Not only that, while faster, those ships are incredible small in dimensions for the job they do. For example, the USCSS Covenant is roughly the same lenght of an Halo's Autunn-class Heavy Cruiser. But it lacks mass, armor, weapons, proper FTL and Jump device, shields (after the war)... The USS Auriga instead is even bigger than an Autumn-class, but still half of the Infinite-class. But the Auriga comes from a different era of Alien, so it's kinda hard to fit the ship in the proper context. It's like comparing a sailing vessel from 1800 with a nuclear submarine. It's a bit odd. While all the ships of Halo used by humans belong to the war-period era that spans just 30 years.
There are no Faster than light ships in the Alien universe Why did the crew of prometheus have to be in stasis if the trip only took 2 years and was traveling 15 times the speed of light
@@FP194 no, they wasn't travel at that speed. Maybe it was 15% of speed of light. And yes, there's no FTL technology. What they call "FTL" is just a ship accelerating a good part of the speed of light and then decelerating. That's it.
@@FP194 As it is stated in the description of tachyon shunt (which is known as a real thing for FTL travels in Aliens universe) it transforms entire ship within its field of influence to tachyons that are moving FTL on their own. Tachyons require a lot of energy to be slowed down, just like common propulsion systems require more and more energy to bring ships speed closer and closer to speed of light (they kinda mirror normal particles relative to speed of light). It works as a loaded spring which is being hold by shunt and a lot of energy. When released, tachyon shunt launches ship (which is made of tachyons by that point) to extreme FTL speed that is normal for tachyons without slowdown. Cryopods are required because of time distortion effects that happen during tachyon shunt FTL jumps (time onboard moves quite a bit slower), it allows crew to survive and age normaly by slowing their metabolism. This causes another downside effect - upper limit of speed, when reached any travel would become immesurably long and thus deadly for crew onboard. It also requires energy to slow down spacecraft after acceleration, somewhere in the middle of its way
2years is a long time though isnt it for a full crew. 2 years of food for every person. 2 years of water? 2 years of going to the toilet.....yeh best go in stasis me thinks @@FP194
The Nostromo is the one that I've come to love because of all the work spent of making the interior so believable. What I'd really like to know is how the Derelicts engines(?) work.
Yeah no, the Patna was a Conestoga-class for civil purpose. It was literally stripped from any offensive weapons and equipped with labs, hospital, etc. But apart from that, it was identical to the Sulaco.
Great video, however! I must point out that Romulus is the name of one section of a Space Station in the up coming Alien Romulus. Inspired by Romulus and Remus!
Mankind in Alien universe is still young to develop more efficient ways to travel FTL. In Halo, by the year 2300 circa, the UNSC is able to use "hyperjumps". Basically they developed a device to open wormholes able to bring the ship from a point to another of the galaxy. In Alien humans just accelerate ships to crazy speed in order to shorter distances. But it will never be perfect such approach. It will always take more than what is acceptable for humans. Unless we don't make our life longer... Of course. But it will never happen either. So Alien universe remain a place where life is hard, mysteries are still a thing and there's a lot of space between you and the next safe port. In a sense, it's perfect for an horror story.
@danielefabbro822 What? Humanity in the Aliens-verse has FTL drives. They use tachyon shunts aka displacement drives to travel FTL. It's just that they're slow. Like the fastest ships can do about 1.63 light years per day.
