Blackhole : Why I still love this old Iconic detailing product
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I believe the old detailing mantra used to be (maybe still is) Polish, Glaze, Seal, Wax. Not a bad one to remember I have found
These day’s people are arguing the case for Polish, Seal, and then Glaze.
@@gbthegreat I suspect the human eye wouldn't be able to tell the difference so maybe it's longevity thing?
@@gbthegreatThat can't be...You have to seal the glaze, because otherwise the fillers would go from the paint fast.
@@gbthegreatlol 😅
I'm delighted to see Poorboys on your channel John 😁 I've been praising their products for over 15 years now & still maintain they are top shelf. After all who elses products can be used in direct sun with ease. I covered glazes on my own channel a few weeks ago & came to the same conclusion as you really. They are a beauty product & this is what people forget !! When you dont have time or cannot finish down easily this is where glazes shine, especially the Poorboys glazes. In my opinion they're the best out there
Offers zero protection but gives a shine like I’ve never seen. Been using this for over 15 years. 3m hand glaze is amazing too
Agreed. It doesn’t last at all. For a show stopping look though it’s the one to go for.
Have you made any experiences in how to make the glaze effect last the longest?
Used White Diamond, the light version of Black Hole, on my old Volvo years ago and it was awesome, filling abilities aside it just took the paintwork to another level, deep gloss and really brought out the flake in the silver paint. Might have to look at this version for my black car now, may even go full old school and top it with Collinite 845 for a really deep finish
A solid product that always delivers. Much like everything from Poorboys World to be honest. A firm favourite of mine is their Polish With Sealant. Absolutely brilliant stuff. If you haven't tried it, I do recommend it.
One of the best products on the market, used this on my cars for over 10 years it's a go to product, for any dark car! And it smells amazing
I agree and it smells great. The version for white cars white diamond is good too.
Can you put a wax on top for protection
@@jezlucas3878 hi Jez yes you can. I have been using Dodo Juice Light Fantastic.
@@robsx4280 amazing thanks, I've started using that as well ,iam new to waxes and loving them
Can I use BH cleanser polish , then this black hole and then coat it with a wax?
You must have read my mind Jon! I've just taken delivery of my new (to me) car which is dark grey. It's only a year old but I've just dug out my black hole with a view to giving it a once over.
I've used white hole as well on my previous car which was white. I used to cover it in BH double speed wax after using white hole and the results were spectacular.
It was a non metallic white but the finish used to turn heads.
What a coincidence I visited a recommended Professional detailer and he told me to use this product and I wouldn't likely go back to him for a one stage on my black Jag. I bought a bottle yesterday at Euro Car Parts for c£15.50. I will be trying it out soon as the sun is making an appearance today and in Scotland we have to make the most of sun light. Very watchable content. Thanks for the tutorial.
Did my VRS with the white diamond yesterday, 2 coats of bilt hamber double speed over the top. Looks great and smells lovely too!
You should do a glaze test on your test panel, AG SRP, AF Tripple,AF ultra glaze, Poorboy's, prima amigo... Etc
Great product been using it for a number of years. Super easy to use and always delivers great results.
Excellent video John , I use poorboys diamond white glaze , gives a sparkling shine , so easy to apply and buffs off with a lovely feeling, I then apply fusso 99 wax , this combination is my recommendation !
Does applying the Fusso over Black Hole rather than directly to the paint cause it to not last as long? Direct to paint I can get nearly 12m out of it.
Recently bought a black 2016 Astra (beautiful car imo) and it’s covered in swirls so will using this product asap and sealing with autoglyms uhd wax, which I bought years ago after finding your channel. Used it on my Celica and it was the glossiest thing around! Been a subscriber for years and will always check your channel before a purchase!
That combo is good m8 if u don't have polisher
I love this product. Used it today on a metallic black audi that was quite heavily swirled. Worked a small amount in well with the black side of a german applicator, and topped it with a coat of cheap wax from a company called autobright. The difference was amazing, the flake popped and it made such a huge difference to the existing swirls. Sure, the deeper ones are still visible in direct light but for a simple hand polish and wax it gave a dramatic improvement. Would highly recommend!
