Episode one from a documentary serial on wreck diving based on material from a trip to the Bikini Atoll with the MV Windward back in July 2014 by Kydroon and others
Dear audience, I invite you to take a look at the episone on "exploring the USS Saratoga" and looking forward to your comments. czcams.com/video/BG87S6szDJM/video.html
Kydroon A few important corrections. 1. Its pronounced "Oy-gen", not "You-jen". 2. Its NOT a battleship, it's a heavy cruiser. 3. While battleships were outdated and no longer produced after ww2, cruisers ARE still produced, and are very useful, for many of the same reasons they have always been useful.
Absolutely! She's called the Prinz Eugen - that's Prince Oygen in phonetic terms. Never a battleship, she was a cruiser and thus only had a marginal part in the Hood sinking. As a matter of fact, my late father who was a Royal Navy officer, was a friend of one of the 3 men who survived the Hood sinking. I remember meeting this man when I was a child and living in Cosham on the outskirts of Portsmouth where he too lived in an apartment for the elderly retired. A fascinating man with a whole host of wartime memories and anecdotes. He was a bridge wing signaller hence he "got off" whilst the rest of the crew in the stricken hull perished. This is my memory which I believe to be most relevant to this CZcams clip. Best regards, Freya, now living in France
the South dakota and Iowa class battleships handled themselves quite nicely during the war with the Iowa class serving until the end of the cold war, calling them obsolete is ignorant on your end
@@curious5887 No, it`s not. Battlecruisers (an informal title, not official ) were capital -ships, gunned like battleships but with just somewhat thinner armour. Prinz Eugen was a heavy cruiser of Admiral Hipper - class, with 203mm main armament: in comparison battlecruiser main guns were varying from 280mm to 381mm, or even more with some ”Fisher`s follies”.
Great video but the ship is certainly not a Battleship or a Capital Ship, it is a Heavy Cruiser and its name is pronounced ''prinz oygen'' On 4:00 that is not HMS Hood, it is Bismarck firing on Hood. Kurt, please make the necessary changes and let this video take the place it deserves. With best regards, George.
I made the mistake of saying Prints Oygen in the presence of a hotel owner in Wilhelmshaven. She put me right. Incidentally, this hotel has a superb model of the Prinz Eugen. It is the Hotel Kaiser. Another hotel with a very good model is the Hotel Admiral Scheer at Laboe.
@Don: I would take the time an make the changes (not in the voiceover, this would be external costs) when you can tell me how to overcome this problem: www.quora.com/How-can-you-replace-a-video-on-CZcams-while-keeping-the-same-URL
@Kydroon: Kurt, you are right, my understanding of video uploading issues was laughable. Your video contains excellent footage and is the second most recommended video when searching '' prinz eugen '' on CZcams. It would be a magnificent one if those corrections could be implemented.
Hello Don, as already written several times. This was just an experiment for me and a great fun to get away from boring vacation clips. I think many of us try to get closer to BBC or National Geographic piacles of art, even thou they will remain light years away. Well, we definitely need visions to motivate us. I am totally overwhelmed by the majority of the feedback which is very positive. Now, if I would think about a "remake" It would need more than just the tiny corrections. I would like to enhance and extend a little more and I kindly invite you to make some suggestions. This is not a promise, but I really need a reason to touch it again, so what would you change, add, delete?
Thanks buddy :) I’m afraid that if the new video is to be made longer, time consuming research will be needed regarding operation ‘’Rheinübung’’, probably armor effectiveness of various ship types, angling and immune distances researched, ballistic data of 14 , 15 inch and 203mm shells discussed, that would take ages and possibly non expert CZcams viewers will be bored by the middle of the video. So a 4-5 minute long video might be appropriate for a wider audience. Regarding the existing text if I may make a few suggestions. (I'm not a historian just an enthusiast) Regarding the economics of Nazi Germany, building cruisers was a considerable cost but it was manageable, the real burden was the building of battleships (Bismarck, Tirpitz, Scharnhorst and Gneisenau) as Kriegsmarine did not get the raw material priority to build the units it needed. (also the lunatic started his war before the Kriegsmarine was ready). The crossbow comment on 3:46 might be a little controversial (the gunpowder comment is accurate). Also something a bit controversial might be whether ‘’cruiser warfare tactics’’ involving heavy units in the North Atlantic could be considered obsolete. Well, beyond any doubt, battleships were obsolete in the Pacific, especially due to Imperial airpower and good weather conditions, but in the North Atlantic the situation with the Brits was a bit different in 1941. Also you can find ballistic data on the links below. www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WNGER_15-52_skc34.php www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WNGER_8-60_skc34.php
Waste? It's an honor for a ship to die in the ocean for it was built to fight in it and die as well in it. Also, the wreckage could be used by local marine wildlife as their homes.
@@realThomastheCat it will be more useful if it is made inti a museum. Like HMS Belfast. Even Yamato that sunk deep in the ocean floor have her own museum..
Agreed. If it could've been preserved as a museum war trophy along with the Japanese capital ships that were sunk, it would've been marvelous. And the WWII fighters and bombers that were also scrapped following the war. Imagine a P-51 now, or a B-17 Bomber, and tanks too. Sad.
dr1Voss48 if they hadn't been sunk there for the Crossroads tests, they would have been sunk in a live fire exercise or sold for scrap. So very few of our ships became museums, it would be doubtful if anyone would have spent the money to do that to captured ships.
Chuck Van there are beautifully preserved P51 Mustangs, B17, B24's. Tanks and such. My dad worked as a volunteer on the DD793, CASSIN YOUNG, across the dock from the USS CONSTITUTION. He never spent time on a tin can until he retired and joined the crew of wonderful folks in the YOUNG. He was on the APA198 USS McCracken. The MIAMI, and took the PRINZ EUGEN to its final resting place.
It breaks mine also, I just don't think that certain historical ships should have been made to glow in the dark and sink just for testing a nuclear bomb, but it all boils down to financing and responsibility for storage, maintenance, ect, if something else is done with it. It costs a fortune to maintain a ship, even if it's not in operational status, say, just as a museum. There are several large WWII era warships on display around the country, (USA), if you happen to be interested, though. I visited the battleship USS North Carolina several years ago and had a great time. Do a Google search and you'll find all of the info.
ceconk123 this footage was filmed from the prinz eugen during the battle of the Denmark straight. That pillar of smoke is the flaming wreck of the hood as she goes down.
It's more like an honorable sending off. Better than being scrapped for spare metal, at least they can be visited by divers and be used as homes for marine life.
@@Amaryllis6731 museum ship wasnt a option you have to remember this was a german ww2 ship and have to also remember what stigma was around (and to a large portion even to today) anything associated with nazi germany no one is going to give the ship the right to be a museum ship at that period and tbh this was a better fate then many well loved ships of the era got idd also mention that as far back as the 70s the ship was deemed no longer radioactive
Prinz Eugen was an Admiral Hipper-class heavy cruiser, the third member of the class of five vessels. She served with Nazi Germany's Kriegsmarine during World War II. The ship was laid down in April 1936, launched in August 1938, and entered service after the outbreak of war, in August 1940. She was named after Prince Eugene of Savoy, an 18th century Austrian general.
let's face it - both most likely. you don't go watching azur lane without being a history nerd. Unless you just looking for anime with girls only. .....mhmm... now that I think about it :)
"These are the remains of the battleship, Prinz Eugen." 1. It's Prinz Oi-gen, not Prinz yu-gen. 2. She isn't a battleship, she's a Admiral Hipper-class Heavy Cruiser. 3. Prinz Eugen in Azur Lane was...... MMMMM!!
2:00 "It was a relatively small battleship, as Germany was bound by the Treaty of Versailles." Actually, Germany paid no attention to that treaty at all and basically lied about the weight of the 'Deutschland' class Panzer ships (or pocket battleships), the Admiral Hipper class heavy cruisers, the Scharnhorst class battle-cruisers. and the Bismarck class battleships. At 212.5 meters length over all, the Prinz Eugen was really big for a heavy cruiser. Actually longer than many allied battleships. Good film sequence but your research and fact checking is pretty sad.
@Andrew: I am thankful for precise facts. As you may have seen, I was posting, that I may edit a revised cut with some corrections and some more details. So what exactly are examples of the breach? From my understanding caliber and displacement were the two thresholds. Caliber is easy to track, but displacement allows some creative interpretation, right?
Kydroon If you do decide to rework the voiceover I would recommend getting in touch with Drachinifel. He is the foremost in WWI and WWII naval ships in my opinion. czcams.com/users/Drachinifel
Amen! She was not, nor was ever intended to be a battleship. Under 20,000 tons and 8×8inch guns makes you a heavy cruiser. Wish people would study their subject a bit more. I think folks are now calling it "fact checking"
My father was one of the American crew that brought this ship from the East coast, down through the Panama Canal, and then on to the A Bomb test sight. He was a Chief Petty Officer and spoke and read German, and he had been a Chief of the boiler room on the USS Colorado for years. His experience there and his language skills qualified him for the voyage. When they left the Prinz Eugen at anchor, they were told they could take anything they could carry, as it would sink anyway. Two explosions later it was sill afloat. I have the absolutely beautiful, gimbal candle stick holder from the ship and a few other small items. Why did they have candle stick holders you ask? Well, when the electricity goes out, you need light, right? Those Germans were a smart lot.
@@fwinkler112 that may have not been allowed. Most of the treasures taken were from inside the ship, they needed to see what damage the bombs caused on the outer hull. It would have been great to get that crest though. He did also get a small ID plate off of one of the boilers with the name Prinz Eugen on it.