@@warellis yes, indeed, but that technically isn't FTL. You know, if you match or overcome the speed of light in real space, you get some obvious problems. First of all is time: light moves fast, but if you cross that limit then time will slow down to the point it will not work at all. In Halo they turn around that problem by generating wormholes that cut through space and time a way to arrive where they want in relativistic times. It's way kore efficient. Not to mention that even if the Alien tachyon tech is fast (relatively of course), it will always require half of the voyage to slow down. So travel around star systems will ALWAYS take long times. It's a problem I'm facing in my novel about an "USCM - Covenant War" and... I'm sad to say that but the Covenant can obliterate every UAAC fleets and ships they encounter. If Halo UNSC Navy was at least able to keep up with Covenant agility in space, in Alien the UAAC have total absolute naval inferiority. It came a bit handy the fact the UAAC ships uses energy weapons that can affect Covenant shields and grant them a margin of safety during space engagements... but they have no shields like Human-Cpvenant War-era UNSC ships. Unlike UNSC ships however, they are not equipped with Titanium-A armors that are heavily resistent to heat, and so to Covenant plasma rounds. In the books for example, the UNSC Pillar of Autumn refitted was able to hold her ground against conventional Covenant plasma artillery and just suffer from the more destructive plasma torpedoes. UAAC ships have nothing like that. Except for the two main lasers of the classic Conestoga-class, they rely on light naval conventional artillery and to missiles to attack enemy vessels... and if the enemy shield is able to sustain a barrage from MAC guns of Halo, the light naval artillery of a Conestoga will not even scratch the shield of a CCS-class Ket-pattern Covenant Heavy Cruiser. So Covies can easily engage even in close quarters, entire UAAC formations without actually suffer casualties. In that sense, the best the UAAC can do is split forces and attack the enemy from multiple directions in order to get a lucky shoot on Covenant targets... but still the repulsion drives of a CCS-class are way faster than the less reliable Fusion engines of the Conestoga-class. I can just figure it out that after some time the UAAC will try to upgrade the Conestoga-class like the UNSC did with the Pillar of Autumn and make a more reliable ship... yet we talk about dwarfs fighting giants. A CCS-class cruiser is roughly 1782 meters long... a Conestoga-class is just 385 meters long. 90.7 millions metric tons vs 78.000 metric tons of ship... It's an inhuman fight for such ships. For comparison, the UNSC frigates like the Paris-class is 535 meters long and have 1.3 millions metric tons of displacement. The Conestoga-class wile being a good ship is damn small and weak for the task. They will be wiped out like flies.
@@danielefabbro822 What the hell do the Covenant have to do with the Aliensverse? Like I'm reading this reply and I am legitimately confused. It's gibberish. And your rambling, claiming humanity in the Aliensverse doesn't have FTL, is a straight up lie. Aliensverse ships use tachyon shunt hyperdrives that convert a ship into a state composed of tachyons, and thus cannot travel slower than light when the drive is activated. Humanity in the Haloverse, on the other hand, uses slipspace, a type of hyperspace (an alternate dimension) to side step relativity. And of course Conestoga troop transports aren't battleships. They're troop transports. Like your reply is just gibberish and rambling.
@@warellis for absurd the USM Auriga could have been a more reasonable vessel to oppose to the Covenant. With her 3657 meters long its roughly two and half times longer of a CCS-class cruiser. Unfortunately the USM Auriga was just a research ship and most importantly it's a ship from 2381... far away from the classic ships and United Americas era between 2170 and 2190... So no USM Auriga in the novel. I just try to add an upgraded version of the Conestoga-class with improved armor, weaponry and Marine complement. Plus, if possible, some improvements on the engine drives... these ships are already small as f*ck... they need to be agile to avoid direct hits from the Covenant ships. But they are more advanced than the retro tech of the UAAC... so here another huge gap to fill. I can just suppose that another improvement these ships needs is an improved MU/TH/ER mainframes, maybe a 9000 series or even better, even if such advanced mainframes are said to be able to become self-aware. It will fill the absence of Cortana... Or maybe the Alien "Cortana equivalent" could be a Synthetic... why not? I was more likely to use them as counterpart for UNSC ODST but... it could fit the purpose. In any case, the naval engagement that I'll show in the novel will see UAAC fleet being systematically wiped out without too much effort from the Covenant. With the even smaller "Bison" and "Corvus" classes used as infiltrator ships to board Covenant ships in numbers. But here a thing... It was said that the Bison-class (CM-88B "Bison" M-class, the USCSS Nostromo) have