Rome's forgotten battle - The ambush of Harzhorn DOCUMENTARY

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    The Battle of Harzhorn is a fairly modern discovery, which has surprised historians and questions our knowledge on the Roman Empire in the 3rd Century.
    My team and I are proud to publish the first ever recreation of the battle on CZcams, supported by the ancient and modern sources listed below. A special thanks from me goes to Felix Bittman, as well as my Patreons for making this video possible!
    Ancient Sources:
    -Herodian, History of the Roman Empire since the Death of Marcus Aurelius, Book VII.2: www.livius.org/sources/conten...
    -Historia Augusta, The Two Maximini, Chapters 11-12: penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/...
    -CIL XIII, 6104
    -AE, 1931, 68: lupa.at/7512
    -CIL III, 10307: lupa.at/6049
    Modern Sources:
    -Berger, V.F; Bittmann, F; Geschwinde, M; Lönne, P; Meyer, M; Moosbauer, G. “Die römisch-germanische Auseinandersetzung am Harzhorn (Ldkr. Northeim, Niedersachsen)”, Germania, 88 (2010): 313-402.
    -Geschwinde, M. “Eine römische Prunklanze aus Kalefeld, Ldkr. Northeim, Nachrichten Aus Niedersachsen Urgesichte, 83, (2014): 107-114.
    -Geschwinde, M. “La batalla olvidada: La expeditio germanica del emperador Maximino el Tracio y los hallazgos arqueológicos de Harzhorn”, Despeta Ferro, Especiales, XVII, (2018): 44-51.
    -Geschwinde, M; Hassmann, H; Lönne, P; Meyer, M; Moosbauer, G. “Roms vergessener Feldzug: Das neu entdectke Schlachtfeld am Harzhorn in Niedersachsen”, 2000 Jahre Varusslacht Konflikt, Stuttgart: Konrad Theiss Verlag, (2009): 228-232.
    -Meyer, M. “The Germanic-Roman Battlefields of Kalkriese and Harzhorn”, Conflict Archaeology: Materialities of Collective Violence from Prehistory to Late Antiquituy, (2018): 205-217.
    -Meyer, M; Bittmann, F; Geschwinde, M; Hassmann, H; Lönne, P; Moosbauer, G. “The C3rd AD Romano-Germanic battlefield at Harzhorn near Kalefeld, Landkreis Northeim”, Roman Frontier Studies Proceedings of the XXI International Congress of Roman Frontier Studies (Limes Congress) held at Newcastle upon Tyne in August 2009, Limes XXI, (2009): 298-303.
    -Moosbauer, G. Die Vergessene Römerslacht: Der sensationelle Fund am Harzhorn. München: C.H. Beck, 2018.
    -Pöppelmann, H; Deppmeyer, K; Steinmetz, W.D. (eds.). Roms vergessener Feldzug: Die Slacht am Harzhorn. Veroffentlichungen des Braunschweigischen Landesmuseum, 115: Darmstadt.
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  • @toldinstone
    @toldinstone Před 2 lety +477

    Great video! Thanks again for collaborating with me; you were a pleasure to work with!

    • @HistoriaMilitum
      @HistoriaMilitum  Před 2 lety +67

      It was my pleasure! Cheers to a great series and more to come!

    • @danb1618
      @danb1618 Před 2 lety +15

      Got here from the collab. really interesting, nice work!

    • @emmanuelostria5488
      @emmanuelostria5488 Před 2 lety

      @@HistoriaMilitum pp

  • @jamesbarca7229
    @jamesbarca7229 Před 2 lety +45

    Aurelius Vitalis and the others could never have imagined that their names would still be spoken, and their memorials remembered, nearly two millennia later by people half a world away.

    • @aka99
      @aka99 Před 2 lety +2

      true words

  • @danesovic7585
    @danesovic7585 Před 2 lety +57

    Lmao it's interesting how modern historians always assume that ancients spoke in metaphors and always exaggerated when in reality they probably stick to the truth more than even we do today. Great video btw.

    • @JonEtxebeberriaRodriguez
      @JonEtxebeberriaRodriguez Před 2 lety +10

      Thank you!! Truth be told, they were right at assuming that. The main written source for this campaing, the Historia Augusta is rather unreliable. But turns out that on this precise instance it was telling the truth.

    • @Bye-kd8xo
      @Bye-kd8xo Před 2 lety +2

      History is recorded mostly, not hastily remembered by the aging. You'd be surprised had you done some research on your own.

    • @louschwick7301
      @louschwick7301 Před 2 lety +2

      The toldinstone accompanying video says that the guy who led all these mptherfuckers up and down the hills of Germany was 8 ft tall and could crush rocks in his bare hands and The mesopotamians said their kings lived for hundreds of years
      Fuckin hell if our ancestors paid attention to details. Herodotus is considered the first historian for good reason

    • @lukethedank13
      @lukethedank13 Před rokem +5

      @@louschwick7301 to be honnest there is a big chance the aforementioned guy leading those mfers was aflicted by acromegaly (gigantism) judging by multiple of his descriptions that kinda match and his later coinage that shows the distinct jaw and face features that are often associated with it.