@@1949rangerrick In terms of the blast tests some of the ships had livestock penned out on the decks to examine blast exposures and radiation levels. Don't know if Eugen also had this sad "crew" during her two test blasts. Grisly but true.
My dad was on this ship from San Diageo, thru Pearl and to the Bikinis. After the test, Operation Crossroads - Baker test, about a dozen guys went back aboard to document damage, and take temperature and radiation readings. Jack, my dad, and a buddy were below when a chief told everyone to get back in the boat because it was too hot, radiation wise. When dad came back up on deck it was only the two of them on board. They were left over night due to dark and debris in the water. They were prescribed a lot of showers for a long time. My picture is me with dad.
Prinz Eugen (named after Prinz Eugen of Savoy) was exposed to a series of blasts in the atomic testing at Kwajalein atoll in 1946. Testing indicated that she weathered these blasts very well, but that there were numerous hyper radiation spots or areas on the vessel preventing entry into the lower parts of the ship by test examination crews following the blasts. She sat for some months while crews were waiting for the dissipation of these extreme level radiation areas. All large ships tend to take on water no matter how well they are made and maintained, and Prinz Eugen was no different. Test crews knew that they had to enter the ship to activate the pumps, to maintain ballast and evacuate water ingress. They could not do this, even wearing radiation suits- such was the level of radiation the ship was exposed to... a death sentence for any one entering the ship. After some months, decision was made to tow this beautiful ship to port to initiate cleaning procedures (which was a priority as US test series Baker, Trinity etc exposed ships and materials to radiation and they wanted to know whether or not any kind of cleaning clearance procedure would work to permit re-deployment of affected ships). Unfortunately, while being towed, Prinz Eugen began to sink. Efforts to beach her proved very difficult as the flow of water in this particular neck of the woods is very powerful and treacherous. Wreck diving on this particular ship is a dangerous enterprise for this reason. Anyway, long story short, Prinz Eugen capsized near the shore and remains there to this day. In the 1980's (I believe), German museum staff (Laboe) removed with permission of the US government one of the screws (props) and took it back to Northern Germany for memorial. This is why the port outer screw is missing. Subsequent evaluation by US government in the early 1970's indicated that radiation levels on the Prinz Eugen are now minimal. Lastly, KMS Prinz Eugen was taken as a war prize following Germany's surrender on the 8 May 1945. KMS Prinz Eugen was then claimed by the US and re-commissioned 'USS Prinz Eugen'. technically, it is no longer a German heavy cruiser, but a US navy heavy cruiser.
I think I read somewhere (Jane's Fighting Ships of WWII?) that Prinz Eugen was given an IX series number and therefore classified as a Miscellaneous Auxiliary, like the USS Constitution. I don't think she ever got a CA/CL series Cruiser designation. Also, I was wondering about the radiation level, as metal absorbs and holds radiation for a long time; I guess dunking the entire vessel in sea water (with its electrolytes) acted like a long term NBC scrub. Still, notice how relatively little marine life clings to the hull, compared to a lot of other WWII wrecks in the Pacific. Thanks for the epilogue, Steu Brell.
You refer to the Bismark being damaged in the battle with the H.M.S. Hood as being hit in the stern. She was actually hit in the bow in that battle. The hit in the stern that enabled her to be caught actually occured after the Bismark and Prinz Eugen split up 2 days later. The stern hit was actually caused by British swordfish torpedo planes. The hit in the Bismarks bow in the Hood battle was actually a 14 inch shell from the battleship Prince of Wales which damaged a fuel tank. This damage is why the Bismark was found and sunk as she was headed to western France to repair the fuel leak. The H.M.S. Hood actually never hit Bismark. Her gunners never found the correct range and she originally opened fire on Prinz Eugen not Bismark. The hit that sank the Hood could have come from either the Bismark or Prinz Eugen as either ship's guns could have penetrated Hood's armor due to a weak spot in her design. This flaw was to be fixed at her next refit scheduled to take place several months after she was sunk. If her refit had taken place at the time of the battle with Bismark, Hood might have survived the battle. She was sunk by a shell that hit an unarmored part of her deck that exploded amongst 300 tons of gun powder in her magazines for her 15 inch main guns that blew Hood in half. Only 3 men of Hood's crew survived the battle.
Thank you. very much for the detailed feedback! I am actually fetching up all stuff for a next version, however, I have no idea when I will able to do this.
Well her deck amor was going to be upgraded but the extra amor was only 30% likely meaning the ship would still have sunk the same way after the refit sadly but I get were your coming from
Bismarck was disabled by a torpedo which damaged the steering gear, the captain of Bismarck ordered for the ship to be scuttled, the British damaged her and the Germans sank her to prevent the ship falling into enemy hands.
The Prinz Eugen (pronounced Pranz Oy-gen) was a German *Heavy Cruiser* The Admiral Hipper class were *Heavy Cruisers* Its just so heartbreaking, the Prinz Eugen was in itself a highly advanced warship, even more so than her sisters, powerful and aesthetically beautiful. Her sheer luck alone made her deserving of recognition. Its a shame she's been left to rust so casually
My great uncle was killed in a Bristol Beaufort trying to sink the Eugen off the coast of Norway. He was the only body found from his aircraft and is buried in Sola. Thanks for the footage off this ships resting place.
I lived on Kwaj for over a decade an the Prinz Eugen was the wreck I dove the most - close to 100 dives. A bit on the murky side for the lagoon but many thing to see.
1. Prinz Eugen wasn't too complicated to be operated. It was in need of extensive overhaul from its use during the war. It was taken as a prize after the war, and the US had no use for it. If it hadn't been used for the Able-Baker bomb tests, it would have been sunk in gunnery training or sold for scrap. 2. It wasn't "kindly allowed" to participate in the A-Bomb test. It was selected because it's hull was in great shape, making it a good test subject. 3. You pronounced the islands name incorrectly. Kwa-dge-line. 4. Germany had no problem building Battleships, or operating them. The German Surface Navy was useless because it was too small to be a serious threat. All Battleships were effective until it was proven that the Aircraft Carrier was capable of overwhelming the defenses of ships and sinking them. 5. Bismark was lightly damaged by Hood, and was heading to Brest to fix a leaking fuel tank. A torpedo from a carrier plane jammed its rudder, giving other battleships a chance to catch it.
Agreed. The major naval powers of the allies each had a chance to take her as a prize. And none of them didnt take her because of operations issues. The US actually had quite a large population of german peoples and a lot of defectors. The UK couldnt afford to modernize and operate her and she didnt fall into their existing naval structure. The UK reused some of the more modern u-boats for a time though. The USSR claimed several german cruisers making one a flagship and using a second in atomic testing and almost certainly wanted Eugen to operate as part of their small and out of date fleet. The US had a massive excess of ships from wartime production and was trying to get rid of them. Nonetheless, they took Prinz Eugen so the USSR could not have it and used it along with several of their own decommissioned ships as target practice for the atomic bomb
This comment section is a great testament of why you don’t make mistakes in CZcams videos. Our free content needs to be thoroughly researched like it’s a 3h documentary, damnit!
Correction: at 2:06 you call her a Battleship. Prinze Eugan was not a Battleship and was actually large for an 8 inch heavy Cruiser due to her needing extended range without support and replenishment ships. She was mistaken for being Battleship Bismarck at first in the Battle of the Denmark Strait. One of her sister ships was considered for being converted into an Aircraft carrier. Other than total tonnage the Treaty didn't affect her design at all.
Despite all the flack for your video and other faux pas - I think the video quality was good and you have handled the criticism like a true professional well done kydroon
I swear that when he said that I cringed and thought that this must have been a distorted translation into English from another language rife with "small battleships"!
Prinz Eugen as a Cruiser EXCEEDED the treaty limitation Tonage by a LARGE margin. Placing up to other treaty cruisers of its time it would have taken them easily one on one.
Great footage! Seems like a nice dive. The Eugen is my favorite ww2 warship due to its impressive history. Operation Rheinübung with Bismarck, The Channel Dash with the Sharnhorsts, deployment to Norway with Tirpitz, shelling of the soviets etc. A shame that she did not end like a museumship, that would have been awesome. As others have already commented, she is not a battleship (nor battlecruiser). She was however amongst the largest and most modern heavy cruisers at the start of the war. With a crew of 1.400, she would have almost twice the number of british ships of the same category. Also, she was probably the most advanced cruiser by the first years of the war. ^ Also, she was not the only surviving German surface unit, but indeed the largest and most powerful. Smaller German ships did also survive the war :-)
+danishrammstein impressive history? For what This video is for idiots first it was not battleship it was obsolete heavy cruiser. And it was not to complicated for the USN to operate far from it. The USN did not want this piece of crap it was forced on them by Royal Navy. It had most inefficient engineering plant installed on any warship in WW2 that's why the USN could not operate this piece of crap that lost stern from one torpedo hit, weak armour, weak main battery and light weight shell and obsolete gun directors.
+abe lincoln While I disagree with you in terms of the overall innovative features of the ship, your argument has nothing to do with her impressive service history. The Eugen was involved in many famous operations during the war, while operating with almost all famous German WW2 ships. I know that the machinery of the Hipper-class had many issues, but in terms of overall design, speed, gunnery (and more specifically, optical rangefinders, shell-range etc) this class of ships were actually very advanced for their time. The US Navy actually spend quite a lot of time investigating the ship during 45/46.
