The OODA Loop: A Competitive Decision-Making Tool
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- Originally developed by Officer John Boyd for air combat, the OODA Loop is a competitive decision-making model that has been applied in business, sports, the military, and emergency management.
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I learned OODA Strategy from the book Buddha Badass. Applying it to my driving skills too ❤
Thanks a lot for the explanation. It takes some time to turn this into a habit.
Great explanation. Short and simple. Orient
Thanks.
OODA Loop. Learned it in the Marines and didn't realize it came from fighter jets pretty cool!
Chair force go weeeeeeeeeeeeeee~~~
Check out the biography of John Boyd. He developed it in the Air Force but taught it in the Marines, where he was revered for it. Title is “Boyd: The Fighter Pilot Who Changed the Art of War”
Well put together video, thanks for sharing!
Beautiful
Very nice explanation
thanks
"Orient" is still causing me some confusion...
If orient is active, then it involves some Action, thus requiring a Decision. If so, then I'd argue that "Active Orientation" is primary to Observation...
For example, sitting with a good view of a room and access to cover and exits - or positioning yourself to receive earlier indication, or more complete, information. So, to be an effective observer you must first exist in a "Orient->Observe" loop, which becomes your base behaviour. If a potential threat is identified, it becomes an "Orient->Observe->Decide" loop as you position more reactively, for view and opportunity - at this point, your Decisions seek to position yourself to act. At the point of engagement, it becomes an "Orient->Observe->Decide->Act" loop. And, Action _(since you should already have the initiative)_ will generally dictate its own reflexive reorientation to maintain safety and permit continued situational awareness till the threat is gone.
But then, the video shows something different... Orient is shown as a more passive, mental step....
In the example given, the Orient phase identified 4 options "Dive, Climb, turn or run" ... this seems to indicate that you're not orienting in space, but in mind. Orienting in space _(in the example)_ comes two stages later.
If Orient is passive, then sure, it's a precursor to Deciding - but becomes more akin to Analyse or Integrate.
*I imagine the "shoot/move" dynamic :*
If you're properly Oriented and aware prior to the 'Shoot', then the ''Move' decision and direction is already settled. Shoot and (Re)Position is a single atomic Act :
But the cycle begins BEFORE there's a threat...
A) Pre threat - "Active awareness drill" :
(Orient, Observe) loop. You cannot observe effectively without continuous orientation, so, effective observation is necessarily active. Here you're dancing with the environment.
B) Potential Threat identified - 'Active pre-engagement cycle'
(Orient, Observe, Decide) loop. Here we're in a three-way dance with the potential threats AND the environment. This is more dynamic, so we're leveraging on initiative.
C) Engagement - "Act quickly and decisively"
(Act + Re-Orient) as a single pre-decided Act! Reorientation is reflexive to the Action... our Threats are expected to react to the Act, not the Reorientation. So, we attempt to keep initiative and ensure that we don't let the Action leave us out of position or narrow down our situational awareness.
D) Having re-oriented, We're either back to B cycle .. or relaxing posture into A cycle.
E) If you get here, you made it home. Feet up, Netflix, Beer and chill. You likely have a dog, an alarm system, and warnings come early. ; )
I'm probably missing something important. I'm just Not sure I understand the OODA loop as an explanatory mechanism. I think the most essential thing you can do is drill on adrenaline management, by repeatedly doing both dynamic cerebral tasks and fine coordination tasks under REAL pressure. Ultimately, you can have all the fancy acronyms in the world - but when adrenaline hits, you'll find yourself in someone else's body. You're coping with blood flow restrictions, Lizard-brain, and fine-motor issues... so, you really need to drill on anxiety and truly get to know your body's autonomous responses.
OODA is only a model. Like any model, it is merely a representation. It promotes discussion. There is an advanced OODA Loop that goes more in depth, but it is also just a model.
Consider, you are always oriented in some direction. You are also always observing. So there is no “if orient is active” as there is no point in time in which you are not in a particular orientation. Even as you sleep, you are oriented in some direction (head on your pillow) and your senses are observing, albeit passively. If there is a loud noise, a decision is made regarding the noise (is it a threat) and you act by either ignoring the noise, or you attend to the noise by beginning to reorient (lifting your head from the pillow). The loop is ongoing, and many of the decisions we make and actions we take can happen intuitively with little deliberation.
Hi, i wanna ask. In active orientation, is a destination or goal must be spesific situation or condition, or can it just be principle? I mean, sometimes i don't know how the end, may you explain this to me?
It can be general. Our observations may not allow us to determine a specific goal or precise destination. It can be unclear or foggy. As we navigate through the fog we continue to observe, we learn, we gain more information, and this may require that we reorient. It is important to understand that our ability to observe can become better or worse as conditions change. We may have a clear goal in one moment and then find ourselves in the dark and disoriented. It is an ongoing process.
