Are Short Scale Basses DEAD?! | The SBL Podcast Ep. 149

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  • So which is better - a long scale or a short scale bass guitar? If you’ve ever wondered which is the right scale length for you, you’ve come to the right place! In today’s episode, we’re taking a closer look at the key differences between short-scale and long-scale basses, the pros and cons of each, and we’ll give you a few recommendations of short-scale basses to check out for yourself.
    In this episode
    What is a short scale bass?
    Who plays one?
    Which is better, short-scale or long-scale?
    How does the scale length affect the sound?
    What short-scale basses does Ian recommend?
    And much, much more!
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    Video Breakdown:
    00:00 - Introduction
    02:16 - What Is a Short Scale Bass?
    05:52 - Mustang & Musicmaster - The Differences
    09:20 - Paul McCartney
    13:58 - Jack Bruce
    21:43 - Justin Meldal-Johnsen
    27:00 - Mike Kerr
    29:40 - Rob Mullarkey
    31:58 - Glen Campbell
    34:00 - The Pros of Short Scale Basses
    39:00 - The Cons of Short Scale Basses
    45:00 - ’67 Hofner Club
    46:36 - Fender Mustang
    47:43 - Guild Starfire
    50:30 - Nordstrand Acinonyx Cat Bass
    53:00 - Wilcock Mullarkey
    54:20 - Fender Bass VI
    57:40 - What Should We Cover Next?
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  • @andrewgrant1982
    @andrewgrant1982 Před měsícem +330

    I’m a small guy in a wheelchair, so I prefer the size of short scale basses, particularly for the body size, I recently bought myself a Gretsch G2220 Electromatic Junior Jet Bass II, and it’s the best bass I’ve ever played

    • @rome8180
      @rome8180 Před měsícem +25

      They also just sound different. They have a cool tone you can't get out of a long scale.

    • @jasonharris2291
      @jasonharris2291 Před měsícem +6

      I picked up a Junior Jet at a pawn shop and pulled the frets to make a fretless. It's unique and very fast playing.

    • @kristopher0815
      @kristopher0815 Před měsícem +3

      Have one too. bridge pickup only and plucking close to the neck you can really make it growl. 😎

    • @jeg1972
      @jeg1972 Před měsícem +3

      I've got a G2220 as well and I love them with flats on.

    • @SO-ym3zs
      @SO-ym3zs Před měsícem +4

      Of all my basses (various scales and manufacturers), that's the one I love and play the most. Awesome bass!

  • @jensbomholt4529
    @jensbomholt4529 Před měsícem +105

    The comments seem to indicate that short scale basses are not only alive and kicking, but well loved for their many advantages.
    Please, Scott, make another video with the title: "Are Long Scale Bass Players SNOBS?"
    And a blind-test comparisons, Scott, please: "Whas this played on a long scale bass or a short scale bass?" - complete with ratings from 1 to 10.

    • @mehAudio
      @mehAudio Před měsícem +5

      Retract and repent 😂

    • @tiltil9442
      @tiltil9442 Před měsícem +8

      The comments display a certain "culture" of being offended, too.
      I absolutely agree on the blind-test format - bring it, guys!

    • @C0urne
      @C0urne Před měsícem +7

      And not a solo bass track but in a mix with bass tracks played with different instruments. Nobody cares about solo bass other than a small number of bass players.

    • @jensbomholt4529
      @jensbomholt4529 Před měsícem +7

      @@C0urne Right: and let the same player play the same short piece with his band, several times, switching basses. Or not switching basses and using the "Leland Sklar switch trick" to change the sound. Also - instead of switching instruments, switch from two fingers to one finger to thumb to pick. Or let several wellknown bass CZcamsrs play both with their most hated and their most loved instruments to the same backing track.
      Would be highly entertaining to watch a bunch of "gear snobs" as they listen to such a blind test and try to find out what was what.

    • @cacadordorio
      @cacadordorio Před měsícem

      Only indie chicks plays short scale too look good

  • @KeithCollyer
    @KeithCollyer Před měsícem +215

    Let's face it, hatred of short-scale basses is nothing other than snobbishness. A short-scale on me looks bigger than a standard scale Ricky on Chris Squire

    • @tiltil9442
      @tiltil9442 Před měsícem +6

      Let's face it: No.
      And about your looks: not looking :)

    • @mal2ksc
      @mal2ksc Před měsícem +13

      If there was a "Don't recommend this channel for the next two weeks" button, I'd be using it right now.

    • @DruEllz
      @DruEllz Před měsícem +3

      How about hatred of short-scale basses is just hatred of short-scale basses? Or are you saying that anyone who doesn't like exactly what you like is a snob? Bizarre choice of word, btw.

    • @KeithCollyer
      @KeithCollyer Před měsícem +7

      @@DruEllz If Leo Fender's first bass had been 30" scale, you would have people saying 34" basses look wrong. It's OK not to like something, but have a reason other than it's not what I'm used to. I like 30" and 34", my 5-string is 35".

    • @jamesmelton7637
      @jamesmelton7637 Před měsícem +3

      The dislike is based on the sound. They don't sound the same. All the short scale players say this "the sound is so cool". Well a lot of us full scale players are saying "nope that sound is not cool, but dude you do you."

  • @michelleinwi6919
    @michelleinwi6919 Před měsícem +56

    Wow I’m surprised by the negative judgement at the beginning of this. For a bass informational and “appreciation” channel. Sorta bummed by it. I have and play short scale AND full scale. They have their pros and cons. I know they got to that, but just surprised Scott would be so down on them and the people that play them.

    • @C0urne
      @C0urne Před měsícem +5

      It's not a surprise. These are the guys that make endless videos on P- and J-basses as they were the only proper instruments. Plus the other guy not Scott likes a Thunderbird because of its design flaws.

    • @holliefitzzz
      @holliefitzzz Před měsícem +1

      a long scale can also look ridic on the wrong person looks like someones picking fruit out the tree

    • @holliefitzzz
      @holliefitzzz Před měsícem +2

      was just a bit sexist at times this video even if indirectly

    • @C0urne
      @C0urne Před měsícem

      @@holliefitzzz I'd say it's better to ignore the instrument to person proportions.

    • @robertp457
      @robertp457 Před 26 dny

      I don't know why people didn't get that Scott was just making fun of Ian, because Ian is very tall and has and plays many short scale basses. It had nothing to do with making fun of anyone else who plays short scale basses or short scale basses at all.

  • @rome8180
    @rome8180 Před měsícem +219

    Isn't it just the opposite? I've noticed that short scale basses have become MORE trendy in recent years, not LESS. And it's not for the ease of play. It's for the sound.

    • @studiodsr
      @studiodsr Před měsícem +10

      Very true but mostly in the indie / alternative world. Less so apart from that

    • @dragostego
      @dragostego Před měsícem +4

      They've been trendy for like 8 years, they are likely going to be less in style in the coming years, they are approaching a decade of being hip.

    • @rome8180
      @rome8180 Před měsícem +5

      @@studiodsr That's true. But A LOT of session players use them regularly now, and not just for indie tracks. They use them for a certain vintage vibe but with a little more character than your standard P bass.

    • @PjRjHj
      @PjRjHj Před měsícem +5

      The short scale trend has been around for over a decade

    • @spacedaddy5517
      @spacedaddy5517 Před měsícem

      It's nboth, they sound different too.

  • @eerbrev
    @eerbrev Před měsícem +134

    I play upright bass as my main gig. When it comes to my electric bass, I have nothing to prove to anyone, and I have a blast playing my little short scale squier jaguar bass. Baby's got some THUMP.

    • @BackToTheBlues
      @BackToTheBlues Před měsícem +7

      The bass player in the band I'm in turned up at our most recent gig with his stand up string bass, his Epiphone acoustic bass (which is rather lovely - it looks like an acoustic guitar), his Gretsch short scale, and his Ashbory mega-short bass - the one with the rubber strings, and they all got a look-in.
      I'm the guitarist - I'm supposed to be the one with the rack of instruments!

