anything having to do with Yugioh outside a few episodes of the anime or may not have even been alive when they were first printed, and cards that they can expect to see in some capacity that have been popular in recent years. It aims to walk prospective players through the basics using cards from different eras of the game at a speed similar to an episode of the show through a scripted duel. So of course this is going to be a shock to some members of the player base who think its crazy for Konami to mix callbacks to the early years of the game with cards that see play in tiered strategies.
I think I'm in the minority, but I actually think the decks might be fun to play. Sure they in don't represent a consistent modern yugioh deck. The game play is probably going to reflect 2006 yugioh and probably will not be a good deck by those standard. But I think you could find lots of small incidental combos in them. The biggest issue is that modern yugioh is completely unapproachable. When I teach yugioh I start people with HAT format decks, because at least they are slow enough that someone isn't going to go full combo on the first turn and negate all your actions, but they are close enough to modern yugioh. I personally think some version of their archetype pure rivalry decks could be a good starter product. Heck if they made a product in which you could randomly get one of those decks I be vets would be willing smash two together now and again.
Nothing but facts, BEWD can do every extra deck mechanic, same with DM (although pendulum kinda falls short but they can include some generic stuff to pump out monsters)
I don’t know why they don’t just take two of the easiest to learn decks that Counter act eachother well in the meta or rogue tier, build them at their max, and Chuck them into that Two Player Starter Set.
a produc is good, not for what was originaly intended but nearly all boxes will be pruchusde just for zeus, is basicly the price for zeus 20 buck plus a bunch of cards
My Brother, Kyle stole a Duel on Master Duel by top Deck Magic Cylinder. Turn one was a brick so he Set one then Passed. His opponent built up his ultimate Utopia OTK monster, attacked my Brother for Game. In response, Kyle chained Magic Cylinder and made his opponent OTK himself. Just to be extra salty, the guy reported my brother for cheating. Little did they know that we were streaming on twitch at the time and we're able to appeal by sending the Admins the video of what happened.
Tenyi vs. Sharks (minus Kragen because you don't want to tempt people with floodgates right off the bat) would have been a better duo of decks that aren't super relevant, but at least show off the various mechanics. Tenyi shows off links and grave/banish based shenanigans and Sharks is xyz plays and how you combo using main deck monsters to get into a spread of ED monsters.
ignoring the 2 non-effect monsters, sword, cylinder and eld lich are 3 very different kinds of effects you have to learn to deal with (backrow that stalls you, battle traps, graveyard/hand effects). So as a tool to teach new players about them they may be fine, as long as the decks also contain some kind of counter to them.
fusions, synchro, xyz... even link, those aren't complicated to explain but don't get me started with pendulums... even konami seems to regret inventing those cards.
Well, the cyber dragon let's me hope we get some reprints of both his Xyz Monster, but somehow I doubt that. And I also think they designed this product with this thought in mind. They need to put ins some card everybody knows like Dark Magician and Cyber Dragon, but you also need stables and meta relevant cards like Zeus and last but not least a bunch of filler like the dungeon dice episodes back in the day. Still waiting for their official unboxings coming next week.
the biggest problem yugioh has for new players in my opinion is how walled off each archetype is how is anyone supposed to teach new players a game properly where each deck is practically it's own mini game? my only possible solution to yugioh's new player problem is to have specialized new player archetypes for starter decks with extremely simple mechanics and engines, while maybe throwing in a playset of cheap but strong staples so they can move on to more complex archetypes without feeling like they wasted money on a starter set
well les try to change your point, first best way to teach new player about the basic its on demo or buying a speed duel box specially if they never touch yugi on their life or are just anime enjoyers, if the player is a novice and have some experience 2 of the best deck for teach early level and is cheap traptrix and skystriker both deck are like 20 buck max maybe 50 with stap and the satples are good for nearly all deck(facts for my 3 meta deck y just buy sleeve on the same color and share the staples), and for a little more advance player salamangraze, its just not possiblt a novice deck for being friendly and competitve it just not posible cause the engine on meta deck are complex, are not hard but complex some cards can make 3 or 4 effects on differents point, some cards need to a requirement for active, and aloot of things are on meta modern
> speed duels are a pretty great way to play the game in a slower [...] format probably the BEST quote someone who doesn't know yugioh would still understand fundameltally, but end up with even more questions. (why are speed duels slower? shouldn't it be the other way around)
They coulda done a yugi/kaiba 25th anniversary starter deck set. Reload the OG starters and idk maybe celebrate the game while getting new people in? Idk seems so fuckin obvious.
Im way out of the loop with whats even remotely competitive now, but couldnt they just ya know re-do the Dinosmashers structure deck and Rokket structure adding in a few more of the newer cards for the deck then you have two decent decks that can compete against each other in a more modern sense that you can probably take to locals and not just get completely destroyed with? If they want to tie into anime as well could have just done modern Blue Eyes and Dark Magician even and would be better then this
I think it's wrong to look at the 2 player deck through the lens of competitive viability. I feel like most people don't play competitive, especially new players that might be coming in. Depending on the deck list, this could set someone up nicely whom may want to get into comp. Eldlich and Zeus are gonna be great! It clealry show's off XYZ and Synchro summoning, if if also has Links, it'll do more then enough to show off the mechanics. The next step is teaching people proper chaining and for all we know, it does that. Just saying, if someone whom has been contemplation getting into the game saw this, I don't think they'd be dismayed. Otherwise, I completely agree with the statement's on the DM and BEs decks. Hugely missed opportunities with the amount of support those decks have. I saw TeamSamurai pulled a Jet Dragon from the extender pack, and that's great and all, how does someone come by more of those extender packs or are they only available through the deck. Huge L on that front.
I do agree that its not meant to be a competitive product, I didn't make that clear enough in the video. And I do agree not everyone will go to the meta by and large. Hell, for the first 8 or so years I played it was almost entirely myself and 5 friends meeting up and dueling at someone's house, never even went to a locals. And I'm sure if you bought this and learned the game you'd probably have fun with it. My issue is if you enjoy the one for one trades style of yugioh that this will show (admittedly I'm assuming here but I don't think I'm out of line doing that) then you're not going to find that same game outside of this. I fully agree yugioh needs something like this in concept; simpler decks that teach the basics and show you a summoning mechanic. that's fantastic and I support that! But this products purpose is twofold; learn the game, and get playing it. and there are no other products yugioh has that offer this slow style of play, not currently. And I'd imagine if you bought this and then saw the cards from a core set or a structure deck you'd feel overwhelmed. and if the starter deck leaves you feeling overwhelmed when looking at all the other product they're selling I feel its a bad product. Its not that it isn't "good" enough to win with, its that its once again selling a version of the game konami hasn't made in decades, and I'm pretty sure if you want to know how a casual/newer player will feel about this you can check out Rarans video on Master Duel.
Gonna disagree with you here. I think a pair of decks with a scripted duel that covers all of the main mechanics is a fantastic idea. You can't expect people to learn competitive play before they learn the basic rules.
You're right, a scripted duel is a great way to get some people a bit familiar with the rules and mechanics. A mutt deck from 2005 is not the way to do that. If there is virtually no synergy between the cards in the deck, you are not playing Yugioh at that point. I don't think most people were crying because it isn't meta, or doesn't have better meta cards, but that it doesn't have a good cohesion of ideas in the deck. Eldlich doesn't work with either Sparkman or DM, and both Magical Cylinders and Swords of Revealing Light are far too slow for even a casual locals event, leaving the new player to learn things that are no longer true about the game. A lie is being sold, and if anyone buys into it, that is far more people than it should ever have been
technically, a competent Dark Magician deck and a competent Hero deck could be in there, with 3 extra cards being Eldlich that noonelikes 'cause it's dogshit, swords of revealing light that noone plays 'cause it's just not goodenough to warrant a place in a deck, and Magic Cylinder that could technically steam a duel, so it can be run as a meme card in many decks.
I’d like something like this if it was made better. It’d be nice to play a simple game of Yugioh with friends who don’t really play, however I already have GOAT decks made for this.
You people have a problem with this product and claim it "doesn't resemble Yu-Gi-Oh!" because the mangled necromanced corpse that is current Yu-Gi-Oh! no longer resembles Yu-Gi-Oh! and hasn't in about a decade.