Been using it for years gives a perfect finish I apply it with a soft pad on a da it’s super quick and a finish you can’t beat
The Craig Whitehouse Detailing channel swears by the vast Poorboys World product range. I have their (Poorboys, not Craig Whitehouse's!) pot of pink wheel sealant and black Natty's paste wax. They add great gloss, but the hydrophobadidity drops after just 2 washes, so they are best applied once a fortnight. Which is great, because I enjoy using them! I've just ordered the Black Hole, just because I'm keen to try it out on the back of your review.
I really rate poor boys. i used black hole on my black car and after 3 applications it had pretty much hidden all swirl marks. i now own a white car and their white diamond i think is even better. the gloss and slick feel is incredible. I've only ever applied it by hand so once i get my DA i cant wait for the results.
Great video John. Maybe I'm old school, but I still love poorboys stuff. Great to use, brilliant if you are a novice, can't go wrong with it, I probably have a bottle of all their products on my shelf and still go back to them, when needed.
Used this as well, always gave good results. Also liked Poor Boys Polish with carnauba wax which you could use in direct sunlight, think this came in Blue for dark paint and White for lighter colours.
This is interesting as it addresses something I've thought about for some time. I think, unless the difference in price is striking, how much real life difference does one product over another really make. If you wash and wax your vehicle weekly, does durability really matter that much. If you can't stay away from fawning over your vehicle, which products are most appropriate for you to use?
Is a new, "ground breaking" product really that much better than an old stand-by?
Interesting questions I think.
A really good comment Fred. I've thought this myself... For the obsessed amongst us it wouldn't even matter if the product only lasted for 2 weeks - The car would never be left un-washed, waxed, re-coated or quick detailed for any longer than that.
If it ain't broke, don't fix it! I love poorboy's black hole glaze. When I do my spring detail, I clay, polish, glaze, then wax. But, if it's mid summer and I don't want to do a full detail, I'll sometimes throw on a layer of black hole glaze. Looks great, and most importantly, it smells great!
Having just purchased a Mini JCW in black (having said I would never buy another black car 😂). I have had Poor boys black hole for ages, but never used it. I am currently in the process of removing some 6 year old stripes, so once I have cut and polished, this glaze is likely to become a regular to keep things looking good.
There's that S again! 😂 I've got some PB BH but not had chance to use it yet. Looking forward to using it though. Ta for the review Jon-boy. I always want to say 'goodnight Jon-boy' but I'm not sure how many would get the reference. I bet you remember though Jon?
This used to be my absolute go to glaze. And then I tried Nova Lustre and haven't looked back, I use it way more as well because it lasts so much longer.
Great video regardless of the difference in opinion, it is still a fantastic product!
I used to use Poorboys Black Hole on my Black 996 Turbo. Also still have a tub of poorboys rim wax. This Polish is the only reason my car looked stunning on 3 or 4 days of the 6/7 years I owned it.
Gonna have to give it a try thanks Jon Been a user of SRP for quite a few years now. Still happy with the results, can really jij a car up before selling it
Last week I machined my Clubsport with Black Hole. Loved the result.
Also bought their leather cleaner (which is working nice) and their AIO cleaner.
Hi, John as always a great video, I am at the early stages of detailing, {no intention of doing it for a living}. I recently bought a cheap SPTA DA Polisher from Amazon, which came with pads, compound and polish. tried it the first time on a 30 year old motorhome that my Son had bought to move on. I then spotted a bottle of Meguires Ultimate Compound and was completely blown away with it, awesome. After this revelation that things are not all equal, I bought some Chemicle Guys cutting pads and a bottle of Farecla G3 D.A. cutting compound, just shy of £11.00 from Amazon. I have read great things about Farecla products so was exited to try this in comparison to Meguires. It dusts up like nobodys business, just wondered if you have come across this product and if so did you have similar issues, or perhaps and more likely it is my technique which needs to be questioned.
Farecla used to be motor trade only going back a few years. When I was a paint sprayer for vw/audi back in the late 90's onwards that is what we used..G3 and G10. We only had the big sponge polishing heads back then but you had to have them wet or at least moist while using the farecla and it used to go everywhere. I still have a tub of G3 which I use for small scuffs but I use by hand and still have to use a wet cloth or like you say it does just dry up and go dusty. It is great stuff though if you can find the best way to use it. Because the cars were masked up it didn't really matter about the splatter but if they weren't we had a steam cleaner to wash it off lol.