a total lenght lf 334 meters... In short is basically roughly the same of a Conestoga-class... that's sounds weird to me. It can't be like that. Both ships looks like having way different dimensions and if it's up to me, the Conestoga would at least be around 700 meters long while the Bison-class would be barely 300 meters long. With equivalent displacement of metric tons. I can just figure out that Alien developers have had no clear vision of what is a spaceship and how it works. Conestoga-class troop transport barely able to carry a single platoon per voyage? What? It's a joke right? UNSC cruisers can carry thousands of troops to reach a Battallion-size unit worthy of troops complement. How exactly the UAAC hopes to carry out a war in space? Using 3500 Conestoga ships to carry a whole Regiment? It's pointless and stupid. Let me fix it by increasing the dimension of the ship. In that way a single vessel can potentially carry enough troops to conduct independent operations for 3-4 months without support. That's how you do space warfare. And the Bisons and Corvus are potentially excellent vessels to conduct black-ops operations. Bisons are the UAAC equivalent to the UNSC frigates. They not only can carry out a small contingent of troops (without vehicles), but are tiny and so invisible, with a bit of specific work to madk thermal radiations these ships can become invisible. The Corvus ships (CM-90S "Corvus" G-class) like the Anesidora in Alien Isolation are even smaller. They can be the equivalent of the ONI Prowlers used for proper black-ops. Using Synthetic equivalent-ODST troops to infiltrate Covenant ships and, with the help of the Company... release "biological weapons" in it... 😈 In a war of extinction you don't care about moral aspects and consequences of using Xenomorphs against your enemies in order to survive, right? So these little ships can easily sneak in enemy Covenant formations during combat against Conestoga line ships and land inside Covenant big ships. A Corvus (that btw it have a name that is almost prophetic since the "Corvus" was the grapling hook the Romans used to board Carthaginian vessels) that lands inside a Kerel-pattern CAS assaukt carrier of the lenght of 5347 meters while being itself roughly just 250 meters long is just a mosquito on the shoulder of an elephant... but if that mosquito carries a nuke or Xenomorphs... that is the end of the carrier. Of course the nuke is faster than Xeno, but both have the same effects. I can only imagine that both UAAC and Weyland&Yutani can use the Xenomorphs to wipe out the alien crew and get in that way a fully functional Covenant ship for retro-engineering. That would be a huge victory for the UAAC... of course, IF they are also able to wipe out the Xenomorph hive that will take possess of the ship... and considering that Xeno usually takes genetical traits from their hosts... I can just imagine that Xenomorphs born from Sangheili and Jiralhanae could possibly be a nightmare even for the already deadly lethal Crushers and Pretorians. But that would just increase the "horror factor" right? It will be cool. 😈😎👍
Why do you show a drawing of the Patna that is a completely different ship than the Patna in Alien 3? In the film, the Patna looks very close to a Conestoga class cruiser like the Sulaco. What gives?
In AVP, don't all human ships such as Nostromo and Sulaco have any form of FTL Drive equivalent to either Star Trek Warp Drive or a Star Wars Hyperdrive, where you can travel from other Star System to Star System without too much relying on Cryo Pods for hypersleep?
Funny the Alien has shown up at level ones in star wars I wish the Predator was in the star wars they would be perfect they would definitely work with the Mandalorians And the Covenant from halo
In Star Wars Legends (the good pre disney star wars lore) the original species that created the Mandalorian culture, the Taung, was inspired by the Predator alien.
USS Patna is a Conestoga Class Starship similiar in the design of the USS Sulaco. Patna is different to the Sulaco as it is able to enter the atmosphere similiar with the W-Y FTL spacecrafts.
I don’t know where you are getting that these ships were faster than light ? It is mentioned no where in the lore If the Nostromo could travel 43 times the speed of light why did they need to be in stasis and why did the crew say it was going to take longer to get home after stopping at LV426
Kinda weird to think that ships from Aliens can out run a lot of ships from Star trek
Not only that, while faster, those ships are incredible small in dimensions for the job they do.
For example, the USCSS Covenant is roughly the same lenght of an Halo's Autunn-class Heavy Cruiser.
But it lacks mass, armor, weapons, proper FTL and Jump device, shields (after the war)...
The USS Auriga instead is even bigger than an Autumn-class, but still half of the Infinite-class.
But the Auriga comes from a different era of Alien, so it's kinda hard to fit the ship in the proper context.
It's like comparing a sailing vessel from 1800 with a nuclear submarine. It's a bit odd.
While all the ships of Halo used by humans belong to the war-period era that spans just 30 years.