+danishrammstein The US Navy did not want the PE it was forced on them by the Royal Navy who captured this barge. The PE was 2 full generations behind WW2 greatest heavy cruisers the Baltimore Class the older Northampton and New Orleans Class heavy cruisers were better fighting ships. The PE had no blind fire capability, weak armour and engineering plant that was garbage. As for Bikini A bomb test the older US cruisers Salt Lake City and Pensacola were moored next to ground zero in both test survived were towed across the pacific and had to be sunk by naval gunnery exercises. The PE was moored the furthest distance then any other ship in both test and sunk by itself latter on nothing amazing about that.
+abe lincoln Whether or not the US Navy was originally interested in the Eugen, I do not know. What I DO know is that the ship was extensively examined be the americans. A passive sonar array was even installed on a US submarine for testing. Also, the fire control system of Prinz Eugen made the US further investigate in agnetic amplifier technology. So that the US had absolutely no interest in the ship is just not true. If so, they could have simply scuttled her of the US coast upon receiving it. As of 1930's cruiser design, the Hippers were not perfect (nor was the US designs), but they were nowhere near as bad as you suggest. Yes, the machinery had problems (mostly due to the German tendency of over-complicating their designs) and the stern of German ships were mostly quite weak. But, as I mentioned earlier, the gunnery, optical equiptment, speed and yes, also the overall armor was not bad at all.
+danishrammstein First the PE armour was poor her sister blucher on her first mission was easily sunk by 50 year old weapons fired by cooks and bakers in Norway. The Prinz Eugen was at least 2 generations behind the Baltimore Class from armour the best armour installed on cruisers was Class A US armour, to the main battery, better trained officers and crew during the so called channel dash the PE did nothing its only real action was with the bismarck and we all know how that turned out. the best axis cruisers by far were IJN as was the best axis navy.
This randomly popped in my recommendations,The Warship (Not a Battleship) Prinz Eugen was such a good ship sadly she was taken by the Royals and then given as a gift to the USS just for them to make her a Nuke test
I don't believe that the Royal Navy ever had legal charge of the ship as the US Navy had early-on staked their claim to her as a war prize. They also wanted to examine her turbines and armament. They removed one main gun barrel at Brooklyn. Wonder if its still there?
Those vessels are already to far corroded to be any seaworthy. Not to mention the possible left over radiation of the nukes on and in the ship. And last but not least the ridiculous price it would cost to raise it.
Interesting! Nice reef!.......would have made a rare museum though.....very little remains of this Historic Navy,flawed as it may have been but interesting!
Heavy cruiser people this is a heavy cruiser. the only cruiser ship to be named a battleship was the deutshland class heavy cruisers. named pocket battleships by the british. armed with 11" guns. Germany called them "panzershif" meaning battleship. if eugen was a battleship it would have been a second Bismarck.
Dear Mauro, when you scroll down the comments you will notice, you are not the first to correct this. I take full responsibility and want to explain. Believe it or not, even though I love wreck diving I am not at all into, let's call it: naval details. I used the term "battle ship" without being aware that it is a class definition. Communication can go so wonderfully wrong ;-) From my point of view it was a "ship" to be used in "battle" so: "battleship". Sorry, next time be assured I will call it a heavy cruiser. However, my point was and still is, that "battle ships", "battle cruisers" or "heavy cruisers" where technological sophisticated but economically - using now Trump lingo: a total disaster ;-)
Dear Kydroon, thanks for this, thanks for the sharing, her story is way way more than a 5 min video allows, congrats on visiting her, what an honor to get to visit her, looking forward to the real Saratoga video, thanks again!
Prinz Eugen is a heavy cruiser, not a battlecruiser, or battleship. And she was not outdated, or outclassed, she was simply outnumbered during WWII. Recall, her companion the Bismark was sunk by Battleships, albeit crippled by a Swordfish.
@all viewers: Thank you very much for you attention! I am really overwhelmed by the interest. It was just an experiment to spice up dive clips that are usually dead boring. Thank you for ALL your comments! I am really assembling material and ideas for a remake, however this will not cut off this version, as CZcams does not offer any way to edit after it has been published and I just do not want to delete >100k view, as you may understand 😀
Kydroon, I know you have copped some flack over this but I like your enthusiasm. However there is a need to re-address many items. As stated the Prinz Eugen was a heavy cruiser, and one of the finest of its type. She escorted the Battleship Bismarck (note the spelling with the 'c'). The video is of the Bismarck firing at the Hood as seen from Prinz Eugen. The narration of the Bismarck's pursuit is totally inaccurate. the Bismarck was damaged in the bow section during the battle and took in water to one of her forward fuel tanks. She was losing fuel and did not have enough fuel to continue the mission. An omission to refuel earlier when she could have now meant the admiral on board the Bismarck to decide to make for repairs at Brest in France. He ordered the Prinz Eugen to continue on with the mission. Thus they departed company. For the British they had to slow the Bismarck down before she reached the safety of German aircover and Brest. Two attacks from the aircraft carrier Ark Royal were made, the first on the british light cruiser Sheffield, the second on the Bismarck. A chance in a million torpedo from one of the Swordfish torpedo bombers hit the stern of the ship and locked the steering gear (rudders). All attempts to release the lock failed. The British battleships Rodney and King George V , plus cruiser Dorsetshire reduced her to a blazing wreck. Survivors of the crew said the order was given to scuttle. It coincided with the time of the torpedos from the Dorsetshire. That in essence is the story of the mighty Bismarck's final days
You left out the more serious damage to Bismarck's engines (flooding two boiler rooms causing two of Bismarck's 12 boilers to be out of action, reducing its speed. Bismarck's flight towards the French coast was at 25 knots, not its normal maximum speed of 30 knots. Had Prince of Wales not scored this hit on Bismarck's engines it might have been able to escape its pursuers. The attack by the torpedo bomber on the stern of the ship was an attempt to slow it. Scoring a hit on propellers or the propeller shaft could have further reduced Bismarck's speed. Instead, they hit a rudder which caused it to turn off course. I agree it was a lucky hit but think that 1 in a million is a bit of an overestimate of it. Of course if Bismarck had gotten to France for repairs its continued fate might have been like the Tirpitz, with heavy bombers hitting the port on a regular basis to inflict further damage on the ship (keeping it in for repairs) and battleships and aircraft carriers kept on hand with reconnaissance flights watching for any signs of Bismarck sortieing out which would have just started the hunt again.
Thank you! 8×8inch guns and under 20,000 tons makes you a heavy cruiser! And what a beautiful ship she was! Hate it when the "experts" don't know their subject.
She was one of the rare ships that actually survived the war,...taken as a war prize her fate was decided,along with other proud ships as a test ship for an A-bomb. Designated a cruiser she served with Bismarck and had a storied career.
Why the hell would you every want the memory of this part of our past to fade away?! This must never happen again and so we must preserve its memory in as great of detail as possible
Why the hell do you think I put in the time to edit and publish this material if I would somehow think "it is OK, when our memory on this type of crap fades away". OK, I may be overly sarcastic and ironic, but I am also surprised so many overdo not get I am just a fatalistic sarcastic guy...
at 4:21 that some serious oilslick on the right handside of the screen...did that dive tour boat clean out his bilges or did the divers disturb something below? still leaking oil after 75 years???
She was the commissioned U.S. Navy vessel USS Prinz Eugen at the end. She survived both nukes with little damage, but radiation made it impossible to fix a minor leak. She eventually capsized and sank.
"...turned out to be too complicated to be operated by the U.S. Navy..." That's a funny way to say it was built in metric. Nuked for using sensible units of measurement: even for the Americans, that's pretty extreme.
PETERVONFROSTER oxidation has probably dissolved the outer layers of the steel that became "activated" buy the neutron radiation from the blast. it would have been the superstructure and other parts that where above water that where in direct line of sight of the initial flash so since the Eugen was upside down her super structure is in the mud.
Radiation dissipates after time. Hiroshima and Nagasaki are thriving cities today. There probably is only slightly higher background radiation. As with any radiation, don't spend a lot of time there, and you won't get sick.
If it didn't violate the copy right I would use this footage and describe the ship in my own words for a better understanding of her. She wasn't a Battleship. She was not restricted in tonnage due to the Naval Treaties due to Germany not being able to build 3 and almost 4 of her class.
Not at all. The water shields radiation and has washed off most affected particles in the last 50 years. You can even live on Bikini. You should just not eat or drink anything from there.
I might be redundant in saying this, but the DKM Prinz Eugen was a heavy cruiser that was in DKM Bismarck's group. Prinz Eugen didn't help sink the HMS Hood, it was the Bismarck that did her in. Before you make another video, please conduct thorough research on the matter in which you are covering. The inaccuracies and myths detracted from a good video. And the announcer sounded too synthetic. Maybe use a live person to narrate next time...
Dear Big Jim, thank you very much for your comments. I have tried to explain this so many time I stopped counting. As a German, who is not at all deep into the marine topic the word combination "battle - ship" translates to a ship for battles. Nothing more. I was simply not aware of the strict classification everybody is keen to get fixed. I really got it. The next is the pronunciation. Believe me, again as a German, I know how to pronounce it and found it more funny as annoying as I got back the voice over from the voiceover artist I engaged (you can read the name of the real person at the end of the movie). I never thought anybody would care a rats ass about it, but again you never stop learning. Labeling the Bismarck as HMS Hood is a mistake I really apologize for. This could not have been filmed as the ships have been simply too far away during the engagement combined with bad weather. Regarding the contribution of Prinz Eugen I think this is really debatable, as it was part of the group and attracted the fire from MHS Hood at the beginning. I would always consider any outcome as a group success or failure. However, I am totally surprised by the enormous attention this video is getting. After all, it is just a spiced up mesh up of my diving clips. I am really considering to produce a corrected and enhanced version and I am very thankful for substantial information you can send to kydroon [at] gmail.
