There is No Such Thing as a Perfect Game
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- čas přidán 30. 08. 2022
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Baseball (and society at large, for that matter) should not box you in for determining what perfection is.
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9 straight immaculate innings in one game by one pitcher
9 innings of 3 pitches each, according to Maddux
If someone threw a 27 pitch perfect game that would be impressive by the pitcher, but the hitters on the other team should all be benched if they couldnt bother to take 1 singular pitch
@@thelyriccommenter7146 yup, I’m pretty sure every batter on the opposing team would get sent down to the minors after that
Me on MLB the Show!!!
@@jareddiehl1795 but then the fielder could drop the ball
As you said yourself in the video when talking about bowling a perfect game is where the desired outcome happens every time. That’s what a baseball perfect game is at every at bat the desired outcome is a out so a perfect game is where every at bat results in a out. You asked why we give the pitcher all the credit and that’s because they played the biggest role In it but it’s still a perfect game not a perfect pitched game
Another perfect game would be if every player on the team hit consecutive home runs, and never striked or fouled out. So the first inning would go on forever until the other team forfeit the game.
In that case, wouldn't a game where the pitcher gives up no earned runs be considered perfect? The goal of every inning is to leave with a 0 on the board. And unlike with individual batters, that is a stat that matters in the long run. One team can have an OBP of .500 and the other of .036, and the second team can theoretically win. Hell, that second stat can get even smaller if you go to extra innings, only to give up a walkoff homer. In that scenario, despite constantly loading the bases, the first teams pitcher did his job perfectly. He put his team in the best situation to win the game. The second pitcher meanwhile clearly played better, but ultimately it didn't matter, because he ended up with a single digit on the scoreboard.
@@jayrodr897 I disagree, not letting up a run is a desired outcome, but not THE desired outcome. I agree with the op, but might a pitcher’s bias
An immaculate game, 27 strikeouts will most assuredly never happen and IMO a perfect game/no hitter is a team accomplishment
A super duper immaculate game would be: Shohei Ohtani pitches a perfect game, and also hits for the cycle in the same game.
Yeah this vid is boring, arguing semantics is dull
@@nerychristian and he hits in the natural order
@@aidengoosemorey3499 And his home run is a walk off hit in the 7th game of the world series
In 1952 a guy named Ron Necciai, pitching for the Pittsburgh Pirates AA team. He threw a 9 inning no-hitter with 27 strikeouts. If i remember correctly he walked a guy and another reached 1st on a dropped third strike so he had to get 28 outs in the game. About as close to complete perfection as anyone has ever gotten in a professional game.
I think it would be amazing if a hitting perfect game existed, the problem is we would have to come up with some arbitrary definition just like the pitching perfect game because theoretically you could hit an infinite amount of homeruns in the game, it will never happen but it theoretically could.
Fun take
The closest thing I can think of to a hitter's perfect game is like when Reggie Jackson hit 3 home runs on 3 pitches in the 1977 World Series
See 3 pitches, hit 3 home runs.
Also.. hitting for a natural cycle (single, double, triple, home run in that order) could count.
Another "Hitter's Perfect Game".. since the whole goal of hitting is to produce runs.. Hitting a grand slam every time you come to the plate in a game.
Renee Stennett going 7 for 7 with two doubles and a triple in a 22-0 rout at Wrigley Field on Sept. 16, 1975.
Another idea.. (sorry I'm high 🙃) a game where you produce a run, by driving one in and/or getting on base and scoring a run each time you come up.. But if you get on base via fielder's choice, error or wild pitch strike three it don't count.
An out is the most desirable outcome in any pitchers head. Doesn’t matter if it’s a K or robbed HR. I think you got distracted trying to figure out what the perfect “out” would be
81 pitches thrown, 81 strikes, game over is the definition of a perfect game imo from a pitcher
Looking or swinging?
What about Maddux's 78 pitches?