    • @WilDBeestMF
      @WilDBeestMF Před měsícem +4

      ​@@BackToTheBluesAs a fellow bass guy with all the gear (2-3 basses, 10 pedal board, rack all come to every gig), some of us are coming for ya. 😆

    • @BackToTheBlues
      @BackToTheBlues Před měsícem +1

      @@WilDBeestMF 😄😄😄

    • @angelotro
      @angelotro Před měsícem +1

      From a player's perspective, I think short-scale acoustic bass guitars sound better than full-scale. There's a little more pinpoint mid-range that sticks out, while full-scale loses some tone into the air. Not sure if this is the case to someone listening, or how they record, but just from the player's perspective.

    • @jamesmelton7637
      @jamesmelton7637 Před měsícem

      yea it's all thump is the problem. :) But if you just want to thump then yes it's the right bass.

  • @Jonathan_Camps
    @Jonathan_Camps Před měsícem +27

    I decided to go with a Fender Mustang short scale for my first real bass and I couldn’t be happier

    • @StratsRUs
      @StratsRUs Před měsícem +3

      They are great ! I have had a Japanese one for a long time

    • @cake_9510
      @cake_9510 Před dnem +1

      Yeah my mustang is really nice! Not really enough tension to go below standard, but that just forces me to be more creative within my restraints

  • @neakapla
    @neakapla Před měsícem +24

    I wish I went short scale sooner. So much more comfortable to play. I have back issues and occasional pins and needles in my left hand due to a bad back. I won't let ego punish my body unnecessarily.

    • @jonathanchaney6140
      @jonathanchaney6140 Před měsícem

      Ibanez has a headless 4 string called ehb1000s. Its under 7 pounds a lot of the time

  • @scotteagles4864
    @scotteagles4864 Před měsícem +64

    Long live the short scale! Reports of its death are highly exaggerated.

  • @Bornie1977
    @Bornie1977 Před měsícem +80

    I got my left wrist broken 2 years ago and, while recovering from the injury, I bought a great Marcus Miller Sire U5 short scale bass because the pain when playing my old reliable Fender Jazz Bass was terrible, and with a short scale bass I could play almost perfectly. The sound was extremely good and, even today, I use it almost every day! :-D

    • @guitfidle
      @guitfidle Před měsícem +3

      I did that with a u-bass after I had shoulder surgery

  • @davida.v.wilson5629
    @davida.v.wilson5629 Před měsícem +33

    Scott's opening comment about big people playing a short scale bass could be considered highly insulting. I have sustained serious injuries in both shoulders. Reaching out to even tune a 34" (or more) bass is just not possible. Frankly, I have found it more possible to play a 32" headless bass because of damage limiting my reach. Reaching down to the butt of the bass to tune works well for me. Oh, I'm 5'10" and 220 pounds, definitely not small.

    • @mattcheckleybass
      @mattcheckleybass Před měsícem +2

      Offence is something you choose to create, it is not given to you.

    • @tiltil9442
      @tiltil9442 Před měsícem

      Scott didn't make a statement about injuries, really. Listen like a musician. Closely.

    • @flamingdog76
      @flamingdog76 Před měsícem +9

      @@mattcheckleybass absolute bullshit

  • @ThePalestinians8myCat
    @ThePalestinians8myCat Před měsícem +6

    I’ve one huge issue with this video. They fixate on the retro short scale and at one point it is said that there’s no modern active short scales. Spector has the bantam, which is active. Warwick has an active short scale corvette and there’s the stingray short. Though the stingrays not active, it does sound close to a regular stingray. I feel that they have misled the viewer, maybe through bias but there is definitely a more modern option if you’re looking for a short scale.

  • @krisbullock
    @krisbullock Před měsícem +63

    Music Man makes an amazing short scale Stingray with passive pickups that is as nice as any bass I've ever played.

    • @garyjenkins9169
      @garyjenkins9169 Před měsícem +5

      My only bass, and I love it.

    • @latonyahemingway3752
      @latonyahemingway3752 Před měsícem +3

      I have the active Tim Cummerford and a passive ….. these basses are fabulous !!

    • @bassistdc
      @bassistdc Před měsícem

      Those guys were so silly I stopped watching and went to the comments. I bought the Fiesta red ss stingray with the roasted maple neck and love it. I also bought a great 32" scale bass by Offbeat guitars and sold my 34" scale basses.

    • @AlkanetEXE
      @AlkanetEXE Před měsícem

      I'm not a fan of the Mustang design but I love a Stingray and hadn't heard of this! Thanks for mentioning!

    • @dieg000n
      @dieg000n Před měsícem

      Do Music Man still offer this short scale Stingray? I only saw sterling version on Reverb, but not the EBMM

  • @kuramobay2445
    @kuramobay2445 Před měsícem +92

    I don't know of any records Scott has played on 😝😝😝 but I bet almost evrybody knows a record made by short scalers such as Paul McCartney, Bill Wyman and Jack Bruce.

    • @geraldfriend256
      @geraldfriend256 Před měsícem +15

      Yep and Tina Weymouth and Stanley Clarke,Allen Woody, Mike Kerr, Mike Watt, Death From Above. Et Cetera

    • @andreedipo6356
      @andreedipo6356 Před měsícem +4

      @@geraldfriend256 Mike Watt!

    • @BayouMaccabee
      @BayouMaccabee Před měsícem +2

      ​@andreedipo6356 Yes, the spiel-meister himself. I listened to tbe entire fIREHOSE catalog again a few days ago...fantastic!

    • @caesarflickerman9880
      @caesarflickerman9880 Před 24 dny

      Apparently they’re “losers”….pffft time to find another bass channel.

  • @havespacesuitwilltravel9607
    @havespacesuitwilltravel9607 Před měsícem +45

    I think you guys missed a MAJOR pro of short scale basses. Here it is. You can have the best gear in the world, but if your performance sucks then you sound bad. It isn't the gear, it's the performance that counts. If an instrument is easier to play, then your performance is better. Short scale for the win.

    • @mattster693
      @mattster693 Před měsícem +1

      I find long scales easier to play sometimes because the extra tension on the strings makes them respond quicker for faster finger style playing, but not always

    • @reelchef67
      @reelchef67 Před měsícem +2

      @@mattster693 it is easy to put on higher tensions strings to get rid of floppy strings ie labella dtf's or ghs balanced nickels.

    • @mattster693
      @mattster693 Před měsícem

      @@reelchef67 I could try that, but I don’t really find the long scale a hinderance of any sort playability or sound wise tbh, the moor tubby sound a short scale makes just doesn’t sound as good with my aggressive right hand technique making notes sharp at the transients, at least not thru a bass amp where the low end is more revealing, but if all I really needed was heaps of high bass and low mids to cut in a mellow context I’d try it

    • @simaojoseph
      @simaojoseph Před měsícem

      It definitely is THE reason I advocate for short scales. One can manage to get pretty much any sound he/she wants with all the string and pickup options available nowadays.

  • @RainerH.-nz9ez
    @RainerH.-nz9ez Před měsícem +26

    Short scale basses are not crappy. I think scott doesn't know much about them cause he hates them really a lot. I began playing in the early seventies with a mustang. I loved it since the neck died and there was no replacement neck to get from fender. There are some boutique shotrs out there here in germany for really high price. And I own a sire u 5 short made active by myself and it sounds awsome. Just cool down and listen to it. And the look is not the important thing about a bass. So more objektive looking on the shorts and less prejudices and superficialities please.

    • @TinoR626
      @TinoR626 Před 25 dny

      I just picked up a bass VI and it's been super fun sure it's a short scale at 30 but now I'm looking to add another short scale as they are neat.

  • @Tracer9GTRider8
    @Tracer9GTRider8 Před měsícem +54

    I'm 5' 11" and normal size hands. I play only a short scale. My Fender Squire Jaguar is affordable, playable, and sounds great!

    • @18JR78
      @18JR78 Před měsícem +1

      👌🏽

    • @Joe.Copalman
      @Joe.Copalman Před měsícem +3

      Ha! Same height and hand size and I got a Squier Jaguar 32" bass last year. Haven't touched my P-Bass since.

