BBC The Great Offices of State: 1. The Dark Department
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Three-part series in which award-winning reporter Michael Cockerell uncovers the secret world of Whitehall, showing what the trio of great offices - Home, Foreign and Treasury - are really like.
In his look at the Home Office - the ministry of law and order, immigration, MI5 and counter-terrorism - Cockerell blends fresh access filming with formerly unseen and rare archive, and interviews with present and past home secretaries and their senior officials.
Cameras follow Alan Johnson from the moment he became the sixth home secretary in twelve years, after the resignation of Jacqui Smith. Johnson is briefed by the Home Office spin doctor about what to say to story-hungry journalists waiting for him. 'The Home Office's job is to confront human evil', says one mandarin, 'but every person in the pub has his own view of how to do it and is his or her own home secretary'.
Can't help but chuckle at the quick transition from 4:32 with the look of anxiety and slight annoyance on Johnson's face to 4:38 when he's smiling ear to ear.
Whether you agree or disagree with their politics, it's not a job for the faint-hearted. Credit to him for going out to the press like that.
I hadn’t seen this thick of it episode before!
MI6 does fall under the remit of the Foreign Office. MI5 is the responsibility of the Home Office. Hope this helps.
At 49:44, when Normington complains about the "not fit for purpose" phrase, Reid specifically told me in an unrelated conversation that Normington had put that in his brief.
WHITEHALL AFTER DARK is a new novel (2017) that centers on the clandestine operations of the British Secret Services. Check it out. It will make you 'see' politics from a totally different angle.
I didn't realise Yes Minister was a documentary.
So was the new statesman
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@@estieglandwr... honest. Exactly ten yrs before Blair, they show Alan B'stard coming from a split constituency etc etc. ... Had him preach double speak to the listening left before new Labour, then got rid 🙏
@@MrWim81 hey, wasn't questioning, just amused 😁
@@estieglandwr not often I get to mention it . Fun show. No brexit 🙏
Prussia said, that a county must have five ministries (or departments or offices, whatever you want to call them) to function: interior (Home Office), justice, foreign, defence and treasury. If one of them is missing, you cannot uphold the duties of a government an country.
Alan Johnson would have made a good Labour leader
26:07 - John Birt was characterised in the brilliant BBC comedy "The Thick of It" where Julius Nicholson was the "blue skies" thinker appointed by the Prime Minister to bring "fresh ideas" and "think outside the box" bullshit into government.
EAT THE FUCKING CHEESE NICHOLSON!!!!!
You pontius pilot with the emphasis on PONCE!
@@alextaylor7825 Wow - Someone with comedy skills. Alex pat your self on the back for being so droll and funny!!
@@johnking5174 I can't take any credit as its a line from the series when Julius and Steve Flemming are talking about an enquiry. You have a nice day now.
@@alextaylor7825 I was channelling my "inner bastard" as Malcolm would call it
18:09 Very poor choice of words 😂
Hey, most of us don't need some expensive Oxbridge degree or high-level government job to learn *that*.
Yes permanent secretaries are really valuable as the incoming minister can draw on great experience and wisdom from a permanent team. Pretty much all countries have them but call them different things. No, the Home Office is in Whitehall - MI6 (not to be confused with MI5) is in it's own building on the banks of the Thames - it's quite a famous building and is featured in the James Bond films, as, obviously, the HQ of MI6 ;-)
The Organization of the British bureaucracy through several centuries is truly admirable.
Yep. It's what makes our country stable. Let's stop piddling around with governments abroad that try to meddle and bribe their way into destabilising our democracy.
Great bit!
"The Home Office has long been seen a glittering political coffin. Many recent Home Secretaries have left it feet first" Hahahaha oh dear BBC and your wry humour
Can you explain? What am I missing?
@@barnaby4232 She was dead when she went in.
@Adnan Irfan Undead.
seriously the same paper work that had the September elevenths attacks had my music lyrics and some drawings and a post-it with David's soul written on it...I want them back
Thank you for publishing. Looking forward to the next episodes. Do you have episode 2 on the Foreign Office?
Hey Expat UK can you upload Part 2 (CZcams took it down) or can you send it to me?
Very informative.
