Crazy New Rules Changes Coming to Heroclix for 2023!
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- čas přidán 13. 09. 2024
- WizKids dropped some crazy new rules changes, so let's dive right in and check it out!
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Hey everyone! I just want to point out here that I made a mistake in my initial thoughts on Telekinesis. TK as FREE wouldn't actually allow you to make a RANGE object action as it's worded in the power it just allows you to take a RANGE object action as if you were holding terrain within range and LoF. You would actually need to have RANGE as FREE to do that NOT TK as FREE. Apologies for the misunderstanding! That's what I get for speaking from memory lol but I just don't want to spread any misinformation!
Update: I edited the video slightly for future viewers so hopefully hopefully that helps.
Great video- love having a summary of all the changes in one easy place. I'll suggest all the players at my venue watch your video to get up to speed. Keep up the great work!
Thank you! I appreciate it! Please also check out my pinned comment on this video for more on TK as I was actually wrong about making object attacks with TK as FREE and I'd hate to spread misinformation about that.
The flavor text was one of favorite part, wtf :(
It will be missed
Love the venom Thanos on the thumbnail.
He is awesome!
You know who just got a boost..It’s funny thinking about it but the doom figure who can make your opponent skip there first turn. Imagine going second picking the map then being able to technically go first is messed up..
Good point, he will be a lot better now!
Venom Thanos is why I am leaning into Huntress DC24-005 so hard. Shut that BS down!! lol.
Imo 2017 had the best PAC rules
Pretty sure Married with clix is the reason there's no more theme prob.
Lol, what makes you say that? Aren't they retired?
Ever play against Jason or Amber? Lol. They use it for the early game beatdown, then just coast the rest of the game.
@keithhall199 Don't think I ever have, but I'm definitely guilty of doing the same thing lol
@@HeroclixHeadquarters same here, but doing it consistently ruins the game for new players.
If you have two things that resolve at "Beginning of the Turn" can I choose the order? For example, if I have a character that returns to the sideline at the "Beginning of the Turn" can I still use it's leadership which also resolves at the "Beginning of the Turn?"
Yes, if you have multiple effects trigger at the same time, you can choose the order they resolve in, so that should work.
@@HeroclixHeadquarters Awesome, thank you!
Can you carry after someone has already taken an action? Thanks again for the content! Been watching every video you put out, THE got to stop for clix
Thanks man! And yes! Characters can't take a costed action after being carried, but there is no rule saying they can't be carried after they already took an action that turn.
Can you use special objects still like hammers? And is it still 5 squares out and have to roll for it.
That would be relics, and yes, I believe they would still be played as they used to.
Thank you
Support before, all I ever picture is Alfred frustratingly trying to bandage and heal batman but can't because batman is dodging Alfred (because basically you have to roll to hit to use support) "Sir, please hold still while I heal you." Batman: "No, no one can touch me!" Useless.
Support now, exactly as it should be. I love it.
Lol, well put
Thanks for the video. I only play at home and will ignore most of these rule changes. The rules circa 2019 were the best.
No problem, thanks for watching! And that's cool, everyone I know has had fun with the newer rules though so if you haven't already I would suggest to try playing a game or two with the new rules and see how you like them at least.
I have been playing this game for 20 years and I am here to say that wizkids is out of control. Rebalanced 2019 ish was definitely a sweet spot and I was fine with some of the big changes that made sense like ditching pushing damage and removing the move restrictions on hindering... but they made a big deal about charging more to produce bigger, better sculpting and painting and blah blah blah. WW80 was absolutely riddled with printing mistakes and terrible paintjobs. It's ok to love this game and pretend wizkids is a shitshow!
Why is so hard to get a power and abilities book. I hate looking at my phone every time I play
They put two in every starter set now so even if you can't get a starter set/mini game you might have a friend that has a spare. Otherwise I believe you can also print them off the wizkids website.
Don't bother though, they'll have changed the rules again by the time you get this one printed out
Great Video as always, love this channel💚
Thank you!
Wait so are old maps useless now?
No, they are usable in modern ageuntil they rotate out as normal, and I believe they should still be playable in golden and silver age.
Do you think the flavor text is just gone for this new set or are they gone for good?
They said they are not doing it anymore.
@@HeroclixHeadquarters that sucks. Maybe there will be enough people mad about it that they’ll change it. Always thought it was cool that they had a reasoning for the powers.
@@caseypamplin6384 It's possible, we did get knockback damage back because of people wanting it
All they do is go back and forth! Minimum range is 4. No 6. No 4! Take away knockback and TK object attacks. No wait, those are dumb ideas, bring them back!
Flavor text being gone hurts, i really like the flavor text for characters like Deadpool and She-Hulk.
I love the change for Pulse Wave, Support and Super Strength, the three having a big boost really make me excited to use past figures with those powers
No theme team prob??? Why the brilliant wizkids minds are slowly killing this awesome game??