    • @Tracer9GTRider8
      @Tracer9GTRider8 Před měsícem +1

      @@Joe.Copalman awesome! I had a different one (same model) that the previous owner had customized and upgraded. The current one was a few lbs lighter so I swapped out all the customization and ended up with a silver bass that is just a hair under 8 lbs 😂

    • @SO-ym3zs
      @SO-ym3zs Před měsícem +6

      Tall with long arms and fingers here, and I spend way more time playing my short scales. 34" generally feels needlessly cumbersome and awkward by comparison.

    • @jessicasturgis5991
      @jessicasturgis5991 Před měsícem +2

      I am a new bass player (less than 3yrs in - coming from guitar), & I wonder how my Ibanez Mikro compares to the Jaguar.
      I’ve never even played a full size bass yet (I’m 5’1…under 100lbs 😂) but I’m sure it will be an experience to play what these guys here call a “real bass” some day. 🤭😂
      *I’m less than 10 mins in & wondering if this whole thing is just an hour long video of these dudes bashing short scale basses & players.
      🥱🙃😂

  • @levonsstuff3839
    @levonsstuff3839 Před měsícem +71

    So are we just gonna forget about Stanley Clark?

    • @d3lt452
      @d3lt452 Před měsícem +1

      They would have needed to buy an Alembic. Not gonna happen

    • @guzzialfa
      @guzzialfa Před měsícem +1

      They have sucked the F out of Leo for so long they can't afford (Scott's words) an Alembic. Stanley plays short scale. The Brown Bass was his when his was stolen. His signature model is based on its size and shape.

    • @callingchristiano
      @callingchristiano Před měsícem

      Is he really an important player ?!?? Don't think so ...

    • @WillXPower99
      @WillXPower99 Před měsícem +3

      @@callingchristiano are u joking??

    • @callingchristiano
      @callingchristiano Před měsícem +3

      @@WillXPower99 yes !! I love his work on Romantic Warrior

  • @peterfawns1377
    @peterfawns1377 Před měsícem +12

    Scott did a great job of kind of making fun of people that want to play a smaller bass because it's more comfortable for.them...duh! Maybe time to take a course on not potentially turning off a group of potential customers.

  • @mynvision
    @mynvision Před měsícem +12

    Without short scale basses, I would not being able to play bass at all. Short woman, small hands, short arms, first bass I ever tried was someone's Fender Precision back in the 90s, and I had such a hard time with it, I gave up, as my arm literally could not reach to play the furthest frets full stretched. Probably should have adjusted the strap, but didn't know to do it at the time. I had, at the time, already took a year of guitar classes, so I knew a bit of something, and was not a complete instrument newbie. My hubby, who is a bass player who is 5' 11" and not small, and has played in a few local bands, owns and plays a Gibson SG, as well as several other "normal" basses, but I started out on those baby basses, Ibanez Mikro, then Gretsch Duo Jet, then finally the Sterling Stingray short scale, and now I also play that Gibson. We used to have the Fender Mustang (this was before I played it), but hubby says he thinks the Sterling Stingray is better (he does own a EB Stingray 5-string himself). All told, the sound on many of those basses are quite nice, maybe not on par with the top regular scale basses, but good enough to be even better than some.

  • @rkharper
    @rkharper Před měsícem +27

    9 shortscale basses here. No toys, for me, there's absolutely no reason to play longscales anymore, allthough I own some pretty good ones too.

  • @felixgrimm408
    @felixgrimm408 Před měsícem +52

    How on earth can you talk about short scale basses and not name: Mike Watt, Tina Weymouth or Lonnie Marshall?

    • @zippy8442
      @zippy8442 Před měsícem +2

      kim gordon

    • @thomas79marshall
      @thomas79marshall Před měsícem +2

      ​@@zippy8442I've never seen Kim Gordon play a short scale bass.

    • @zippy8442
      @zippy8442 Před měsícem +2

      @@thomas79marshall musicmaster & ebo

    • @thomas79marshall
      @thomas79marshall Před měsícem +1

      @@zippy8442 Kim Gordon is more associated with a Gibson Thunderbird definitely.

    • @LCA1985
      @LCA1985 Před měsícem +2

      Hello? Or Stanley Clarke? Or Evan Marien?

  • @roryhensen
    @roryhensen Před měsícem +20

    Thom Yorke has been rocking short scales with The Smile for the last few years.

    • @jschaetz
      @jschaetz Před měsícem

      Thom Yorke is one of my idols, I got a PJ Mustang short scale this year and love it (I'm a 5'6" woman with small hands, it's been nice to learn on something I can maneuver more easily than my bf's full-scale bass I was learning on prior). This vid was such a bummer to hear from these dudes I look up to so much. They should definitely do a blind test, if they're gonna be snobby about it 😵‍💫

  • @armbarre
    @armbarre Před měsícem +25

    This is the only sbl video I’ve seen that I think is dumb. And I watch sbl ALL the time.

    • @armbarre
      @armbarre Před měsícem +9

      In case that seemed defensive, I don’t even play short scale basses. I’m a cheap p-bass knockoff lover. But come on; they have a sound, they look great, they’re on records you probably love.

  • @GrayShadow13
    @GrayShadow13 Před měsícem +46

    No way. A lot of bassists I know gig with short scales, and I have a short scale p bass, and a Guild Starfire II which is 31.5" I think.

    • @samthebarber93
      @samthebarber93 Před měsícem +3

      I have an old starfire II also and the thing is an absolute low-down, dirty whore of a bass. It does soul, RnB and funk so good! My ears are salivating at thought of spanking the old girl Scrumptious!

    • @TinoR626
      @TinoR626 Před 25 dny

      I've been looking for a pbass Jr.

  • @M2Mil7er
    @M2Mil7er Před měsícem +23

    Jack Bruce has chops, but I think the best thing about him is his ear, and composing skills. He made a huge impression on a lot of musos due to Cream being really heavy for the time, but his solo work is where he really shines. Some recommended tracks for Scott, or anyone who wants to check him out: Childsong, Jet Set Jewel, Mickey The Fiddler, The Best Is Still To Come, Never Tell Your Mother She's Out Of Tune, Morning Story, Folk Song, Pieces of Mind, Keep It Down, Without A Word, and How's Tricks. Some of my faves anyway. Hope you enjoy!

  • @user-wp4cs6eg8q
    @user-wp4cs6eg8q Před měsícem +19

    The thump of a Mustang with flats and a pick is unfuckwithable. And the deep drone of an EB-O neck pickup produce vibrations that break down the contents of your bowels aiding in digestion.

    • @SO-ym3zs
      @SO-ym3zs Před měsícem +1

      Love it! That's ad copy that would actually get me to buy something!

    • @jschaetz
      @jschaetz Před měsícem +2

      Got a PJ Mustang this year, been playing on flats and LOVE it. It's perfect for what I need. Surprisingly snobby takes from this channel I usually love

    • @SO-ym3zs
      @SO-ym3zs Před měsícem +1

      @@jschaetz This channel has its hits and misses like any, but for the most part has been steadily increasing in quality. But this episode was just a huge misstep from them. Any time you're going discuss or review something, it should be fair and take the subject on its own merits, and here it just felt like snobbery, mockery, lame attempts at humor, and lazy dismissivenes.

    • @user-wp4cs6eg8q
      @user-wp4cs6eg8q Před měsícem +1

      @@jschaetz I think they were taking the good cop bad cop approach, I think Scott is very aware that the point of view he portrayed is shared by a percentage of bass players.

  • @timclarke1032
    @timclarke1032 Před měsícem +9

    I've been battling carpal tunnel issues for years and I find that I can play longer without pain on a short scale. I think the lower string tension makes a big difference. I've even tried the ukulele basses, but find the nylon strings annoying. My Mustang with P/J pickups is my go-to.

    • @SO-ym3zs
      @SO-ym3zs Před měsícem +1

      I can't count the number of people I've heard who find relief from physical problems by switching to a short scale: shoulder/neck issues, arthritis, etc. It's hardly the only thing short scales have going, but if they help alleviate/prevent/or avoid physical problems while playing, that's definitely a huge plus.