Thanks for the explanation. Why did you decide to explain orient first? Instead of starting from step 1/observe?
Good question. Although observe is first in the model, I wanted to stress that how you are oriented has a major influence on what can be observed. In this sense, I think it more accurate to express the model as a bidirectional observe orient rather than observe -> orient. But the video is just a basic overview that I wanted to keep short. There is an advanced OODA model www.managementstudyguide.com/observe-orient-decide-act-loop-decision-making.htm
@@DecisionSkills my understanding is Observe and Orient is a sub loop. But observe must be done first to trigger the start of the loop. Next exiting the sub loop and committing to a Decison and Acting on it to come back to observe. What do you think?
I see OODA as almost entirely a philosophical model. In my opinion, while the model can be very useful, it doesn’t accurately represent how people actually make decisions. While in the model you progress from observe to orient, in reality people continue to observe as they orient. In this sense there is no exiting of a sub loop, but rather you have multiple sub loops that are ongoing. A way to think about this is similar to having multiple processors working in tandem.
To trigger the start of the loop, to observe, consider what must be assumed up front. The person must already exist in a certain orientation. A way to think about this is when a person wakes up in the morning. The loop starts with observing, but the person waking up does so already oriented in an unknown direction. This unknown orientation limits what the person can observe. It is only through observation, then, that the person recognizes they are oriented on their back looking at the ceiling rather than on their side looking at the alarm clock. So while observation is the first step, this first step is preconditioned by orientation.
If you want an evidence-based, rather than philosophical model of how people make decisions I would recommend learning about the Recognition Primed Decision Model (RPD). www.decisionskills.com/recognition-primed-decision-model.html
Richard
Both Boyd and Chet Richards stress the criticality of orientation. Quite honestly I think it frames - as Richard put it - “what can be observed”. It’s how some orientations can collapse into toxicity in ways that compel people to make decisions and take actions that seemingly have little basis in “objective” reality.
So look at the problem, understand the problem, decide on a solution and carry it out. Isn’t that just decision making/problem solving in a nut shell? Unless you are acting without thinking, I would have thought most people are doing this automatically.
It is competitive decision making/problem solving. Not all problems are competitive. OODA is a tool that frames the discussion. How do you observe the enemy before the enemy observes you?
@@DecisionSkills so I heard about this for other circumstances but something we learned was if your on one of the steps past observe, say orient, and your opponent does something like move to an unexpected place then your loop starts over because your orientation has changed in relation to them. Also it was important to take actions to reset the enemy’s loop because that gives you an advantage as you are closer to act. This is just what I’ve been taught, I do not have a lot of experience putting this to use and was wondering your opinion. Great video.
@@matthewleach1368 one thing to consider is OODA is philosophy more than an accurate model of how we make decisions. OODA suggests a cyclical or phased process, requiring you to "start over" if the enemy does something unexpected. But how we actually make decisions is not so precise. We can be in the middle of an action while at the same time we are observing and orienting. The phases...in some sense...happen concurrently rather than sequentially.
I find OODA valuable, because it is both simple and it offers a useful concept for competitive decision making. It promotes a good discussion. The idea of how you may benefit by getting inside of or otherwise disrupt the loop of the competition can influence tactics.
But to understand how we actually make decisions I prefer the RPD model. It may seem like a linear or phased process, but the corresponding research stresses that we are "sensemaking" at the same time that we are considering actions and moving to implement them. There is an interdependent relationship between the "steps" or phases.
Hope that helps.
What niche are these types of skills in?
OODA is used in the military, 1st responders, sports, business, or any domain that involves competitive decision-making.
@@DecisionSkills you mentioned it is for competitive decision making, but talk about it being used by first responders while showing what I'm assuming to be an EMT and fire fighter.
I'm unclear on the boundries of when one should be employing this vs some other decision making method.
@@dynamicworlds1 The use of first responders is to point out that a competitive DM tool can be useful in dynamic environments such as emergency management. Competition is not strictly limited to out-competing another individual or team, e.g. an enemy fighter pilot.
Firefighters or EMT's work in dynamic, complex, high-stakes environments under time pressure. OODA is useful under these conditions. Imagine a firefighter able to observe changes in the dynamics of a fire faster, being able to orient, decide, and act faster, in essence outcompeting the fire, reducing the loss of life and property.
As far as boundary conditions, I think 'time' is a major condition as well as the 'structure' of the problem. With unlimited time and a static environment, there is less value in OODA.
Any other Gs out here from TRW……? 🤫
Если кто увидит американцев в селе Пугачи или Красное не пугайтесь, они учат OODA.