What comes across strongly is that a lot of Whitehall functionaries felt that they had an entitlement to "rule" or at the very least be inflexible yet not a SINGLE voter ever voted for them. As flawed as a parliamentary democracy might be these Etonian/Oxford educated suits need to learn that they are SERVANTS of the electorate, not dictators of them.
And not bribe targets for the KGB.
The country is being held to ransom yet we are told it’s called globalisation. .
''Some1 has been deported & immediately shot on arrival at their home country..." Classic Clarke (ZIMBABWE - MUGABE REGIME)..."
Thanks. Any idea why episode 2 -palace of dreams / the foreign office - is nowhere to be seen?
Completely detached from the real world. The only truthful thing Kenneth Clarke has said about himself
This is interesting!
Well, in those days, the exchange rate was fixed, Japan enjoyed free ride on trade opportunities, it was much easier to justify the existence of the MITI.
Japan's defeat was so devastating that it is surprising to many historians how on earth Japan managed to keep her royal house.
The country is now so much inclined to the left that it is difficult to argue for more royal participations in politics, even in ceremonial capacities.
Japan would have become a republic- but there were no other institutions left and Japan faces Russia to the north and west- so the monarchy stayed.
All government departments have some drawbacks, one cannot possibly expect a ministerial position to be cushy and easy.
3:39 Malcom Tucker's one-stop bollicking shop!
anyone know where I could find part 2 on the foreign office, the only ones on CZcams seem to be episodes one and three
How to be foreign secretary on David Boothroyd channel.
Fantastic channel with jolly good video. Thank you , ✔✅
I’m watching this May 2020, lockdown you know. It’s fascinating. I wonder as reports of stabbing in London have become more and more common-not criticizing we have our own huge crime issues-I’m curious as to what the home office, the Home Secretary, has said or done about it. Have any steps been taken to make the streets safer?
Prem Rawat peace education programme, prisons closing, help to knife crime victim families etc.
Clue: the coalition 2010 government cut the police sharply. Ask Theresa May what that did…
Yes Minister definitely had inside knowledge. The Thick of it looks like it was approved by the cabinet office, YM tells you why it probably wasn't.
Is this a documentary or another episode of Yes Minister?
It is all about security.
Sir Normington seems a really nice Permanent Secretary compare to his predecessor.
The title Sir is always used with the forename, then (optionally) the surname. "Lord" always takes the surname, (originally the name of the place the title-holder was the lord of).
So, Sir Jack Straw, becomes Lord Straw of wherever he's Lord of.
Hmmm I would have less desert, have no idea about how much the costs of NHS Dental treatmets have risen.
Looking at some of them I can only ask one question: Is this the ministry responsible for the quality of dental care in the UK?
No, that would be the Ministry of Health and Social Care.
How does a Permanent Secretary remain in his job after failing so many Ministers?
That's why he's called PERMANENT secretary.
Only he knows chain of blunders
Lol well not under Priti Patel they don’t
what a crazy world 'oh look heres a guy who knows absolutely nothing about the Home Office, lets put him in charge'. Also how can Charles Clarke (or anyone) 'regret the decision' of being sacked ie. a decision he didn't make.
Welcome to Cabinet Responsibility. Whenever you succeeded, it's the Government's success..if you fail, it's YOUR failure.
16:27 - Whoops, there it comes, the reality of the civil service. We all know who is really in charge.
Sir Humphrey Applebey?
Did Jack Straw actual say "inshallah" ?
wills101 yes, he did. Brother.....
Lol
+Peter Bradshaw No the police are not part of the civil service, though they themselves are best described as civil servants as they are an extension of the executive branch of UK, btb where did you study "admin law"? as this is a very basic piece of information.
Not really, I said they were part of the executive branch, I just said they're not referred to as "civil service", which generally refers to bureaucrats. And it's constitutional and administrative law. When is it not esoteric?
Only the one's not currently engaged in brutality and casual racism, lol. There's got to be one decent one though, think he's been replaced with 2 PCSO's and cardboard cutout of himself in Tesco's though :)
+Tom Withey It's a thankless job like the FBI or CIA
David DeVIlla True, I'm sure there are good ones, but, nowadays, too often the police are thugs with superiority complexes, though I've met one that was alright (had a long chat with the guy) he was training to be a lawyer, and was only doing the job for experience.