I guess they're gonna try to have a full old school deck, introducing new and returning players to simple new mechanics, and the second one would be a new one with more advanced plays.. I mean, I hope
speed duel box are for you old decks with some reprints or new cards, i can recomend you the shadow academy speed duel box 8 decks with some iconic cards in less than 30 bucks, that the box i use for teach new players on demos, or traptrix deck is good for learn new sum mechanics,
It's not a competitive product. Yeah, it sucks and it's going to eventually screw over the casual players, but not everyone plays competitive and apparently Konami doesn't think everyone wants to. This disconnect that hardcore players have is why people get so upset at Maxx C being in Master Duel. Konami needs to satisfy completive and casual players alike.
It doesn't need to be competitive decks, but it needs to be functionnal decks. If 90% of your opening hands die to Cyber Dragon + MST, you probably won't have fun playing against anyone who plays something decent. The decks might turn out to be functionnal, but seing Sparkman when neither deck is about fusions is concerning.
Yeah it sucks and it's dumb but Konami have always been like that. There's probably a massive player base that still uses Swords of Revealing Light they're catering to.@@dudono1744
Im just buying a few to stock up on Zeus lol. The rest so far, is bulk and for nostalgia. It sells so theyll sell it. No use complaining on things, very rare that big Co. listens. On anything.
Pretty sure this is made for kids to play on the playground. Directly targeting kids with big and cool monsters, a comic book, and having 2 decks for friends. It's just like the older starter decks, but packaged together. It sucks that there isn't an actual cartoon to show off the monsters to kids like before, that was half of the appeal. Also the things you menated kinda exist. They are called Structure Decks. There are Starter decks (for literal babies to learn this game has big dragons) and there are Structure Decks (for people who want to play with a simple good theme deck.) This is just following the trend, but now you get both starter decks together.
Little Timmy who picks this or rather mom buys this for him is unlikely to have a good time when he goes to play with someone older than 10 years old and stomps his set pass deck.
@@elin111 This is simply not the case. I have no idea what your experience is with locals, but people usually aren't pricks to children wanting to learn more about the game. Also be real, kids have fun just playing the game
I just got back into yugioh after 15+ years and I agree that starter set is so random. Idk how you pull off any cool combos. The set should’ve been 2 play styles: fusion vs synchro. Or like you said, character decks from the different shows. Idk how you can drop the ball on a product like this in 2024. If I was new to the game, got that set and then watched the show after, I’d feel ripped off and ask why tf dark magician and spark man are in the same deck
my expectations were set from the fact to have a competive new player 2 deck set, it would have to print so much thats its a garateed deck building staples set, we all know konami was not going to do that. don't know about magic but only pokemon seems to have good new player decks as their standard is not completely broken that a lower powered deck could capture the core of comp pokemon
on magic is a nightmare, i play yugi and magic, but magics is alooot more expensive than yugi, just for example this box with almost 1 good card is zeus, zeus price is 20 buck, the box cost 20 bucks, but in magic a starter deck cost 20 buck for normal and 40 or more for commander and u still need aloot more cards some card can cost 200 buck each.
@@jorgecarvajal5385 is it underpowered decks or bad starter decks. pokemon has L2 decks which technically can be upgraded but its not generally reconmended by players or pokemon company but they are good starter decks , its just the decks are lower power compared to l3 decks
I mean manadium cares about light monsters and prefer even levels, right ? There sure are better monsters than Sparkman to show "putting a seemingly random ass card in your deck", but that's a thing to show.
I disagree. This deck isn't supposed to teach you how to play meta or how to play advanced strategies. It is meant to teach the basics of the basics. Judging from the card pool shown it teaches the basics of monsters, effects, effect interactions , synchro summoning and tuning, xyz summoning, spell and trap resolution and many other mechanics necessary to progress into the game. You are looking at it from the perspective of somebody who already knows how to play the game rather than a complete newcommer. Using the effect of DMG to teach players how cards in the grave can boost the ones on your field for example is an excellent teaching tool. Using sparkman as an example of an archtype monster being used outside of it's archtype for some purpose (likely as a generic level 4 in this case) is also perfectly fine. Teaching basics of traps with magic cylinder is great. Teaching turn based perma-spells with swords is great. This deck isn't meant to make you competitive or allow you to "win games". It's meant to teach you how the game works from the ground up basics to get you interested in the mechanics and give you an entry point to the game. It's a starter deck, not a structure deck. Giving a combo turbo deck with lots of combos and whatnot to a newcommer will just make them feel overwhelmed and lose interest in the game or missunderstand how the mechanics really work. You say that the game you'll play with these decks isn't yugioh, but that's not true. You need to know all of these mechanics properly before you can even begin to use other decks. These ones are great for teaching just that. This product is not for you.
Respectfully I think there's a middle ground that's too often ignored. I know this product isn't for me, I don't care that its not tippy top meta and it shouldn't be. It IS meant to teach the game, but there's no way we're still pretending the only way to teach a player that trap cards have to be set first before you can use them is to give them magic cylinder. Like are new players incapable of understanding fiendish chain or a solemn? Hell if you wanna keep it 2002 central give them torrential. But how is making this more like 2010 yugioh instead of 2002 yugioh a bad idea? If you make this around an older archetype like blackwing or tellars as I've mentioned in another comment, hell even a simple hero deck would be better. Because even if they take this and love it, what product do they go to after it? theres just speed duel, and that uses 3 columns and with the skill cards is different. Not to mention at some point if you're playing yugioh youre going to see newer decks and cards. And again, they don't need to see full rescue ace combo, but there are more cards to learn the basics with than vanilla monsters.
@@YGOStratz Yes, they are incapable of understand fiendish or solemn because they have no clue what a trap card even is, let alone a continuous one or one that can miss timing. That's the thing though. It's not about teaching them cards it's about teaching them mechanics. An effect like "increase this monsters ATK by 300 for every DM in your grave" is way easier to understand and mechanically accept to a new player than any of the blackwing combos that have paragraphs of text. They need to be eased into the game. They don't even know what ATK means. Many of these new players are children who want to start playing but get overwhelemed by the game very quickly. I was one of them and only learned the game properly by playing the gba games and working my way up during the pendulum era. Once you learn these cards and effects given in these decks you'll be able to pick up and learn any other deck way easier than if you had learned just one deck and it's combos first. It's a jack of all trades learning experience to get you accustomed to the game and help guide you along in baby steps. Like a crash course on mechanics. You pick up a structure deck after this, like the crystal beast one, or the spirit charmers one that both have new mechanics to learn, figure out those cards step by step, experiment, build your own deck, try out new things etc. You wouldn't start of teaching somebody math by giving them integrals or even 34141324 + 1423123123. You teach them 2+2 first. Sure the numbers are smaller and rarely anyone does such simple calculations in serious math (or at all), but it is a necessary step in order to understand addition so that you can start somewhere. As somebody who taught children math at some point I can tell you that it's so easy to forget how people new to something don't understand things that have become natural to us long time players to the point we don't even think about them. I'm sure Konami did a case study with non tcg players when they designed this deck and came to this conclusion. As much as we like to hate on them they do still want the playerbase to increase and make sure to put effort into things like this. We all started with vanilla monsters. They are the fundamental of the game. The core mechanic of this game still is summon big monster, attack, decrease opponents life points. More complex ideas should be learned later. I still see magic cylinder at locals sometimes. People still like to make crazy decks with old school cards and make them viable in some cases. Another thing is that this set is timeless. If you learn 2010 blackwings you don't really get anything that will help you in 2023 either and will have a much harder time grasping the core concepts while doing so. On the other hand, if you learn these generic decks, whose mechanics are timeless, you will gain a basic understanding of the game necessary to advance further and will have a much easier time learning new cards. This set will be just as useful in 10 years as it is today (unless some weird new master rule change occurs).