    • @bioemiliano
      @bioemiliano Před rokem +2

      Politicians are the main source for a lot of history. Do you think politicians are a reliable source?

  • @napoleonibonaparte7198
    @napoleonibonaparte7198 Před 2 lety +36

    Lots of Roman history video releases today. A good day it seems.

    • @Ncertshahayyi
      @Ncertshahayyi Před 2 lety +1

      Indeed ser Bonaparte

    • @RexGalilae
      @RexGalilae Před 2 lety +7

      Yeah the new Epic History TV Belisarius episode also came out

    • @dariusghodsi2570
      @dariusghodsi2570 Před 2 lety +4

      Yep, belasarius roman siege on epichistorytv, sulla mithradatic war on house of history, and now this. Today is a hat trick for classical battles.

  • @remixfrost
    @remixfrost Před 2 lety +239

    Interesting how even the roman scouts couldn’t detect such a sizable force concealed in the wooded hills. Just goes to show how much the Germans knew the land and how it adds up to the fear factor from the point of view of a legionary, seeing as they could quite literally come “out of nowhere”.
    Great video, as always!

    • @eljanrimsa5843
      @eljanrimsa5843 Před 2 lety +18

      ehm, are you aware this is only a storytelling device? We know the battle happened, but without written accounts we can only speculate why the Romans entered the ambush-friendly terrain.

    • @alecblunden8615
      @alecblunden8615 Před 2 lety +11

      A small comment . The Roman army used legionaries. Only the French Foreign Legion is composed of legionnaires.

    • @remixfrost
      @remixfrost Před 2 lety +31

      Well, to be fair, Germania at that time was a land filled with heavy forests, swamps, hills, dirt roads(if any), you name it. In stark contrast to the civilized roman territory at that time west of the Rhine filled with stone roads, so you could say that most of Germania was “ambush-friendly”.
      Also, the disaster at Teutoburg forest in 9AD, where three whole legions got virtually destroyed, is a consequence of how well the german tribes could use the terrain to their advantage, staying hidden until just the right time to strike, using the fact that the legion’s marching order was thinned because of the terrain and therefore more spread out, being unable to assume any coherent battle formation, but fight the enemy as they were, separating the army into smaller segments ,barely able to support each other, like in this battle here. Not to mention the legions being led into a trap by Arminius, of course.

    • @cliffordjensen8064
      @cliffordjensen8064 Před 2 lety +10

      @@remixfrost Very good points. Also many of the tribesman had probably served in the Legions as paid mercenaries and so were quite aware of Roman tactics and scouting/marching practices. I am kind of surprised that they did not pull off a total victory here. They were probably able to free many captives and recover some of the loot, so let's call it a tie.

    • @jason200912
      @jason200912 Před 2 lety

      Crappy scouts

  • @aldiboronti
    @aldiboronti Před 2 lety +87

    That was a wonderful video. I thought at first you were taking poetic license with the names and details but you soon showed that everything was well-sourced. Just subscribed to your channel.

    • @JonEtxebeberriaRodriguez
      @JonEtxebeberriaRodriguez Před 2 lety +12

      We play with the margins but we never deviate from acceptable educated guess. The guys were from the east, fell in war and in the period 234-238 and the monuments were near Mainz. It falls into the realm of acceptable guess. Even historians who cover this say so. As for the movements of the battle the same, a legionary pickaxe of the IVth legion was found were the baggage train was, so it is an acceptable guess that the guys were stationed there. Nothing is made up, we only decorated it a bit to make it more humane 😊

  • @Briselance
    @Briselance Před 2 lety +2

    The added names of Roman servicemembers are a very nice and even welcomed touch.

  • @perceivedvelocity9914
    @perceivedvelocity9914 Před 2 lety +12

    I came here after watching Told in Stone's video. You both did great work. Very interesting. Thanks.

  • @Steve_Hickman
    @Steve_Hickman Před 2 lety +32

    Great profile on a little known Roman battle. Even with the calamity of the third century, it goes to show how the Romans were still quite capable of giving the Germanic tribes something to fear.

    • @Bolognabeef
      @Bolognabeef Před 10 měsíci +1

      The Germanic strengths were vastly overstated in the early empire with the possible goal of downplaying the organizational blunder that was Teutoburg, and later were dramatised by German nationalists and romanticists.
      Why didn't the mighty Germans conquer rome anytime during its 1200 years but decided to wait until the Huns, Parthians and Arabs showed up? The Limes (border with Germania) didn't move from the time of Hadrian to the Great Migration.
      This is similar to what the British press did in ww2 when they made Rommel into a legendary figure to justify being pushed back into Egypt, one of their only defeats in the War. Rommel was a mediocre general.

  • @JustMeJH
    @JustMeJH Před 2 lety +43

    The blocks were great for showing troop movements and the animated fights just blinded me with the scope of this battle. The eulogies of the warriors who lived, who "made sure it was done" are kinda staying with me. Great storytelling elements in these three examples specifically and throughout the video!

