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Please create a scenario with NGAD, SR-72, and B-21! All three DCS 6th gen aircraft in one vid!🙏👍
You should do the SU-34.
dope video
P-47 vs. Fw-190
Sick f15 content! These have been such GREAT videos!!! You should try doing more with YOU piloting the F35 (any variant) not in a dogfight scenario but more along the lines of how it would actually be used. Your f22 stealth mission videos are amazing and it would be really cool to see you expand upon what the current (as well as near future) 5th generation planes can do maybe in a video where the f35 replaces the a10????
F-15 Is way more versatile. But if the airspace is uncontested/clear, advantage goes to A-10 in pure ground attack. Worth mentioning is that the ability to loiter over the battlefield also helps troops, and the A-10 excels at that.
Exactly. Different mission sets. Send in Strike Eagles and Vipers to sanitize the airspace and SEAD/DEAD, then Warthogs to support the ground assault.
This. A-10 is not an air-to-air platform, and so of course it struggles in a contested air space. But its ability to just park over a battlefield and rain hellfire down on the baddies is unparalleled.
Yup, loiter time and focus on CAS
A 10 has a permanent passive morale boost of +35% to all nearby troops within 10 miles. An additional +15% morale boost when doing a victory barel roll + flares over friendly troops within a 2 mile radius
The Eagle does not have this ability
@@giovannyc.1724 You forgot the +50% morale boost to any friendly units that hear brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
Su57 Vs Apache?
My day one of asking 😂
@@logicplague I'm just jumping on the band wagon 😉
Doing my part! Su-57 vs Apache please!
My god you know that tree pfp guy is going to ask for apache vs felon and you’re just rubbing it in now 😂😂
SU-57 v Apache. Joining the demand.
Locked from 40 miles, fired missile, battle over.
God not more of them.
@@kimchi2780apache flares easily counter the su57 missile
@@ryanwalterson737my brother in Christ it's a hypersonic missile. Tyr apache couldn't DO anything about the missile coming because I can't move nearly quick enough to make the SU-57 or the R-37 lose lock, even with chaff.
Even in the dogfight the Apache would be toast due to the SU-57 basically can become a helicopter with more nose authority. 😂 Especially if fox 3s were allowed, the archer could simply deny the Apache it's flying capabilities before it even knew the missile was in the air. Let's not waste a daily upload on this guys. I just spoiled it for y'all.
I'm doing my part. SU-57 vs Apache.
A role that many don't know or forget, is that the A-10 isn't just used for direct CAS, it's also an airborne forward controller directing other aircraft and artillery.
A B-1 bomber can do FAC-A too.
Seems like it would have limited visibility and large turn radius. Even fast FACs have typically been things like the F-100 or today, Harrier, F/A-18 or F-16.
@@Stinger522 Relevance? is a B-1 bomber an F-15E? why mention an un-involved aircraft as if it is viable to the discussion lol..
@@jw8697 in his defense, I saw it as him just stating a fun fact, a fact which I didn't know so it was appreciated.
@@MikestrikenI salute you mate, that is a very healthy attitude.
All valid points about the F15.
However, have you considered the superior advantage of the A10 when it comes to taking out enemy porta-loos?
Denying the enemy!😁
The Beagle could do a supersonic deck pass and demolish them with the shock wave.
We need an F-15 vs toilet video. Then we'll know.
It’s really mission dependent. The A-10 has loiter time and the Eagle doesn’t. Real world of course commanders wouldn’t let a fighter go in single, and just try to clear the board by itself. Too valuable an asset.
Flight of one is a liability, flight of 2 is an asset 🙂
After watching this video, now I’m curious how the AH-64 Apache would do against the SU-57 Felon. Apache Vs. Felon ⚔️
Until it has the Stingers added to the wing tips the DCS Apache will not be able to take any maneuvering aircraft. They would literally have to come head on and wander into it's gun or a burst of Hydras. And the Felon is just too maneuverable for a stinger to threaten at anything more than a mile, unless the pilot just doesn't see the smoke and is taken unawares. Meanwhile the the Felon has uncontested opportunities to attack down at the Apache.
I think this video gives a pretty good idea about how it would do against a fighter jet. It's no match for it like these helicopters which were shot down.
@@chrismaverick9828 lol yeah I know, I was kinda joking. I know Treewasnice has continually asked about it for hundreds of days at this rate so I was just following his lead. It’s a meme at this point 😂 I’m well aware it’ll be easy work for the Felon. I would like to see GS in the 64 though, sometimes he can pull some unorthodox moves and come out on top.