@@bertbondy2997 either, I think no contact is better than fouled off pitches tho
What about a 27 pitch perfecto 🤣
That wouldn’t happen. Someone will pass on a pitch. It’s why we never see three pitch innings
27 up 27 down
That’s a perfect game. It’s always been and always will be regardless of how it gets accomplished
A perfect game is a team accomplishment IMO, it has to be, but the pitcher gets the recognition for it.
is a strikeout even the most "perfect" outcome? a strikeout requires you to throw at least 3 pitches while inducing contact can be done in 1 pitch, so wouldn't 27 straight groundouts/flyouts on the first pitch be a the most "perfect?"
i see where you’re coming from but i think the most perfect would be striking out everyone on 3 pitches without anyone so much as fouling a pitch off. solid argument for either one
I can see the logic in where you're coming from.. but there's still one thing out of the pitcher's control.
Whether or not the batter swings. Could record 26 outs on 26 pitches, and the 27th batter takes strike one to ruin it.
@@LiveFromThePorcelainPalace there could also be an error
@@bustanutt3848 i think the fact that there's logic for each one proves the point of this video that there's no such thing as a true "perfect game"
@@bustanutt3848 that would be the ultimate perfect game. 27k 3 pitches each
I love that lil Wayne bowling on tv is a thing that happened
My high score on WII bowling is 299. Literally got a 9 on the final throw!!!!!! I was BEYOND mad at that.
Ha ha you wanker
damn
That really sucks
In 1952 a guy named Ron Necciai, pitching for the Pittsburgh Pirates AA team. He threw a 9 inning no-hitter with 27 strikeouts. If i remember correctly he walked a guy and another reached 1st on a dropped third strike so he had to get 28 outs in the game. About as close to complete perfection as anyone has ever gotten in a professional game.
Perfection truly is subjective -- Consider the eternal romantic tenet of “You may not be perfect, but you’re perfect for me.”
I once threw an 81 pitch, 9 immaculate innings game in MLB The Show so I know a little something about perfection😎
This could have been a 10 second video where you say “the semantic definition of perfect isn’t the same as a perfect game” which you can say about literally every single labeled action in baseball.
'perfect' is impossible to achieve in life... but the 'perfect game' is very solid - based on the scoreboard, game card, etc, its a 'perfect' game in baseball terms. 27 up, 27 outs. no blemishes of walks or errors. youre trying to bring the definition and meta things into the definition of what it means in the sport of baseball which doesnt work.... i agree its whatever an individual wants it to mean... but it is has a very statistical, clear, and laid out definition in the sport.
Yeaaah about half way through this video I realized it was going to be pointless. Idk still watched through it but like....there was very little point or anything in here.
@@russell3023 happens sometimes with baseball sabermetrics channels.
Yeah I agree with that, pitching 81 straight strikes or 27 straight ground outs for 27 outs is impossible. sure perfect games have balls thrown at times (not all strikes) and the defense can save them, but they're still 27 up 27 down with no baserunners and that counts as perfection
This is, and I cannot stress this enough, your best video. It's perfect.
The perfect game: 27 up 27 down 81 pitches all of them strikes
The best outcome for a pitcher wouldn’t always be a strikeout. I think it would actually be a pop-out on the first pitch for each batter. Only having to throw 27 pitches and win the game (assuming your office gets at least one run) would be way more IDEAL!
As one of my favorite artists Jeff Rosenstock once said
Perfect always takes so long because it don't exist
Good video
9:08 Thanks for the rare Vinnie Love
A game with zero pitches. Intentionally walk the first batter, then pick him off for the out. Do this for every out.
That would not only qualify for a perfect game, but it would be a perfect reason for the customers to demand their money back!
Hearing you talk about anyone's definition of perfection reminded me of the ending to Tron Legacy when Jeff Bridges says to CLU: "The thing about perfection is that it's unknowable. It's impossible but it's also right in front of us all the time."
Well done sir, came for the baseball, stayed for the introspection 🤙🏻
mike's example a pitcher striking out all 27 batters being a TRUE perfect game actually makes sense
I had the first 11 strikes in bowling only to realize that the whole place stopped to watch me and ony 12 shot left the picket fence for a 296.