@@drivetrain1746 Thanks for that, it has got a great finish, so I will try it damp. Thanks Paul
Brilliant stuff, still got some in the cabinet.
Jon, I also like Britemax BlackMax as a dark paint glaze. You did a good video on that. Pete's 53 wax went on over it lovely.
Found my Poorboys White and Black at the back of the shelf the other day. Hopefully they have a decent shelf life as I can’t remember when I bought them.
I liked black hole until I used auto smart all in one and think that's a nicer product for a quick job.Still a great product.I got one from America called wet glaze 2.0 which was amazing
What about the white diamond version? I’d love to hear your opinion 👍
I use it sometimes on my 27 Yr old MR2 it's pretty good.
Would be interesting to see a comparison with Carpro Essence Primer and Poorboys BH and some other products that masks swirls. Sure Essence Primer has some abrasives in it. But with a finishing pad it don't take away a lot of clearcoat. I think that it's an option for a more durable option of a glaze like product.
Black hole with fusso on top is my go to for my black car
Great video. PS: @13:34 - Incoming voice call for Poorboys, to say 'Thank you' 😊
SRP and other AIO products are not for the work shy, I think that's why all these other sprays and coatings have been produced Jon.
I think glazes are under-rated these days. Everyone assumes that a ceramic coating is going on so they avoid them seemingly or they act like there's a huge stigma in not CORRECTING every single little scratch that you can, when the fact of the matter is there's a balance to it and in many cases hiding a scratch, even if you have to do it often, is the best thing we as detailers can do besides referring them to a body shop.
Edit: also since Jon's channel is all about knowledge and sharing knowledge here are some glazes I love.
3m hand glaze, Meguiars show car glaze, poorboys white diamond, poorboys black hole.
Agree - there is a newish Turtle Wax Black ceramic polish which is a black dyed glaze with Si02 - pretty good!
@@KRBY555 the regular non black version is pretty good as well. I have two white cars so I haven't had any reason to try the black one but I definitely agree with you as far as the regular one goes at least.
Don't forget Prima Amigo, also great for layering sealants on top.
I recently used zvizzer one on my car Jon. Great results, you would love the buff off it 👌
I still have this somewhere in a tub haha watching this makes me wanna get it back out again 😅 sadly these days all she gets is a quick spritz of megz ceramic detailer spray 😬🤣
What did you do have kids? 😂
nice timing on this video, as i am currently waiting for the amazon delivery person to deliver me my Poorboy's White Diamond ( the light coloured cars version of this i believe ) - sadly i dont have prime so its a order from 2 days ago that lands tomorrow :(
new to all these less well general public knowledge makes & products ( only started on them after seeing your Bouncer's Mystery Box Video actually - wanted to try out a couple of products & did not want to wait for my mystery box to arrive ( still waiting for my order from the 13th May :( - actually now also waiting for some Car-Chem Mystery boxes too as well ) so had a hunt round for stockist's of bouncers as i fancied trying out some Bead Juice & the SI Cure for the wheels & found i drove past High Definition Detail daily so popped in for some stuff & erm, yeah, Aladdin's cave with SOOOO many brands i knew nothing about that seemed well respected when googling em etc & now i have shed loads of them & an empty bank balance lol ) - been very impressed with the lasting power of the bead juice actually & was blown away with how nice the leather interior came up with the aid of Dodo Juice Supernatural Leather Cleaner & also the Sealant too - it got rid of some marks i thought were very much ingrained in to the seat as both Meguires & Autoglym leather cleaners have both failed to shift it in the last 3 years of owning the car & using em on it.
until i saw this video ( unless it states on the instructions that is ) i was not aware that the glaze needs going over with a polish so i am very glad i watched this as i means i may finally get to break out the Turtlewax Graphene Pastewax ( the To The Max liquid wax worked a treat so never cracked open the Paste later as the drying aid/topper sprays every wash has kept the car lovely all year lol ) or i may break out the Bilt Hamber Double Speed wax assuming that royal mail dont loose it that is lol - or both if the weather holds - assuming they layer that is :D
You will be blown away by the poorboys white diamond, amazing gloss, so easy to apply and even easier to buff off , then apply a good wax to seal in the shine !