    • @RhoninFire
      @RhoninFire Před 2 lety +5

      "Made sure it was done" sure sounds like a phrase that have legs to one day be used in some popular media and then get commonly recognized again.

  • @BrorealeK
    @BrorealeK Před 2 lety +83

    This was a very cool video. You elevated the tactical play-by-play of the battle with depictions of the men who fought there, and by backing up your remarkably detailed description with the evidence from the battlefield itself! Thank you very much, subscribed.

  • @larsmunch4536
    @larsmunch4536 Před 2 lety +77

    In German, the name of the place Vogelberg has to be pronounced like Fogelberg, meaning bird mountain or bird hill. The German word Vogel must be closely related to the English word fowl.

  • @chrissteudtner848
    @chrissteudtner848 Před 2 lety +23

    I think, you're doing the finddensity a great wrong. The battle of the Harzhorn is the best preserved battle of all antiquity! More amazingly so as it has only been excavated since 2009. The finds were so well preserved, that the roman track, the positioning of the armies and (as you mentioned) even the field of fire of the roman balistae could be recreated. For a historian and especially an archaelogist, the Battle of the Harzhorn is an amazing pot of gold.
    None the less I'm very happy someone took interest in this battle and made a video about it. (which by rhe way, is very good!)
    If you haven't been there, do it. It's well worth it. And seeing the surrounding area clearifies, why scouts didn't see it coming.
    Two more things not mentioned here: It is assumed, that the mainroute down in flat meadows (it's even today one of the main arteries of German Traffic) was visibly blocked by Germanic Warriors, so that the Romans took another route over the Harzhorn, and that only lead into the ambush.
    Furthermore, the battle didn't end there, it stretched on to the Kahlberg 10km away.

    • @JonEtxebeberriaRodriguez
      @JonEtxebeberriaRodriguez Před 2 lety +7

      Oook let me clarify things a bit because I feel this is a misunderstanding. The Kahlberg is represented here because we are aware of the latest finds, it's not technically 10 km away, 5 it's between 5-6 km from the mouth of the pass. It surely has expanded the battlefield and helps to explain the scenario a bit more. At first, at least in the first reports and papers of 2009-2010 there were doubts about the nature of the engagement. They thought the pass was blocked by the germanic warriors and that the romans simply dislodged them from there. By 2017-2018 both Moosbauer and Geschwinde clearly seem to favour an ambush encounter. According to the official reports of the Landkreis Northeim archaeology team the flat land in the middle of the pass was unsuitabe for movement of heavy equipment as it was between marshy and soft. Then there is the Böhmer Berg, a small hill barely noticeable (that's why we didn't represent it) but important as it would have obstructed the vision and cover what was happening at the vanguard. We know for certain that the research of the battlefield is not over yet and that our video might be obsolete in a couple of years.
      The find density is great you are right, but let's be honest here (I'm a historian and archaeologist too), compromises have to be made when making videos. For hardcore history fans (I count myself there) it is never enough unfortunately. Keep in mind that for many this is the first notice they have of the battlefield. That's why we put our sources for people interested in the subject because we hope to incite to people to read and get informed and as proof of transparency. I'm no expert as the Harzhorn team so it's better for us to introduce the topic true to reality and then direct the audience to the people who really know the battlefield. It's a pity to left things behind but if you don't do it the video can end up being a lecture of literally +40 minutes. If you want to discuss the creative decisions please feel free to join our discord and I will be more than happy to answer you. I hope this clarifies everything and sorry if you feel like we didn't cover the more juicy aspects of archaeology. We did try to contact the Harzhorn Museum for support twice but they never replied unfortunately :(

    • @chrissteudtner848
      @chrissteudtner848 Před 2 lety +7

      @@JonEtxebeberriaRodriguez Thx for your answer. I was just irritated about you saying, the finddensity was sadly rather miniscule. And I wanted to right that. Of course there could always be more, but given the circumstances, it's perfect.

  • @fuferito
    @fuferito Před 2 lety +11

    Visited at the suggestion of _toldinstone,_ and couldn't help but subscribe.
    I had never heard of this clash before.

  • @HamilkarBarkasScaleModelling

    Excellent video! I visited the site last sunday and walked around on the trail on the Harzhorn, where a lot of information about the battle can be found on signs. Right now i am actually in the process of creating my very own video about the Battle of the Harzhorn, cool to see you dealt with this highly interesting subject as well.

    • @sethdominickortiz
      @sethdominickortiz Před 2 lety +7

      Thanks for your furure video I hope to see it and I envy where you’ve walked lol have a good one sir

    • @milovetto5977
      @milovetto5977 Před 2 lety +2

      I know of Hannibal too , of course he's your brother ; take care . Greetings .