I felt I let everyone down.
Good times.
cap my ootp character had 27 strikeouts with no balls
In 81 pitches?
@@owencelsie3696 of course
@@cantripleplays nice!
I mean, I think I would say the cycle is considered the perfect game for a hitter.
What about hitting 4 or 5 homeruns? Wouldn't that be better?
Out of curiosity, how would that be better than going 4 for 4 with 4 homeruns?
9 straight immaculate innings and every pitch resulting in a whiff is definitely the perfect game
I’ll respectfully disagree.The best possible outcome for a pitcher is an out. Period. Doesn’t matter the flavor. Could be 27 foul ball fly outs or everyone being robbed of a homer like you said. Have you heard the expression that’s just a long out? When a pitcher only allows 27 batters to come to the plate in a game and proceeds to get all 27 out then that a perfect game. Call me old school. As for the hitters perfect game, what makes sense to me is if the batter gets a homer every plate appearance. Mike Cameron hit 4 in game way back when, not sure if he went 4 for 4 tho…
The Harvey Haddix game the Braves were stealing his signs from CF scoreboard. They still got no-hit for 12 innings. This was Hank Aaron’s Braves fyi.
This video is perfect
What a sick thumbnail ur thumbnail guy deserves a raise
This is the most “school doesn’t teach us stuff we actually use” video ever
It hasn't happened yet, but technically, there can be one or more errors by the team of the pitcher who throws a perfect game. As long as the error doesn't allow the batter to reach base, the perfecto remains intact. So the error(s) would all have to be misplayed foul balls. Likely? No. Theoretically possible? Yes.
Great video. I agree with the idea that there’s probably never gonna be a definitive perfect game that checks all the boxes to fit that category. I think if a pitcher somehow managed to strike out all 27 batters he faces in 9 innings, then that would be as perfect of a perfect game could possibly be. But then again, the human error factor (i.e. umpire judgement calls on balls/strikes) would be the biggest issue imo. Also, his offense would have to produce at least a run within those 9 perfect innings and sometimes that can be a bit tricky. But say the game goes into extra innings with no runs scored, that’s added pressure on the perfect game as well. But a perfect game is still a perfect game if it actually happens because it’ll forever be in the record books and baseball lore. I guess that’s what matters at the end of the day.
I don’t care if a perfect game is technically “perfect” it’s still really really cool and really really impressive.
My first failed assignment ever was on a project defining “perfect” where I defined it as a moving target, forever beyond reach. Still mad about that
I think 2012 is unique because not only was the last perfect game pitched that year, there were actually two more before that earlier in the same year!
Still thinking how my Mariners were no hit by John Means and the only reason it was a no hitter was because of a dropped third strike to Sam Haggerty who then was thrown out stealing second.
this is the most beautiful video i’ve ever seen
Ayo what’s with the random clip of Aaron Paul bowling 😂love it
4:12
They missed 2 extra points. They would've scored 49 points if they were perfect
Aye shoutout to you for that Tyler reference
The “perfect” is referring to the scorecard. You’ve seemingly misunderstood why it’s being called that.
The closest thing to a batting perfect game is a barrel on every at bat.
Very good video no cap
The games by Haddix, Galarraga and Shore are more famous than most “real” perfect games. (Len Barker? Mike Witt?? Tom Browning??? Even their mother’s have forgotten them!!)
We human beings love stories where people lose out on their “just desserts” because of something outside of their control.
Interestingly, in one of baseball’s most celebrated perfect games (Koufax’s gem against the Cubs in 1965) his opponent, in one sense, outperformed him.
In that same game Bob Hendley set an unequalled and unsurpassed record for facing the fewest batters in a regulation complete game. Koufax had to face 27 Cubs to get credit for the CG, but Hendley managed the same feat facing only 26 Dodgers.
So, as you see, there’s perfect and there’s “better than perfect”.
The hardest thing I've had to do this week was listen to that music during the opening montage.