The Prinz Eugen was a cruiser not a battleship. There were only 3 ships of the Admiral Hipper class. Two more were planned but not finished. One hull was sold to the Soviet Union and used there.
Aaaaahhhhh!!! I got it, I really got it! Believe me or not I was aware of this from the very first time I received the voiceover from my narrator. As I am GERMAN I really know how Prinz Eugen is pronounced. I just thought... hey come on, who really cares... f* it! After all is is a really good voiceover and remaking would simply cost more. OK I got my lesson: It is heavy cruiser vs battle cruiser and how to pronounce Prinz Eugen... ;-) BTW: Nobody has spotted so far the horrible mispronunciation of "Bundesbank" ;-)
Ok, I'm going to clear up this issue of Battlehip vs Heavy cruiser, the fact is you're both wrong. As everyone knows both of these float on top of the water where as this one is quite clearly an underwater warship.... which make it a Submarine.
Submarines did not exist until some point after WWII. Howerver, u-boats did, which makes this a u-boat: Underwater boat. difference being that a submarine can stay underwater for months, only really having to surface for new orders or supplies, while a u-boat had to surface to do basically anything except travelling. They even had to come to at least periscope depth in order to attack other vessels.
Prince Eugen was a heavy Cruiser, not a Battleship! The Gross Tonnage is 3 to 4 times heavier for a Battleship! You should learn about what you are narrating!!
Dear commenters, I highly appreciate feedback. I also know how Prinz Eugen should be pronounced - my fault - next time my speaker will get better instructions. The debate between battle cruiser or heavy cruiser is also something I was not aware of upfront (www.dcr.net/~stickmak/JOHT/joht39shipvscruiser.htm). Let me repeat: I bow in awe for the people who built and operated this pinnacle of technology!
+Kydroon Tell me one thing on the prinz eugen that was pinnacle of technology? You post lies that you believe Nazi fan boys will back you up. The truth the Hipper Class were Ww2 worse heavy cruisers they had WW2 most inefficient enginerring plant installed on any warship in WW2 weak armour, weak main battery, the aircraft catapult installed in the middle of the ship creating fire hazard. lousy gun directors, poorly trained crew. So I ask you again what was the pinnacle of technology on the PE? kriegsmarine freaks have to post lie after lie to defend WW2 worse surface navy.
+abe lincoln Tel me one thing. Do you actually listen to the voice? You may do, but then you may have difficulties understanding, because I do not say that. I say: "Battle ships (in general) are the pinnacle of the combined economical and technological power of NATIONS (in general) ... they deserve more respect". Do you think you could also show a little more respect here (in general)? However, I am sure you can troll even more on episode 2: czcams.com/video/g-t3LyuLh6A/video.html
+Kydroon Your words, I bow in awe for the people who built and operated this pinnacle of technology. Those people were murdering Nazi animals who started WW2 and murdered millions as for the PE it was obsolete garbage on the drawing board along with the rest of the kriegsmarine fleet from the 2 WW1 design commerce raiders bismarck and tirpitz to WW2 worse destroyers the kriegsmarine destroyers.
+abe lincoln Whats wrong with you?! I am speaking about ALL battleships from ALL nations! THEY (the ships, all ships) not THIS. Try to listen more careful, then try harder... ...and if you are from the US, then please shut the f* up and look at what you great nation has and is doing, OK?
+Kydroon Battleships were never pinnacle of technology they ruled the seas and this is debatable from only 1906 to 1941. Billy Mitchell proved battleships were obsolete in 1923. sinking Ostfreisland, Virginia and New Jersey with primitive aircraft off Virginia.
@@fwinkler112 I meant in terms of sound. I did not mean to insult you guys, I actually want to learn German one day! That’s why I was so miffed about the pronunciation being butchered, lol
They should definitely consider raising this sucker. It's the only german ship that could be easily raised. Imagine this thing fully restored and docked as a museum
It wasn't a battleship, it was a heavy cruiser. And the US Navy didn't want it because it kept breaking down. And it's correct name was Prinze Eugen (pronounced Oigen).
Dear audience, I invite you to take a look at the episone on "exploring the USS Saratoga" and looking forward to your comments. czcams.com/video/BG87S6szDJM/video.html
Kydroon
A few important corrections. 1. Its pronounced "Oy-gen", not "You-jen". 2. Its NOT a battleship, it's a heavy cruiser. 3. While battleships were outdated and no longer produced after ww2, cruisers ARE still produced, and are very useful, for many of the same reasons they have always been useful.
Absolutely! She's called the Prinz Eugen - that's Prince Oygen in phonetic terms. Never a battleship, she was a cruiser and thus only had a marginal part in the Hood sinking. As a matter of fact, my late father who was a Royal Navy officer, was a friend of one of the 3 men who survived the Hood sinking. I remember meeting this man when I was a child and living in Cosham on the outskirts of Portsmouth where he too lived in an apartment for the elderly retired. A fascinating man with a whole host of wartime memories and anecdotes. He was a bridge wing signaller hence he "got off" whilst the rest of the crew in the stricken hull perished.
This is my memory which I believe to be most relevant to this CZcams clip.
Best regards,
Freya, now living in France
I hope it isn't you narrating because the information on the video is exceptionally poor.
the South dakota and Iowa class battleships handled themselves quite nicely during the war with the Iowa class serving until the end of the cold war, calling them obsolete is ignorant on your end
Kydroon prinz eugen was a heavy cruiser , not a battleship.
"Its quite small for a battleship", Maybe because its not a battleship.
Yeah its a Heavy Cruiser
Her main guns were 8" guns, to the battleships 14" guns
It’s a battlecruiser
@@curious5887 No, it`s not. Battlecruisers (an informal title, not official ) were capital -ships, gunned like battleships but with just somewhat thinner armour. Prinz Eugen was a heavy cruiser of Admiral Hipper - class, with 203mm main armament: in comparison battlecruiser main guns were varying from 280mm to 381mm, or even more with some ”Fisher`s follies”.
@@curious5887 No it's a Heavy Cruiser.
It is pronounced: Prinz Oy-gen, not Prince u-jen.
Otherwise, a very enjoyable and informative video.
Eu-ler
Oy-clid
XD
yes, and it was a heavy cruiser, not a battleship.
the fact that he misspelled it bothers you , but the fact that Prinz in now battleship does not ? :)
Yeah cept it’s a heavy cruiser not a battleship
its also not a battleship
Great video but the ship is certainly not a Battleship or a Capital Ship, it is a Heavy Cruiser and its name is pronounced ''prinz oygen''
On 4:00 that is not HMS Hood, it is Bismarck firing on Hood.
Kurt, please make the necessary changes and let this video take the place it deserves.
With best regards, George.
I made the mistake of saying Prints Oygen in the presence of a hotel owner in Wilhelmshaven. She put me right. Incidentally, this hotel has a superb model of the Prinz Eugen. It is the Hotel Kaiser. Another hotel with a very good model is the Hotel Admiral Scheer at Laboe.
@Don: I would take the time an make the changes (not in the voiceover, this would be external costs) when you can tell me how to overcome this problem: www.quora.com/How-can-you-replace-a-video-on-CZcams-while-keeping-the-same-URL
@Kydroon: Kurt, you are right, my understanding of video uploading issues was laughable. Your video contains excellent footage and is the second most recommended video when searching '' prinz eugen '' on CZcams. It would be a magnificent one if those corrections could be implemented.
Hello Don, as already written several times. This was just an experiment for me and a great fun to get away from boring vacation clips. I think many of us try to get closer to BBC or National Geographic piacles of art, even thou they will remain light years away. Well, we definitely need visions to motivate us. I am totally overwhelmed by the majority of the feedback which is very positive. Now, if I would think about a "remake" It would need more than just the tiny corrections. I would like to enhance and extend a little more and I kindly invite you to make some suggestions. This is not a promise, but I really need a reason to touch it again, so what would you change, add, delete?
Thanks buddy :)
I’m afraid that if the new video is to be made longer, time consuming research will be needed regarding operation ‘’Rheinübung’’, probably armor effectiveness of various ship types, angling and immune distances researched, ballistic data of 14 , 15 inch and 203mm shells discussed, that would take ages and possibly non expert CZcams viewers will be bored by the middle of the video. So a 4-5 minute long video might be appropriate for a wider audience.
Regarding the existing text if I may make a few suggestions. (I'm not a historian just an enthusiast)
Regarding the economics of Nazi Germany, building cruisers was a considerable cost but it was manageable, the real burden was the building of battleships (Bismarck, Tirpitz, Scharnhorst and Gneisenau) as Kriegsmarine did not get the raw material priority to build the units it needed. (also the lunatic started his war before the Kriegsmarine was ready). The crossbow comment on 3:46 might be a little controversial (the gunpowder comment is accurate). Also something a bit controversial might be whether ‘’cruiser warfare tactics’’ involving heavy units in the North Atlantic could be considered obsolete. Well, beyond any doubt, battleships were obsolete in the Pacific, especially due to Imperial airpower and good weather conditions, but in the North Atlantic the situation with the Brits was a bit different in 1941.