@@traviswalker8933 lol yeah I know, I was only kidding. I still would like to see it though with GS in the 64. Who knows, maybe he can actually find a way to beat the 57
Guns only maybe? Probably not though.
You should try recreating the only Strike Eagle air-to-air kill recorded... Using a laser guided bomb against a Mi-8 (28?)
Mi24. The WSO who lased the GBU10 in recenty passed. RIP "Chewie" Bakke...an absolute LEGEND in the community!
@@MattH-wg7ou thanks. I couldn't be bothered to look up the exact incident. And the 24 is an updated 8 iird?
@@Canthus13 I dont know to be honest. I thought the Mi8 was an old bird and the Mi24 was a "newer" (in the context of this discussion lol) one that is pretty vastly different, but I dont know TBH.
@@MattH-wg7ou I think so... Like the au-27 to the su-30.
@@MattH-wg7ou Never mind. I had to look it up. the 24 is the Hind. I was thinking of the Mi-17. Both were developed from the 8, though. The 24 is just like the AH-1 was to the UH-1.
GS - I enjoy your videos. I learned a lot about military aviation through your videos. I heard recently that USAF is planning to phase out A10's in next several years and replace with F35's for ground support with objections from pilots. Can you redo the past A10 missions with F35's instead? I would be interested to see how effective F35's are compared to A10's.
Unfortunately, the F-35 in DCS doesn't have a cockpit model, so GS doesn't fly it.
They've been trying to do that for a while now. The A-10 remains valuable for the simple reason that the maintenance is much less than the F-35. I suppose you could also make an argument that the GAU-8 is more useful for CAS than the GAU-22/A.
However, the F-35 does look to be able to carry more ordnance than the A-10 in uncontested airspace, and unlike the A-10, is fully capable of flying in contested airspace and still getting the job done. On paper, I could see its electronics making it even more flexible and powerful for FAC. In other words, whether the F-35 actually _does_ replace the A-10 is going to depend on whether its higher capability outweighs the lower operating cost of the A-10. Admittedly, that _is_ a pretty big hurdle to clear.
As far as I know the ANG will hold onto their Hogs for the time being so they'll be around.
@@PhycoKruskI mean the gap in capability is “old bucket of bolts built to throw at Soviet armor with barely any sensors vs. most advanced fighter ever made with omnidirectional cutting edge sensor coverage that can dominate even modern air and ground threats”. Think that’s gonna outweigh any increase in cost. It’s only double the cost anyways, which will be lowered significantly once its production increases and it becomes operational.
Besides, it doesn’t make sense to worry about cost in this context since the F-35s are already there and have been and will be. They are a sunk cost, while the A-10 is an optional one.
@@jonathanpfeffer3716 Using the A-10 also provides a low cost alternative, which frees up the existing F-35s for _other_ missions.
For close air support perhaps the A10, for everything else, the F15
Ask the guy on the ground which plane they would rather have support them. Different planes for different jobs. Maybe send out a 2 ship one of each, 15 to clear airspace and provide limited ground support and the 10 to support troops.
i loved this style of cinema with all the long shots of the aircraft getting hit and crashing down. keep up the good work my man
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A10 f15 combo would be a devastating team
A-10 is probably still better at pure ground attack/support, with the payload, loiter time, and of course the Avenger. The Strike Eagle is an awesome multirole platform, especially with it's ability to self-escort, and very capable in the ground attack/support role.
I think both platforms have their place, and which should be tasked for a given mission probably depends on the local situation.
the avenger is really really good at killing friendlies and civilians while failing to penetrate enemy cover and armor
@poopyickydoodooobama09 Yeah, in real world conditions, the data seems to show that the gun, while epic, isn't any better than unguided rocket pods when it comes to precision or effect.
Strike Eagle has a higher payload.
I'm gonna pick you back off with another commenter. Said the a 10 is good for one thing. Killing friendly's and civilians.
@@hawkeye2816 That's interesting, I didn't know that.
While I would assume the A-10 is still better at conventional ground support, I admit that it's possible in today's world of stand-off munitions the Eagle may actually be a more effective platform. I'm not familiar enough with the effectiveness of 30mm vs 20mm to weigh in on that argument, and with smart weapons I don't know if even loiter time matters as much as it once did; I'd have to let those more knowledgeable than me speak on that one.