Wow was that bad.
I was at that bills game. I call it the freeze off
that song.... think i heard something different..
Ty
It's just a term for getting everyone out. It's better than a no-hitter, but it does rely on the whole team not making any errors as well. It's just a way to differentiate no-hitters from perfect games. It is perfect for the pitcher, getting every batter out in the game, although Haddix and Pedro Martinez (oh, and Rich Hill) took their perfect games into extras and lost perfection. I'd say not allowing any baserunners is incredible and the least likely outcome and so hard to do that it deserves a great name such as perfect.
i think a perfect game is where a pitcher's pitches go exactly where they want the entire game and get the exact desired outcome that you want, if u hit all your spots the whole game and don't allow anything to go wrong
"Think about the word perfect"
Me- HALO
This reeks of "Well, ackchyually..."
No-hitters and perfect games are statistical flukes. They're like scanning the most beautiful meadow on earth to find a four -leaf clover.
Frank Ocean has strikeout stuff, but definitely gives up his fair share of homers.
No hits, no runs, no errors = perfect
The perfect game is a team achievement but stars the pitcher
You didn’t need to make a 10 minute video about the fact that the word perfect is subjective
Lmao yeah this was a waste of 10 minutes. Waited for him to say something interesting and it never came.
Bro I just realized that you can throw a perfect game under 30 pitches
An Immaculate game
I mean theoretically if you hit a homerun on the first pitch of every at bat you're doing ur job perfectly
Though I’m perfectly fine with your assertion that a perfect game should not be called a perfect game because nothing in life is perfect, I was disappointed that you didn’t offer an alternative to perfect. I’m currently learning jurisprudence in my program right now and honestly I’m just really annoyed by reading pages upon pages of dead people dictating the actual definition of ‘law’ and how it differs from ‘not law’. But even those old hacks offer an alternative category within which they shove all of the non-laws and call it a day. All I’m saying is that though you already tackled the philosophical challenge behind calling something that is arbitrary ‘perfect’ when nothing really can be called that, offering no other terms as alternatives kind of make this piece half-baked. The term no-hitter is great because it instantly conveys what sort of feat was achieved, so I call it a perfect name. What would be a perfect name for a perfect game, since perfect game isn’t a perfect name for which we could call what we currently call a perfect game?
You want a perfect name? How about “Old Hoss Radbourn” or “Cool Papa Bell”?
Now that’s my idea of perfect!!
I was not expecting the Buffalo '66 reference.
I wonder if Galarraga still has that Corvette
I was eating chipotle while watching this video
Same
Still waiting on the immaculate game
To me, the best example of why a perfect game is truly subjective is Kerry Wood's 20 strikeout game vs. the stacked Houston Astros. He was literally perfect, save for one ball that snuck through the infield. Same could be said for Clayton Kershaw's near perfect game or Max Scherzer's. All of those games arguably more impressive than some perfect games (think Braden, Humber). All good games, but an arbitrary definition rewards some more than others
I mean 20ks is cool, but still gave up a hit. No one, but you sees that as perfection.
Your examples describe a "masterclass" of a game. But it was not a perfect game for the pitcher.
@@TheCpadron19 but if the fielder was positioned slightly over, which they may have been in the modern shift-heavy era, and the hit turned into a ground out, is Kerry Wood suddenly that much better? Or if Dewayne Wise drops that catch, is Mark Buehrle suddenly that much less perfect? Totally subjective tbh
@@RileyAicher1 Life isn't fair. Woods wasn't perfect, and Buehrle was. Doesn't take away the skill from either, but like I said, a perfect game is a team effort, and Kerry's team wasn't perfect. Sorry he gave up a hit 🤷♂️.
There are also pitchers who aren't even considered great, who have had perfect games. Kind of the great thing about baseball honestly; You never know who's going to show up and perform on any given day.