It does kinda suck but I think everything else is a good change and I'm sure I'll get used to not having the theme probs in time. They will be sorely missed though.
I used to play this game ~20 years ago. Are there still 3 versions of the same clix (rookie, experienced, veteran) that look exactly the same?
Nope, they did away with the REV sets years ago. Though recently they have made legacy cards to make some of them playable in modern age
@@HeroclixHeadquarters Thanks, ok that's good. Are the clix still 1.5 inches?
@@superarsenal009 I believe the base is. A few years ago they started making the figures a little bit bigger to make the sculpts more detailed
..I `m Sorry.Whaaaat? Theme prob is kinda important But geting rid of it WOULD help me fumbling my rolls.
Btw : Batman:team-Up set IS a bit weird/unbalanced but it still is a fun set.atleast TTG Characters that i got are Great.
Question:
In a new rule TK
Cani move elevated terraine?
Ex.
I move xmxsL051a Banshee to elevated terraine and friendly character TK elevated terriane to destroy another terriane,
do xmxsL051a Banshee fall/take a knockback damage?
Thank you inadvance
Yes, specifically just the placeable elevated terrain markers though, not printed.
with the ability to TK shipping containers for 3 damage, can you opponent super sense / shape change out of taking damage? Im sure damage reducers still come into place for this (i.e Impervious, invincible, etc). Thanks in advance! love the videos!
It is an attack so yes super sense. Shape change, and reducers will all still apply. Also please check my pinned comment on this video because I made a mistake about using FREE TK to make object attacks, it doesn't actually work quite like that.
@@HeroclixHeadquarters nice thank you! I want to try out the uncommon Dr. strange from avengers forever with TK and then TK as free but only for himself. So I can FREE TK him into position and then POWER TK a shipping container to my opponent haha! Thanks !
@@2sanblade Better yet, it actually works off of a RANGE action not a POWER action (pretty much the reason I was mistaken about it in the first place lol) so he can actually tk himself, then running shot to make a RANGE terrain action with a shipping container! Lol
Just started playing this game a week ago and Team Prob was a big reason for my excitement. I'm a magic player and tribal just made sense to me. If this is the case long term I hope they create more Team Abilities. Guess the silver lining is this game isn't SO popular you can't play homebrew rule with a modified Team Prob. Either way this fuqin sucks.
I am too old to change in this crazy way... I will keep with the 2021 rules and the large maps... I fully dislike Wizkids policy about heroclix...
My Girl Hope Summers just got even more useful.
Yeah she did!
She is? Please tell me why?
Total sidebar, but I would be so hyped for a new Indy set, especially if it had image characters, and ESPECIALLY if Shadowhawk was one of the image characters. Of course a few spawns would be sweet, but Shadowhawk was my jam, I still have the full single issue runs, love that guy! If i remember correctly the OG indy set just had Dark Horse characters, which made sense b/c it was under DC comics...guessing Wizkids would need a new license agreement to roll out Image content, but it would be supa sweet, IMO.
I would kill for a savage dragon fig
Pretty much agree with everything you said. While I am also disappointed in losing ttpc, I understand why they are getting rid of it. I think their assessment was correct that most of the time it was used was to ensure that an initial alpha attack was sure to cripple an opponent. Since they seem to be trying to make alpha strike teams a bit less relevant (and I agree that would make a healthier gaming environment), making an alpha strike move way more risky that might not have prob support, will make sure that entire teams start mixing it up sooner.
I don't know, TTPC could also be used defensively when attacked by an alpha strike, still just as risky. Now, theme teams can't protect themselves against Big Meta OP teams, like the 2022 Champions team that had 0 theme. Now, theme teams best chance is to go first but let the Meta team decide the map or pick the map but give them the 1st turn to setup.
Personally, the map change, turn order, and placing 3 terrain at start was a big enough change to help counter alpha strike And turtle teams. But I'm glad some recent pieces will now be more useful competitively for a short time.
@@TheTMNTurtle Very fair point.
I’m pretty sure the free tk doesn’t apply to the RANGE power action. You would need RANGE as free.
Hmm... Yeah, looking at it again I think you might be right. That's what I get for talking from memory I guess, woop!
Great video! Do you know when the set is going to be release? I know Q2, but I'm not sure if there's a specific date. Also, wont the map changes be a huge buff for long range characters if you play with older sets?
It should release March 10th. We should get our first previews with Scott porters unboxing this coming Monday. And yes, longer range characters are definitely stronger but we can use both types of maps until they rotate so it shouldn't be too crazy.
@@HeroclixHeadquarters Thanks for the update! Okay, that makes sense!