I was recommended Poor Boys Black Hole by a mate, between the recommendation and ordering it I had a brain fart and ordered Chemical Guys Black Light.
Very similar product, I put far too much on which resulted in a really heavy buff. But overall the results were good. Masked lots of swirls and made the paintwork look tidier for about 4 months.
Chemical Guys also make White Light for light coloured paint, so there are similar products for most colours.
Prima amigo is another you need to try 👍
Just checked my cupboard for some of these old products, I have them both, still rate them for old fashioned detailing..
Two years ago you argued with me about Black Hole being a polish and you tested it as a polish. And now its you favorite glaze? You owe be a beer, young man! 😅
A glaze is a polish.
Tried this a while back and even though I find it easy to put on / take off I didn't notice much of a difference in filling in the light swirls or micro scratches.
Use this and traditional waxes on my motorcycles. Too much effort on a car though!
This stuff looks good to me (and I also watched your older review) - I think glazes are still a great idea, especially with clear coats getting ever thinner. I think the biggest problem for these products is the incompatibility with the new wave of silica-based protection, and the task of finding durable alternatives. One I've come across is an acrylic-based product from Xtreme Solutions, 'Magnum Wax' (they use it seal one of their own polishing glazes). They suggest you can then top that off with their PolySeal every month or two for great protection year-round! Beats a ceramic coating imo :)
Gyeon primer m8 it's like a glaze for coatings
@@ForensicDetailing Oh yes of course! Don't suppose you could tell these two apart looks-wise on black paint?
Hi mate lovr your channel, is the black hole abrasive or not as i dont want to kill my clearcoat everytime, what would you recommend a non abrasive swirl hiding product
Hi John great video as always I would love to see a comparison of waxes specifically for black and dark coloured cars like Poorboys Natty’s Black paste wax and Dodo Juices Black widow or purple haze I’m sure there’s load more but having just got a black car would love to see a best of shoot out type video. Thanks
we done all the wax comparisons mate including a mega test. all many years ago.
@@ForensicDetailing Thanks John I went back and re watched some of them again. I’m sure you had done ones with colour enhancers before but could only find the mega test even went back to watch the original 2 part wax review which still holds up to be a great video today.
Never used a glaze before Jon…guess i got convinced at the beginning it was a dirty word and was just filling and not ‘true’ correction or paintwork. I do understand as your expectations change and you realise you can’t achieve 100% perfection they can have a place.
poorboys super slick car shampoo is my favourite for many many years, never use black hole as prefer cars in light colours
Good day Sur welcome back😇🙏❤️
Quality product - never ceases to amaze me.
Very good review. Thanks.
Good vid as always Jon, I tried the Poorboys glaze for lighter colour cars ( I have a sliver E92), I put my usual wax on top but I found I lost a lot of the durability in my wax. I did some research and a lot people said that your wax will not last as long on top of a glaze, is this something you have encountered?
Unfortunately due to the oils in the glaze this while affect the wax/sealant being able to bond to the car clearcoat, therefore affecting the durability of the product you're using.
Hi 40 years ago do used to be stuff called black ebony that did the same thing as this without taking any clear coat off I was a bunny me in 40 years ago and paint the custom work but there’s no longer that stuff around I’m wondering if this is the same stuff
That is a really great product, it certainly does mask the swirls very effectively, I think I should add it to my detailing arsenal❤️.
love the impression
I have autoglymn super resin polish, black hole and a soft 99 dark wax, would this be a ok set of products to use?
This e36 is what made me get mine
Awesome Kevin
Thanks Jon. Would you still clay the paint before using this?
Only if it needs it m8
@@ForensicDetailing Thanks 🍻👍
Chemical Guys Black Light is probably it’s closest competitor.
Poor boys is still better atm
Great video
Smells nice 😊
how would this compare to bilt hamber cleanser polish? BH seems more aio for me as it is a cleaner with top filling capabilities. Even Bilt hamber tells it will reduce protection durability, it did 5000km winter time with BH DSW. This combo made a wonderful look on a blue golf r paint and even the paint was in pretty good condition w/o heavy swirls all over. I also tested filling capability of it on a really bad black lexus LS400. It wouldn't made the paint top but the difference.. oh man. Ah, both just a quick hand job. Black hole afaik is known for really short durability.