    • @HamilkarBarkasScaleModelling
      @HamilkarBarkasScaleModelling Před 2 lety

      @@sethdominickortiz Sorry for the long time it took me to get it done, but the video in question is online now. I hope Mr. Filaxim Historia does not mind it when i share the link here? Hope you enjoy it Seth!
      czcams.com/video/wBEgsveaJoM/video.html

  • @misaelfraga8196
    @misaelfraga8196 Před 2 lety +5

    I can't believe I never knew of this battle. Thanks. 👍

  • @jimfrodsham7938
    @jimfrodsham7938 Před 2 lety +5

    Got sent here by "toldinstone" and I'm so pleased. I've subscribed.

  • @philmccracken7520
    @philmccracken7520 Před 2 lety +18

    Filaxim Historia I can say after countless Videos on Romans ! This one is your best and did it wonderfully , 100% dead on ! Excellent Work ! I hope you would do vid on LImes Germanicus and other Limes across empire But LImes Germanicus mainly the store of it from 83AD -260AD of Land of Germania east Rhine that Roman Empire held ! Also Maybe a Vid of Long history of Roman allies ! Excellent Work Filaxim Historia , This is your best work yet !

    • @HistoriaMilitum
      @HistoriaMilitum  Před 2 lety +5

      Hello Phil! I remember you commenting on some of my earlier videos, so it means a lot for you to say this is one of my best works. Thank you for being a loyal viewer of this channel, I look forward to creating more for your enjoyment. Cheers to you, friend!

  • @stephensmith6417
    @stephensmith6417 Před 2 lety +3

    Excellent video a battle I was not aware of..

  • @marleymae24
    @marleymae24 Před 2 lety +8

    Came here from toldinstone!! Love in-depth looks at battles like this! Subscribed

  • @c63amgblack
    @c63amgblack Před 2 lety +32

    I love the animation, it's not fancy but it's very clear and effective at describing the events along with the narration! Keep up the great work

  • @Jesse_Dawg
    @Jesse_Dawg Před 2 lety +3

    I came from toldinstone. This is reallllllly good

  • @shreowotheartist253
    @shreowotheartist253 Před 2 lety +9

    This is more amazing than I thought.

  • @markuseisenstock7690
    @markuseisenstock7690 Před 2 lety +17

    Your work deserves way more recognition. Great narrative, great visualization even with limited resources.

  • @gabrielinostroza4989
    @gabrielinostroza4989 Před 2 lety +5

    toldinstone's video and this gives me a huge Heart of Darkness vibe after the Romans cross the Limes, excellent stuff.

  • @Fenniks-
    @Fenniks- Před 2 lety +9

    Amazing video, glad that you covered this underrated battle.

  • @pittbullking87
    @pittbullking87 Před 2 lety +2

    How interesting! I knew nothing about this campaign. Thank you for posting this.

    • @aka99
      @aka99 Před 2 lety

      did you see the first part of this video? m.czcams.com/video/aIfUMZL-H98/video.html made by toldinstone who is mentioned here

  • @Yorgar
    @Yorgar Před 2 lety +2

    Since the discovery of the site was announce, I've been waiting for more information on it and get excited every time a new piece of information comes.

  • @connectedhistory
    @connectedhistory Před 2 lety +24

    Everything about this video is great. The quality, the mention of the sources, the use of correct 3rd century models...
    Well done

    • @JonEtxebeberriaRodriguez
      @JonEtxebeberriaRodriguez Před 2 lety +2

      It was a real problem because the are no good quality models of this period in video games hahaha. There is a mod named Restitutor Orbis for Rome Total War but we thought it was too old, Empire Divided for Rome 2 didn't fulfill our expectations so we had to literally dug up a reskin mod called Restitutor Orbis for Rome 2 and still we felt it was a precarious compromise hahaha

    • @connectedhistory
      @connectedhistory Před 2 lety +2

      @@JonEtxebeberriaRodriguez AFAIK the 3rd century transition from the typical equipment of the legions of the principate to the late roman period is not well understood or documented by sources. So the post-Antonine legions will always pose a challenge. All we know that the Niederbieber Type Helmet came, but then in the late 3rd century was completely replaced by Spangenhelm/ridge helmet designs.
      Longer swords were used from the Severian period, spears became widespread again in the legions and shields rounder. But it is not clear when or exactly why these trends started.
      Often "barbarisation" is blamed, but this is too simplistic, as many trends are already visible from the late 2nd century.
      Long story short - your models do a great job depicting what we know from archeology and sources. Thanks for that.

    • @JonEtxebeberriaRodriguez
      @JonEtxebeberriaRodriguez Před 2 lety +2

      @@connectedhistory You are right it's a difficult period to represent, mostly in shields because there is a huge lack of shield remains from this period. Otherwise in helmets we have huge numbers of them, from the Burgh Castle, Late Italic and Gaulic models with huge neck protections, and more extravagant ones which I don't remember their names 😅. The main trend is that they tend to be more enclosed. We also know the pilum was still in use and that the spear grew in importance. The legions started to have formal organic skirmishers and light infantry. Swords are generally longer yes and the armour stayed pretty much the same. The biggest change does happen in the clothing and accesories of the legionaries surprisingly. Finding a mod which satisfied all those requisits was veeeery hard.
      As to the date of when this things started to happen I personally think the roman army evolved gradually during the IInd century AD and the Severan period. Trying to argue in favour of a sudden change or massive reform seems unlikely to me. And with barbarisation you are totally right, it is often an exaggerated statement which in any case affected the legions performance in battle

    • @robertflueraru8353
      @robertflueraru8353 Před 2 lety

      @@JonEtxebeberriaRodriguez Restitutor Orbis for Rome 1 has been released as a beta in 2020 actually, but I get what you mean.