  • @alexanderednie1205
    @alexanderednie1205 Před měsícem +61

    Jack Bruce played with Tony Williams. Get with the program Scott !

  • @thefieldgeneral17
    @thefieldgeneral17 Před měsícem +86

    Really surprised by Scott's take on this, almost kind of disappointing. Been waiting for a really awesome short scale video being as I just got back into bass playing again partly because of the smaller scale, and I'm not a smaller sized person.

    • @DjCzubaka
      @DjCzubaka Před měsícem +21

      a lot of big guys play electric guitars as well, and they're as big as a short scale basses. I don't think anyone ridicules guitar players for playing 'smaller' instruments

    • @SO-ym3zs
      @SO-ym3zs Před měsícem +34

      Yeah, he definitely loses a lot of points here.

    • @MC-qe5qb
      @MC-qe5qb Před měsícem +14

      @@SO-ym3zs agreed. As a owner of two, I am disappointed

    • @FromTheMosh
      @FromTheMosh Před měsícem +3

      It was a great vid on short scales on my opinion....at least Scott is honest about his opinion, he does like to tease but that's just how British people are haha. Gotta remember everyone has different taste.

    • @SO-ym3zs
      @SO-ym3zs Před měsícem +16

      @@FromTheMosh I think it would have been a lot more helpful and interesting if he had tried to be less humorous/jokey/mean and more objective for those who seeking useful info. You can dislike something and still make an effort to discuss it intelligently, factually, and objectively. And if you can't, recuse yourself and let the other guy handle the video solo.

  • @virgilrytaar9083
    @virgilrytaar9083 Před měsícem +11

    This is the 1st of your videos that I've disagreed about almost everything. 2 men that share a face and know very little about the Beatles. I'll continue to search for the upper 'horn' on my violin bass so I can attach the sticker that came with my Fender Bassman

  • @christopherbond4786
    @christopherbond4786 Před měsícem +19

    That godamn hofner sounds like actual magic every time Ian pulls it out. It might not be versatile, but that is still my favorite bass sound period.

    • @joycerichardson1810
      @joycerichardson1810 Před měsícem +4

      I have a Hofner 1962 reissue (German built) and the woody tone is magical. Strung eith Pyramid flats.

    • @EliezerGenX1975
      @EliezerGenX1975 Před měsícem +2

      Love the sound of the Hofner.

  • @rkharper
    @rkharper Před měsícem +51

    Scott couldn't be any wronger with his cons. Seriously.... They don't feel crap, they don't sound only tubby, there are modern active shorties (Alembic, Ibanez, etc).... And they fucking don't look stupid. Get of your high horse, will ya?

    • @jasondorsey7110
      @jasondorsey7110 Před měsícem +4

      The P-bass Mafia

    • @anthonyf4439
      @anthonyf4439 Před měsícem

      30” scale basses do indeed “feel crap” and “sound tubby”. Lol

  • @ArleyMcBlain
    @ArleyMcBlain Před měsícem +21

    Lots of Vulfpeck recorded on a super-shortscale 28" mini Pbass (eg. Birds of a Feather, Running Away, My First Car, a lot of Sauna). My son has the Squier version and it's truly incredible, sounds and feels better than a lot of much more expensive instruments, go figure.

  • @sambedingfield784
    @sambedingfield784 Před měsícem +8

    Jmj (for me and my generation) taught me that if you just own it, own your thing whatever it is, you can MAKE it cool.

  • @jesserobinson20
    @jesserobinson20 Před měsícem +10

    I started playing short scale when my shoulders began to really fail me.
    I play a Sire U5. I also use a Boss OC-5 to add just a touch of up octave. I really enjoy the tone.

  • @TheMahaffeymg
    @TheMahaffeymg Před měsícem +33

    I just got a JMJ and it's quickly becoming my go-to bass.

    • @GogOtHeCaT15
      @GogOtHeCaT15 Před měsícem

      Same, got a JMJ as I'm coming from a guitar back ground and it's been a really fun bass to play with. It just needed a set up because out of the box the intonation and string hight was off

    • @mehAudio
      @mehAudio Před měsícem +1

      It‘s on my shortlist. Just has more oomph than the more precise 34“.

    • @jschaetz
      @jschaetz Před měsícem +1

      Just got a PJ Mustang, I love it so far!

  • @jsiminski
    @jsiminski Před měsícem +24

    EB-0 has a Mudbucker pickup in neck position alone. EB-3 has the bridge mini humbucker as well.

    • @juanjreyes4230
      @juanjreyes4230 Před měsícem

      Also, the eb0 is a short scale, eb3 is a full scale

    • @ChristopheArribat
      @ChristopheArribat Před měsícem +3

      @@juanjreyes4230 No ; there was a long-scale version of the EB-3 called the EB-3L but they didn't sell well and are very rare.

    • @heinzelgruen
      @heinzelgruen Před 2 dny

      Yes, this is true. I owned a EB0 once as my second bass of all (first one was a Framus J-Bass replica - and that one really sucked!). Must have been in the mid-70s and even then folks alreary made fun of short-scale bass-players: real bass-players play long-scale. So after a year or so I traded it in for an Aria Pro II Rickenbacker 4001 replica (which was not a real long-scale, either). Until today I deeply regret having gotten rid of the Gibson then.

  • @harrybrooks8514
    @harrybrooks8514 Před měsícem +3

    The EB3 had 2 pickups and a multi-position dial switch. Neck p/u was the same old “mud bucker”, and the bridge p/u was a “mini” humbucker much like the current SG Bass. It also had an adjustable bridge, unlike the EB0. I rebuilt one in 1982, rewound the p/us and found a better bridge. Got rid of that selector switch too; it was way too noisy. Mini toggles were quieter. I kick myself for having sold it.

  • @stevebarnes7353
    @stevebarnes7353 Před měsícem +111

    I must admit that this episode left me a bit bummed. I've been hoping and waiting for an episode on short scale basses from you guys, and this was such a let down. It's a bit disheartening that you'll spend almost 2 hours talking about boutique bass companies yet when it comes to short scale basses you treat them like a joke, or something "less than." Thumbs down on this one, gentlemen.

    • @jeffreyskiffle5053
      @jeffreyskiffle5053 Před měsícem +28

      Totally disheartening. I feel like I just had a “don’t meet your heroes” experience.

    • @b1bout2jam3
      @b1bout2jam3 Před měsícem +9

      I have been playing for 20+ years and have played short scales exclusively for the past 10. I play reggae bass, so this channel has a little to nothing for me by way of my preferred genre, but I’m even less of a fan now.

    • @wpkg
      @wpkg Před 29 dny +10

      have to agree. a few years back he was singing the praises of the supro short scale bass and how cool it was and now he says they all suck?

    • @ExoticTurtle3
      @ExoticTurtle3 Před 15 dny +1

      So it's all good when they say stuff you agree with or maybe make fun of something else in the bass world you don't like but now when it's something you enjoy personally it can't be funny anymore and these guys don't have good opinions? Guys it's a fucking youtube video of two guys having fun with and at short scale basses. Please have any sort of rationality here. They are as entitled to their opinions as you are to yours. Instead of just assuming that Scott's opinions are arbitrary, maybe try actually listening to his reasons instead of just writing the whole video off because he made some jokes that somehow managed to offend you based on the scale length of your instruments.

    • @stevebarnes7353
      @stevebarnes7353 Před 12 dny +3

      @@ExoticTurtle3 Oh, not at all. Scott is indeed entitled to his opinions. I was merely commenting that i was hoping for an episode on short scales that was a bit more in depth than what we got.

  • @seeker7774
    @seeker7774 Před měsícem +9

    I started out on guitar. I picked up the bass because the church needed a bassist and the bassist for my brother’s trio moved out of state. After that I played the bass exclusively for about six or seven years. Time passes and needs change. For the past five years I’ve played mainly guitar. Several weeks ago I was asked to fill in on bass. While practicing, I found I was having issues fretting cleanly and my hand hurt. I knew that with time I would get used to “the stretch” again, but I didn’t have the time. I found a used short scale hollow body at a local shop that hits like a sledgehammer and plays like a dream. That short scale saved my bacon and reignited my love of playing bass.