+Master Chief CIA is the biggest shit stirring organization in the world; dirty deeds done cheap
Oh..so that's where that In The Thick of It episode was based on...
No, it was based on DoSAC - department for social affairs. Parts were filmed in the Home Office building though.
@@itsweb1584 DoSAC was fictional so that the writers could incorporate stories they’d been told from all the government departments
Everyone that gets this position should have had to hold a career in it for decades . If they havnt worked in intelligence prior then you couldn't expect the head to ever be trusted by them .
Its actuality to many departments.
Police , prison and emergancy fire rescue all should be under local authority .
Where is episode 2?
We live and die in the shadows for those we hold close
The Home Office is the Aprile Crew of the British Government
I miss these Politicians
Why do the permanent secretaries always seem to be a Sir? Was just wondering..
Great clip and documentary..
Part of the perks of the job
I am an uneducated Japanese of humble means but I would like to express my support for the structures like these, simultaneously acknowledging the risk of doing so.
Japan has had too many PMs - 24 this past 40 years. The country kept on meeting treaty obligations and paid pensioners and other public services without failure since the end of the war.
Britain is lucky to have robust civil services AND a functioning royal house which is what Japan does not have.
Where does straw think he is inshalla is not something we usually say in this country I think it shows where his head is and he was at the home office for 4 years
There is, in my experience, no greater disrespect given to people who actually know how to do things than is expressed by The British upper class. See Jack Straw’s marginalization of an actual doer beginning at 26:20 to 27:20.
What world do you live in where Jack Straw is the upper class?
@@danielbulman6082 Exactly my thoughts lol
Do you take your job so lightly?
For real they know everything, knowledge is everything what is that... some knowledge they rob from someone...
There are too many categories under one departments. Most of them especially immigration ( visas) needs to be its on department.
So who to trust? Politicians or non--elected jobsworths implementing (their own) policies? Should spend a few weeks in certain Departments in Dublin! Just sayin'.
Politicians do as they are told.
I don’t know anything about Creative Commons but my identity was used in the UK without my consent.
Depicts what a puppet really is!
Is there one on the Foreign Office? I can find the one on the Treasury but no Foreign Office.
Here is a separate one produced before this, about how to be Foreign Secretary - czcams.com/video/WZCZp44kERg/video.html
You have to take into account the political changes impact your security situation!
32:43 did Jack Straw just say inshallah?...
It means "God Willing" in Arabic.
We know what it means you fool.
@@josephbailey4249 Moron. Hope you have a dreadful Christmas.
The point is not what it means - everyone but a few naïve folks know that- but what it SAYS about a Home Secretary like Jack Straw- a man who is likely to utter any anything at all if he thinks it is to his political advantage. And since my mother died last week it will no doubt please you to know that I will probably have a dreadful Christmas.
@@josephbailey4249 That's exactly what I was getting at, so thanks for that. Sorry to hear about your Mother, I hope you have the best Christmas possible despite the tough time you're going through
Wheres episode 2?
Foreign ministry
23:24 to 24:12 ---- Remarkable. Crime was significantly *down* by this point, yet the civil servants were saying that crime would inexorably rise whether the economy got better or worse. These people aren't just bereft of impartiality; they're liars.
Because..if they say everything is OK and crime rate is down...budget meant for them will be moved away to other departments thus reducing the power of the Home Office. Bureaucracy at its finest.
You should consider crime beyond these explanations. Figure out Rape as a crime beyond borders.
God, I am SO angry about that! I am such an admirer of Japan, of your protection of your culture and brilliant minds. I SO wish your royal house had more ceremonial roles in your politics. I am not sure about your civil service but I do know that historically Your MITI ministry was very powerful apparently.
25:18 If you shaved Jack Straw bald, he would look like Vin Diesel
Oh yes
Miniluv.
Lack of information is a problem for the government that cannout deal with its policies. You should be better at understanding your employment legislation is correct. However, the political campaigns in which you are entangled will not save you.
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The police are not a part of the civil service if I remember my admin law well.
Well the tories have got their way now! Law and order and fear
RULE BRITANNIA !