There are no Faster than light ships in the Alien universe
Why did the crew of prometheus have to be in stasis if the trip only took 2 years and was traveling 15 times the speed of light
@@FP194 no, they wasn't travel at that speed. Maybe it was 15% of speed of light.
And yes, there's no FTL technology. What they call "FTL" is just a ship accelerating a good part of the speed of light and then decelerating. That's it.
@@FP194 As it is stated in the description of tachyon shunt (which is known as a real thing for FTL travels in Aliens universe) it transforms entire ship within its field of influence to tachyons that are moving FTL on their own. Tachyons require a lot of energy to be slowed down, just like common propulsion systems require more and more energy to bring ships speed closer and closer to speed of light (they kinda mirror normal particles relative to speed of light). It works as a loaded spring which is being hold by shunt and a lot of energy. When released, tachyon shunt launches ship (which is made of tachyons by that point) to extreme FTL speed that is normal for tachyons without slowdown. Cryopods are required because of time distortion effects that happen during tachyon shunt FTL jumps (time onboard moves quite a bit slower), it allows crew to survive and age normaly by slowing their metabolism. This causes another downside effect - upper limit of speed, when reached any travel would become immesurably long and thus deadly for crew onboard. It also requires energy to slow down spacecraft after acceleration, somewhere in the middle of its way
2years is a long time though isnt it for a full crew. 2 years of food for every person. 2 years of water? 2 years of going to the toilet.....yeh best go in stasis me thinks @@FP194
The Nostromo is the one that I've come to love because of all the work spent of making the interior so believable. What I'd really like to know is how the Derelicts engines(?) work.
the nostromo set was reused as the interior of the Vogon constructor ship in the Good Hitchhiker series
Anyone else notice the Enterprise-D at about 6:48
I had to rewind it to make sure. I thought my eyes were deceiving me lol
Good eyes. Kirk vs. Alien!
Yeah no, the Patna was a Conestoga-class for civil purpose. It was literally stripped from any offensive weapons and equipped with labs, hospital, etc.
But apart from that, it was identical to the Sulaco.
I ❤️ the Betty.
Probably my favorite sci-fi ship ever.
Her lines are just so beautiful.
Great video, however! I must point out that Romulus is the name of one section of a Space Station in the up coming Alien Romulus. Inspired by Romulus and Remus!
You should look up a fan made series called star wars vs War Hammer 40k It's amazing and I highly recommended and you should react to it
It's awesome
I had to stop at about 2 light years per day. Man.... that is fast. It would still take about 180 years to cross the milky way (end to end).
Mankind in Alien universe is still young to develop more efficient ways to travel FTL.
In Halo, by the year 2300 circa, the UNSC is able to use "hyperjumps". Basically they developed a device to open wormholes able to bring the ship from a point to another of the galaxy.
In Alien humans just accelerate ships to crazy speed in order to shorter distances. But it will never be perfect such approach. It will always take more than what is acceptable for humans. Unless we don't make our life longer... Of course. But it will never happen either.
So Alien universe remain a place where life is hard, mysteries are still a thing and there's a lot of space between you and the next safe port.
In a sense, it's perfect for an horror story.
@danielefabbro822 What? Humanity in the Aliens-verse has FTL drives. They use tachyon shunts aka displacement drives to travel FTL. It's just that they're slow. Like the fastest ships can do about 1.63 light years per day.
@@warellis yes, indeed, but that technically isn't FTL.
You know, if you match or overcome the speed of light in real space, you get some obvious problems.
First of all is time: light moves fast, but if you cross that limit then time will slow down to the point it will not work at all.
In Halo they turn around that problem by generating wormholes that cut through space and time a way to arrive where they want in relativistic times.
It's way kore efficient.
Not to mention that even if the Alien tachyon tech is fast (relatively of course), it will always require half of the voyage to slow down.
So travel around star systems will ALWAYS take long times.
It's a problem I'm facing in my novel about an "USCM - Covenant War" and... I'm sad to say that but the Covenant can obliterate every UAAC fleets and ships they encounter.
If Halo UNSC Navy was at least able to keep up with Covenant agility in space, in Alien the UAAC have total absolute naval inferiority.
It came a bit handy the fact the UAAC ships uses energy weapons that can affect Covenant shields and grant them a margin of safety during space engagements... but they have no shields like Human-Cpvenant War-era UNSC ships.