    • @willywayne5299
      @willywayne5299 Před měsícem +1

      Same here,guitar first,but the bands need a bassist so I switched to the world of bass,if U want to gig,do what is needed!

  • @darwinsaye
    @darwinsaye Před měsícem +30

    Ugh. Judging by the first couple of minutes of the video, I’d say your take on this topic this isn’t going to be very well received. Shorter scale isn’t about “small people”. And it’s not about how cool you look on stage with a standard length bass (I’ve seen a couple of killer New Orleans bassists who happen to have huge hulking stature, and thus they absolutely dwarf the *full scale* basses in their hands - and ain’t nobody going to tell them they don’t look cool).
    Short scale has a different sound. The fundamental is more audibly pronounced. As bass players you should know about this. Anyway, I’ll continue the video now, but I’m telling ya, if this is the actual angle you’re going with, the comments section is going to be rough.

    • @nickd.6365
      @nickd.6365 Před měsícem +13

      +1.... This video came across as ill informed, scant on background research & quite naive. It was also far from being objective. Maybe it was rushed out to get the clicks?

    • @robertp457
      @robertp457 Před 26 dny +1

      Scott was making fun of Ian who's a very tall man who loves playing short scale basses, Scott wasn't making fun of short scale basses or anyone, else, who plays them.

    • @christophlucke5654
      @christophlucke5654 Před 7 dny

      Sorry but that was an entertaining Video. It was just FUN and you clearly see that. I got plenty of Infos and that a Short scale is small is a fact and they just joking around on this. Ian clearly is pro short scale and a good counterpart on Scotts jokes.

    • @EdouardMaza
      @EdouardMaza Před dnem +1

      @@christophlucke5654 The lack of humour in these comment is funny as hell. It's just playful banter.

  • @B0BHW
    @B0BHW Před měsícem +10

    Stanley Clarke. He plays a short scale bass. An Alembic short scale. And I don't think he looks stupid. As for the sheer tone and style of playing he gets out of that thing...

  • @MrJesterfx
    @MrJesterfx Před měsícem +6

    I think it is kind of funny, that someone could think, that going with shorter scale you would loose "bass" from your sound. But it is actually opposite. You would loose clarity and high end definition. For me it turned out, that this is what I need. JMJ Mustang with flats is what I need for my music. And since I did not play a bass for 6 months before buying one, there is no weird feeling. Sure, if you play 34 scale every day for 15 years, it short scale could feel weird.

  • @GARBAGEDAY2113
    @GARBAGEDAY2113 Před měsícem +44

    Surprised Tina Weymouth didn't make the top 5.5 list!

    • @GrandadTinkerer
      @GrandadTinkerer Před měsícem

      Nice pin up, pretty basic player though.

    • @mynvision
      @mynvision Před měsícem +12

      ​@@GrandadTinkerer Wow. There are a lot of bass players out there who, in their "basic" playing, have, along with the drummers, really made the solid core of the band. You can't have a good band with just flashy riffs, or a singer with a strong personality, no matter how good they are.
      It's fair to say if someone is basic player or not, if that is your opinion, but there is an additional dismissive and grossly sexist layer when you lead with the whole ""nice pin up" comment. Guys don't get crap like that when their skills are being criticized.

    • @YTPartyTonight
      @YTPartyTonight Před měsícem +3

      @@GrandadTinkerer Bullocks.

    • @Icecream_ghost
      @Icecream_ghost Před měsícem +7

      @@GrandadTinkerer
      Tina is a bad ass, her “basic” playing helped define two amazing bands with countless hits. Being unnecessarily complex and overplaying is for wankers.

    • @SO-ym3zs
      @SO-ym3zs Před měsícem +2

      @@Icecream_ghost Amen. Kim Deal of the Pixies is similar: even simpler lines than Weymouth, but they help define the sound of an original, super-influential rock band. Crazy chops are for lead guitarists (he says only half in jest).

  • @Seanwins
    @Seanwins Před měsícem +7

    Pfffft... I'm 6'5" and I love my short-scale. Some people care more about appearances though, like an idiot who would pay a ton of $$$ to have something reliced.

  • @xiancode3682
    @xiancode3682 Před měsícem +7

    Rumored for the next NAMM - Fander Monster Mega King Kömpenzætör Gigantor Bass.
    Body: old growth redwood stump cross sections, lightly rasped, not sanded. Neck: reclaimed telephone poles, half sawn, unfinished, with original, relic, creosote still present. Low E string: actual reworked suspension bridge cable. Frets: 30d nails. 84" scale. 154lbs (without strings). Tuners: Repurposed Nautical Winches. 12 HammerBucker pickups. 44 strings play subsonically.

    • @SO-ym3zs
      @SO-ym3zs Před měsícem +3

      Guaranteed to help anyone's shaky self esteem, provided they can lift it!

  • @johngpendleton
    @johngpendleton Před měsícem +15

    You missed the Danelectro Longhorn -- unique, classic sound from those lipstick tubes.

  • @charleskilo4383
    @charleskilo4383 Před měsícem +12

    A fun hack, if you detune a standard scale length bass a whole step and then capo at the 2nd fret, you end up back at standard tuning and are very close to a 30" scale length for the more compact fret spacing but you can use whatever bass you want.
    I've been using a Mustang as my main bass for about a year now and while I love the shorter spacing between frets and the comfortable reach everywhere on the neck, what's actually been a real annoyance is finding strings that fit right for the short scale length. I've tried several different brands who offer specific short scale string sets and it's really hit or miss if the taper at the end of the strings will actually line up properly and I usually end up having to unwind it myself to get the strings to work, mostly the low E. That tends to result in less than ideal tuning stability which I wasn't expecting before the purchase.

    • @joycerichardson1810
      @joycerichardson1810 Před měsícem

      Try LaBella Deep-Talking flats specifically for Mustang short scales.

    • @roughpuppies1690
      @roughpuppies1690 Před měsícem

      This is an awesome trick I just discovered the other day! It's a great way to see what a short scale would sound like with no other variables changed. When I did it to my bass, it sounded great and played way easier, slapped easier too because the strings were more slack. It made me really want to get a short scale bass. Personally I think my slap bass sounded way better when I made the scale shorter, at least on my bass.

    • @siliconcarne2598
      @siliconcarne2598 Před měsícem

      It really depends what kind of Mustang you're playing. If it's a string-thru-body like the JMJ, MIJs or vintage models you should pick medium scale strings - personally I like flats and use LaBella 760F-MUS and Thomastik-Infeld JF-324 on my Mustangs. With non-string-thru-body models you should be good to go with short scale strings.

  • @ruffryder13
    @ruffryder13 Před měsícem +96

    The whole "small person" schtick was old after five minutes.

    • @MrOtistetrax
      @MrOtistetrax Před měsícem +16

      It was offensive after 1 second.

    • @501lilspoon
      @501lilspoon Před měsícem +6

      ​​@@MrOtistetraxright? Im 6f1 and dont play a short scale and i was kinda shocked they were so mean. Scotts usually cool

    • @tiltil9442
      @tiltil9442 Před měsícem

      There are better schicks to beat on the short scale thingies with. But they're nice to carry and handle, too.

    • @jonw8694
      @jonw8694 Před měsícem +8

      yep...after about 30 seconds I was like "well, where's my unsubscribe button?"

    • @SO-ym3zs
      @SO-ym3zs Před měsícem +10

      Yeah, either the guy is really a jerk, or it was a calculated move to generate views and comments to feed the algorithm. Which is also a jerk move.

  • @6zippo0
    @6zippo0 Před měsícem +15

    Close minded nonsense based on vanity,

  • @AnnaKissed36
    @AnnaKissed36 Před měsícem +6

    I'm a 53 year old 6'3" person who has physical disabilities and mobility issues. I'm trying to learn bass through SBL acadamy. I have a very cheap 34" jazz style bass and it's k1lling me. It's too heavy to set up by myself and exhausting to use, even though I'm always seated, so I've been thinking that perhaps if I win lotto, something like a fender kingman might be better. Please don't boot me from the academy Scott for considering the double whammy, short scale AND acoustic haha.