You mention Sparkman being used simply because it's a Level 4, but I fell like it would be better to put something that either has some protection (i.e. can't be destroyed by battle) or special summon potential to actually help with Synchro/Xyz summoning. This would also be better at teaching the idea of putting a card unrelated to your archetype in your deck because it's helpful. Konami could also have made new cards/archetypes made specifically for these starters deck with simple but effective effects and some combo potential (nothing crazy, just being able to put 1 Synchro or Xyz out turn 1 with most hands and maybe 2 with great hands). For example, an effect like "Banish 1 Warrior monster from your GY and target 1 card your opponent controls; destroy that target, and if you do, inflict 500 damage to your opponent" is simple while being really good at the same time (because of no once per turn) and teaching that stuff in GY can be used, that targeting is a thing and that you can dodge targeting effects. (you show the last one with the comic where the opponent responds by blowing their own card up (and gain some advantage in the process) to avoid the damage)
@@dudono1744 Sparkman may be used in a different way too. Like a generic light warrior level 4 in some context. Not sure until it gets released, but his stats make him as generic as it gets when it comes to vanilla monsters. Making an archtype for the sole purpose of this would be fun, but kinda redundant since there already are enough simple cards to make decks like these out there. While those effects you mentioned are good for learning, they are still more advanced compared to the very basics. What a completely new player has to learn first are phases, card types, when what card type can be used in what way, and summoning mechanics. Also some very basic effects and chains. That's really all that needs to be covered in these starter sets to begin with. They are meant to be as newbie friendly as possible after all. People can then use speed duel cards to add to these decks, learn new things and progress from there as well. Speed duel cards are all legal in tcg so buying them is a great way to get a small collection going for learning purposes and keep going from there. "Sparkman is a cool looking monster. Maybe I can buy another thing that has him and hero cards like him in it. Oh look at that, midterm paradox and duel academy boxes come with a lot of newbie friendly hero cards I can use to build up my own deck and learn further? Sign me up!" Most people who already play for a long time got disappointed when they saw the cards since they expected this to be some reprint opportunity when it was never meant to be one. That's why people are really mad. They don't care about the new player experience which is the main focus of this set. The focus of this set are likely children and teens looking to start playing. Konami knows most of us grumpy old players already seeth and breath chains and timings and whatnot.
@@shadedusk7831 Well the starter deck should also show more advanced stuff (I hope Eldlich is supposed to be that) because it shouldn't only teach the very basics but also what yugioh is about. That's also why it should feature an archetype based engine (not necesserally super good), to show that archetypes exist. If you see Sparkman and don't know archetypes exist, it wouldn't be obvious that there are other HERO monsters and that combining them is actually a good idea. I assume that since we see DM, we'll see some DM support to show the archetype thing, even though it's not the best since it's not your usual archetype in terms of wording ("Dark Magician or a monster that mentions it" vs "a HERO monster")
I'm very interested into seeing how dog shit these decks are gonna be, which means yes I'm gonna buy this bullshit product. But that got me thinking, if anyone wants to answer... Aside from Blue Eyes and Dark Magician, what decks are either iconic or "simple" enough to get into modern yugioh? And simple as in sort of like a combo/control hybrid that doesn't overload you with how you should play your deck. I would say Nekroz or ABC since they're relatively simple enough to grasp and play but I'd love to hear other suggestions
I think you missed the point of the deck. It's supposed to be an introduction deck. Teach you the mechanics of the game in an easy to go way. The next step would be an extra structure deck. Then maybe 3 structure decks and then whatever deck you want. It's a starting point that won't over through you. I have friends who started the game but struggled with the beginning.
@@mezla_ have you played/seen the "leaner" deck they give to judges/OTS shops? It's better then that and has more competitive viable cards. (Like Zeus). I think it does fine
Y'know, Konami could always find a way to make both nostalgia bait and meta powerful staples together. A good example would be like Red Eyes Dark Dragoon. Maybe Konami should make like, a Swords of Revealing Light retrain but with the same effect as Mystic Mine, but a hard once per Duel and after the effect resolves, your hand and field get banished face-down and you can't negate this effect.
It’s a STARTER deck it’s not suppose to be good it’s suppose to be a STARTER People find yugioh difficult to understand, so being able to learn the mechanics This gives people a way in, if you want “a way into the current game” we aren’t going to get ANYWHERE This is like complaining about The DM vs BE WOULDNT TEACH THEM ALL THE GAME MECHANICS, you are not “learning the actual game” by playing 1 synchro deck or 1 xyz deck How are they going to learn pendulum? Or link? Or fusion This is meant to be a starting point for players NOT A LAUNCHING PAD INTO THE META
This is like getting your first car, you aren’t going to get a 200,000 Ferrari and immediately tear up the roadways and only knowing gas means go and brake means stop There are other things you have to learn at the BEGINNING which it why it’s a STARTER
@@TuckNeal I get its a starter deck but surely we can agree there's an inbetween of modern yugioh and this? To use your own example: No, your first car won't be a $200,000 Ferrari, but it also shouldn't be a Ford Model T from the 1920's. When I last got someone into this game I gave them a tellarknight deck, because it taught them xyz summoning and they got to play a deck with an ACTUAL strategy, get deneb, cycle altairs, and it was simple. coincidentally, it was also way easier to grasp the cards he was facing when they looked and functioned more like the cards he was playing and not vanilla monsters. Understanding monsters can attack and trap cards have to be set isnt some vast struggle that people cant wrap their heads around, you can teach that aspect of the game with sparkman and magic cylinder as well as you can with deneb and fiendish chain. I don't care if this product is "meta" or not, I care that it can get players into the game. and if you buy this, get hyped on vanilla beat down, then pick up some phantom nightmare (you know, the core set dropping ONE WEEK after this) you arent getting the same type of game.
Unless i missed it in the video, yes i would completely agree with mid level decks between the start of DM to now, it just seemed like you were mad we werent getting meta level decks in full Example say Blackwings, you can synchro, xyz, and link summon with them, its not an overly complicated over the top deck The issue is trying to introduce all the new mechanics into the game and everything while trying to find a deck that can do it all is difficult, like if you picked blue-eyes and dark magician you are covering most but even having those decks wont be comparable to what PHNI is bringing @@YGOStratz
trying to appeal to the casuals and the competitors has always been an issue with YGO. I knew someone that wanted to get into the game and I loaned them a decklist similar to Jarel Winston 2012 exodia deck to teach them about timing, chainlinks, etc. they moved on to Constellar played that for a while then moved to ritual beast @@YGOStratz
@@TuckNeal For sure! Maybe I should've been more clear in the video but I dont expect the world from this, and honestly its not meant for me. But after the Raran debacle where he made it clear Master Duel taught a version of this game that isn't played, I cant see this doing any better. And I agree that DM/Blue-eyes are not enough in the current meta, but if you can understand sage with the eyes of blue and magicians rod, youre way closer to modern yugioh than the same 2002 nostalgia cards weve been getting for 20 years. Also funny you mention blackwing because thats what I played when teaching my friend. Him on tellars, me on blackwing and I only used synchro. so he could learn xyz, watch me synchro, and then we swapped till he knew both. I dont think there really is a deck to teach all and tbh thats not worth it, I say one step at a time.
to get new players to join in and understand the game this is actually extremely ideal, just because it's entirety isn't money cards doesn't make it worth crying over, it actually makes you one of the biggest cheapskates on the planet
Nah. It's not about money cards. The issue is that the promoted cards have near 0 synergy with each other. They could almost literally have put any 2 structure/starter decks from the past several years in the box together and it would make more sense than what we're currently seeing. As many have said already, they could have just made a DM vs Blue eyes set and had a product that made more sense and structure than... what we're seein.
@@vla1ne and how would that teach the new players all the mechanics of the game. that's where you're stuck thinking like meta sheep and not considering the new upcoming player base.
@@Cardlimits except DM and blue eyes have gotten support from ample eras in game, meaning they cover card design from da 1 to modern. Equip spells, continuous, field spells, traps, fusion, synchro, xyz, ritual, link, lingering effects, chain links, floodgates, missavle vs unmissable vs mandatory effects, timing, protect the castle, stun, hyper offense, name a playstyle and DM or Blue eyes likely has a build for it. A competent 2 player set could easily cover them all within reason, and if not, just make another set using some other protag decks to fill in the gaps. Side note, DM and Blue eyes aren't even remotely meta, they're just competent enough decks that would help you learn the basics. What are you even on about with that?
@@Cardlimits did you ignore the entire first paragraph? I clearly explained that the decks teach the long list of functions that I mentioned, and more besides would you like to make an actual point sir?