  • @JeyyPi
    @JeyyPi Před 2 lety +3

    Great Video.
    Really good how you showed, that the Battle was Split in two different Szenarios.
    I live in Germany and visited this battle-side. Great to See that archeology aint dead and the battle-side is yet to be fully uncovered.

  • @buckwylde7965
    @buckwylde7965 Před 2 lety +13

    Excellent video! You bought the past to life. Even in crisis the military power of Rome was immense.

  • @watershock9211
    @watershock9211 Před 2 lety +5

    Crazy, I remember being in a local Museum that was centered around this specific battle.

  • @maxlossie5824
    @maxlossie5824 Před 2 lety +3

    I live only a few kilometres from the site. It's a beautiful open air museum with a lot of activities and interesting guided tours going on.
    The battle was only discovered because hobby archeologists found a horseshoe and thought it some medieval lamp of raiders.
    Thanks for the beautiful video. :)

    • @aka99
      @aka99 Před 2 lety

      did you see the first part of that video? if not chekc out. itss great czcams.com/video/aIfUMZL-H98/video.html

  • @p03saucez
    @p03saucez Před 2 lety +20

    Amazing work dude. Love that you included your evidence and context. To me this really sets your channel apart. Interesting to think that thanks to videos like this one these individuals' names and legacies are remembered nearly 1800 years after their deaths.

  • @dariusghodsi2570
    @dariusghodsi2570 Před 2 lety +60

    Very well done, glad to see you finally break into the realm of battle maps and small moving tactical parts. Definately do much more of these in the future as it seperates you from just simply being a glorified podcast into something more. Happy to see you collaberate with a great youtube friend but the part 1 being on another channel should have been mentioned in the beginning for reference so i couldve gone and watched that first.

    • @JonEtxebeberriaRodriguez
      @JonEtxebeberriaRodriguez Před 2 lety +3

      Thanks!! I'm speaking as his researcher so the opinion of Filaxim may be a bit different. The problem with battles is that it is an overcovered and "repetitive" world in which there are well stablished channels and pretty much every battle has already been covered. Our idea is to cover less known aspects of Roman Military History in detail such as unknown battles, fortifications, frontier systems, staff posts, legions, stories of roman soldiers... Otherwise, doing the same as bigger channels would be a mistake as we don't offer anything new. It's a risky gamble but we hope to attract the audience who always wants to know a bit more. For example no major channel except us and Toldinstone has covered this battle; you will hardly find a mention of the staff posts of the roman legion and we covered them here, the video of Vindolanda was an attempt to show how life in a roman fort was and to reconstruct one as close to detail as possible. The idea is to be associated with "well researched, entertaining and new uncovered content about the roman army" sort of brand.

    • @dariusghodsi2570
      @dariusghodsi2570 Před 2 lety +2

      @@JonEtxebeberriaRodriguez the fort at hadrian's wall was an excellent style and choice. I disagree about the classical battles being already covered and overdone by other channels however. With all of the major channels combined, perhaps less than 5 percent of the possibilities have been done and most are not very thoroughly well researched. I know because im addicted to these battle videos and ive thoroughly checked, its a long way to go with plenty of room for an upstart such as yourself.

    • @dariusghodsi2570
      @dariusghodsi2570 Před 2 lety +3

      @@JonEtxebeberriaRodriguez just as an example, 800 years of war between iran and rome is practically untouched. The list could go on if you need ideas for classical conflicts which havent yet recieved spotlight from other channels

    • @JonEtxebeberriaRodriguez
      @JonEtxebeberriaRodriguez Před 2 lety +2

      @@dariusghodsi2570 Indeed! The maim problem is the lack of source material unfortunately. There is one such event I personally wish to cover in the future and that's the siege of Dura Europos in the 250s. Nobody has touched it and it's due time somebody takes the chance

    • @dariusghodsi2570
      @dariusghodsi2570 Před 2 lety +1

      @@JonEtxebeberriaRodriguez yes, that was just one stop on Shapur the Great's juggernaut of a campaign. These channels tend to lean bias toward Rome and skirt around the entire conflict and usually chalk up the third century crisis to other factors. A full series on that campaign which even reached into anatolia, sack of antioch ect

  • @skie6282
    @skie6282 Před 2 lety +1

    This story was captivating, i wish it was a movie it! It would definitely be 5 stars! And the gaps in knowledge from the ages are perfect for interpretation

  • @blazcajo3766
    @blazcajo3766 Před 2 lety +4

    Very nice video,so much so because its the 4 legio flavia felix wich i am the part of the reconstructed legion of flavia felix in Split Croatia, so big thanks Filaxim

  • @mikevictory9455
    @mikevictory9455 Před 2 lety +11

    Boy, I was on the edge of my seat! XD
    Excellent vid Filaxim! Keep up the great work! 👍

  • @ThePatrioticTurtle
    @ThePatrioticTurtle Před 2 lety +3

    You my friend still out so yourself every video! Keep it up proud to say I’m an early subscriber

  • @Killer12345656
    @Killer12345656 Před 2 lety +7

    Fantastic stuff, thanks for another great video! And happy to see you collaborating with toldinstone, I hope there's more planned for the future!