Also you can find ballistic data on the links below.
www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WNGER_15-52_skc34.php
www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WNGER_8-60_skc34.php
Depressing waste of such a beautiful ship.
It was either that or scrapping. At least you have a wreck to visit.
Waste? It's an honor for a ship to die in the ocean for it was built to fight in it and die as well in it. Also, the wreckage could be used by local marine wildlife as their homes.
@@MCBEEFALICIOUS Museum is another choice
@@realThomastheCat it will be more useful if it is made inti a museum. Like HMS Belfast. Even Yamato that sunk deep in the ocean floor have her own museum..
it was full of nuclear radiation, and technically, still is
Breaks my heart to see such a beautiful ship so needlessly sunk.
Agreed. If it could've been preserved as a museum war trophy along with the Japanese capital ships that were sunk, it would've been marvelous. And the WWII fighters and bombers that were also scrapped following the war. Imagine a P-51 now, or a B-17 Bomber, and tanks too. Sad.
dr1Voss48 if they hadn't been sunk there for the Crossroads tests, they would have been sunk in a live fire exercise or sold for scrap. So very few of our ships became museums, it would be doubtful if anyone would have spent the money to do that to captured ships.
Chuck Van there are beautifully preserved P51 Mustangs, B17, B24's. Tanks and such. My dad worked as a volunteer on the DD793, CASSIN YOUNG, across the dock from the USS CONSTITUTION. He never spent time on a tin can until he retired and joined the crew of wonderful folks in the YOUNG. He was on the APA198 USS McCracken. The MIAMI, and took the PRINZ EUGEN to its final resting place.
Bloody plane lovers assuming that we don't use tanks anymore (that's what I see, I might be wrong)
It breaks mine also, I just don't think that certain historical ships should have been made to glow in the dark and sink just for testing a nuclear bomb, but it all boils down to financing and responsibility for storage, maintenance, ect, if something else is done with it. It costs a fortune to maintain a ship, even if it's not in operational status, say, just as a museum. There are several large WWII era warships on display around the country, (USA), if you happen to be interested, though. I visited the battleship USS North Carolina several years ago and had a great time. Do a Google search and you'll find all of the info.
4:12 That's Bismarck not HMS Hood.
Sure? Which source are you relaying to? I agree it is tough to tell if the movie is shot from Bismark or from Eugen, but we all know the outcome ;-)
Hood had 2 smokestacks not 1
Kydroon It' definitly Bismarck (spelled with ck) and not Hood. It was taken from Prinz Eugen during the battle.
You are right
ceconk123 this footage was filmed from the prinz eugen during the battle of the Denmark straight. That pillar of smoke is the flaming wreck of the hood as she goes down.
0:16 “Battleship” Prinz Eugen
*confused screaming*
"kindly enough to be allowed to participate in a nuclear weapons test"
yes like how I'm kindly enough to be in my own execution
It's more like an honorable sending off. Better than being scrapped for spare metal, at least they can be visited by divers and be used as homes for marine life.
@@realThomastheCat Museum is an option too you know. Plus, the wreck is technically still radioactive.
@@Amaryllis6731 I doubt they would even consider turning her into a musuem ship back then. Even the legendary Enterprise was scrapped.
@@Amaryllis6731 museum ship wasnt a option you have to remember this was a german ww2 ship and have to also remember what stigma was around (and to a large portion even to today) anything associated with nazi germany no one is going to give the ship the right to be a museum ship at that period and tbh this was a better fate then many well loved ships of the era got idd also mention that as far back as the 70s the ship was deemed no longer radioactive
Bismark: "I got shot to crap by the whole Royal Navy!"
Prinz Eugen: "I got FUCKING NUKED!! TWICE!!!"
Prinz Eugen was an Admiral Hipper-class heavy cruiser, the third member of the class of five vessels. She served with Nazi Germany's Kriegsmarine during World War II. The ship was laid down in April 1936, launched in August 1938, and entered service after the outbreak of war, in August 1940. She was named after Prince Eugene of Savoy, an 18th century Austrian general.
"Guten tag, don't leave us out of the fun Azur Lane"
I see you a man of culture)
Dammit, the weebs even found this
SlickCookie
*History weebs
*Haha Guten tag goes to the ocean*
LoL , i like this man
There are three types of people here:
AL fans including me
People who like history
Or
Both
Oh no
I like both
Erik Ryan thanks for the compliment bro
let's face it - both most likely. you don't go watching azur lane without being a history nerd. Unless you just looking for anime with girls only. .....mhmm... now that I think about it :)
@@Cougarfan7557 agreed
"These are the remains of the battleship, Prinz Eugen."
1. It's Prinz Oi-gen, not Prinz yu-gen.
2. She isn't a battleship, she's a Admiral Hipper-class Heavy Cruiser.
3. Prinz Eugen in Azur Lane was...... MMMMM!!
Its time for a waifu visit
"This is the wreck of the battleship Prinz Yewgen"
1. HEAVY CRUISER
2. Prinz Eugene (pronounced Oigen)
Ok.
Prinz Eugen*
2:00 "It was a relatively small battleship, as Germany was bound by the Treaty of Versailles."
Actually, Germany paid no attention to that treaty at all and basically lied about the weight of the 'Deutschland' class Panzer ships (or pocket battleships), the Admiral Hipper class heavy cruisers, the Scharnhorst class battle-cruisers. and the Bismarck class battleships.
At 212.5 meters length over all, the Prinz Eugen was really big for a heavy cruiser. Actually longer than many allied battleships.
Good film sequence but your research and fact checking is pretty sad.
@Andrew: I am thankful for precise facts. As you may have seen, I was posting, that I may edit a revised cut with some corrections and some more details. So what exactly are examples of the breach? From my understanding caliber and displacement were the two thresholds. Caliber is easy to track, but displacement allows some creative interpretation, right?
-Panzerschiffe
-Pocket battleship
Pick one
Not this middle ground "panzer ship"
Kydroon If you do decide to rework the voiceover I would recommend getting in touch with Drachinifel. He is the foremost in WWI and WWII naval ships in my opinion. czcams.com/users/Drachinifel
Actually, longer than the old battleships od World War I era. The new fast battleships built just prior or during the war much longer than 212 meters.
Amen! She was not, nor was ever intended to be a battleship. Under 20,000 tons and 8×8inch guns makes you a heavy cruiser. Wish people would study their subject a bit more. I think folks are now calling it "fact checking"
My father was one of the American crew that brought this ship from the East coast, down through the Panama Canal, and then on to the A Bomb test sight. He was a Chief Petty Officer and spoke and read German, and he had been a Chief of the boiler room on the USS Colorado for years. His experience there and his language skills qualified him for the voyage. When they left the Prinz Eugen at anchor, they were told they could take anything they could carry, as it would sink anyway. Two explosions later it was sill afloat. I have the absolutely beautiful, gimbal candle stick holder from the ship and a few other small items. Why did they have candle stick holders you ask? Well, when the electricity goes out, you need light, right? Those Germans were a smart lot.
Cool but I would have opted to jimmy-off the ship's crest on the bow if I had been him and had the time...
@@fwinkler112 that may have not been allowed. Most of the treasures taken were from inside the ship, they needed to see what damage the bombs caused on the outer hull. It would have been great to get that crest though. He did also get a small ID plate off of one of the boilers with the name Prinz Eugen on it.
@@1949rangerrick In terms of the blast tests some of the ships had livestock penned out on the decks to examine blast exposures and radiation levels. Don't know if Eugen also had this sad "crew" during her two test blasts. Grisly but true.
The images were excellent, your research leaves much to be desired.
A simple Wikipedia would cover enough
its. not. a. battelship.
i cringe everytime he said its a battleship
Didn’t think he’d be dumber than the HMS Hood
Press F to pay respect to Prinz Eugen
My dad was on this ship from San Diageo, thru Pearl and to the Bikinis. After the test, Operation Crossroads - Baker test, about a dozen guys went back aboard to document damage, and take temperature and radiation readings. Jack, my dad, and a buddy were below when a chief told everyone to get back in the boat because it was too hot, radiation wise. When dad came back up on deck it was only the two of them on board. They were left over night due to dark and debris in the water. They were prescribed a lot of showers for a long time. My picture is me with dad.
Prinz Eugen (named after Prinz Eugen of Savoy) was exposed to a series of blasts in the atomic testing at Kwajalein atoll in 1946. Testing indicated that she weathered these blasts very well, but that there were numerous hyper radiation spots or areas on the vessel preventing entry into the lower parts of the ship by test examination crews following the blasts. She sat for some months while crews were waiting for the dissipation of these extreme level radiation areas. All large ships tend to take on water no matter how well they are made and maintained, and Prinz Eugen was no different. Test crews knew that they had to enter the ship to activate the pumps, to maintain ballast and evacuate water ingress. They could not do this, even wearing radiation suits- such was the level of radiation the ship was exposed to... a death sentence for any one entering the ship. After some months, decision was made to tow this beautiful ship to port to initiate cleaning procedures (which was a priority as US test series Baker, Trinity etc exposed ships and materials to radiation and they wanted to know whether or not any kind of cleaning clearance procedure would work to permit re-deployment of affected ships). Unfortunately, while being towed, Prinz Eugen began to sink. Efforts to beach her proved very difficult as the flow of water in this particular neck of the woods is very powerful and treacherous. Wreck diving on this particular ship is a dangerous enterprise for this reason. Anyway, long story short, Prinz Eugen capsized near the shore and remains there to this day. In the 1980's (I believe), German museum staff (Laboe) removed with permission of the US government one of the screws (props) and took it back to Northern Germany for memorial. This is why the port outer screw is missing. Subsequent evaluation by US government in the early 1970's indicated that radiation levels on the Prinz Eugen are now minimal. Lastly, KMS Prinz Eugen was taken as a war prize following Germany's surrender on the 8 May 1945. KMS Prinz Eugen was then claimed by the US and re-commissioned 'USS Prinz Eugen'. technically, it is no longer a German heavy cruiser, but a US navy heavy cruiser.
