Playtester Talks Patch 18 BUFFS & NERFS For Ogryn - Darktide
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- čas přidán 21. 04. 2024
- I thought this video would be 10 minutes tops, but it turned into 30 minutes of me rambling. Either way, I hope you find it informative and useful. Let me know if you have any further questions in the comments.
The Ogrynomicon has been updated for Patch 18 as well, check it out here: steamcommunity.com/sharedfile... - Hry
Math with 3x DR Nodes and 1x Feel no Pain was 55% Damage Reduction. Now after it's multiplicative it's down to 47.5% with those.
The innate 20% was already multiplicative, as was the 20% HP damage reduction that somehow also worked on the Toughness. Mobile Emplacement is also multiplicative.
Appreciate the math-check, cheers.
Thanks for being a dope ass Ogryn. All of your contributions have helped and inspired me to be a better Ogryn and make fun videos of my own. You da bomb, yo.
Krourk stubber needs some love.
This was a really great vid, loved the info and the laid back explanations!
New Sub earned here mate
I would suggest a lucky bullet, barrage kickback it hits more often than not in Barrage I had 3 in a row 2 shots and melted half an Auric damnation plague ogryns health in 1 sec haha
Very informative video. Thank you
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I'll give my reasoning for not using The Best Defence as often.
1. If I am attacking multiple enemies, they will typically, if not always, be weaker targets. I will aim to kill and reap the toughness on kill instead.
2. The same enemies I would be hitting also get staggered easily especially if I am able to hit many at once. If I'm targeting only a single enemy with single targeting attacks, I'm more likely to get flanked. If I cannot kill several at a time I can definitely kill one at a time, hince the other talent is king.
3. Confident strike is entirely better than this as well, so if I am running confident strike blessing, taking The Best Defence is just a waste of points.
4. To emphasize a point from earlier, hitting multiple enemies that are weak and killing them relatively quickly (like hordes or groups of gunners) will grant plenty of toughness for doing so. Consider time to kill and single targeting instead before taking The Best Defence.
Feel free to correct me or add on.
There are the packs of a half dozen Crushers/Maulers/Ragers though.
What do you run instead of the best defence cuz that leaves you with a skill point.
@@OniGanonI typically run mk IV cleaver. I can stagger a up to two maulers okay while cleaving some other weaker targets around them. If I run savage sweep then I can definitely stagger several of them at once.
Dreg ragers are easy to cleave, but not so much the scab ones, I take a similar approach to the maulers in that case.
Hitting multiple crushers? Is that a thing in melee? I might be able to do that with the slab shield, but those should be dealt with and killed one at a time anyway.
If I choose to use slab shield then all of these enemies are a joke and I definitely wouldn't need The Best Defence.
I haven't noticed the FNP nerf that much. I just push more to regain stacks.
Thanks for the lead on overwhelming, good stuff.
thanks for the update.
Dude, just imagine running a tanky gunlugger ogryn build with the achklys(?)(I don’t know how it’s spelled, but it’s the heavy stubber that clears hordes and acts like a real LMG) with the suppression blessing and an accuracy buff!
Imagine?
i don't have to imagine, i'm doing it
This is great! Could you do a video about your builds? Like weapon wise, perks, blessings, stuff like that
I'm a co-author of the Ogrynomicon guide, made by two other Ogryn playtesters and myself. It has a lot of information and tips about builds and weapons, check it out here: steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3044646170
But yes, I will make some videos highlighting these builds soon!
thank you sah!
I think the skill trees update is the best thing to happen to the game, I find it way way way way way more enjoyable than the old system
Trample maxes out after hitting 25 enemies, just to clarify.
D'oh, of course. Thanks for the correction.
Going to play some ogryn tonight and ive changed a few things per your recommendations and im going to see how my games go. Do you run unarmored on other ogryn melee weapons cuz thats something I never really thought of. My bully club has thunderous with unyielding and flak damage.
Let me know how it goes!
@@hankjw_dti have to find another toughness curio but I think im going to play pbb ogryn cuz my shovel and my gorg stubber are well rolled. I will most definitely come back here with progress report lol.
Would you say that 3 toughness curios are the way to go generally? Currently I run 2 health and 1 toughness curios for all my ogryn builds, should I change this?