Unlike UNSC ships however, they are not equipped with Titanium-A armors that are heavily resistent to heat, and so to Covenant plasma rounds.
In the books for example, the UNSC Pillar of Autumn refitted was able to hold her ground against conventional Covenant plasma artillery and just suffer from the more destructive plasma torpedoes.
UAAC ships have nothing like that.
Except for the two main lasers of the classic Conestoga-class, they rely on light naval conventional artillery and to missiles to attack enemy vessels... and if the enemy shield is able to sustain a barrage from MAC guns of Halo, the light naval artillery of a Conestoga will not even scratch the shield of a CCS-class Ket-pattern Covenant Heavy Cruiser.
So Covies can easily engage even in close quarters, entire UAAC formations without actually suffer casualties.
In that sense, the best the UAAC can do is split forces and attack the enemy from multiple directions in order to get a lucky shoot on Covenant targets... but still the repulsion drives of a CCS-class are way faster than the less reliable Fusion engines of the Conestoga-class.
I can just figure it out that after some time the UAAC will try to upgrade the Conestoga-class like the UNSC did with the Pillar of Autumn and make a more reliable ship... yet we talk about dwarfs fighting giants.
A CCS-class cruiser is roughly 1782 meters long... a Conestoga-class is just 385 meters long.
90.7 millions metric tons vs 78.000 metric tons of ship... It's an inhuman fight for such ships.
For comparison, the UNSC frigates like the Paris-class is 535 meters long and have 1.3 millions metric tons of displacement.
The Conestoga-class wile being a good ship is damn small and weak for the task.
They will be wiped out like flies.
@@danielefabbro822 What the hell do the Covenant have to do with the Aliensverse? Like I'm reading this reply and I am legitimately confused. It's gibberish.
And your rambling, claiming humanity in the Aliensverse doesn't have FTL, is a straight up lie. Aliensverse ships use tachyon shunt hyperdrives that convert a ship into a state composed of tachyons, and thus cannot travel slower than light when the drive is activated.
Humanity in the Haloverse, on the other hand, uses slipspace, a type of hyperspace (an alternate dimension) to side step relativity.
And of course Conestoga troop transports aren't battleships. They're troop transports. Like your reply is just gibberish and rambling.
@@warellis for absurd the USM Auriga could have been a more reasonable vessel to oppose to the Covenant.
With her 3657 meters long its roughly two and half times longer of a CCS-class cruiser.
Unfortunately the USM Auriga was just a research ship and most importantly it's a ship from 2381... far away from the classic ships and United Americas era between 2170 and 2190...
So no USM Auriga in the novel.
I just try to add an upgraded version of the Conestoga-class with improved armor, weaponry and Marine complement. Plus, if possible, some improvements on the engine drives... these ships are already small as f*ck... they need to be agile to avoid direct hits from the Covenant ships. But they are more advanced than the retro tech of the UAAC... so here another huge gap to fill.
I can just suppose that another improvement these ships needs is an improved MU/TH/ER mainframes, maybe a 9000 series or even better, even if such advanced mainframes are said to be able to become self-aware. It will fill the absence of Cortana...
Or maybe the Alien "Cortana equivalent" could be a Synthetic... why not? I was more likely to use them as counterpart for UNSC ODST but... it could fit the purpose.
In any case, the naval engagement that I'll show in the novel will see UAAC fleet being systematically wiped out without too much effort from the Covenant.
With the even smaller "Bison" and "Corvus" classes used as infiltrator ships to board Covenant ships in numbers.
But here a thing... It was said that the Bison-class (CM-88B "Bison" M-class, the USCSS Nostromo) have a total lenght lf 334 meters... In short is basically roughly the same of a Conestoga-class... that's sounds weird to me. It can't be like that.
Both ships looks like having way different dimensions and if it's up to me, the Conestoga would at least be around 700 meters long while the Bison-class would be barely 300 meters long. With equivalent displacement of metric tons.
I can just figure out that Alien developers have had no clear vision of what is a spaceship and how it works.
Conestoga-class troop transport barely able to carry a single platoon per voyage? What? It's a joke right?