Can we stop shilling for brick eyes and useless magician? Their combos are waaay too convoluted for the begginers. Do I need i remind people that new players dont even know what the stars on top of the card mean??
exactly, im judge and im do some demos for new player, the best way to teach new players is speed duel box, the decks are simple not much convuleted mechanic maybe 4 card combo at max, the card text is short and mostly easy to undestand, plus have some extra deck simple mechanic like fusions, one of the best is shadow academy, for a novice dark magician can be hard, dark magician is more for someone who now the mechanics but still new at the game, and brick eyes well is brick eyes, can be fun bring chaos max but thats all
So what would you suggest? Give them some dumb meta deck? A lot of those are not only more complicated but also have the disadvantage of being BAD at teaching people how to play because they require zero skill to use. There's no learning curve because as soon as you play a single card they're on auto pilot. The only people that benefit from something like that are meta players looking to get meta cards for cheap. If you're only looking to break the game then the cards that do that for you should cost more. You should have to pay more for Zeus and you should have to pay more for manadium, visas starfrost, and all these stupidly broken 6-10 deck lore mega types with interchangeable cards because they're objectively broken and unfair.
@@dudono1744 fair. I just felt like telling this guy off because i get the distinct impression that he's a meta shill that wanted this product to be broken meta garbagio just so he can get more meta decks more easily. Which seems to be the consensus among the people that were talking about it.
I think it's a fine product. You can buy it and learn to play the most basic, playground yugioh. I agree that speed duel is better, but this is meant to be an intro to modern. Speed duel is it's own thing and treated as such. I agree that this product could be much, much, better.
I love the positivity you spread in your videos.
why did you pin a bot...?
I hate the excuse that because a deck doesn't have to be competitive it means putting any garbage is fine. There's nothing particularly fun in getting a new deck, coming to the locals and not being able to do a single action whole day. There's a ton of middle ground between full power fire decks and Sparkman beatdown.
The smarter idea would’ve been to do an MC vs MC set, Yusei vs Yuma. Both decks can easily play both poster cards. Gets your nostalgia going with decks that have synergy and can be expanded on with recently released cards as well.
I preordered it a month ago...
It should arrive any day now
Remind me to never preorder konami products
"Dark Magician, Eldlich the Golden Lord, Sparkman, Swords of Revealing Light and Magic Cylinder" is basically like introducing a lineup of mercenaries and it's four kids and one musclebound bodybuilder.
The marketing it clearly going for something that is trying to appeal to everybody which as we should all know means it appeals to nobody. It's got the nostalgiabait across multiple eras, it's got the weird gimmick tech cards that some rogue players might want (like Coral Dragon) and it's got actual competitive staples, but that means it doesn't really work for anyone. If I were to guess, the decks will be ones where they introduce mechanics one at a time but don't have any cohesion to them, a result of them not working backwards from "What's a deck that could teach a bunch of mechanics?" and filling out the ones that aren't taught by the deck after building a deck skeleton that somewhat represents the actual game.
It's like how starter decks would include weird cards like Lucky Iron Axe just because "it teaches you how to use an equip spell" versus an equip that might teach more than "just" about equip spells, such as, I dunno, Psychic Blade - yeah it's functionally not that different but it teaches "LP are a resource, don't be afraid to lose them for advantage" in addition to teaching equip spells. They've always been bad at constructing Starter Decks, to be honest, just saying, "Here's 40 cards that teaches all the mechanics" rather than actively curating each card to be AS informative about the game as possible.
Either Konami has completely given up on getting new players in, thinks the way we play the game is an unintended mistake and that normal Sparkman punch over a facedown is how the game is intended to play, or is embarrassed to show potential new players how the game is actually played. None of these excuses are good.
They havent given up because theyve brought up the issue of no new players at meetings, its just baffelinf that they refuse to market yugioh as anything but normal summon beat over a flip
It's because trying to get into ygo now is just too damn expensive. Even the cheapest competitive deck will cost 200 to 400 dollars minimum if you're wanting to win.
@@marcusking332 nah dude u can get tons of decls for cheap, the best deck rn is fire king, and its more budgety builds are less than £100 buckaroonies
@@literallygrass1328 but if you want competitive Fire King, then you need snake eyes engine, + hand traps, + revamping the extra deck. Which would make the price jump to around 200 to 400 USD.
@@marcusking332 what are you talking about every handtrap is cheap as hell now
The problem is less with the set and more with the state of the game nowadays. It's been talked about to death by now, but the game is too complicated to easily introduce new players and prepare them for all the lockdown OTK floodgate BS that meta decks focus on.
just getting back into yugioh (i barely even remember playing as a kid i mostly just liked the cards) and i wasn't even interested in playing until i found out about goat format. i seriously think that era of the game is the level of complexity, size of cardpool etc that lends itself to a really fun, accessible game that still leaves room for some level of strategy and customization
It's weird. But. It'll be funny if this is where Magicians' Souls gets an accessible reprint
This set feels like they said what if we had zeus vs mannadium syncho boss then read a rule book from 2008 to bulid the decks
I have been saying on every fb post. It is been months, years! Konami needs to fire these employees behind products like this and call in some competent people in the industry. Maybe let new names to take over the product design.
It is possible to make money and make yugioh great. But for that to happen things must change. After a year of flukes this set and Millenia will be stuck on the shelves too. At this point wan can see crystal clear Konami doesn't have the slight ideia of what they are supposed to do. They have become the UDE itself.
Definitely a missed opportunity for a Dark Magician XYZ deck vs Blue-Eyes Synchro deck.
Wasn't there an OCG exclusive Dark Magician Girl XYZ monster that was never released in the TCG?
A common reprint of Sage with Eyes of Blue would have been nice too.
Still I'll buy it for the Zeus if he's actually in the stupid thing and not just a cameo on the boxart.
Yeah Magi Magi Girl is the xyz. It'll never see tcg because the artist has a no change clause on it and theres the traditional pentagram
Magi Magi Magician Girl will likely never come out since it was Kazuki Takahashi’s work and he didn’t want to censor it. Not in a product like this anyway. It’s been a while but hopefully one day in a lost art promo
Agreed which makes it weirder because theres a Dark Magician and Blue-Eyes structure deck thats exclusive to China(I think? its in english but still only released in asian markets) out now, why isn't that made for this?
@@leastvieweverreally that's the fucking ancient excuse for not importing the card
lost arts make this excuse pathetic, print her komoney
The card will
Never be legal here cause censorship sucks
This product is just $20 Zeus with extra bulk.
exactly 20 buck is the price for zeus, the box price is 20 bucks XD then is a good deal
I was thinking of getting the 2 player starter deck as a way to play NON-competitive yugioh with friends between Magic games. I have no desire to play yugioh at a competitive or local level so I felt this product was effective at that. Pull out the decks, play, and then go do what ever else. The actual game of yugioh is way too cancerous to learn or want to play as New player.
i play both magic and yugi, and maybe for you is cancerous, well for aloot of magic players feel the same way and i dont understand why the feel that way, but is not true almost not on like the last year, when we have the most balance era, when you undestand yugi and belive me its not hard, my cousin is 15 years old and he play on competitive level and he start to play 5 months ago tomorrow he go to the WCQ, and local level ussualy are far down of WCQ depend on locals,
The product would have to print all the adventure package and powerspells as a whole to make new ppl to actually enjoy slamming the cards on the table. That is what attracts new players. Simple and rewarding card effects. Not searching 2948473839 times per turn.
I claim a powerful and cheap 2-player set won't work like the Zeus one.
Yeah but your point is counter productive because the player this product is designed for will then go into locals with the two decks mixed together and then realize they spent their money on wasted cardboard as the rest of the locals is searching 2948473839 times a turn with a deck thats not even meta.
and even if the deck is at the power level the starter decks will likely scare new players away before even entering an local.
@@unamusedrowlett6303 O think a board breaker going second structure deck with DRNM, L. Storm, Kaiju/Ra/LaGo and high utility cards like Pankratops, pots and Fenrir is enuff of a introduction. Nonus points if you have good generic power engines. It would be powerfuk yet simple.
This has to be some morbid joke on us I swear. No way Konami thought these decks were competent after this year making awesome structure decks
its not, they sell you zeus with a bunch of cards. thats all, the set is zeus
Still waiting full card list to see if I buy it or not
Just buy singles bro you save more then buying one off this
Honestly Speed Duel coming out with a 5Ds and eventually work towards sets around later arcs would be a nice way to ease players up into modern Yu-Gi-Oh. It would take time and product, but it would be a solid series of kits a store owner could keep to use as an educational piece for new players.
Honestly they should’ve did two player starter decks that teaches players the basics of the game and also has a bit of nostalgia like say two decks that teach all summoning mechanics or crossover decks like armed dragons vs Sharks or something.