These modern day civil servants have no drive or pressure to do a good job it’s a merry go around in no other employment do you have such conditions it’s no wonder there not fit for purpose, if you gave the home office resources to any self made business men they would have it sorted employing ex postmen to these types of things is a mockery to the idea of the best msn for the job ethos
Shoosh
“The English as a race are not worth saving”.
(Jack Straw)
You cannot shake hands with a clenched fist.
Two questions: 1) Why were rapists and murderers released in the first place? It does not matter whether there was no communication between the home office and the prison department, it seems like a very laughable criminal justice system that provides incentives for criminals to continue offending.
2) No where in the documentary is there mention of what was done to look for and arrest the released criminals. It seems like the authorities just went...oopss my bad, nothing to see here. We are not going to even try and look for these animals and throw them back in the prison.
This is very disturbing. You cannot have a properly functioning society in which those responsible for maintaining order and safety have lost their moral compass and can no longer tell the difference between good and evil. You cannot have a society in which vice is rewarded.
Lol IT looks like they need the crime🤔
If they do wel in economy there is more crime 🤦🏻♂️
If they do bad in economy there is more crime😒
The last Home Office building had,,,,a brutalist concrete and glass exterior, Indeed it did, Does architecture influence thinking,,,or does thinking influence architecture, As for Blairs,,,blue skies thinking,,,his New Labour seemed obsessed with managerial goggledygook This vacuous language is the equivalent of brutalist architecture, Was it this corruption of language that led to Iraq,, Read Klemperers book,,Language of the Third Reich
this can't be real, the language is too polite. ;-)
“We also created, in the curse of the cold war, through our secret departments, A kind of unelected and very unattractive hierarchy of secret power. And secrecy, in your administration as in mine, became money, it became a source of power in itself. If you’re not allowed to know what I am allowed to know, I’m a better guy than you are. And if I want to keep you in your place, I’m not going to tell you.... So we took ourselves into a dirty frame of mind. And I begin to wonder now, .. what kind of perestroika we need to undertake psychologically in ourselves, what kind of refurbishing of our political consciousness is necessary after the cold war experience”. John le Carré
Since Edward Snowden’s revelations, it has become apparent that there was no psychological perestroika at all, there was merely an inward turning of the secret focus. Now we spy on ourselves because it’s easier than spying on the Russians.
weird political insiders from career politicians, who are not any part of the british constitution, 12-15 years should be the maximum time a law-voter stays in politics, before his votes are completely bought and he is a toady of a slack system. basically doctors, lawyers, teachers are better politicians and they should go in and out as MP's. not stay MPS like limpets with no experience in society.
Do someting then....
I thought the US gov was complicated
No one cares what you think
The US hasn't even had three hundred years to become ridiculously convoluted, we've been making things needlessly bureaucratic for close on a thousand frustrating years...
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its on the BBC , Saville - enough said
Didn’t do Theresa May much harm lol
SPIN DOCTERS = LIYERS
These sods live it up on the taxpayer whilst they fuck us over. Rise up and turf them all out. Especially the turds in the foreign office.
It'd be nice if Knighthood's were given out to people who have accomplished something in society.
Not civil servants.
Too many Eskimos everywhere.
It's full of old school no hopers. Maybe this is where the kiddie fiddlers hide out? That the UK won't get stuck in and get rid of these overpaid stuffed shirts from elite schools. Get some young talent in there and restructure, the current costs are outrageous for zero return. 50% of this expenditure could be saved.
I can't live in the UK knowing how totally inefficient and disgusting these fat toads are.
this guy wanders around London shouting at pigeons. he's known as crazy horse the pigeon hatted doom pocket.
Never seen so many weak chins 😶
'Permanent Secretary' sounds like the Old Guard Wanker Brigade ...sorry not a very 'diplomatic' comment ..then again I had the pleasure of turning them down!!!! hahahahah!!!
We have been instructed in this matter in an investigatory capacity, following allegations by our clients, that they have been the victims of fraud, illegal eviction and theft. The matter involves four Occupied Residential properties, along with the contents, business and personal, and rental Income, namely -:
a) 101 Frant Road, Thornton Heath, Croydon, SURREY, CR7 7JX,
b) 132 Castle Road, 132 Castle Road, Northolt, EALING, UB5 4SF,
c) 180 Church Hill Road, East Barnet, Herts EN4 8PP
d) 1 Wren Court, Magdalene Gardens, WHETSTONE, London, N20 0AF
We have inspected the allegations, documentation and attended court and other venues in our pursuit of the following:-
1) The FCA called our client in January 2015, on purported allegations, that he and his partner and joint owner, proprietor and beneficiary of equitable interest, Jacqueline Campbell were lawfully evicted, along with other family member occupiers, namely Romy Badaloo, Christopher Badaloo, and Ruben Badaloo (Minor).