I definitely think toughnessmaxxing is optimal at the moment, yes.
@@hankjw_dtthanks so much! I have to say, you and your teams’s work on the ogrynomicon is STELLAR. I’ve got 196 hours on Darktide and played nothing but ogryn, and the game is still fresh and fun with all the different build in the ogrynomicon! I’ve literally never felt the need to swap to a different class🤣 especially since theres no guide to the other classes as comprehensive as what yall have written!
Keep up the excellent work and you guys are amazing!
It makes sense to me cuz even without health curios you still have a ton of health.
@@infrared6973 And health you can't regen but toughness you can. So over time that little extra toughness turns into a huge amount of points while X health is just X health.
@@angry_zergling i have 160 toughness and 450 health on my ogryn
Mmm yes coherency toughness regen speed is very useful
You started the video with a kickback equipped talking about mostly nerfs. I was fearful until the very end.
Ha! No, the Kickback was spared this time.
@@hankjw_dt It is a bit over-tuned IMO, so a nerf wouldn't be surprising but based on how bad the gun was at launch, I hope they do it right.
The music makes it a bit difficult to listen to you next video I’d turn it down just a tad. Just my opinion
Oops, my bad. Will do!
Lol bro the music is fine. Complaining to complain is wild.
@@lutz816im not complaining at all. Im offering him advice as someone who’s built a CZcams channel to 30k… interpreting any form of feed back that isn’t overly positive as complaining is pretty weak minded.
I thought the same.
They nerfed my Ogryn? I haven't really been playing.
Ask the devs why they cant just let us craft our weapons like in vermintide 2. So we can actually make builds and test things out for fun instead of just watching youtube videos.
So that we always have something to figure out. I prefer this over getting the best meta build and not feeling incentivized to test out things you normally wouldn't.
@@MaggotAddict21 this is a load of horseshit. Anytime you want to try a new weapon you are gated by layers upon layers of rng. Even just getting a new mark/version of weapon you have to go through rng gamba via shop or wasting hundreds of thousand of gold buying greys.
The real reason its like this is so they can mask their piss poor weapon balance. Every class has 2 or 3 best weapons in all situations with 12-15 weapons that are just self imposed handicaps.
Meanwhile vermintide 2 each weapon excels in specific areas or hits great breakpoints vs specific elites/specials.
@@morioh6623 I can't speak for Vermintide 2 balance but you're right. There will always be weapon builds that are better than others but I would disagree with the mentality that other weapons are piss poor or something. I output the most damage in every game with every character regardless of loadout provided it is optimized the best way it can be optimized. I like the fact that I can constantly roll for something better instead of being stuck with one thing. I get that it is an arbitrary handicap but I think it has its benefits. I really do understand your frustration and I would rather them change it to appeal to the majority of the community but gambling for weapons is fun for me. I don't want to hyper optimize everything. I'll get bored in a few weeks.
@@morioh6623 I guess you could say I love experimentation and figuring out what works for what scenario or build and I don't watch much CZcams.
@@MaggotAddict21 yea i do too. But trying to experiment with all the different weapons while dealing with 5 random stats, 2 perks and 2 blessings makes it almost impossible to test anything.
The reason why its frustrating is because darktide is one of the better fps games at its core.
Why are the ogryns knives so weak? You can get a lot more done with other classes using the small knife, compared to the ogryns knife. It is stupid, the ogryns knife is bigger so it should do more damage, at least equal to the small knife used by other classes. It is also ridiculously slow to use, considering how strong the average ogryn is, that slab of metal the ogryn uses as a knife should act much faster in such a strong arm. The Power maul also is absolutely useless and underwhelming.
The heavy attack tree seems overtuned to compensate for weak melee weapons when all the weapons should be improved and heavy hitter made less impactful.
Human combat blades have weak cleave and are slow at killing hordes, but have strong precision strikes instead. The Ogryn cleavers are the opposite. They have really strong cleave damage and hordeclear but don't have single target damage that is as strong (but you can get close with heavy attack buffs and Thrust blessing).
Showel is my bestest frend.
@@hankjw_dt Thank you for telling me what i already knew.
@@woldemunster9244 Shovels are the weapons worth using.
Thanks for the info!