Steu Brell --KMS? Should it not be RMS = Reichs Marine Schiff.? K would seem Koenigliche= Royal. Otherwise, thanks and respects.
thats very intereting, thank you
Step Brell, Germany should have salvaged a bunch of things off it including the other prop, maybe roll it back over? expensive to do just for divers
Eugen will always be heavy cruiser prinz eugen of the kriegsmarine i will never refer to her as American EVER
I think I read somewhere (Jane's Fighting Ships of WWII?) that Prinz Eugen was given an IX series number and therefore classified as a Miscellaneous Auxiliary, like the USS Constitution. I don't think she ever got a CA/CL series Cruiser designation. Also, I was wondering about the radiation level, as metal absorbs and holds radiation for a long time; I guess dunking the entire vessel in sea water (with its electrolytes) acted like a long term NBC scrub. Still, notice how relatively little marine life clings to the hull, compared to a lot of other WWII wrecks in the Pacific. Thanks for the epilogue, Steu Brell.
You refer to the Bismark being damaged in the battle with the H.M.S. Hood as being hit in the stern. She was actually hit in the bow in that battle. The hit in the stern that enabled her to be caught actually occured after the Bismark and Prinz Eugen split up 2 days later. The stern hit was actually caused by British swordfish torpedo planes. The hit in the Bismarks bow in the Hood battle was actually a 14 inch shell from the battleship Prince of Wales which damaged a fuel tank. This damage is why the Bismark was found and sunk as she was headed to western France to repair the fuel leak. The H.M.S. Hood actually never hit Bismark. Her gunners never found the correct range and she originally opened fire on Prinz Eugen not Bismark. The hit that sank the Hood could have come from either the Bismark or Prinz Eugen as either ship's guns could have penetrated Hood's armor due to a weak spot in her design. This flaw was to be fixed at her next refit scheduled to take place several months after she was sunk. If her refit had taken place at the time of the battle with Bismark, Hood might have survived the battle. She was sunk by a shell that hit an unarmored part of her deck that exploded amongst 300 tons of gun powder in her magazines for her 15 inch main guns that blew Hood in half. Only 3 men of Hood's crew survived the battle.
Thank you. very much for the detailed feedback! I am actually fetching up all stuff for a next version, however, I have no idea when I will able to do this.
Bismarck , not Bismark
Well her deck amor was going to be upgraded but the extra amor was only 30% likely meaning the ship would still have sunk the same way after the refit sadly but I get were your coming from
Bismarck bracketed the hood
Bismarck was disabled by a torpedo which damaged the steering gear, the captain of Bismarck ordered for the ship to be scuttled, the British damaged her and the Germans sank her to prevent the ship falling into enemy hands.
I really like his precise and respectful dialogue without rhetoric
You got my subscription
Rest in peace brother
You were my bro for life
The Prinz Eugen (pronounced Pranz Oy-gen) was a German *Heavy Cruiser*
The Admiral Hipper class were *Heavy Cruisers*
Its just so heartbreaking, the Prinz Eugen was in itself a highly advanced warship, even more so than her sisters, powerful and aesthetically beautiful. Her sheer luck alone made her deserving of recognition. Its a shame she's been left to rust so casually
It is pronounced "Prinz Eugen".
3:57 That is the Bismarck firing on the HMS Hood filmed from the Prinz Eugen. Not the HMS Hood firing.
What a check dive! I would spend two days combing that wreck. Great video and informative narration and perspective. Stay safe in the briny deep.
My great uncle was killed in a Bristol Beaufort trying to sink the Eugen off the coast of Norway. He was the only body found from his aircraft and is buried in Sola.
Thanks for the footage off this ships resting place.
Damn time to visit my waifu irl
Wonderful video..Presented Superbly for the Battleship admirers..Love the Early film of the battle "Sink the Bismarck"("Scuttle the Bismarck")lol...
I can’t wait to start my build of this ship. Great video!
I built the Trumpeter 1/350 kit backdated to 1942; it is really a great kit to start with.
Every time you called it a battleship I died a little inside
I lived on Kwaj for over a decade an the Prinz Eugen was the wreck I dove the most - close to 100 dives. A bit on the murky side for the lagoon but many thing to see.
Poor Azur Lane players seeing their favorite ship girl waifu being nuked by Eagle Union
Bruh
LMAOSSKSKAKW
Enterprise is boring
And being called a battleship
Looks an epic dive. Great video and so much information.
Thanks for taking me along
I really need to go there one time, my grand-grand-father served on it, would be so neat to visit it
Dutchy why not? :-) people served on Royal Navy, US Navy, so it's obvious they must have served in Kriegsmarine :-)
Dutchy my dad served on the PRINZ EUGAN after the war and took her to the Bikinis for Baker Test.
1. Prinz Eugen wasn't too complicated to be operated. It was in need of extensive overhaul from its use during the war. It was taken as a prize after the war, and the US had no use for it. If it hadn't been used for the Able-Baker bomb tests, it would have been sunk in gunnery training or sold for scrap.
2. It wasn't "kindly allowed" to participate in the A-Bomb test. It was selected because it's hull was in great shape, making it a good test subject.
3. You pronounced the islands name incorrectly. Kwa-dge-line.
4. Germany had no problem building Battleships, or operating them. The German Surface Navy was useless because it was too small to be a serious threat. All Battleships were effective until it was proven that the Aircraft Carrier was capable of overwhelming the defenses of ships and sinking them.
5. Bismark was lightly damaged by Hood, and was heading to Brest to fix a leaking fuel tank. A torpedo from a carrier plane jammed its rudder, giving other battleships a chance to catch it.
Lee Mc Donald that damage was from Prince of Wales not Hood
@Lee Mc Donald The fuel leak was caused by hits from Prince of Wales.
*bismarck*
FrozenFoodSection the hits were from both ships, multiple shells nailed its aft, especially Wales, as it targeted Bismarck first anyways
Agreed. The major naval powers of the allies each had a chance to take her as a prize. And none of them didnt take her because of operations issues. The US actually had quite a large population of german peoples and a lot of defectors. The UK couldnt afford to modernize and operate her and she didnt fall into their existing naval structure. The UK reused some of the more modern u-boats for a time though. The USSR claimed several german cruisers making one a flagship and using a second in atomic testing and almost certainly wanted Eugen to operate as part of their small and out of date fleet. The US had a massive excess of ships from wartime production and was trying to get rid of them. Nonetheless, they took Prinz Eugen so the USSR could not have it and used it along with several of their own decommissioned ships as target practice for the atomic bomb
This comment section is a great testament of why you don’t make mistakes in CZcams videos.
Our free content needs to be thoroughly researched like it’s a 3h documentary, damnit!
Great video many thanks
U.S. Battleships after the war: Oh its so precious lets make a museum out of it!
German ships: lets fucking nuke it.
kek
Correction: at 2:06 you call her a Battleship. Prinze Eugan was not a Battleship and was actually large for an 8 inch heavy Cruiser due to her needing extended range without support and replenishment ships. She was mistaken for being Battleship Bismarck at first in the Battle of the Denmark Strait. One of her sister ships was considered for being converted into an Aircraft carrier. Other than total tonnage the Treaty didn't affect her design at all.
Bring that thing up and conserve it I say, it’s a fascinating part of history that can’t just be left to rust away.
Rolling her over might pose a few logistical and technical problems, but hey, sure thing.
Too badly damaged I would think.
Despite all the flack for your video and other faux pas - I think the video quality was good and you have handled the criticism like a true professional well done kydroon
Bring back our Prinz Eugen. We germans want our ship back now.
Well, come and get it cause it ruined our environment. We don't want it.
Yours is not -might I say- a typical German name.
"kindly allowed to participate in operations able and baker" they blew it, up that isn't very kind
I swear that when he said that I cringed and thought that this must have been a distorted translation into English from another language rife with "small battleships"!
Sad end to a mighty German warship. Imagine how cool it would be today to be able to tour this majestic German battle wagon.
Prinz Eugen as a Cruiser EXCEEDED the treaty limitation Tonage by a LARGE margin. Placing up to other treaty cruisers of its time it would have taken them easily one on one.
Great footage! Seems like a nice dive. The Eugen is my favorite ww2 warship due to its impressive history. Operation Rheinübung with Bismarck, The Channel Dash with the Sharnhorsts, deployment to Norway with Tirpitz, shelling of the soviets etc. A shame that she did not end like a museumship, that would have been awesome.
As others have already commented, she is not a battleship (nor battlecruiser). She was however amongst the largest and most modern heavy cruisers at the start of the war. With a crew of 1.400, she would have almost twice the number of british ships of the same category. Also, she was probably the most advanced cruiser by the first years of the war. ^
Also, she was not the only surviving German surface unit, but indeed the largest and most powerful. Smaller German ships did also survive the war :-)
+danishrammstein impressive history? For what This video is for idiots first it was not battleship it was obsolete heavy cruiser. And it was not to complicated for the USN to operate far from it. The USN did not want this piece of crap it was forced on them by Royal Navy. It had most inefficient engineering plant installed on any warship in WW2 that's why the USN could not operate this piece of crap that lost stern from one torpedo hit, weak armour, weak main battery and light weight shell and obsolete gun directors.