  • @rubenheymans1988
    @rubenheymans1988 Před 2 lety +6

    excellent! finally a battle I never heard of

  • @kolawaleojomo6817
    @kolawaleojomo6817 Před 2 lety +5

    Made my evening. Thank you 🤍

  • @Rick-dt9mv
    @Rick-dt9mv Před 2 lety +2

    Thanks for uploading this video. I really did not know about this battle and it is a statement to what I always assumed, despite the crisis of the third century, the legions were still powerful, and what's more, better armed than during the previous century. Greetings from the south of the world!
    Gracias por subir este video. Realmente desconocía de esta batalla y es una aseveración a lo que yo siempre supuse, a pesar de la crisis del siglo III, las legiones seguían siendo potentes, y es mas, mejor armadas que durante el siglo anterior. Saludos desde el sur de mundo!!!

  • @billmiller4972
    @billmiller4972 Před 2 lety +2

    Great video!
    I wonder how history might have been different if the Romans would have discovered the rich silver, copper and lead veins in the Harz mountains.

  • @FreeFallingAir
    @FreeFallingAir Před 2 lety +6

    Great video! Just found this channel, subscribed. Looking forward to more! Cheers!

  • @ronanshanley7829
    @ronanshanley7829 Před 2 lety +1

    fantastic. What a treat to hear accounts from those on the ground who actually fought in the wars 1800 years ago

  • @marcofrank2082
    @marcofrank2082 Před 2 lety +3

    Excellent video. Including the names of the soldiers makes it so much more relatable. Great that you showed the inscriptions of the monuments 👍🏻

  • @Floki_631
    @Floki_631 Před 2 lety +11

    Always look forward to these

  • @ultraghast2106
    @ultraghast2106 Před 2 lety +8

    Amazing work 👏👌

  • @robbabcock_
    @robbabcock_ Před 2 lety +4

    Great stuff! Thanks to you both, for the video and for introducing me to this channel. Subbed!

  • @antoniosessa6521
    @antoniosessa6521 Před 2 lety +2

    Excellent work. Well researched with sources cited. Graphics are helpful without overshadowing the narration, which is crisp and clear. You've just earned a subscriber.

  • @Ivan-Shved
    @Ivan-Shved Před 2 lety +2

    Thank you so much, the video is both interesting and entertaining, great work!

  • @timgroothuis1217
    @timgroothuis1217 Před 2 lety +4

    Amazing content, always happy to see you've uploaded again!

  • @rmfcity
    @rmfcity Před 2 lety +1

    You are what I expected History channel to be! Love your videos.

  • @keithwalker5078
    @keithwalker5078 Před 2 lety +2

    great information, had no idea the romans were still capable of such a massive invasion that late in their empire.

  • @kenhart8771
    @kenhart8771 Před 2 lety +1

    Thank you and for all involved.

  • @SkopjanecMartin
    @SkopjanecMartin Před 2 lety +1

    Just subbed to the channel because of this videos. It's always good to find a channel covering lesser known battles, especially lesser known Roman battles. Keep up the good work!

  • @kemita
    @kemita Před 2 lety +4

    impressive

  • @ricardosolano2559
    @ricardosolano2559 Před 2 lety

    Love the way you tell a story. Great work!!!

  • @aaronwalker4017
    @aaronwalker4017 Před 2 lety +1

    Brilliant step up with the video
    Amazing work with the battle
    And also with the historical details
    Awesome all round 👏

  • @ArchCone
    @ArchCone Před 2 lety

    Beautiful work as always.

  • @glenng8185
    @glenng8185 Před 2 lety +2

    Such a great video. This kind of video really is amazing

  • @d0tdash
    @d0tdash Před 2 lety +8

    What are some sources for inscriptions like the ones you cited? Was amazed at the end of the video to learn that the soldiers you named were drawn from real life.

    • @JonEtxebeberriaRodriguez
      @JonEtxebeberriaRodriguez Před 2 lety +8

      We put references to the inscriptions in the description. You will see the three of them (Vitalis' tombstone has not a link because is not in an online database) with their code and the link below the ancient writers. The texts all come from the Clauss Slaby database which the biggest database for inscriptions curated by scholars.
      If you want to see the texts unfortunately they are in latin, we translate them to english to make them easier to understand as everyone else does. But the images are great if you want to check 😉

  • @michaelscarn5625
    @michaelscarn5625 Před 2 lety +4

    Spectacular video as always!