Those chopper kills were ace! 😂 Love the F-15, I had Starscream and Thundercracker Transformer toys as a kid along with Gobot Leader 1, couldn't get enough of it! 😊 Can the A-10 use the JDAM? Is there any loadout that it can have that the Strike Eagle can't match? It's a cool new jet but i love the classic F-15 more than the missile truck.
A-10C and A-10C II yes I believe so. A-10A no.
A-10 can only carry air to ground bombs in more quantity as it was made for that role and hence why was kept sub sonic. Also the F-15E is a bomb truck, not a missile truck.
A-10C can have full precision CAS loadout with Mavericks + APKWS, Strike Eagle cant
If I had to choose a strike without much loiter time, especially if the airspace was contested, I'd go Strike Eagle every time. If an A-10 has air cover that gets shot down it's gonna make that Hog drivers job a lot more stressful.
The only thing missing from those Mi-8 kills was the pilot screaming sound effect!! Great video GS. see you on the next one.
Did my dude just say “is there no one else?” GS turning into Achilles over here! Haha, love the videos bud!
GS - thank you for the quality content. Appreciate your technical military aviation knowledge. Please consider more China v US/Allies/NATO scenarios in the SCS. Provides valuable insight for those of us on the sidelines and not in the fight anymore. Thank you for your content and consideration.
Semi-related - saw an image of an IAF single seat F-15 Baz Eagle sorteing with Jdams in recent events.
Single seat Eagles with bombs is always an odd sight
They have done this in the past also.
8:00 - They're going to start calling you Crazy Ivan.
Wonderful flying! I'd love to see some F35 missions
love the videos, keep up the good work
I think the better plane depends on the specific situation. If you have a large enemy armor column rolling up on a ground base, where you have air superiority, the A-10 is probably the better option. If you're going after a fixed defensive position in enemy territory though, the F-15 can take it out without really exposing itself, and can take out any airborne targets at a range that most of them won't be able to hit back (unless it's going up against more modern units, and even then...). I think if you're unsure, the F-15 is the better option, as it's more versatile.
It depends on the what the ground pounders need. The A-10 can stay on station longer with more A-G ordinance You don't have the range of weapons to respond to a lot of different ground threats.
Bro your content is always fantastic. Every time your knowledge is backed up with impressive results.
Ideally you use both - you have the F-15 come in and sanitize the airspace then the A-10 can come in and provide CAS - it has the ability to loiter in the area and make itself available to the ground forces as needed.
Watching the F15E is way more fun. Thank you for making these videos!
Went to Wright-Patterson over the weekend, there's an Eagle sitting out front, looking menacing just standing still...
love the vids keep up the good work
I don't really think it's a fair comparison. They are both very good at what they were designed to do. If you need air cleaning then the F15 is the choice, but ground support is still really good for the A10. I like both craft, but definitely have differing roles.
It's entirely fair. The problem is that the A-10 can only do 1 job, whereas the F15 can do nearly all of them. If you're just talking about a strike, then with the amount of ordinance an F15 can carry, there isn't much it can't get done. The only area the A-10 wins in is loitering/time on target. It's a great plane, and it does its job well, but there's a reason it's being phased out, and that's because other planes can do the job as well and then some.
There is an article in warzone how A-10 pilots mentioned how the F-18E would be a good platform to do this. Could you test that?
GS: Sterilizes the AO
Enemy: Alright maybe this was a ba(Sound of explosions and the roar of GS barrel rolling out of the AO and RTB)
GS: Thank for the invite guys, let me know when the next party is.
Autorotations are a wonderful landing solution for rotary aircraft, and just not available to fixed wings. But their weakness is that they require the helicopter to still be intact…
That 2nd helli had me full pucker factor. Thought you were going to take him out with the jet.
Achilles: "Is there no one else?"
Good stuff.
8:16 that shot was SO SICK!
A10 is a dependable work horse, but the Eagle is a sexy beast that gets what it wants all the time. Know which bird I'd rather fly and it aint the 'Hog' !
And award to that first Frogfoot driver for Best Jinking in a Hopeless Situation.
Could try a rematch of the "modernized" Tomcat with the long range fox-3s against the Mig-25 Foxbat.
I just love the M-i8 Hip, it’s such a majestic helo.
Keep using the movie quotes, love it.
love your videos bro
The Mudhen is on par with the Hornet and Rhino in my opinion. Being able to roll in, dominate the airspace, and then lay down hate and discontent on whatever poor bastards on the ground that pissed off the pilot at the push of a button. The A-10 cannot say the same.
Ka-50 (unsure of 52) does have an ejection system. There is a mechanism that blasts off the rotor blades first and then the seat after.