    • @westleywalsh8188
      @westleywalsh8188 Před měsícem +1

      My dad moved to a Squier Mustang after 40+ years playing long scale basses professionally. That change bought him another 10 years of playing before post-polio syndrome finally drove him to retirement.

    • @jeffreyskiffle5053
      @jeffreyskiffle5053 Před měsícem +1

      I had to switch to a lightweight short scale for mobility issues and am so happy I did. Headless short scales are even easier to play.

  • @rossculver3632
    @rossculver3632 Před měsícem +40

    Stanley Clarke plays a short scale bass

    • @bquan69
      @bquan69 Před měsícem +4

      Yeah, I thought he was going to be on the list for sure.

    • @rmorris8544
      @rmorris8544 Před měsícem

      Indeed. Although should mention he has often been playing "Piccolo Bass" along with a "Low Bass" player.

    • @rossculver3632
      @rossculver3632 Před měsícem

      His main bass is a short scale Alembic is a short scale

  • @simonpetersonmusic
    @simonpetersonmusic Před měsícem +9

    BTW! Tim Lefebvre has a signature active 5-string (30") short scale with Maurizio Über!
    Fodera are 30.75" or 31" depending on the number of strings.

  • @YTPartyTonight
    @YTPartyTonight Před měsícem +7

    Holger Czukay, Richard Hell, Wyman, Weymouth-Mustang players.
    I see a lot of fellow Watt fans here.

  • @stevebowen2275
    @stevebowen2275 Před měsícem +4

    I played a Jazz bass for decades but as I got older my hands started to hurt more, perhaps early arthritis, and my shoulders began to hurt more if I played long periods of time. Then I switched to short scale and that all went away & playing was fun again 🙂

  • @BeardedDrums
    @BeardedDrums Před měsícem +16

    Kind of surprised at Scott for this one, not so much having a different opinion which is always welcome But I’m not sure alienating part of the base of your channel is right move. Especially the obvious contempt on his face about the topic.

  • @clcortelyou
    @clcortelyou Před měsícem +10

    I started on a used 1963 EB-0 in 1978 as a high school freshman. It had a beautiful neck, typical of the Gibsons of its day. I turned it into my own version of Lee Sklar's Frankenstein - hacking in a DiMarzio Model-P, adding a Badass II bridge and replacing the nylon wrapped flats with Rotosounds, all to get some treble and mid into that thing. I am probably guilty of desecration in all of that.
    The day I bought my first long-scale bass, in 2001, was a day of pure joy.

  • @takoholic
    @takoholic Před měsícem +3

    Yes I’m 5’2 ft (157cm) and I’m thankful we have short scale basses. I has made it so easier for me to play and better for my hands.

  • @bklynbass
    @bklynbass Před měsícem +6

    JMJ was pivotal on many fronts... short scales, effects (WAY into massive pedalboards on the scene in Beck's band WAY before Tim Lefevbre rose to the prominence he has now), using flatwound strings... the list goes on. And yes, I remember seeing him on SNL post -Mutations and Midnight Vultures playing his Starfire and Coronado... shredding on the Coronado with a pick playing some of the busiest yet in-the-pocket Jamerson/Carol Kaye-esque shit ever. He's massively underrated by the CZcams bass nerds.

  • @backdoorarts5243
    @backdoorarts5243 Před měsícem +29

    Stanley Clarke plays a 30.75" scale. Macca's Hofner is 30". Get over it. Shall I go on?

  • @daynmitchell7543
    @daynmitchell7543 Před měsícem +13

    I’ve been playing bass for like 20 years. I’m decent but nothing special I just enjoy playing. I’ve recently fell in love with short scale basses! I have a squire rascal now I’m getting a sire u5 next. I may switch my entire setup to short scale. And I’m 6’3 300 pound gentleman. Do I look a little funny…yes lol. But it feels good and that’s all that matters!

    • @Davey-Boyd
      @Davey-Boyd Před měsícem

      I have a Squire Rascal, it's my current fave bass. And size wise it's huge for a short scale!

    • @daynmitchell7543
      @daynmitchell7543 Před měsícem +1

      @@Davey-Boyd the fedax guys walked across my box so I did need to setup my rascal a little bit. But after that a great bass with a super fat sound! And yes I’m shock by the size, it won’t even fit into most of my cases

  • @costasalivizatos9780
    @costasalivizatos9780 Před měsícem +7

    John Entwistle recorded "my generation" with a shortscale to get right the bends on the solo. no shit

  • @mattbrumit8592
    @mattbrumit8592 Před měsícem +21

    Who's this video for? It should be titled Scott sh#t's on short scale basses and bass players. Then oddly hucks the academy inbetween for people who dislike short scale basses? For the next one Ian should go solo.

  • @jeffmuck7970
    @jeffmuck7970 Před měsícem +16

    I’ll never get over Mike Kerr playing a $300 bass in front of huge crowds. (I mean this positively. It’s awesome.)

    • @thierry18
      @thierry18 Před měsícem +2

      I bought one because I saw him playing it, I picked mine up for just under $200. It's an amazing instrument, and not just for the price. It has a very unique sound but it works great in many contexts

    • @jeffmuck7970
      @jeffmuck7970 Před měsícem

      @@thierry18 Same and I like it a lot. Would only change some of the hardware. I’d like to upgrade the bridge first because that gives me some problems.

    • @WilDBeestMF
      @WilDBeestMF Před měsícem +4

      There's absolutely nothing wrong with playing an inexpensive instrument. People need to get over the price of things, and use their ears and their sense of musicianship. That's why he plays it. It looks cool, it feels good, and it sounds really good. Its cost is unimportant - to everyone but you guys.

    • @jeffmuck7970
      @jeffmuck7970 Před měsícem +1

      @@WilDBeestMF I think it’s awesome he does it. Didn’t mean it in a negative way. Most players would act too good for it.

    • @YTPartyTonight
      @YTPartyTonight Před měsícem +1

      If it’s a good one then it is. A $3,000 basses can be dogs too. $30K basses-same.

  • @M2Mil7er
    @M2Mil7er Před měsícem +12

    On Wichita Lineman, Carol Kaye also played on it, including the descending 6 note line at the start, and an improvised lick which the string arrangement used.

    • @JeremyAndersonBoise
      @JeremyAndersonBoise Před měsícem +1

      Good pull! 👏

    • @kristinjacobs9153
      @kristinjacobs9153 Před měsícem +1

      Great song - the first time I ever heard Glen Campbell, too. My dad even bought me the album, at his part time job at Sears.

    • @Kunibert_Knatter
      @Kunibert_Knatter Před měsícem +1

      Carol Kaye also played on Good Vibrations, which Ian used an an example for sound.

  • @ClimbingStones
    @ClimbingStones Před měsícem +7

    I like that this comes out the day I get my get my first short scale

  • @kenkooty4889
    @kenkooty4889 Před měsícem +3

    Learned on a bronco and always stuck with short scale. The dads love telling me to get a proper bass but rock is rock.

  • @BarefacedAudio
    @BarefacedAudio Před měsícem +23

    Shortscale basses are really misunderstood! They don’t work for what I need 99% of the time but they definitely have a place - they sound different and play different. You can get a good idea of what a shortscale is like by tuning your 34” bass down by a whole step (2 semitones), putting a capo on the 2nd fret and playing everything two frets higher. That pushes the pickups a bit more neckwards (so even bassier / less bright) but it’s still a really good way to hear how the scale length changes the envelope of all the harmonics within the note.

  • @killurtv319
    @killurtv319 Před měsícem +16

    Mike Watt’s Wattplower2 is an amazing bass!

  • @lummond
    @lummond Před měsícem +4

    You guys should check out this band called The Rolling Stones. Their bass player played short scale exclusively for his 30 year stint

  • @LoftyAssertions
    @LoftyAssertions Před 18 dny +2

    I just made the switch to a short scale bass and I adore it, it's so easy to play and sounds more modern too. The only con is that it can't be downtuned below C# with stability.
    I really enjoyed the sarcastic snobbery in this video though hahaha

  • @TheMahaffeymg
    @TheMahaffeymg Před měsícem +12

    I'm surprised that Nick Campbell isn't on the list. He's the reason I started looking at short scale basses and he's and absolute MONSTER player.