That is true but there aren't that many decks that do use all the mechanics. There are a handful from Pendulum era but if you say, "Feel free to ignore Pend and probably also Ritual" you do get a slightly larger pool (Cyberse wouldn't be a BAD deck to teach all the mechanics with).
I think that perhaps something like what Bushiroad tends to do would be more efficient - multiple decks that are printed extremely cheap (less fancy box, usually don't have a play mat, but they can be bought for under $5 so that's entirely justified). There wouldn't be a need to find some square peg for a round hole and say "What deck uses all the mechanics" but instead find simple decks that teach each mechanic individually and let people pick the one that stands out. It also avoids the implication that you need to know every rule and feature of the game right off the bat, instead saying, "So you know how to Xyz Summon, that's good enough if you're using an Xyz deck."
@@Zetact_ So basically something like the Pokémon tcg Battle academy set?
close, we still dont know wich card have the set, but zeus is a powerfull card, the set is more for player already play cause a single zeus cost 20 buck and the set cost 20 bucks, i preorder one box, plus one visas starfrost and i wish the set bring almost 1 visas samsara, if have visas proably i will buy 2 sets XD, @@kish45
OMG AN ARMED DRAGON DECK AND A SHARK DECK. I would actually throw my money at that shit 😂😂
Runic Dark Magician vs Bystial Blue-Eyes. You can get all forms of extra deck summoning (except pend) and have an actual structure, as well as being nostalgia bait.
Man konami has such a perfect time to give the Visas Starfrost archtype to new players (as a starter set).
We currently have Link, xyz, fusion, synchro.
Link Scareclaw is the easiest deck that shows you how to link and special summon monsters from the hand.
XYZ Kashtira shows the player about banishing its or his/her oppenents cards to gain advantage.
Synchro Mannadium shows the player about destroying your own cards to go into a synchro deck combo.
Fusion tearlament shows the player a about fusion summoning from the graveyard and about milling cards.
This is such a perfect archtype to give new players to learn. Its hard but its viable in competitive and casual play.
The best part? You can mix the decks, love tear kash? Go for it, synchro scareclaw? Why not? Wanna call yourself Visas Chadfrost? Run all 4 of them in a deck.
We just lack ritual and pendelum visas archtype to complete the set.
Konami can make good products if they try.
vedas karanta is a psude pendulum XD i love visas is the reason why im back to yugi, buut its not novice friendly, also yes is one of the best inversion for new players, if the set have visas samsara, starfrsot, riumheart and zeus, and some sup for visas, will be great for start a mannadium-scarclaw-kash deck, or nearly any of the archeyps from visas
just zeus is 20 buck, same price as the box
even then ritual and pendulum is the niche out of the mechanic so its fine to sideline a rare general mechanic and functionally deck specific one
While I can understand people being a bit tired of DM/BE (I myself am), it would make sense to turn them into beginner friendly decks to get some new players in. Also DM is more controlly and BE is more aggressive, so it would show the variety in strategy.
I was hoping it would have been like a Runic Dark Magician vs. Bystial Blue-Eye. Probably the best middle ground Konomi could ask for, targeting most types of players.
because they are bad archetypes and are not friendly at all, brick eyes and DM u need to know how to play yugi first for both be some kind of playeble, skystriker, traptrix,are good deck for beggineirs, are easy to undestand easy combos and are some kind of mid tier
@@jorgecarvajal5385 I mean Konami could turn them into beginner friendly decks.
ohhh yeah that wil be neat, bring back the 2 original starter set but with improve and support good idea, well for matter of fact the reprint with kaiba, joy and yugi deck come this year legendary duel pack 2, havea reprint this year, i wish a structure deck of chaos max XD, @@dudono1744
Just make a Starter deck for an engine of Search->Special->XYZ or Synchro into Boss with some Staples like effect veiler and spell traps (Infinite Imperm). For instance, StellarKnight archetype have "IF Summoned, do...". It's not even that hard Konami 😅
I fully agree with your take a friend of mine says the sets good because it’ll introduce players to the game, I say it’s shit because it doesn’t properly express how the game actually plays.
Like imagine getting this set and you’re around 12-15 playing it with a friend frequently then going to a local card shop to play some yugioh, I guarantee they’ll leave that store never wanting to touch the game again.
New name drop: CRAIGERY FEEGANKNIGHT is cannon now.
This product attempts to strike a delicate balance between including cards that are either
nostalgic to those who may have not have touched anything having to do with Yugioh
outside a few episodes of the anime or may not have even been alive when they were first printed,
and cards that they can expect to see in some capacity that have been popular in recent years.
It aims to walk prospective players through the basics using cards from different eras of the game
at a speed similar to an episode of the show through a scripted duel.
So of course this is going to be a shock to some members of the player base who think its crazy
for Konami to mix callbacks to the early years of the game with cards that see play in tiered strategies.
I think I'm in the minority, but I actually think the decks might be fun to play. Sure they in don't represent a consistent modern yugioh deck. The game play is probably going to reflect 2006 yugioh and probably will not be a good deck by those standard. But I think you could find lots of small incidental combos in them.
The biggest issue is that modern yugioh is completely unapproachable. When I teach yugioh I start people with HAT format decks, because at least they are slow enough that someone isn't going to go full combo on the first turn and negate all your actions, but they are close enough to modern yugioh. I personally think some version of their archetype pure rivalry decks could be a good starter product. Heck if they made a product in which you could randomly get one of those decks I be vets would be willing smash two together now and again.
For some reason, the Pokemon music in the background of a Yugioh rant video is hilarious to me.
Nothing but facts, BEWD can do every extra deck mechanic, same with DM (although pendulum kinda falls short but they can include some generic stuff to pump out monsters)
If Konami had made this like Idfk a draft set that would have made this set actually somewhat good as a product
I don’t know why they don’t just take two of the easiest to learn decks that Counter act eachother well in the meta or rogue tier, build them at their max, and Chuck them into that Two Player Starter Set.
a produc is good, not for what was originaly intended but nearly all boxes will be pruchusde just for zeus, is basicly the price for zeus 20 buck plus a bunch of cards
My Brother, Kyle stole a Duel on Master Duel by top Deck Magic Cylinder. Turn one was a brick so he Set one then Passed. His opponent built up his ultimate Utopia OTK monster, attacked my Brother for Game. In response, Kyle chained Magic Cylinder and made his opponent OTK himself. Just to be extra salty, the guy reported my brother for cheating. Little did they know that we were streaming on twitch at the time and we're able to appeal by sending the Admins the video of what happened.
Tenyi vs. Sharks (minus Kragen because you don't want to tempt people with floodgates right off the bat) would have been a better duo of decks that aren't super relevant, but at least show off the various mechanics. Tenyi shows off links and grave/banish based shenanigans and Sharks is xyz plays and how you combo using main deck monsters to get into a spread of ED monsters.
ignoring the 2 non-effect monsters, sword, cylinder and eld lich are 3 very different kinds of effects you have to learn to deal with (backrow that stalls you, battle traps, graveyard/hand effects). So as a tool to teach new players about them they may be fine, as long as the decks also contain some kind of counter to them.
It's investing in new players while not investing in new players. You sell them this then they will have to go and buy literary any other actual deck.
Or they will leave and make a video about how Yugioh is dead because Nirvana High Paladin or Endymion.
fusions, synchro, xyz... even link, those aren't complicated to explain but don't get me started with pendulums... even konami seems to regret inventing those cards.
Well, the cyber dragon let's me hope we get some reprints of both his Xyz Monster, but somehow I doubt that.
And I also think they designed this product with this thought in mind. They need to put ins some card everybody knows like Dark Magician and Cyber Dragon, but you also need stables and meta relevant cards like Zeus and last but not least a bunch of filler like the dungeon dice episodes back in the day. Still waiting for their official unboxings coming next week.
i wonder if that starter deck is going to have other random cards like small world, pendalum or link monsters lol.
They should [just] retrain the classic SORL and MC.
Anyone in the comments deluding themselves that this is a cohesive and effective introduction to yugioh needs to rethink some shit fr.