  • @Dannykhc
    @Dannykhc Před 2 lety +2

    I can't help but wonder if the emperor, having been a professional soldier, had a hunch that the Germans might try some funny business on the return trip or at the very least was mentally prepared for the unexpected. No doubt, by this time in AD235, every legion officer would have known about Teutoberg in AD9. So I can well imagine the emperor saying to his senior officers, something like: "Boys, we're over 300 miles beyond the Rhine. We're returning now but I want you and the lads to be ready for the unexpected. If the Germans think they can pull off another Teutoberg, well, they've got something else coming. Right, this is how we're going to do it..."

  • @doogallas
    @doogallas Před 2 lety

    Please continue your work. I have never been interested in history more than your presentations.
    I've also watched all your videos in just a couple days, so please let me know of any channels of similar content that you recommend.

  • @gaius_enceladus
    @gaius_enceladus Před rokem +1

    Great video!
    It's good to hear that the Romans came out on top (eventually) in at least *one* battle in Germany!
    The Battle of Teutoburg Forest was *shocking* for Rome. Unbelievable that the legions could have been ambushed like that.

    • @legate-lanius
      @legate-lanius Před 7 měsíci

      Tiberius, germanicus, maximinus, all won more than one battle in germania and sent the tribesman fleeing back into their swamps and forests

    • @paprskomet
      @paprskomet Před 3 měsíci

      Man,Romans won many battles in Germania.In fact they were mostly winning in majority of their clashes with Germanic tribes.It was not like this was their only victory.What is so ubelievable on Legions being ambushed?They suffered ambushes both before and after Teutoburg.

  • @egillskallagrimson5879
    @egillskallagrimson5879 Před 2 lety +17

    this looks like the setup for the roman version of generation kill, pity the people with the money lack your attention to detail and the will to make something like this. btw one of the best displays of a battlefield I ever saw here in yt, many times we see TW depictions but they look as totally for embellishment and rarely the depiction match the setup, yours did which is incredibly cool.

    • @JonEtxebeberriaRodriguez
      @JonEtxebeberriaRodriguez Před 2 lety +2

      We should have depicted Vitalis as Rudy Reyes and the cavalrymen as Brad Colbert, Ray, Trombley and the reporter hahahaha. Thanks for your support and compliments :). The idea came from the community posts of stories about roman soldiers. They do incredibly well and are very liked by you the fans. So, when we discovered there may have been real roman soldiers who died in this war, it was a must to spice up the story and give it a more humane touch to the whole narration. Finding a good to depict the units in the battlefield was a total nightmare I can tell you hahahaha

    • @egillskallagrimson5879
      @egillskallagrimson5879 Před 2 lety

      @@JonEtxebeberriaRodriguez "this guy doesn't know he is in the middle of germania, he thinks he's a hero from the Illiad"
      Vitalis "I wear my hero armor every day in the Legion, Roma Victrix!" xDDDD
      By the way which community is that? Where can I find more tales about roman soldiers?

    • @JonEtxebeberriaRodriguez
      @JonEtxebeberriaRodriguez Před 2 lety +1

      @@egillskallagrimson5879🤣🤣🤣 "You psycho! The arrows will kill if you don't raise your shield! "
      If you go to the community posts of the channel you will find a handful of stories there. It's next to the videos section once you enter the channel. The stories come mostly from tombstones where they specify their careers, origins, family, years of service, units and if they were decorated in war. There is an online database but the text's are in latin. Luckily, I know a bit of it so I can translate it with few problems since it is usually a very "administrative" speech.
      In the case of Vitalis for example we know he was surely a Moesian, his legion was stationed there. He might have been born in 209-210 as he died with 25 after 7 years of service so he enlisted when he was 18 around 228. He could have taken part in the Sassanid War as a member of a detachment from his legion. We know he fell in battle in the expedition and finally that he had a good relationship with one of his tent-mates since he included him in his will and was the guy who honoured him. If you read between the lines you can get a lot of information that does not appear in any book 😁

  • @enginyormaz8391
    @enginyormaz8391 Před 2 lety +1

    again a very nice
    video from this channel.

  • @AndriyAndriyAndriy
    @AndriyAndriyAndriy Před 2 lety +9

    wait, how you and channel "toldinstone" uploaded video on exact same topic in exact same time 1 minute apart?
    hmmmmmm 🤔

    • @HistoriaMilitum
      @HistoriaMilitum  Před 2 lety +3

      Coincidence? I think not!
      This 2 part series was a collaboration between our channels. Check the end screen for part 1 of this video. Cheers!

  • @BatMan-oe2gh
    @BatMan-oe2gh Před 2 lety

    toldinstone told me to come here and see your video, so I obeyed his command. Great video Sir, well put together and very informative. A very good Collaboration.

  • @marcwhite7733
    @marcwhite7733 Před 2 lety

    Fab mini doc, a connection really comes to life with the back story of the soldiers involved.