8:51 -- looks like you died there clipping that tree.
From actual (DCS) experience, being in an A-10C needing to deal with anything in the air changes how your operate super quickly. I'm sure this is why they just give these jets a quick "master mode" switch which is more necessary switching into fighting air (probably merged or close to) as opposed to fighting ground, when you would have located and identified a target, and come up with a decision on what kind of ordinace you're using aginst it. Realistically pilots are hardly ever intentionally sent on a multirole A/A+A/G mission. Needing to have situational awareness for both is too heavy of tasking for one pilot certainly, and radars can only be placed in one mode or the other even for twin seat like the F-15E. If there's any enemy air, it's almost certainly the highest level threat compared to anything other than advanced SAMs. I also know from A/G Ka-50 experience, that it's non-trivial to notice air creeping in when your performance visual searches for enemy targets in cover through the Shkval. You're literally searching through ground clutter and don't have a lot of spare checks for incoming missiles sites or aircraft flying around in your vicinity. At least A-10C has RWR so you shouldn't be fully crept up on by sensibly acting enemy air who would have located you through radar in the first place.
Could you please fly an I-16 against an F-22?
I'd like to see some F-5 action maybe against a Tomcat or an F-18
He already did the F-5 vs. Tomcat. Not sure about F-18.
Careful. Looks like that JDAM hung up. :)
Its always so satisfying when he drops tanks
I hope that missing j-dam didn’t hit someone’s outhouse!
There is no better. It is best for the role. The mission required a strike. You used a strike platform that can incidentally provide air superiority. If it were about strikes and CAS, the A10 is the correct delivery platform.
A10 for support for ground troops, but the gun on the A10 would rip apart the F15 eagle. In short, they (A10 and F15) are designed for specific situations.
Different platform for different jobs. Strike Eagle is surely better in a mixed environment, but the A10 has better survivability, loiter time and a wider range of air to ground munitions.
The F-15 and A-10 just serve very different roles. If you're only buying one for your air force, though, the choice is obvious.
It depends on who you are and what your priorities are. The ground troops certainly appreciate the F-15 removing the threats over their heads but the casualties they took while that was happening sure would have loved some persistent CAS focused solely on keeping them alive and unharmed. Not to mention the feeling you get as one of those ground troops when you realize the air force already plastered your mission objective and your suffering was superfluous. See the relevant scene from the movie Jarhead. Any and all CAS is appreciated but I give it to the A-10 always. I understand the A-10 is aging badly but I hope they build something or things to take over it's essential mission. - an Infantryman
Good points here. I would also respectfully submit aircraft selection would be situationally dependent.
Light contested air space and a buttload of ground targets the A-10 gets the nod. Highly contested airspace and less ground support, the F-15.
Both are great aircraft but the A-10 still very much has a clearly defined role that I'm not sure even the F-35 would be able to fill.
You were so close so so close give the people what they want su-57 versus ah-64 Apache!
that helicopter kills were epic
you know you're flying too high when a Strike Eagle can squeeze between your belly and trees
6:45 forgot that the Betty was falling 😂
11:32 Yes sir you yeet a JDAM into an orphanage 😂
Could we see some F35 missions? Interested to see how it would compare
Unpopular but GS has just proved what bean counters have lobbied for - retiring A-10 with a fast jet.
You have a platform that when the basic airframe was designed the mantra down at McD n' D was "not one pound for air to ground"
So why WOULDN'T it work better as airspace bleach vs something designed specifically to kill ground targets?
I mean, yeah... it turns out the eagle makes a pretty good strike platform... hopefully they gave one hell of a Christmas bonus to whatever propellerhead came up with the "these F111s and F4s are getting old... what if we doll a new production eagle D up with a state of the art terrain mapping radar, all sorts of sensor pods, and then load it up the wazoo with stuff that goes boom when it hits the ground and see if its as good as an aardvark? "
A-10 out payloads the F-15 for sure, but for this mission it didn't matter so much. Having the rockets and mavericks seems to have worked well for you in the past. Can the F-15 carry cluster munitions?
The F-15E can carry cluster munitions, but comes up short when it comes to AGMs or rockets.
@@malusignatius"F-13E" 😳
That must've been an early Lockheed 4th gen fighter in another timeline
@@stevemc6010
Whoops.
I'll go and correct that. :P
Question should be, how many A-10s can you send in for the same financial costs as one Strike Eagle?
Day one of helping the guy with Apache vs su-57 (you have to do it at this rate!)