Plot twist: its gonna have maxx c to create copium
the biggest problem yugioh has for new players in my opinion is how walled off each archetype is
how is anyone supposed to teach new players a game properly where each deck is practically it's own mini game?
my only possible solution to yugioh's new player problem is to have specialized new player archetypes for starter decks with extremely simple mechanics and engines, while maybe throwing in a playset of cheap but strong staples so they can move on to more complex archetypes without feeling like they wasted money on a starter set
well les try to change your point, first best way to teach new player about the basic its on demo or buying a speed duel box specially if they never touch yugi on their life or are just anime enjoyers, if the player is a novice and have some experience 2 of the best deck for teach early level and is cheap traptrix and skystriker both deck are like 20 buck max maybe 50 with stap and the satples are good for nearly all deck(facts for my 3 meta deck y just buy sleeve on the same color and share the staples), and for a little more advance player salamangraze, its just not possiblt a novice deck for being friendly and competitve it just not posible cause the engine on meta deck are complex, are not hard but complex some cards can make 3 or 4 effects on differents point, some cards need to a requirement for active, and aloot of things are on meta modern
> speed duels are a pretty great way to play the game in a slower [...] format
probably the BEST quote someone who doesn't know yugioh would still understand fundameltally, but end up with even more questions. (why are speed duels slower? shouldn't it be the other way around)
I think "speed duel" refers to a duel where a turn doesn't take half an hour with 20 summons.
They coulda done a yugi/kaiba 25th anniversary starter deck set. Reload the OG starters and idk maybe celebrate the game while getting new people in? Idk seems so fuckin obvious.
All tutorials for new players are in master duel already . Just get the AA Zeus reprint cheap and call it a day
is the full cardlist out? last i checked, 5 cards(15 if they slot 3 of each) doesn't make a full deck.
I just wonder what Xyz monsters they'll include to make Zeus.
Konami trying to bait yugioh boomers back to the game.
Im way out of the loop with whats even remotely competitive now, but couldnt they just ya know re-do the Dinosmashers structure deck and Rokket structure adding in a few more of the newer cards for the deck then you have two decent decks that can compete against each other in a more modern sense that you can probably take to locals and not just get completely destroyed with?
If they want to tie into anime as well could have just done modern Blue Eyes and Dark Magician even and would be better then this
I think it's wrong to look at the 2 player deck through the lens of competitive viability. I feel like most people don't play competitive, especially new players that might be coming in. Depending on the deck list, this could set someone up nicely whom may want to get into comp. Eldlich and Zeus are gonna be great! It clealry show's off XYZ and Synchro summoning, if if also has Links, it'll do more then enough to show off the mechanics. The next step is teaching people proper chaining and for all we know, it does that.
Just saying, if someone whom has been contemplation getting into the game saw this, I don't think they'd be dismayed.
Otherwise, I completely agree with the statement's on the DM and BEs decks. Hugely missed opportunities with the amount of support those decks have. I saw TeamSamurai pulled a Jet Dragon from the extender pack, and that's great and all, how does someone come by more of those extender packs or are they only available through the deck. Huge L on that front.
I do agree that its not meant to be a competitive product, I didn't make that clear enough in the video. And I do agree not everyone will go to the meta by and large. Hell, for the first 8 or so years I played it was almost entirely myself and 5 friends meeting up and dueling at someone's house, never even went to a locals. And I'm sure if you bought this and learned the game you'd probably have fun with it. My issue is if you enjoy the one for one trades style of yugioh that this will show (admittedly I'm assuming here but I don't think I'm out of line doing that) then you're not going to find that same game outside of this.
I fully agree yugioh needs something like this in concept; simpler decks that teach the basics and show you a summoning mechanic. that's fantastic and I support that! But this products purpose is twofold; learn the game, and get playing it. and there are no other products yugioh has that offer this slow style of play, not currently. And I'd imagine if you bought this and then saw the cards from a core set or a structure deck you'd feel overwhelmed. and if the starter deck leaves you feeling overwhelmed when looking at all the other product they're selling I feel its a bad product.
Its not that it isn't "good" enough to win with, its that its once again selling a version of the game konami hasn't made in decades, and I'm pretty sure if you want to know how a casual/newer player will feel about this you can check out Rarans video on Master Duel.
Gonna disagree with you here. I think a pair of decks with a scripted duel that covers all of the main mechanics is a fantastic idea.
You can't expect people to learn competitive play before they learn the basic rules.
You're right, a scripted duel is a great way to get some people a bit familiar with the rules and mechanics. A mutt deck from 2005 is not the way to do that. If there is virtually no synergy between the cards in the deck, you are not playing Yugioh at that point. I don't think most people were crying because it isn't meta, or doesn't have better meta cards, but that it doesn't have a good cohesion of ideas in the deck. Eldlich doesn't work with either Sparkman or DM, and both Magical Cylinders and Swords of Revealing Light are far too slow for even a casual locals event, leaving the new player to learn things that are no longer true about the game.
A lie is being sold, and if anyone buys into it, that is far more people than it should ever have been
technically, a competent Dark Magician deck and a competent Hero deck could be in there, with 3 extra cards being Eldlich that noonelikes 'cause it's dogshit, swords of revealing light that noone plays 'cause it's just not goodenough to warrant a place in a deck, and Magic Cylinder that could technically steam a duel, so it can be run as a meme card in many decks.
Is it worth buying to sell some of those cards tho?
I’d like something like this if it was made better. It’d be nice to play a simple game of Yugioh with friends who don’t really play, however I already have GOAT decks made for this.
You people have a problem with this product and claim it "doesn't resemble Yu-Gi-Oh!" because the mangled necromanced corpse that is current Yu-Gi-Oh! no longer resembles Yu-Gi-Oh! and hasn't in about a decade.
I read through their list the other day and had the same thought: why in the world did they put in goody cards like DM and Swords. 😷😅
I guess they're gonna try to have a full old school deck, introducing new and returning players to simple new mechanics, and the second one would be a new one with more advanced plays..
I mean, I hope
speed duel box are for you old decks with some reprints or new cards, i can recomend you the shadow academy speed duel box 8 decks with some iconic cards in less than 30 bucks, that the box i use for teach new players on demos, or traptrix deck is good for learn new sum mechanics,
Dudes got a point
It's not a competitive product. Yeah, it sucks and it's going to eventually screw over the casual players, but not everyone plays competitive and apparently Konami doesn't think everyone wants to. This disconnect that hardcore players have is why people get so upset at Maxx C being in Master Duel. Konami needs to satisfy completive and casual players alike.
It doesn't need to be competitive decks, but it needs to be functionnal decks. If 90% of your opening hands die to Cyber Dragon + MST, you probably won't have fun playing against anyone who plays something decent.
The decks might turn out to be functionnal, but seing Sparkman when neither deck is about fusions is concerning.
Yeah it sucks and it's dumb but Konami have always been like that. There's probably a massive player base that still uses Swords of Revealing Light they're catering to.@@dudono1744
Im just buying a few to stock up on Zeus lol. The rest so far, is bulk and for nostalgia. It sells so theyll sell it. No use complaining on things, very rare that big Co. listens. On anything.
Pretty sure this is made for kids to play on the playground. Directly targeting kids with big and cool monsters, a comic book, and having 2 decks for friends. It's just like the older starter decks, but packaged together. It sucks that there isn't an actual cartoon to show off the monsters to kids like before, that was half of the appeal.
Also the things you menated kinda exist. They are called Structure Decks. There are Starter decks (for literal babies to learn this game has big dragons) and there are Structure Decks (for people who want to play with a simple good theme deck.) This is just following the trend, but now you get both starter decks together.
Little Timmy who picks this or rather mom buys this for him is unlikely to have a good time when he goes to play with someone older than 10 years old and stomps his set pass deck.
@@elin111 This is simply not the case. I have no idea what your experience is with locals, but people usually aren't pricks to children wanting to learn more about the game. Also be real, kids have fun just playing the game
I just got back into yugioh after 15+ years and I agree that starter set is so random. Idk how you pull off any cool combos. The set should’ve been 2 play styles: fusion vs synchro. Or like you said, character decks from the different shows. Idk how you can drop the ball on a product like this in 2024. If I was new to the game, got that set and then watched the show after, I’d feel ripped off and ask why tf dark magician and spark man are in the same deck
my expectations were set from the fact to have a competive new player 2 deck set, it would have to print so much thats its a garateed deck building staples set, we all know konami was not going to do that. don't know about magic but only pokemon seems to have good new player decks as their standard is not completely broken that a lower powered deck could capture the core of comp pokemon
on magic is a nightmare, i play yugi and magic, but magics is alooot more expensive than yugi, just for example this box with almost 1 good card is zeus, zeus price is 20 buck, the box cost 20 bucks, but in magic a starter deck cost 20 buck for normal and 40 or more for commander and u still need aloot more cards some card can cost 200 buck each.