  • @cortobrown7919
    @cortobrown7919 Před 2 lety +2

    Just imagine how many things had happen and we don't yet know

  • @MultiGamer292
    @MultiGamer292 Před 2 lety

    Cool video! Can't wait for another one. These are fun and interesting!!

    • @aka99
      @aka99 Před 2 lety

      did you already see the first part of this video? Watch here made by toldinstone. m.czcams.com/video/aIfUMZL-H98/video.html

  • @jeroenvandenbossche4699

    Splendid video! You, Sir, gained a new subscriber!

  • @thenarkknight278
    @thenarkknight278 Před 2 lety +3

    Im living 5 kilometres away from it XD

    • @aka99
      @aka99 Před 2 lety +1

      czcams.com/video/aIfUMZL-H98/video.html

  • @daciaromana2396
    @daciaromana2396 Před 2 lety +1

    Amazing content!

  • @alemalvina7624
    @alemalvina7624 Před 2 lety +10

    I felt a warmth in the heart how these soldiers honored their brothers in arms after their retirement.

    • @justmoritz
      @justmoritz Před 2 lety

      👎🏻 what honor to pillage foreign lands

  • @kcharles8857
    @kcharles8857 Před 2 lety +1

    Great stuff. Subscribed.

  • @rogerraya8614
    @rogerraya8614 Před 8 měsíci

    Excellent video!

  • @XMarkxyz
    @XMarkxyz Před 2 lety

    This video is so great that I'll ignore the modern pronunciation of "Limes", well done, exquisite details

  • @wilmetteentwistle9242
    @wilmetteentwistle9242 Před 2 lety

    Great video as usual, Told in Stone is also a great channel

  • @t.robinson4774
    @t.robinson4774 Před 2 lety

    Nice to see a quality collaboration between two good CZcamsrs.

  • @nataliemuller942
    @nataliemuller942 Před 14 dny

    Very good video! I actually visited the battle site today. They had an event and it is only about 40 minutes from where I live.

  • @danielc6925
    @danielc6925 Před 2 lety

    Great job !

  • @nickdaniel356
    @nickdaniel356 Před 2 lety +2

    Amazing video.

  • @colinmcom14
    @colinmcom14 Před 9 měsíci

    Cool video, pretty epic battle! I just watched Gladiator the other day so it was funny to see how similar the opening battle, in part, was to this event. And yeah I feel like to this day Rome's indirect economic influence is pretty underrated. Obviously it's a lot harder to tell where exactly that ended but it seems pretty clear from the physical evidence that it went pretty far.

  • @jimbobhootenanny4440
    @jimbobhootenanny4440 Před 2 lety +3

    Great job 👏 👍 very nice!!!👍👍

  • @jeetjewatspannend
    @jeetjewatspannend Před 2 lety +1

    Will there be another video about rome's legions any time soon? i think those are you best work!

  • @Boric78
    @Boric78 Před 2 lety +2

    Very good this.

  • @jamesmcc178
    @jamesmcc178 Před 2 lety +1

    Keep up the good work

  • @pedrobariani
    @pedrobariani Před 2 lety +1

    Fantastic ! Tnks !

  • @themandoesloreagain6148

    Another great video. This is the way.

    • @aka99
      @aka99 Před 2 lety

      czcams.com/video/aIfUMZL-H98/video.html

  • @seantomlinson8561
    @seantomlinson8561 Před 2 lety

    Very cool, thank you very much. I had no idea.

  • @adriangabrieljones881
    @adriangabrieljones881 Před 10 měsíci

    Thank you!

  • @moistmike4150
    @moistmike4150 Před 2 lety +5

    Hearing about how the Romans burned, murdered, looted and enslaved as they marched through the German hinterland is quite disturbing. I think about how fortunate we are to live in a more civilized age - But then I remember recent history is just as ugly (and far more lethal). Harzhorn was a close shave for the Romans. Might've been a Second Teutoborg debacle had things gone a little differently.

    • @roycejames789
      @roycejames789 Před 2 lety +3

      That’s how things were back then. Better to be feared by your enemy then respected.

  • @santiagovisci2899
    @santiagovisci2899 Před 2 lety +1

    Great video

    • @aka99
      @aka99 Před 2 lety

      great too ----> czcams.com/video/aIfUMZL-H98/video.html

  • @g.sergiusfidenas6650
    @g.sergiusfidenas6650 Před 2 lety +1

    To be fair during Thrax reign the Crisis was just starting so the decades of plague, external invasion, war against the Sassanids, corruption, civil war, economic decline had yet to take its brutal toll; but I guess it is impressive that such a deep offensive was performed successfully when just a few months before Severus Alexander had to bribe the germanic tribes to contain their raids.

  • @JuanCanuck
    @JuanCanuck Před 2 lety +1

    Great work on the video. Here before 100k subs!

  • @alexandr8606
    @alexandr8606 Před 2 lety

    Nice, could you please briefly recommend some books about Rome (military culture etc.) which you find the most informative or interesting in your opinion. It would be a great inspiration :) good work btw