+abe lincoln While I disagree with you in terms of the overall innovative features of the ship, your argument has nothing to do with her impressive service history. The Eugen was involved in many famous operations during the war, while operating with almost all famous German WW2 ships. I know that the machinery of the Hipper-class had many issues, but in terms of overall design, speed, gunnery (and more specifically, optical rangefinders, shell-range etc) this class of ships were actually very advanced for their time. The US Navy actually spend quite a lot of time investigating the ship during 45/46.
+danishrammstein The US Navy did not want the PE it was forced on them by the Royal Navy who captured this barge. The PE was 2 full generations behind WW2 greatest heavy cruisers the Baltimore Class the older Northampton and New Orleans Class heavy cruisers were better fighting ships. The PE had no blind fire capability, weak armour and engineering plant that was garbage. As for Bikini A bomb test the older US cruisers Salt Lake City and Pensacola were moored next to ground zero in both test survived were towed across the pacific and had to be sunk by naval gunnery exercises. The PE was moored the furthest distance then any other ship in both test and sunk by itself latter on nothing amazing about that.
+abe lincoln Whether or not the US Navy was originally interested in the Eugen, I do not know. What I DO know is that the ship was extensively examined be the americans. A passive sonar array was even installed on a US submarine for testing. Also, the fire control system of Prinz Eugen made the US further investigate in agnetic amplifier technology. So that the US had absolutely no interest in the ship is just not true. If so, they could have simply scuttled her of the US coast upon receiving it. As of 1930's cruiser design, the Hippers were not perfect (nor was the US designs), but they were nowhere near as bad as you suggest. Yes, the machinery had problems (mostly due to the German tendency of over-complicating their designs) and the stern of German ships were mostly quite weak. But, as I mentioned earlier, the gunnery, optical equiptment, speed and yes, also the overall armor was not bad at all.
+danishrammstein First the PE armour was poor her sister blucher on her first mission was easily sunk by 50 year old weapons fired by cooks and bakers in Norway. The Prinz Eugen was at least 2 generations behind the Baltimore Class from armour the best armour installed on cruisers was Class A US armour, to the main battery, better trained officers and crew during the so called channel dash the PE did nothing its only real action was with the bismarck and we all know how that turned out. the best axis cruisers by far were IJN as was the best axis navy.
This randomly popped in my recommendations,The Warship (Not a Battleship) Prinz Eugen was such a good ship sadly she was taken by the Royals and then given as a gift to the USS just for them to make her a Nuke test
Why do I keep finding you. Ever since we met from the siren head video.
I don't believe that the Royal Navy ever had legal charge of the ship as the US Navy had early-on staked their claim to her as a war prize. They also wanted to examine her turbines and armament. They removed one main gun barrel at Brooklyn. Wonder if its still there?
This ship and the Graf Spee are 2 of my favorite German ships.
It's sad to see these historical ships rust away. Please people raise them and preserve history!
Those vessels are already to far corroded to be any seaworthy. Not to mention the possible left over radiation of the nukes on and in the ship. And last but not least the ridiculous price it would cost to raise it.
@@Seahorn_ Depends, how far below they're. As here not that far, so not as much. Also the nuke did barley anything to her so she's not that damaged.
Interesting! Nice reef!.......would have made a rare museum though.....very little remains of this Historic Navy,flawed as it may have been but interesting!
Heavy cruiser people this is a heavy cruiser. the only cruiser ship to be named a battleship was the deutshland class heavy cruisers. named pocket battleships by the british. armed with 11" guns. Germany called them "panzershif" meaning battleship. if eugen was a battleship it would have been a second Bismarck.
Dear Mauro, when you scroll down the comments you will notice, you are not the first to correct this. I take full responsibility and want to explain. Believe it or not, even though I love wreck diving I am not at all into, let's call it: naval details. I used the term "battle ship" without being aware that it is a class definition. Communication can go so wonderfully wrong ;-) From my point of view it was a "ship" to be used in "battle" so: "battleship". Sorry, next time be assured I will call it a heavy cruiser. However, my point was and still is, that "battle ships", "battle cruisers" or "heavy cruisers" where technological sophisticated but economically - using now Trump lingo: a total disaster ;-)
Kydroon np i just added some information too ^^
Panzerschiff is literally Armoured Ship.
So this means JFK commanded a battleship. ; )
No, there was no armour on a PT boat. He commanded a warship.
Dear Kydroon, thanks for this, thanks for the sharing, her story is way way more than a 5 min video allows, congrats on visiting her, what an honor to get to visit her, looking forward to the real Saratoga video, thanks again!
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Prinz Eugen is a heavy cruiser, not a battlecruiser, or battleship. And she was not outdated, or outclassed, she was simply outnumbered during WWII. Recall, her companion the Bismark was sunk by Battleships, albeit crippled by a Swordfish.
@all viewers: Thank you very much for you attention! I am really overwhelmed by the interest. It was just an experiment to spice up dive clips that are usually dead boring. Thank you for ALL your comments! I am really assembling material and ideas for a remake, however this will not cut off this version, as CZcams does not offer any way to edit after it has been published and I just do not want to delete >100k view, as you may understand 😀
thanks.
Who came here from azur lane?
Fuckin weeb lmao
(she's hot tho)
Daitz Gonzaga do the tits represent health or something
Hentai is an Art I am aware, I use her, but she's only really good at the 100- 120 threshold. Other than that she just gets smacked
Her butt sticking in the air.
Kantai Collection. Mmm... pudding.
Prinz Eugen was a heavy cruiser. It was fairly large heavy cruiser.
good stuff! excellent balance between info, diving recording and historical photage. keep it coming :-)
iie mine eugen whyyyyyyyyy she was so hot in azur lane
🤣
Rip
She ironblood,shes bound to be hot
@Erik Ryan How Can You Call Me A Weeb When Not Many Know About This Ship Unless Theyve Played Azur Lane HMMMMMM
Virgin
The pronunciation in this video is abysmal.
4:17 onwards oil slick flowing west/southwest? WHat did you do there ;) Emptied the bilge?
I saw the wreckage flying into Kwajalein. Such a sad ending for a beautiful warship.
Kydroon, I know you have copped some flack over this but I like your enthusiasm. However there is a need to re-address many items. As stated the Prinz Eugen was a heavy cruiser, and one of the finest of its type. She escorted the Battleship Bismarck (note the spelling with the 'c'). The video is of the Bismarck firing at the Hood as seen from Prinz Eugen. The narration of the Bismarck's pursuit is totally inaccurate. the Bismarck was damaged in the bow section during the battle and took in water to one of her forward fuel tanks. She was losing fuel and did not have enough fuel to continue the mission. An omission to refuel earlier when she could have now meant the admiral on board the Bismarck to decide to make for repairs at Brest in France. He ordered the Prinz Eugen to continue on with the mission. Thus they departed company. For the British they had to slow the Bismarck down before she reached the safety of German aircover and Brest. Two attacks from the aircraft carrier Ark Royal were made, the first on the british light cruiser Sheffield, the second on the Bismarck. A chance in a million torpedo from one of the Swordfish torpedo bombers hit the stern of the ship and locked the steering gear (rudders). All attempts to release the lock failed. The British battleships Rodney and King George V , plus cruiser Dorsetshire reduced her to a blazing wreck. Survivors of the crew said the order was given to scuttle. It coincided with the time of the torpedos from the Dorsetshire. That in essence is the story of the mighty Bismarck's final days
You left out the more serious damage to Bismarck's engines (flooding two boiler rooms causing two of Bismarck's 12 boilers to be out of action, reducing its speed. Bismarck's flight towards the French coast was at 25 knots, not its normal maximum speed of 30 knots. Had Prince of Wales not scored this hit on Bismarck's engines it might have been able to escape its pursuers.
The attack by the torpedo bomber on the stern of the ship was an attempt to slow it. Scoring a hit on propellers or the propeller shaft could have further reduced Bismarck's speed. Instead, they hit a rudder which caused it to turn off course. I agree it was a lucky hit but think that 1 in a million is a bit of an overestimate of it.
Of course if Bismarck had gotten to France for repairs its continued fate might have been like the Tirpitz, with heavy bombers hitting the port on a regular basis to inflict further damage on the ship (keeping it in for repairs) and battleships and aircraft carriers kept on hand with reconnaissance flights watching for any signs of Bismarck sortieing out which would have just started the hunt again.
Stop calling it a Battleship, or Battle Cruiser it was a Heavy Cruiser.
Thank you! 8×8inch guns and under 20,000 tons makes you a heavy cruiser! And what a beautiful ship she was!
Hate it when the "experts" don't know their subject.
@@stuartmatthis7920 tell me about it. I look to them to give me information I don't have and not have to teach them. Yes she was a beautiful ship.
She was one of the rare ships that actually survived the war,...taken as a war prize her fate was decided,along with other proud ships as a test ship for an A-bomb. Designated a cruiser she served with Bismarck and had a storied career.
I play wows. Found this.
And I’m actually very impressed at the detail
4:00 the tag should say "Bismarck firing at HMS Hood" could mislead those who don't have knowledge of Naval history.