2) Further, the purported allegation included information, that the personal and business items of the occupants, staff and clients at the Home Office premises were lawfully removed. The staff of the business, Church Hill Finance were Mayur Joshi, Wilfred Perera and Deborah Carr.
3) Further allegations that Anthony Badaloo alone was lawfully arrested and convicted of Trespass and Theft as at 01.04.2015 at the above premises, and is dishonest as a result.
OUR FINDINGS:-
a) There is no evidence, in the form a Sealed Court Instrument for an Eviction (Order for Vacant Possession), Conviction nor Possession of Goods of Anthony Badaloo , Jacqueline Campbell, Romy Badaloo, Christopher Badaloo, Wilfred Perera, Mayur Joshi, Deborah Carr nor Church Hill Finance.
b) There is no evidence of proceedings duly, Issued by the court, which could lawfully give rise to any such Authentic Court Instruments to be issued against Anthony Badaloo, Jacqueline Campbell, Romy Badaloo, Christopher Badaloo, Wilfred Perera, Mayur Joshi, Deborah Carr nor Church Hill Finance.
c) We have seen Land Registry DATA, which establishes, that as at 1.04.2015, Anthony Badaloo and Jacqueline Campbell are the owners, proprietors and beneficiaries of equitable interest, and cannot under any law on 1.04.2015 be classified as trespassers.
Items Relied Upon
a) Computerised Court Records in case Number 3BT01335
b) Computerised Court Records (Criminal Courts)
c) Registry Trust DATA
d) Land Registry DATA as at 01.04.2015
Conclusion
Anthony Badaloo, Jacqueline Campbell, Ruben Badaloo (Minor), Romy Badaloo, Christopher Badaloo, Wilfred Perera, Mayur Joshi nor Deborah Carr and other lawful occupiers, have been the victims of a multiple Court Order Scam, where they have been deprived of their home, belongings and tools of their trade, in clear violation of :-
a) Protection from Eviction and Harassment Act 1977 s.1
b) The Tort (Interference with Goods) Act 1977
c) The Criminal Law Act 1977 s.45
d) Fraud Act 2006 s.2 (False Representation),3 (Concealment),4 (Abuse of Position), 7 (Possession of articles for use in a Fraud), and 12 (Company Officers Liability).
e) Proceeds of Crime Act 2002 part 7 - Money Laundering
f) Human Rights Act articles 1 (Property) This imposes an obligation on the State not to:
• interfere with peaceful enjoyment of property;
• deprive a person of their possessions; or
• subject a person’s possession to control.
3 (Torture), 5 (Freedom and Liberty), 6 (Fair Trial), 14 (Discrimination).
In summary, the evidence verifies, that the staff at the FCA is acting on a purported allegation in January 2015, based on purported Lawful Court Instruments and proceedings, which do not exist, and cannot exist in fact and law.
You shall accept these facts, as a report of Serious Corruption and Organised Crime, to include Money Laundering, in order that we may discharge our reporting responsibility, under PACE, and trust that the FCA and other enforcement authorities, take appropriate action, to restore the position of the victims, and bring to justice, the offenders, as in the case of HBOS v Paul and Nikki Turner.
Common Law Associates via Sworn Affidavit
Horrible view!
Isn’t Michael Howard just so irritating.
Proper-ganda.
Not as good as here in the good old USA
Were #1...
I was born in America I'm not British and I was raised in a unique set of circumstances. cloneing Hitler experiment doesn't mean just sticking a needle up some girls twat it's the life scenarios to produce that type of leader......not saying I'm Hitler clone but with the level of psychological supposed doctors around my life and my ideas being used.....I honestly felt going into foster care hospitals before...that it's almost better to die why would I have that natural or unnatural thought....why is my nose so small..why isn't my hair black these things bother me
Don Quixito What?
What are you on about pal?