UNSC cruisers can carry thousands of troops to reach a Battallion-size unit worthy of troops complement.
How exactly the UAAC hopes to carry out a war in space? Using 3500 Conestoga ships to carry a whole Regiment? It's pointless and stupid. Let me fix it by increasing the dimension of the ship.
In that way a single vessel can potentially carry enough troops to conduct independent operations for 3-4 months without support. That's how you do space warfare.
And the Bisons and Corvus are potentially excellent vessels to conduct black-ops operations.
Bisons are the UAAC equivalent to the UNSC frigates. They not only can carry out a small contingent of troops (without vehicles), but are tiny and so invisible, with a bit of specific work to madk thermal radiations these ships can become invisible.
The Corvus ships (CM-90S "Corvus" G-class) like the Anesidora in Alien Isolation are even smaller.
They can be the equivalent of the ONI Prowlers used for proper black-ops. Using Synthetic equivalent-ODST troops to infiltrate Covenant ships and, with the help of the Company... release "biological weapons" in it... 😈 In a war of extinction you don't care about moral aspects and consequences of using Xenomorphs against your enemies in order to survive, right?
So these little ships can easily sneak in enemy Covenant formations during combat against Conestoga line ships and land inside Covenant big ships.
A Corvus (that btw it have a name that is almost prophetic since the "Corvus" was the grapling hook the Romans used to board Carthaginian vessels) that lands inside a Kerel-pattern CAS assaukt carrier of the lenght of 5347 meters while being itself roughly just 250 meters long is just a mosquito on the shoulder of an elephant... but if that mosquito carries a nuke or Xenomorphs... that is the end of the carrier. Of course the nuke is faster than Xeno, but both have the same effects.
I can only imagine that both UAAC and Weyland&Yutani can use the Xenomorphs to wipe out the alien crew and get in that way a fully functional Covenant ship for retro-engineering.
That would be a huge victory for the UAAC... of course, IF they are also able to wipe out the Xenomorph hive that will take possess of the ship... and considering that Xeno usually takes genetical traits from their hosts... I can just imagine that Xenomorphs born from Sangheili and Jiralhanae could possibly be a nightmare even for the already deadly lethal Crushers and Pretorians.
But that would just increase the "horror factor" right? It will be cool. 😈😎👍
I used to think ships in Alien movies took decades to reach their destinations, which was why the crews use cryogenic chambers.
Excellent review of these spaceships!! 👏👏
Why do you show a drawing of the Patna that is a completely different ship than the Patna in Alien 3? In the film, the Patna looks very close to a Conestoga class cruiser like the Sulaco. What gives?
In AVP, don't all human ships such as Nostromo and Sulaco have any form of FTL Drive equivalent to either Star Trek Warp Drive or a Star Wars Hyperdrive, where you can travel from other Star System to Star System without too much relying on Cryo Pods for hypersleep?
Funny the Alien has shown up at level ones in star wars
I wish the Predator was in the star wars they would be perfect they would definitely work with the Mandalorians
And the Covenant from halo
There is I.M.P.S. the Relentless that has done that. 😉👍
In Star Wars Legends (the good pre disney star wars lore) the original species that created the Mandalorian culture, the Taung, was inspired by the Predator alien.
@@RoboticPopeplease show us where Disney touched you
7:35 the outline of the ship from Alien 3 is similar to Sulaco.. It looks like this ship is of the same design
USS Patna is a Conestoga Class Starship similiar in the design of the USS Sulaco. Patna is different to the Sulaco as it is able to enter the atmosphere similiar with the W-Y FTL spacecrafts.
why is there a galaxy class stalking the Sulaco?!?! lol
2000c....SCREW Einstein!
There was only 2 Alien movies. Anything after Aliens doesn’t count.
I don’t know where you are getting that these ships were faster than light ? It is mentioned no where in the lore
If the Nostromo could travel 43 times the speed of light why did they need to be in stasis and why did the crew say it was going to take longer to get home after stopping at LV426
Probably the Colonial Marines Technical Manual
GREAT video!!! funny how the CGI newer ship aged bad and the real models build look great STILL.
So Covenant is half Jump Ship from Battletech?
There is more ships in the alien RPG