Good video just subscribed
Why the hell would you every want the memory of this part of our past to fade away?! This must never happen again and so we must preserve its memory in as great of detail as possible
Why the hell do you think I put in the time to edit and publish this material if I would somehow think "it is OK, when our memory on this type of crap fades away". OK, I may be overly sarcastic and ironic, but I am also surprised so many overdo not get I am just a fatalistic sarcastic guy...
It’s a shame that the ship was not saved and returned to Germany at a later date
They could probably still have it; instead they just took one of the huge propellers for the Naval Memorial at Leboe on the Baltic.
"Battleship Prinz Yujin." Stopped watching after that.
Hahahahaha I did the same. Dude can’t even try to pronounce the name right.
And Kwahaline Atoll
at 4:21 that some serious oilslick on the right handside of the screen...did that dive tour boat clean out his bilges or did the divers disturb something below? still leaking oil after 75 years???
She was the commissioned U.S. Navy vessel USS Prinz Eugen at the end. She survived both nukes with little damage, but radiation made it impossible to fix a minor leak. She eventually capsized and sank.
"...turned out to be too complicated to be operated by the U.S. Navy..."
That's a funny way to say it was built in metric. Nuked for using sensible units of measurement: even for the Americans, that's pretty extreme.
No Radiation there?
yes but not that much so you can dive there without dying or taking damage
PETERVONFROSTER oxidation has probably dissolved the outer layers of the steel that became "activated" buy the neutron radiation from the blast. it would have been the superstructure and other parts that where above water that where in direct line of sight of the initial flash so since the Eugen was upside down her super structure is in the mud.
Radiation dissipates after time. Hiroshima and Nagasaki are thriving cities today. There probably is only slightly higher background radiation. As with any radiation, don't spend a lot of time there, and you won't get sick.
If it didn't violate the copy right I would use this footage and describe the ship in my own words for a better understanding of her. She wasn't a Battleship. She was not restricted in tonnage due to the Naval Treaties due to Germany not being able to build 3 and almost 4 of her class.
I wonder if there are any restrictions because of the allegedly high radiation ?? Are there any limitations for the diving time ??
Not at all. The water shields radiation and has washed off most affected particles in the last 50 years. You can even live on Bikini. You should just not eat or drink anything from there.
I might be redundant in saying this, but the DKM Prinz Eugen was a heavy cruiser that was in DKM Bismarck's group. Prinz Eugen didn't help sink the HMS Hood, it was the Bismarck that did her in. Before you make another video, please conduct thorough research on the matter in which you are covering. The inaccuracies and myths detracted from a good video. And the announcer sounded too synthetic. Maybe use a live person to narrate next time...
Dear Big Jim, thank you very much for your comments. I have tried to explain this so many time I stopped counting. As a German, who is not at all deep into the marine topic the word combination "battle - ship" translates to a ship for battles. Nothing more. I was simply not aware of the strict classification everybody is keen to get fixed. I really got it. The next is the pronunciation. Believe me, again as a German, I know how to pronounce it and found it more funny as annoying as I got back the voice over from the voiceover artist I engaged (you can read the name of the real person at the end of the movie). I never thought anybody would care a rats ass about it, but again you never stop learning. Labeling the Bismarck as HMS Hood is a mistake I really apologize for. This could not have been filmed as the ships have been simply too far away during the engagement combined with bad weather. Regarding the contribution of Prinz Eugen I think this is really debatable, as it was part of the group and attracted the fire from MHS Hood at the beginning. I would always consider any outcome as a group success or failure. However, I am totally surprised by the enormous attention this video is getting. After all, it is just a spiced up mesh up of my diving clips. I am really considering to produce a corrected and enhanced version and I am very thankful for substantial information you can send to kydroon [at] gmail.
amazing dive video but the prinz eugen is not a battleship.......
The Prinz Eugen was a cruiser not a battleship. There were only 3 ships of the Admiral Hipper class. Two more were planned but not finished. One hull was sold to the Soviet Union and used there.
0:53 I can't hear what u said. Why did u purposely put that explosion sound?
Don't wanna 'pile on' but I believe your narrator also mispronounced Kwajalein. 'kwa ZHA lane -- not kwa HA lane. :)
Aaaaahhhhh!!! I got it, I really got it! Believe me or not I was aware of this from the very first time I received the voiceover from my narrator. As I am GERMAN I really know how Prinz Eugen is pronounced. I just thought... hey come on, who really cares... f* it! After all is is a really good voiceover and remaking would simply cost more. OK I got my lesson: It is heavy cruiser vs battle cruiser and how to pronounce Prinz Eugen... ;-)
BTW: Nobody has spotted so far the horrible mispronunciation of "Bundesbank" ;-)
prinz iugen makes my ears bleed man :D
Kwajelein was the damned brightest place I ever was. The sun in mid day melted my eyes.
For the thousands of people who have lived and spent time there, it is pronounced Kwa Ja Lin.
Ok, I'm going to clear up this issue of Battlehip vs Heavy cruiser, the fact is you're both wrong. As everyone knows both of these float on top of the water where as this one is quite clearly an underwater warship.... which make it a Submarine.
Finally some clarification on this topic! 😁
Don't you mean "U-Boat?" The U stands for "uncouth" by the way.
Submarines did not exist until some point after WWII. Howerver, u-boats did, which makes this a u-boat: Underwater boat. difference being that a submarine can stay underwater for months, only really having to surface for new orders or supplies, while a u-boat had to surface to do basically anything except travelling. They even had to come to at least periscope depth in order to attack other vessels.
LOL
At least Boris has a sense of humour.
Prinz Eugen is not a battleship,
its an Admiral Hipper Class Heavy Cruiser.
letting the past fade away means we will be doomed to repeat it over and over
Prince Eugen was a heavy Cruiser, not a Battleship! The Gross Tonnage is 3 to 4 times heavier for a Battleship! You should learn about what you are narrating!!
@e ennis I agree. The time and effort that you put into your video made it a very educational as well as thoroughly enjoyable piece.
Dear commenters, I highly appreciate feedback. I also know how Prinz Eugen should be pronounced - my fault - next time my speaker will get better instructions. The debate between battle cruiser or heavy cruiser is also something I was not aware of upfront (www.dcr.net/~stickmak/JOHT/joht39shipvscruiser.htm).
Let me repeat: I bow in awe for the people who built and operated this pinnacle of technology!
+Kydroon Tell me one thing on the prinz eugen that was pinnacle of technology? You post lies that you believe Nazi fan boys will back you up. The truth the Hipper Class were Ww2 worse heavy cruisers they had WW2 most inefficient enginerring plant installed on any warship in WW2 weak armour, weak main battery, the aircraft catapult installed in the middle of the ship creating fire hazard. lousy gun directors, poorly trained crew. So I ask you again what was the pinnacle of technology on the PE? kriegsmarine freaks have to post lie after lie to defend WW2 worse surface navy.
+abe lincoln
Tel me one thing. Do you actually listen to the voice? You may do, but then you may have difficulties understanding, because I do not say that.
I say: "Battle ships (in general) are the pinnacle of the combined economical and technological power of NATIONS (in general) ... they deserve more respect". Do you think you could also show a little more respect here (in general)?
However, I am sure you can troll even more on episode 2: czcams.com/video/g-t3LyuLh6A/video.html
+Kydroon Your words, I bow in awe for the people who built and operated this pinnacle of technology. Those people were murdering Nazi animals who started WW2 and murdered millions as for the PE it was obsolete garbage on the drawing board along with the rest of the kriegsmarine fleet from the 2 WW1 design commerce raiders bismarck and tirpitz to WW2 worse destroyers the kriegsmarine destroyers.
+abe lincoln
Whats wrong with you?! I am speaking about ALL battleships from ALL nations! THEY (the ships, all ships) not THIS.
Try to listen more careful, then try harder...
...and if you are from the US, then please shut the f* up and look at what you great nation has and is doing, OK?
+Kydroon Battleships were never pinnacle of technology they ruled the seas and this is debatable from only 1906 to 1941. Billy Mitchell proved battleships were obsolete in 1923. sinking Ostfreisland, Virginia and New Jersey with primitive aircraft off Virginia.
I've had the pleasure and adventure of diving in and around her.. simply awesome..!!
Lucky you. I envy you that opportunity as it was always on my bucket list.
They should have kept her as a museum ship. People would pay to see the insides of a surviving Kriegsmarine ship. A famous one especially.
I'm here because WWII history and Azur lane as well, im confused
Well at least you murdered hood but prinz eugen wasn't saved
I feel like I've seen you in one of the chat rooms.Which server are you on?
You... you butchered the name: it’s pronounced “Prinzz oi-Gen”, with a hard G and a slightly emphasized Z. German is a very harsh language...
That annoys me so much when people prenounce the ships name right
I meant wrong
"Harsh"? We kind of like it.
@@fwinkler112 I meant in terms of sound. I did not mean to insult you guys, I actually want to learn German one day! That’s why I was so miffed about the pronunciation being butchered, lol
They should definitely consider raising this sucker. It's the only german ship that could be easily raised. Imagine this thing fully restored and docked as a museum
Love her..
Kancolle Eugene > Azur Lane Eugene
hahaha NO
Nice photos, but mute the audio for most accurate viewing. ;)
It wasn't a battleship, it was a heavy cruiser. And the US Navy didn't want it because it kept breaking down. And it's correct name was Prinze Eugen (pronounced Oigen).
I loved on Kwajalein from 66-68 when my dad was out there working on the defense middle systems.