Thumbnail is 🤌🏼
Thank you! 😀
I dig the format of new cards, but not in love with the graphics as much. I use card binder storage and I hate having to pull cards out to see stats and point value. That being said, will have to do the same for traited powers if the list is long enough…I feel like seeing stat/point lines are more relevant when window shopping down binder street for a team. TK/terrain update is awesome, can’t believe they ever removed the ability to damage with TK, glad it’s back. Also feel like reducing map size is connected to initiative/map roll…I’m assuming w/ 12 less squares btwn you and opponent, makes the decision of 1st move vs map a little heavier.
Good point about the cards, if you keep them in a binder I could see that being better. I keep mine in boxes so it makes no difference to me, and that's probably why I never would have thought of that.
How will the new equipment change affect the pink birthday pool ability that allows him to take equipment effects? (New player, might have misinterpreted the new rules)
Shouldn't change him at all, he can take a FREE action to use the effect of an equipment that's equipped to someone until your next turn and they can't use its effect during that time. New rules let you start equipped so it's faster if you want him to use your own friendlies equipment effects since you don't have to take the time to equip first.
In many ways I mixed feelings about the many rule changes; a little annoyed at the new card style (I prefer not to know my opponents characters dials), I have always thought that theme team probability rolls were a semi reward for being more thematic but I digress, I like that Super Strength was improved, I am very happy about the change to Spider Family moving away from a similar wild card team ability (way too strong to give them Green Lantern Team ability or anything else that is able to be copied), the map change is my least favorite (give some characters have 10 + range is makes such figures OP on smaller maps, yes it will speed games up however strategy will be sacrificed, larger maps require more thought process in how you will attack and defend simply because there are more squares to take into affect, for a simple example I will use the new Aquaman and Anarky= being able to put bombs or water terrain on a smaller map will make it nearly impossible for your opponent to navigate but that's just me. I think if you wanted to use smaller maps for battle royales or sealed tournaments or even another format then of course play on a smaller map with perhaps smaller build total.) Bringing Knock Back damage was long over due, the addition and reduction of quake was interesting but I removing it from being used in conjunction with Flurry makes sense. Adding terrain is interesting; however, I think unless is in relatively inexpensive it will be become yet another thing for competitive players to pursue which gives me pause. Removing the lore or quotes from characters feels like a let down, a relative simple thing to add text to why characters have the abilities they have or humor or serious words or what heroes and villains stand for is something like MTG had once upon a time with the lore and corresponding books, removing the lore and text to me is just cheapening the game. All the abilities going to a minimum of four range makes sense if wizkids intends for everyone to play on the smaller maps, the change to pulsewave range I thought is a good change as it simplifies it. I do like characters that can't fly being at least able to move to an edge of higher elevation and then being forced to stop, but I see how abusive this could be if your can't fly and your opponent has and keeps the high ground. I think I will go over the rules again but those are my thoughts so far.
What about those characters with insane range and movement? Are they just going to shoot your characters before you even move with the new maps? meh...I don't know. The rules seem to be aimed to make the game easier....again. Why can't the new and young players adapt? Why dumb down the game? Some old pieces like Shuma or the Living Tribunal are basically out for being to OP to these small maps.
Also making minimum 4 instead is going to make everything clustered, all pieces concetrated in one area, reducing tactics.
I still think the bigger sculpts are dumb. The new cards suck. 10 point hencmen can leap onto building tops and jump over lakes. We might as well just play on blank grids. Quake smashes whatever couple walls the tiny map might have had while super strength picks up a piece of flame barrier and invisible force fields? Theme teams don't mean crap. Barrier is garbage now. Incap continues to remain garbage. Bringing back knockback damage is a positive- but taking it away in the first place was stupid. As was taking away TK object attack. I wish everyone would stop trying to make dinner out of these crap sandwiches. Wizkids needs to get their poop together before they put themselves out of business again
These new rules, for the most part, absolutely suck. They're dumbing down the game and removing any strategy involved in game play. No value to themes at all. No value to map selection. Objects now totally useless. Rules actually make alpha strike teams even more powerful and broken.
I don't think so, there's a ton of strategy for choosing to go first and choose side or second and and choose map, as well as placing terrain at the start of the game cause now you can bring your own elevated, or blocking, or maybe even hindering for stealth or water for dolphin symbol characters. Objects are still about as useful as the ever were, especially as long as sakkarian Iron man is around. We'll just have to see about alpha strike teams though, I've heard good arguments for them being better and worse, time will tell.
Absolutely love these changes, the game keeps it's complexity but these rules clean it up. I've never been more happy to have knockback damage back, outwit their def powers and enjoy. Super strength finally won't feel useless, in fact it's going to be VERY strong. People will have to change the way they set up barriers, especially with only 4 range. Smaller maps are going to be great. Quake has great utility now. No theme team prob is a good thing imo, it was hard for newer players to remember and was just another thing to keep track of for them. Tk is more balanced, and having object attacks again makes so many old figs playable.
The only thing I really wish they added as an alternative style of play is objectives with victory points in a competitive format. Still hoping and praying they release something like this
Honestly the new design of the cards stink.