    • @michabigulak19
      @michabigulak19 Před měsícem +1

      At the start of the video I was looking in chapters on timeline if Nick is mentioned :D First thing I did.

    • @rmorris8544
      @rmorris8544 Před měsícem

      Is this in addition to his Radio 5 duties 🤣

  • @stanleysokolow
    @stanleysokolow Před měsícem +11

    Glarry, known as a low-cost instrument maker, has a very short scale bass that has a 25.5" scale length. They call it a kids bass, but you can find many CZcams reviews of it by adult bass players who like it. I recently bought one for US$99 directly from Glarry, including shipping in the USA.

    • @geraldfriend256
      @geraldfriend256 Před měsícem +1

      I just reworked a 60s Japanese 25.5 er and tuned it CGDA ( exact cello tuning) with real cello strings. Brutal string tension and low output.. But sooo lovely warm and dark. Especially cuz I never use a pick. Ibanez has a 27.5 incher that interests me. Pretty cheap too.

    • @geraldfriend256
      @geraldfriend256 Před měsícem

      Oh and thanx for the tip; I need one of those

    • @jarnoverhoeven3118
      @jarnoverhoeven3118 Před měsícem

      Ibanez even has a 5-string in 28.6" scale (two actually, in the Talman style and the GSRM25), I tuned my GSRM25 as a piccolo bass, ADGCF.

  • @SO-ym3zs
    @SO-ym3zs Před měsícem +2

    Pros:
    * Generally smaller and lighter, so easier on the shoulder/thigh, and well suited to anyone with a smaller stature, though perfectly playable by larger folks. I've heard lots of players with arthritis or other physical setbacks say that short-scales are easier for them, too.
    * Different sound: more thump, less chime
    * Easier for guitarists doubling on bass or switching to bass
    * Easier/more comfortable to play because of the narrower fret spacing and reduced string tension (easier to bend strings, too)
    Cons:
    * Harder to detune without string flop or intonation issues
    * Fewer options to choose from in a world (sadly) dominated by 34"s
    * If you build muscle memory on a 30", switching to a 34" and back again can be weird, but that has nothing to do with the short scale per se
    Not a con: how it looks. Unless you have some weird self-esteem hangup, where you have to play a huge instrument, playing a slightly smaller bass won't look strange--certainly no stranger than the millions playing electric guitars, which are even smaller--let alone mandolins, ukuleles, violins, etc.

  • @wildsyd357
    @wildsyd357 Před měsícem +6

    This is the most unhinged these guys have been , letting loose

    • @tiltil9442
      @tiltil9442 Před měsícem

      Both are perfectly aware of the fact that this episode is a dispute on taste more than anything. Going good cop bad cop was the right decision and I just love the comment community falling for it...

    • @wildsyd357
      @wildsyd357 Před měsícem

      @@tiltil9442 nah, not what I’m speaking to, I’m talking about the phallic stuff

  • @MrLouisianaHayride
    @MrLouisianaHayride Před měsícem +7

    A shoulder issue is what got me into short scales. Btw they don't all sound tubby. A reverse P pickup will do wonders when it comes to a tighter sound more like a normal P bass.

  • @BassPlayerNcl
    @BassPlayerNcl Před měsícem +5

    Gibson EB3: 2 humbuckers, 5 way rotary switch. Quite a range of rubbery, bottom end and a surprising amount of grit.
    Gibson EB0: 1 mudbucker with essentially one sound. Very big low end. Hardly any top!
    EDIT- The Gibson Triumph is easily the most sonically versatile bass I’ve ever owned (and HEAVIEST) and it’s a 30.3 scale length!

  • @jeffreyskiffle5053
    @jeffreyskiffle5053 Před měsícem +20

    It felt like he was making “fun” of people whose only options are short scale or not playing at all - people with disabilities like myself. I know he was joking, but I couldn’t not feel offended and it rubbed me the wrong way. This was done in poor taste and I’m less of a SBL fan now.

    • @TehDFC
      @TehDFC Před měsícem +4

      I'm more of a fan so I'm cancelling you out. He's not doing that-he also has a disability. Hope this helps.

    • @jschaetz
      @jschaetz Před měsícem

      I'm a PJ Mustang player and 100% agree with you. Usually love their vids. No need for snobbery 😭

    • @brianmeader6242
      @brianmeader6242 Před 28 dny

      @@TehDFCwell then you’d think at least 1 of them would have identified that as hardly an insignificant “pro”.

  • @vinceasmith
    @vinceasmith Před měsícem +2

    I feel disheartened by this conversation.
    As a mere covers band player in UK pubs, I got a short scale for the sheer physical reasons of having so little space, and not want to either "tap" my headstock on a wall, or smack the singer, etc. The 30" scale made it much more appropriate for those gigs where space was a premium.
    I went with a Vox Airstream Artist which comes with a Gotoh bridge and machine heads and a Aguilar active EQ and (musicman-style) humbucker pickup. It's been great to play. I did consider the Sterling short-scale, the Nordstrand "cat", Gretsch basses. But the Vox was a great price. I also know someone with the Sandberg Lionel - they are happy with that.
    On a negative that you didn't mention, was strings - there are much fewer choices of strings.

  • @kurtohnehelm6589
    @kurtohnehelm6589 Před měsícem +5

    I think it's important to find an instrument the player feels comfortable with. And if that's a shortscale with a big fat mudbucker or a 6 string fanfret with active electronics then that's totally fine.
    Since Ian became part of the channel I started watching some stuff from time to time as I think that Ian has great charisma and is an even better teacher that will prob help you become the player you want to be and play in a way that feels right for you.
    That said, I am a huge guy. Tall and heavy. I love shortscales.

  • @Iofflight78
    @Iofflight78 Před měsícem +11

    Definitely not. I have 4 currently (JMJ, Birdsong, SR shortie, and Nordstrand Cat) and have two 32" inches coming - a Zoot and a Serek. These all have their places. I'll always have a J bass, P bass and StingRay in the full configuration as one does. But man my Acinonyx V1 is just fantastic, love it, love the sound, and love the 16.5 mm string spacing.
    I mean real talk though, if big guys look stupid with a small bass, which is still bigger than most guitars, what does that say about big dudes who play guitar on stage? Yep they must all look stupid too. And mandolin players? They just need to play in the dark I guess.

    • @geraldfriend256
      @geraldfriend256 Před měsícem

      I have a super short bass with a 3/4 guitar sized body and unorthodox technique. I look waaaay beyond awkward and I love it.

    • @hudsontangredi8961
      @hudsontangredi8961 Před měsícem +1

      Acinonyx is 🔥

    • @lynnpalmer8133
      @lynnpalmer8133 Před měsícem

      I love love love my Cat bass. ONLY complaint is if I get a bit excited, I fairly often accidentally hit the buttons which changes tone or sometimes cuts signal altogether. Aside from that, it’s my favorite SS…..and I have quite a few. Honorable mention is my Gretch Junior Jet II. Helluva a bass for the $. Picked mine up for $150 used in great shape.

  • @sharancogzell2228
    @sharancogzell2228 Před měsícem +18

    This video is very disappointing, narrow-minded and quite frankly disrespectful coming from you Scott... not your normal balanced view. If the esteemed, super tall, Stanley Clarke chose to play an Alembic short scale bass as his main bass, speaks for itself.

  • @oskareriksson9150
    @oskareriksson9150 Před měsícem +3

    Listen to "Crossroads" live at Winterland 1968 or Frank Zappa's "Apostrophe' and tell me that Jack Bruce can't play. I DARE you Scott!

  • @jorgerodriguezsierra7593
    @jorgerodriguezsierra7593 Před měsícem +16

    Worst SBL video ever! Even those alone Scott videos repeating the same stuff over and over are better. Seriously guys you can do better.