Vanguard did have a good track record of Starter Decks... until the recent Starter Decks got revealed on their end.
@@jorgecarvajal5385 is it underpowered decks or bad starter decks. pokemon has L2 decks which technically can be upgraded but its not generally reconmended by players or pokemon company but they are good starter decks , its just the decks are lower power compared to l3 decks
That's more like a pile of cards if you're playing Rush Duel format with normal cards.....I guess to be honest not even there...
Its not the produkt we need its the product we deserv
Did ChatGPT build this starter deck set? 😂
Looks like i need to wait a little bit more longer for Konami to get their act together. Until then, ill be playing MTG.
Heyy don't make fun of my Sparkman mannidium beat down deck 😂
I mean manadium cares about light monsters and prefer even levels, right ? There sure are better monsters than Sparkman to show "putting a seemingly random ass card in your deck", but that's a thing to show.
3:00 nah it’s fair to complain about the set list, since it’s misleading to new players how fast or complicated the game is
I disagree. This deck isn't supposed to teach you how to play meta or how to play advanced strategies. It is meant to teach the basics of the basics. Judging from the card pool shown it teaches the basics of monsters, effects, effect interactions , synchro summoning and tuning, xyz summoning, spell and trap resolution and many other mechanics necessary to progress into the game. You are looking at it from the perspective of somebody who already knows how to play the game rather than a complete newcommer. Using the effect of DMG to teach players how cards in the grave can boost the ones on your field for example is an excellent teaching tool. Using sparkman as an example of an archtype monster being used outside of it's archtype for some purpose (likely as a generic level 4 in this case) is also perfectly fine. Teaching basics of traps with magic cylinder is great. Teaching turn based perma-spells with swords is great. This deck isn't meant to make you competitive or allow you to "win games". It's meant to teach you how the game works from the ground up basics to get you interested in the mechanics and give you an entry point to the game. It's a starter deck, not a structure deck. Giving a combo turbo deck with lots of combos and whatnot to a newcommer will just make them feel overwhelmed and lose interest in the game or missunderstand how the mechanics really work. You say that the game you'll play with these decks isn't yugioh, but that's not true. You need to know all of these mechanics properly before you can even begin to use other decks. These ones are great for teaching just that. This product is not for you.
Respectfully I think there's a middle ground that's too often ignored. I know this product isn't for me, I don't care that its not tippy top meta and it shouldn't be. It IS meant to teach the game, but there's no way we're still pretending the only way to teach a player that trap cards have to be set first before you can use them is to give them magic cylinder. Like are new players incapable of understanding fiendish chain or a solemn? Hell if you wanna keep it 2002 central give them torrential.
But how is making this more like 2010 yugioh instead of 2002 yugioh a bad idea? If you make this around an older archetype like blackwing or tellars as I've mentioned in another comment, hell even a simple hero deck would be better. Because even if they take this and love it, what product do they go to after it? theres just speed duel, and that uses 3 columns and with the skill cards is different. Not to mention at some point if you're playing yugioh youre going to see newer decks and cards. And again, they don't need to see full rescue ace combo, but there are more cards to learn the basics with than vanilla monsters.
@@YGOStratz Yes, they are incapable of understand fiendish or solemn because they have no clue what a trap card even is, let alone a continuous one or one that can miss timing.
That's the thing though. It's not about teaching them cards it's about teaching them mechanics. An effect like "increase this monsters ATK by 300 for every DM in your grave" is way easier to understand and mechanically accept to a new player than any of the blackwing combos that have paragraphs of text. They need to be eased into the game. They don't even know what ATK means. Many of these new players are children who want to start playing but get overwhelemed by the game very quickly. I was one of them and only learned the game properly by playing the gba games and working my way up during the pendulum era.
Once you learn these cards and effects given in these decks you'll be able to pick up and learn any other deck way easier than if you had learned just one deck and it's combos first. It's a jack of all trades learning experience to get you accustomed to the game and help guide you along in baby steps. Like a crash course on mechanics. You pick up a structure deck after this, like the crystal beast one, or the spirit charmers one that both have new mechanics to learn, figure out those cards step by step, experiment, build your own deck, try out new things etc.
You wouldn't start of teaching somebody math by giving them integrals or even 34141324 + 1423123123. You teach them 2+2 first. Sure the numbers are smaller and rarely anyone does such simple calculations in serious math (or at all), but it is a necessary step in order to understand addition so that you can start somewhere. As somebody who taught children math at some point I can tell you that it's so easy to forget how people new to something don't understand things that have become natural to us long time players to the point we don't even think about them.
I'm sure Konami did a case study with non tcg players when they designed this deck and came to this conclusion. As much as we like to hate on them they do still want the playerbase to increase and make sure to put effort into things like this.
We all started with vanilla monsters. They are the fundamental of the game. The core mechanic of this game still is summon big monster, attack, decrease opponents life points. More complex ideas should be learned later. I still see magic cylinder at locals sometimes. People still like to make crazy decks with old school cards and make them viable in some cases.
Another thing is that this set is timeless. If you learn 2010 blackwings you don't really get anything that will help you in 2023 either and will have a much harder time grasping the core concepts while doing so. On the other hand, if you learn these generic decks, whose mechanics are timeless, you will gain a basic understanding of the game necessary to advance further and will have a much easier time learning new cards. This set will be just as useful in 10 years as it is today (unless some weird new master rule change occurs).
You mention Sparkman being used simply because it's a Level 4, but I fell like it would be better to put something that either has some protection (i.e. can't be destroyed by battle) or special summon potential to actually help with Synchro/Xyz summoning. This would also be better at teaching the idea of putting a card unrelated to your archetype in your deck because it's helpful.
Konami could also have made new cards/archetypes made specifically for these starters deck with simple but effective effects and some combo potential (nothing crazy, just being able to put 1 Synchro or Xyz out turn 1 with most hands and maybe 2 with great hands). For example, an effect like "Banish 1 Warrior monster from your GY and target 1 card your opponent controls; destroy that target, and if you do, inflict 500 damage to your opponent" is simple while being really good at the same time (because of no once per turn) and teaching that stuff in GY can be used, that targeting is a thing and that you can dodge targeting effects. (you show the last one with the comic where the opponent responds by blowing their own card up (and gain some advantage in the process) to avoid the damage)
@@dudono1744 Sparkman may be used in a different way too. Like a generic light warrior level 4 in some context. Not sure until it gets released, but his stats make him as generic as it gets when it comes to vanilla monsters.
Making an archtype for the sole purpose of this would be fun, but kinda redundant since there already are enough simple cards to make decks like these out there. While those effects you mentioned are good for learning, they are still more advanced compared to the very basics. What a completely new player has to learn first are phases, card types, when what card type can be used in what way, and summoning mechanics. Also some very basic effects and chains. That's really all that needs to be covered in these starter sets to begin with. They are meant to be as newbie friendly as possible after all.
People can then use speed duel cards to add to these decks, learn new things and progress from there as well. Speed duel cards are all legal in tcg so buying them is a great way to get a small collection going for learning purposes and keep going from there. "Sparkman is a cool looking monster. Maybe I can buy another thing that has him and hero cards like him in it. Oh look at that, midterm paradox and duel academy boxes come with a lot of newbie friendly hero cards I can use to build up my own deck and learn further? Sign me up!"
Most people who already play for a long time got disappointed when they saw the cards since they expected this to be some reprint opportunity when it was never meant to be one. That's why people are really mad. They don't care about the new player experience which is the main focus of this set. The focus of this set are likely children and teens looking to start playing. Konami knows most of us grumpy old players already seeth and breath chains and timings and whatnot.
@@shadedusk7831 Well the starter deck should also show more advanced stuff (I hope Eldlich is supposed to be that) because it shouldn't only teach the very basics but also what yugioh is about. That's also why it should feature an archetype based engine (not necesserally super good), to show that archetypes exist. If you see Sparkman and don't know archetypes exist, it wouldn't be obvious that there are other HERO monsters and that combining them is actually a good idea. I assume that since we see DM, we'll see some DM support to show the archetype thing, even though it's not the best since it's not your usual archetype in terms of wording ("Dark Magician or a monster that mentions it" vs "a HERO monster")
They just need to stop making products to introduce players to the game, if they are bad with intro decks just stop making them 😂
I clicked because of Zeus, ok ? I admit.