In my opinion it's a joke to say a perfect game isn't perfect, but hey I'm just semi pro, so I don't really have any say. As for the CZcamsr, I doubt he even played college, so his take on perfection shouldn't even be considered. It's like if Skip Bayless made a video on the subject, except it's not skip Bayless, it's some dude with less than 200k subscribers trying to downplay the hardest feat in the sport.
3 pitches an inning. Each resulting in a fly out to the pitcher. Full outcome controlled by pitcher!
A 27 pitch game would be the best possible.
Take a shot every time he says perfect
In my opinion, instead of a "perfect game" it should be an Immaculate game and an "Immaculate inning" should be a perfect inning. Here's my reasoning, the definition of immaculate is: perfectly clean, neat, or tidy. This would be a great fit when looking at the box score, as it would show "clean and tidy" 0's across the board. While like you said "perfect" means nothing can be improved, throwing 9 strikes in a row and striking out 3 batters in a single inning is something that you cannot improve on, it's the best possible outcome.
box score is "perfect" with 27/27 batters out
I was at the game edwin Jackson threw a no hitter in tampa
27 1 pitch comebackers to the pitcher. but hit to the right where he can run the ball to first
At first I though maybe you were thinking about it a little too had but I do agree I guess
27 up 27 down that’s a perfect game.
Came here for the baseball, stayed for the philosophy
I was in the stands for Felix perfect game!
Technically, a perfect pitching performance would be 27 pitches, 27 strikes, 9 0uts. But i'd fucking lose my mind if it were ever to happen.
I’ve been saying for years that a real perfect game can never be achieved because the only game I can think of being truly perfect is 9+ immaculate innings. And nobody will ever be able to do that, especially not in MLB
ah the legendary no-toucher
the 28 out perfecto would have happened had miggy not tried to field a ball going to second base as a first baseman. that's a big reason why the call was made as is. miggy would've stayed at first and there would have been no questioning as to whether armando had the bag or not
Perfect game: every batter is out after a single pitch on a lineout or flyout back to the pitcher
Technically the best outcome of every NFL drive would be 8 points (with a 2-point conversion instead a field goal) 😉😂💀
The whole point of rules is that they’re arbitrary. They only exist so games can exist. By your logic, there are no World Series champs cause only two countries play in them. Home runs don’t count if you jog. Etcetera
Perfect album: Sergeant Pepper’s Lonely Hearts Club Band. Or Rubber Soul. Or Revolver. Or Abbey Road. Point is that the Beatles have several albums that could be considered perfect.
My RTTS player in The Show 16 averaged 30 perfect games a season.
It takes zero skill to play with your sliders up all that way. When you do it on HOF difficulty with your sliders at zero then come hollar at me.
Everybody can have his own definition for a perfect game. MLB set a definition for "perfect game" so that people will understand the same concept. You don't like the nomenclature. You criticize the name and you criticize the definition, but you do not offer any alternative. What would you say it should be called?
A perfect game to me pitching wise at least to the standards of the worlds version of perfect, it would be an 81 pitch game with 27 strikeouts, no contact made, no balls thrown. But that will never happen because nobody will ever be perfect.
a perfect game would be 81 pitches 27strikeouts game
hey nice
I take your point, but isn't all of sports just a little arbitrary? Heck, you could even argue that's true of Human Society. I think the reason that the perfect game definition is what it is is because it's so hard to achieve but yet not completely impossible to achieve. Because if we said the perfect game constraints was all 27 strikeouts then there would be zero perfect games. And on the other end of this spectrum there are no hitters where the picture personally didn't really make any mistakes.
Step 1: IBB first batter
Step 2: 1 pitch double play
Step 3: 1 pitch out
1.0 innings, 2 pitches. Do that 9 times
Intentionally walk 2 batters, then triple play. 1 pitch
The true perfect game is where a pitcher gets 27 outs on 27 throws all resulting in hits caught by the pitcher. The catcher never touches the ball, the first baseman never touches the ball.
good point about bills but they could have gone for 2 so not best possible outcome
I totally count Galarraga's
They have the definition of a perfect game. So yes the perfect game exists in baseball. Kinda of an oddball video.