  • @jima2570
    @jima2570 Před měsícem +5

    I've never liked the short scale bass thing until I played a Sire U5. I have to say it sounds closer to a long scale bass than other short scale basses I've played. Nice job guys!

    • @Aethalops
      @Aethalops Před měsícem

      Sounds great. Plays great. Well built. Overall amazing value. Looks completely stupid with that p-style headstock and tuning knobs. I love mine but it's destined to be modified.

  • @disgruntledfaerie
    @disgruntledfaerie Před měsícem +2

    (and my favorite thing about short scale basses is how they sound in their upper register - so pillowy and soft and rich)

    • @SO-ym3zs
      @SO-ym3zs Před měsícem +2

      Good point. People tend to emphasize the extra-fat bottom end, but it's the upper register where basses in general sound the best and most unique compared to other stringed instruments, and short scales can sound really beautiful up there.

  • @DigBipper188
    @DigBipper188 Před měsícem +1

    The Gibson EB-0 doesn't have 2 pickups, it has the one mudbucker in the neck position and that's it. There is a walnut version of the EB-0 that has the pickup positioned further back if you want a bit better mid response, but it's still a big fat humbucking pickup, so don't expect P-bass tones from it :)
    the EB-3 has a bridge pickup
    Both basses are very similar otherwise being that they're SG shaped.

  • @markwarner5554
    @markwarner5554 Před měsícem +4

    The Ibanez Mikro series of short scale basses are a lot of fun to play at 28.6" scale. They also do a medium scale series called Mezzo. But they are all very low-cost, budget-friendly instruments. Nothing on the higher end unless you looks at the SRC basses.

    • @SO-ym3zs
      @SO-ym3zs Před měsícem +1

      The Mikro is a lot of fun! The tone can be a bit grainy and coarse, but that can definitely suit some genres. The ergonomics are outstanding--it's ridiculously comfortable to play--and hits like a sledgehammer. Really good for such a low price. Great for a starter/travel/backup bass!

    • @jensbomholt4529
      @jensbomholt4529 Před měsícem +1

      My Ibanez Mikro satisfies all my needs and wishes. When I tried a relative's full scale Fender, it felt very uncomfortable in comparison. Ibanez Mikro is so fun and easy and cool.

    • @SO-ym3zs
      @SO-ym3zs Před měsícem +2

      @@jensbomholt4529 It's the bass that got me back into bass playing after a long hiatus and made me switch from guitar to bass permanenly.

  • @dynodansmoking
    @dynodansmoking Před měsícem +14

    Dang. Way to lose support

  • @justinketchem8746
    @justinketchem8746 Před měsícem +2

    In 1971, the Musicmaster was $140. That' the equivalent of $1000 today. By 1981 it was up to about $320. That was still $1000 today. It was Fender's lease expensive bass, but it's really wasn't cheap. In 971, the Mustang was $100 more, at the equivalent of about $1,800 today.

  • @rbranhamjrify
    @rbranhamjrify Před měsícem +2

    This was great. Being a person of small stature, I am grateful that they make short scale basses. The one I am learning on is 28.5 scale length, and fits my tiny hands. Big shoutout to SBL helping me along my journey!

  • @alrightythen214
    @alrightythen214 Před měsícem +4

    Another disabled rocker here. Don't appreciate your denigrating it! I can only carry the tiny instruments now

  • @DirtyHairHaloCrowe
    @DirtyHairHaloCrowe Před měsícem +4

    Jesse Murphy of Brazilian Girls. If you haven’t heard the first couple of albums from them, you don’t know what you’re missing. One of the best players on the planet and he plays a Mustang. Better than anyone on this list. 🤷🏻‍♂️

  • @jmcates1120
    @jmcates1120 Před měsícem +1

    I just played a gig with my Spector Bantam 4, which is a 30" active short scale bass, and it sounded great. After the show, I got MANY compliments on the tone and looks of it. I have a decent collection of some very high-end basses and the Spector Bantam is my favorite by far. I have wrist and elbow injuries on my left side and the Bantam allows me to continue to play without being in constant pain or making my old injuries worse. Playing for more than a few seconds the lower frets on a full scale bass for me has become almost impossible.

  • @theoforde-stiegler
    @theoforde-stiegler Před měsícem +2

    I came to bass from cello and guitar. Shortscale was perfect for me. But a regular bass felt uncomfortable and weird. So i now play all 32" (medium scale basses) and can comfortably switch to 34" and 30" and cello...
    I also have a now fretless 27.5" Ibanez mikro that is fabulous!

  • @bjdurrett
    @bjdurrett Před měsícem +3

    To each, their own. Whatever makes great music.
    I really love bass talk and can even handle criticism that goes against my beliefs., but I would enjoy these videos so much more with way less forced laughter.

  • @SisterRose
    @SisterRose Před měsícem +10

    you can pry my PB Shorty and Ibanez Mikro out of my dead chubby hands lol

    • @_bassmentdweller
      @_bassmentdweller Před měsícem

      I have a micro too. I’m posting Player’s Path videos right now and it sounds great. I don’t have many basses, but this is my favorite

    • @Kunibert_Knatter
      @Kunibert_Knatter Před měsícem

      I was longing so much for the Ibanez Mikro, but when I tested it, it sounded absollutely terrible!
      It was a model from 2024. My guess is, that they changed the pickups in the most recent model compared to older ones I have heard here on YT. The volume and sounds controls were technical absolute crap, too! I was sooo disappionted!
      I traveled 300 kilometers to the store for testing before buing, but finally I was glad I did, because I avoided a huge stinker.
      A real disappointment.

    • @SisterRose
      @SisterRose Před měsícem

      @@Kunibert_Knatter Mine's from 2023 and sounds great. not as high output as I'd like(I have a jazz bass that puts out more) but great sound

    • @Kunibert_Knatter
      @Kunibert_Knatter Před měsícem

      @@SisterRose Good to hear, Sister Rose! This gives me hope that the next batch @IbanezOfficial will produce, may have decent hardware again, not that crap they decided to put on the Mikro to save some Cent in production.
      Enjoy your bass!

  • @pumpichank
    @pumpichank Před měsícem +2

    I'll go farther and say that short scales are a bass player's secret weapon! I've always been a Fender P bass guy primarily (but also have some Warwicks, an MTD, etc) and a couple of years ago I picked up a Sandberg Lionel 30". It's been my main gigging bass ever since and I get tons of positive comments from fellow musicians and my bass player friends. It's truly an amazing bass, as are all Sandbergs. From garage rock to blues to reggae, it plays like a dream and sounds big and fat. Of course I string it with TI flats, but I can rock out with it, slap with it, play with a pick, or roll off the treble and thump it. The Lionel is a passive P bass short scale. I did a couple of pick up reggae gigs with it and even the drummer was like, woo! what IS that bass? I don't think y'all realize just how fat beefy and full the shorties sound. Well, maybe Ian does 😀. And hey on a typical constrained bar gig "stage", whoever is standing to your left is gonna really thank you for bringing a short scale. No more smacking the harp player in the face "accidentally"! I also recently picked up a custom made Sandberg PJ fretless with active electronics and it's bad ass too. Super light but very nice Jaco-ish bridge tone, fat P-bass neck tone and really nice mixed tone. I have a buddy with a couple of Wilcock basses and they're amazing too, but more expensive and value for $ I don't think you can beat a Sandberg. The Florence is another great Sandberg short scale, with the mudbucker and dirty tone-knob pulled tone shape. When I was buying my PJ, the Sandberg guy said you can actually custom order any of their basses in a short scale, though it might take a while. So yeah, short scales rule, and Sandbergs are absolutely stellar examples of them.

  • @LordBarrington
    @LordBarrington Před 28 dny +1

    EB-0 had only 1 pickup, and was first marketed in 1959 in response to the declining sales of Gibson's EB-1.
    (was also available as the EB-0L long scale and EB-0F with a built in passive fuzz)
    The EB-1 was a solid body shaped like a double bass
    The EB-2 was the semi hollow body es335 shaped bass with 2 pickups
    The EB-3 has 2 pickups with a 4 way rotary switch