Who wants to bet you also are expected to buy 3 copies of this crap because of course
I'm very interested into seeing how dog shit these decks are gonna be, which means yes I'm gonna buy this bullshit product. But that got me thinking, if anyone wants to answer...
Aside from Blue Eyes and Dark Magician, what decks are either iconic or "simple" enough to get into modern yugioh? And simple as in sort of like a combo/control hybrid that doesn't overload you with how you should play your deck. I would say Nekroz or ABC since they're relatively simple enough to grasp and play but I'd love to hear other suggestions
I think you missed the point of the deck. It's supposed to be an introduction deck. Teach you the mechanics of the game in an easy to go way. The next step would be an extra structure deck. Then maybe 3 structure decks and then whatever deck you want.
It's a starting point that won't over through you.
I have friends who started the game but struggled with the beginning.
The decks don’t do that tho. Everyone understands the point of it but the execution seems whack as hell.
@@mezla_ have you played/seen the "leaner" deck they give to judges/OTS shops? It's better then that and has more competitive viable cards. (Like Zeus). I think it does fine
When does this come out?
January 26th! So in like 2ish weeks
No,not the way to attract new players into the game, they could've done this way much better
Y'know, Konami could always find a way to make both nostalgia bait and meta powerful staples together. A good example would be like Red Eyes Dark Dragoon.
Maybe Konami should make like, a Swords of Revealing Light retrain but with the same effect as Mystic Mine, but a hard once per Duel and after the effect resolves, your hand and field get banished face-down and you can't negate this effect.
We should give Konami a chance. This might be good they might make it work....
Maybe
It has an scripted duel to retrace all the pre made steps. Outside of that, the deck may be unplayable
It’s a STARTER deck it’s not suppose to be good it’s suppose to be a STARTER
People find yugioh difficult to understand, so being able to learn the mechanics
This gives people a way in, if you want “a way into the current game” we aren’t going to get ANYWHERE
This is like complaining about
The DM vs BE WOULDNT TEACH THEM ALL THE GAME MECHANICS, you are not “learning the actual game” by playing 1 synchro deck or 1 xyz deck
How are they going to learn pendulum? Or link? Or fusion
This is meant to be a starting point for players NOT A LAUNCHING PAD INTO THE META
This is like getting your first car, you aren’t going to get a 200,000 Ferrari and immediately tear up the roadways and only knowing gas means go and brake means stop
There are other things you have to learn at the BEGINNING which it why it’s a STARTER
@@TuckNeal I get its a starter deck but surely we can agree there's an inbetween of modern yugioh and this? To use your own example: No, your first car won't be a $200,000 Ferrari, but it also shouldn't be a Ford Model T from the 1920's.
When I last got someone into this game I gave them a tellarknight deck, because it taught them xyz summoning and they got to play a deck with an ACTUAL strategy, get deneb, cycle altairs, and it was simple. coincidentally, it was also way easier to grasp the cards he was facing when they looked and functioned more like the cards he was playing and not vanilla monsters.
Understanding monsters can attack and trap cards have to be set isnt some vast struggle that people cant wrap their heads around, you can teach that aspect of the game with sparkman and magic cylinder as well as you can with deneb and fiendish chain. I don't care if this product is "meta" or not, I care that it can get players into the game. and if you buy this, get hyped on vanilla beat down, then pick up some phantom nightmare (you know, the core set dropping ONE WEEK after this) you arent getting the same type of game.
Unless i missed it in the video, yes i would completely agree with mid level decks between the start of DM to now, it just seemed like you were mad we werent getting meta level decks in full
Example say Blackwings, you can synchro, xyz, and link summon with them, its not an overly complicated over the top deck
The issue is trying to introduce all the new mechanics into the game and everything while trying to find a deck that can do it all is difficult, like if you picked blue-eyes and dark magician you are covering most but even having those decks wont be comparable to what PHNI is bringing
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trying to appeal to the casuals and the competitors has always been an issue with YGO. I knew someone that wanted to get into the game and I loaned them a decklist similar to Jarel Winston 2012 exodia deck to teach them about timing, chainlinks, etc. they moved on to Constellar played that for a while then moved to ritual beast
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@@TuckNeal For sure! Maybe I should've been more clear in the video but I dont expect the world from this, and honestly its not meant for me. But after the Raran debacle where he made it clear Master Duel taught a version of this game that isn't played, I cant see this doing any better.
And I agree that DM/Blue-eyes are not enough in the current meta, but if you can understand sage with the eyes of blue and magicians rod, youre way closer to modern yugioh than the same 2002 nostalgia cards weve been getting for 20 years.
Also funny you mention blackwing because thats what I played when teaching my friend. Him on tellars, me on blackwing and I only used synchro. so he could learn xyz, watch me synchro, and then we swapped till he knew both. I dont think there really is a deck to teach all and tbh thats not worth it, I say one step at a time.
i buy the box for zeus, the box is on the same price as zeus + one visa for manadium + a buch of cards XD
to get new players to join in and understand the game this is actually extremely ideal, just because it's entirety isn't money cards doesn't make it worth crying over, it actually makes you one of the biggest cheapskates on the planet
Nah. It's not about money cards. The issue is that the promoted cards have near 0 synergy with each other.
They could almost literally have put any 2 structure/starter decks from the past several years in the box together and it would make more sense than what we're currently seeing.
As many have said already, they could have just made a DM vs Blue eyes set and had a product that made more sense and structure than... what we're seein.
@@vla1ne and how would that teach the new players all the mechanics of the game. that's where you're stuck thinking like meta sheep and not considering the new upcoming player base.
@@Cardlimits except DM and blue eyes have gotten support from ample eras in game, meaning they cover card design from da 1 to modern. Equip spells, continuous, field spells, traps, fusion, synchro, xyz, ritual, link, lingering effects, chain links, floodgates, missavle vs unmissable vs mandatory effects, timing, protect the castle, stun, hyper offense, name a playstyle and DM or Blue eyes likely has a build for it. A competent 2 player set could easily cover them all within reason, and if not, just make another set using some other protag decks to fill in the gaps.
Side note, DM and Blue eyes aren't even remotely meta, they're just competent enough decks that would help you learn the basics. What are you even on about with that?
@@vla1ne so again you talk about meta and not about how newcomers can learn the game. see how much of a selfish sheep you're acting
@@Cardlimits did you ignore the entire first paragraph? I clearly explained that the decks teach the long list of functions that I mentioned, and more besides would you like to make an actual point sir?
Can we stop shilling for brick eyes and useless magician? Their combos are waaay too convoluted for the begginers. Do I need i remind people that new players dont even know what the stars on top of the card mean??
exactly, im judge and im do some demos for new player, the best way to teach new players is speed duel box, the decks are simple not much convuleted mechanic maybe 4 card combo at max, the card text is short and mostly easy to undestand, plus have some extra deck simple mechanic like fusions, one of the best is shadow academy,
for a novice dark magician can be hard, dark magician is more for someone who now the mechanics but still new at the game, and brick eyes well is brick eyes, can be fun bring chaos max but thats all
So what would you suggest? Give them some dumb meta deck? A lot of those are not only more complicated but also have the disadvantage of being BAD at teaching people how to play because they require zero skill to use. There's no learning curve because as soon as you play a single card they're on auto pilot. The only people that benefit from something like that are meta players looking to get meta cards for cheap. If you're only looking to break the game then the cards that do that for you should cost more. You should have to pay more for Zeus and you should have to pay more for manadium, visas starfrost, and all these stupidly broken 6-10 deck lore mega types with interchangeable cards because they're objectively broken and unfair.
@@jorgecarvajal5385 if you think dark magician is a hard deck to learn, then i think you need to quit your job.
@@dustinvance243 Give them straightforward decks that are quite consistent. No need for meta decks.
@@dudono1744 fair. I just felt like telling this guy off because i get the distinct impression that he's a meta shill that wanted this product to be broken meta garbagio just so he can get more meta decks more easily. Which seems to be the consensus among the people that were talking about it.
OoooooooooooooooF
:)
I think it's a fine product. You can buy it and learn to play the most basic, playground yugioh. I agree that speed duel is better, but this is meant to be an intro to modern. Speed duel is it's own thing and treated as such.
I agree that this product could be much, much, better.
Wtf lmao
First
This is the biggest piece of Dog pop