Very similar thing really
Love PB BLACKHOLE 👌🏼👌🏼
I like to see more of this product review
Jon your cordless flex polisher which model is it and the small flex polisher cheers job great video 📹 👍
He says in the video
Any recommendations for “clouding” in the paint
clouding in the paint? so you can only act on the surface. so if polishing does not improve it its not on the surface typically mate. so in the same way polishing cannot effect faded paint because the faded paint is under the clearcoat. you can only effect the surface.
Can the poorboys black hole be layered one coat on top of another
It's more a glaze. When you apply coat 2 you will prolly scrub at coat 1. Use it to prime surface for a wax
Do i use this one on a red car or the light one on a red car?
this will be fine mate.
I use the same one from chemical guys any advice the same for red paint never had a red car before just looking for advice.
Red no difference mate black hole glaze might not be ideal but I've used it on red.
@@ForensicDetailing spot spot on thakyou.
Do i use this on a red car or do i have to use the diamond on a red car
its ok on red m8 I used it on the m140 once without problems.
Does soft 99 have any glazes? I have read many places that they recomend using a glaze in the same Brand as the wax one use. Is it really that important?
I'm.nit sure steve
Soft99 has a shampoo/glaze product. Doubt it would work as well as PB. Other than that, most of soft99 wax/sealant products contain fillers.
@@SnakeDoctor5104 i use some soft 99 products but im also very happy i discovered waxaddict. I love their waxes and i read on their HomePage where they mention it would be best to use their glaze aswell. Its just a bit confusing because i have always thought most waxes will fill in tiny swirls. Or will a glaze last/fill better than a wax alone would because of the different components used in a glaze compared to a wax.
I’ve bought too many cars from traders that looked amazing due to this 😂😂
What do you think of autogylm SRP?
I did post a link that I thought you'd like Jon, Chris Harris discussing the new BMW M4 CSL but it looks like CZcams removed it immediately. Shame they have become so bloody selfish, heaven forbid you link someone to something interesting that's not on CZcams. I'll message it to you via your Patreon channel
hay-fever killer
can i use it on my red car?
Yes
Don’t you feel bad that it’s just all fillers though? That the scratches and haze still exist. Maybe I’m just OCD lol
I feel better not shaving away at the clearcoat that is too thin right frim the factory. Thus, I’m interested in fillers that will last me through the sunny season 😄
Great product as are a lot of the PB products
I use black hole on my black Audi Q5. It’s a fantastic product. Easy to apply, basically idiot proof, buffs really well and leaves a fantastic surface to apply wax. I believe there is a version for white cars, White Diamond but never tried it so not sure if it’s any good?
Hi, would you use this on a car with Gyeon mohos and top it with Gyeon wax? I have a Nissan GT-R Nismo in black. Any feedback is appreciated. Thanks for another great video. ps you might be interested in a video I have made about rinsing with filter water and another subscriber would be great!!😊
No m8. Do t use it on a coating
Essence Plus is what you can use to refresh a coating. Specifically formulated for that purpose. Essence has light abrasives, Essence Plus is abrasive free.
Just bought this a couple of weeks ago. Mainly to help my friend.
He has a brand new car which has just been coated with Synergy Lite.
Myself and my mate who is a professional Detailer both told him not to wash it with any shampoo containing waxes.
But he insists on using Triplewax Wash and wax 🤮🤦♂️😱
So it's not if he scratches it but when.
And yes I know he's nuts.
But knows nothing about proper car detailing.
Yet he just ignores any advice.
Can you add wax on top of this
Yes and you should. No wax in Blackhole.
@@wswayne6969 thanks buddy much appreciated
Yee haw
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Have you thought about changing your handle to Puerto Rican Papi with a Pfp of a sunset and a beach?
I feel like that’d be a vibe. 💋
@@NipponStiqqyPaint 😄😄😄😄not gonna happen but could be considered 😄😄😄👌👍
You should be a teacher
Not your best video. It seemed haphazard and unplanned.
guilty :) appreciate the feedback though
1st 🎉