I was served in Iraq and Afghanistan. Nothing was better then an A-10 or Apache on station. The F-15 and F-16s came and went in seconds. That said the airspace was completely uncontested. Time was also a major factor. Nothing moved quickly during engagements on ours or their side. A peer to peer conflict moves much faster as the Russian invasion of Ukrainian has shown.
They are both needed.
A-10 and F-15 SE for ground and sky clearing.
you should do 2 part videos! Like one has the F15 come through to sanitize the airspace. then you follow up with the A10 you did all the sanitizing for.
It’s almost like asking what is the most important tire on a car. Could you drive with just the front two or the rear two? Maybe. But it’s so much better with a full set.
I think it just depends on the particular mission for which platform is better
There is a difference between ground attack and close air support. Being able to hit targets with friendly units 100 yards away is far easier to do in the A-10. The Warthog can also take far more damage than the Eagle.
Please create a vid with both The F-15E and A-10C working together!🙏
11:43 one way to find out👍 have them on the same team however competing in a way!
Lol idk day at least 120 ;)
The A10 can loiter and hold a truckload of armament, so it has its place for CAS in clear airspace. In my unqualified opinion.
Easy Saturday in office 😃✌🏻
Hard to speak ill of the A10. I love the gun.
F-15, but I think u should try the F35 as a ground strike platform and try it with some external hard points. Can carry a fat payload.
F-15 vs bathhouse is next
I'm still curious about that third jdam 😳
Rec for the Troy reference if nothing else.
A-10 for CAS, especially anti-armor. Hard to argue against multi-role of F-15 though.
Seemed like you were flying the eagle like the A-10. Instead of having to dodge that SA-13, why not fly above its engagement capabilities and jdam from above?
A-10's problem is the gun and the older models having no smart weapons. The gun has a 12 meter radius for a bullseye... So it's longer than a bus. Means that danger close gunning is where the blue on blue comes. Using smart weapons is far better and smarter. Not as impressive as the gun run, but safer for everyone.
They compliment each other, F 15 can "sanitize" air space while the A 10 spends a long time on ground targets. Kind of the late honorable senator McCain's point when he stopped the A 10 retirement cold. RIP.
this is interesting 🚁⚒️🛩
Just thought of a scenario GS. A Spectre is performing CSA for troops in contact in what is supposed to be uncontested airspace when they detect su-27s? mig29s? your choice bearing down on it and needs help.
I think you'd struggle to find another aircraft able to carry as much ordnance as an A-10 in combination with its loitering time. The F-15 is more of an "go in, drop soem stuff, go out" aircraft, and you'd have to send probably 2-3 F15 to do the job of one A-10.
Speaking solely of ground targets, obviously. The F-15 is way more versatile. I'd say it depends on the mission profile which aircraft is better suited for the job.
also maybe do a comparison with troops in contact, they get ambushed and you need to support them, more of personal vs personal and all just armor, id imagine the a-10 would be easier to climate targets ambushing from buildings etc with its gun and lower speeds
AH-64 vs Su-57 felon this is the will of the force
Pretty sure the F15 is still mad at the A10 for that sidewinder
F4 Phantom vs F8 Crusader !
Comparing a multirole a/c to an attack a/c.... as presented, multirole, a field of tanks, attack.
Repeat in F/A 18, another multirole that would be very similar to presented with F15E...imo.
Cheers and thanks O7
More Eagle please
su-57 vs apache please!
F-15E was a great choice for this mission.
a-10 id imagine is better for close air support, especially troop on troop contact where it can get a little more up close and personal, id imagine also cheaper to operate
A10 is never an air to air or even a dedicated Ground attack fighter but a Anti-armor CAS (Close Air Support) aircraft. People misunderstood it because it performed a lot of other missions against monkey armys like Iraq, Afganistan where the enemy's anti aircraft capabilities were destroyed in days by other advanced aircrafts and their fighter aircrafts were also more or less get disabled. A10's main use is to support forward moving of ground troops against small firearms, armored vehicles where the distance between them is too small for a precision airstrike using a supersonic jet. F-16, F-15 are very fast moving jets and they don't have the ability to attack ground targets in such precision like A10 can. In Jungle warefare or Urban warfare where just a handful of enemy hiding behind structures with high Caliber machineguns, RPG, Mortars, can prevent even a numercially superior Groudn team and Supersonic Fighter and Strike aircrafts are useless in these kind of situations but A10 is. On top of that, A10 is practically invulnerable against machinegun and MANPAD, allowing it to move very slow and low to support the groudn troops.