William Kwon dude, fantastic work! You chose great clips that actually timed with what he was saying, most smash CZcamsrs are lazy and just put unrelated clips as filler👏🏼👏🏼
Basically this is neutral game character vs. Punish game character. A neutral game character will be safer, but a punish game character will take stocks more consistently .
I also feel that Wolf is better. Having safer spacing, better air momentum and a heavy combo game makes him “fit” better into the current gameplay meta. Good informative video!
I agree. I think Wolf’s advantage state is also still really good on top of having simple, high damaging combos, so you kind of get the best of both Falco (high damage combos) and Fox (good advantage state with positioning) since his range is greater than Fox and he still has good air mobility and a nice Dash Attack which lets go for people in the air or catch their landings with it, and even if he maybe misses, guess wrong on something, or just doesn’t want to commit that hard he can go for a safe option than usually laser to tack on some percent. I also think he has better ledge traps than Fox, as his Nair and Bair are both pretty safe, can catch ledge jumps, and kill earlier than Fox’s. He has Ftilt which hits neutral get up alongside Nairs, and it also hits opponents as a two frame (like you said) but also hits opponents that wait too long to get up, and then he also has Usmash which can hit a lot of character’s Neutral get up and ledge roll. You actually just use Bair to fish for a jump read, and if they drop ledge, double jump and use an aerial, or anything else really, you can flick your shield up just in case and then Usmash oos them if you have good reaction time. Also his Bthrow lets him get kills at the edge too.
I really think the bthrow plays a lot into it. Falco and Fox do have good kill confirms with nair up smash and up tilt bair, but both require the enemy not to shield. I tend to use all 3 of the spacies a lot, but with Wolf I tend to do better just because once I have the damage it easier to get kills. Also just having as good kill confirm with fair to bair on Wolf has netted me a lot of stocks.
I really like all of them but, I main none of them so, though I have worked on my falco a bit basic need to have stuff like up tilt bairs, fair drag downs and idj drag downs I still play wolf/fox more they're just more effective with less time invested. I dont know that he necessarily wins the MU's but, I think Falco does really well against other spacies maybe, less so fox than wolf specifically in combo game because, comboing fox is a lot harder and he needs specific fox timings sometimes.
I love falco. He’s one of my 3 good characters. Pretty simple why he’s the worst.. kill power!!! And kinda speed. But even the speed isn’t that big of an issue
I think Fox does better against top tiers with his fast oos options and better neutral. Wolf can destroy mid and low tiers with his stronger punishes and better kill options. It’s common to see fox lose against a random low tier like Ganon. Wolf struggles more in the disadvantage state and gets juggled harder.
Great video! I agree that wolf is slightly better. Really the only significant thing that fox has on him is dash speed. Since wolf has to rely on initial dash/foxtrotting on the ground, its more laggy to put up shield and it can sometimes lead to him getting caught off guard and punished for not being able to shield quickly. Wolf can also edgeguard much better using his nair offstage, where as with fox, it is really too risky to edgeguard at all because of his fall speed and overall more exploitable recovery.
I essentially co-main Wolf & Fox, and I completely agree. Fox is tons of fun and explosive, and his neutral and advantage states are ridiculous, but trying to close out a stock with Fox against someone in the 135%+ damage range who can mix up landings and ledge getups can be a nightmare. Wolf's power on more attacks pushes him over the edge for me
Please make the Falco one, I love playing Falco and Wolf and I would like to know your input. I would like a new video on buffs/fixes for Falco too. :D
With Fox having the fastest fall speed, a linear recovery and the 5th lightest weight, he’s arguably the easiest character to kill. Although say Pichu dies earlier, he is much harder to hit. Fox doesn’t have a small hitbox to low profile like most lightweight characters.
Fox has a better offstage/gimp game tho imo. I understand what you mean by linear recovery, but it just goes so much further than Wolf’s recovery options, also considering that Wolf cannot do up B and side B like fox can. So I think that fox has better recovery and better reverse edgeguard potential as well due to shine and the fact that he can use both of his recovery moves to get back to stage.
the main difference is that every option fox has is slow af you can't surprise an opponent with fox recovery, wolf can also fox has no range, meaning he will lose pretty much all aerial battles if he tries to edgeguard, and since he is a fast faller he can't really afford to trade also wolf's air speed compensate for his recovery, fox has an average one and falls like a rock, he gotta press buttons and be predictable
Excellent break down, as usually from Larry! Your point about fox lacking true combos is something many dont think about; he relies a lot on making educated guesses or safe ones. Wolf is better consistently. He dies later, kills earlier with more consistency, and if he gets you to a percentage where kill confirms no longer work, he has a much better time throwing out up smash than fox, and can threaten more options than just smash attacks, bair, or up air, since his side b and up b can be used as mix ups(not amazing options, but the threat of them matters), and he has a kill throw(a huge deal imo). Edit: also, your thumbnails are an underappreciated aspect if your vids. Theyre always clean and appealing. Nice
Shine tech for fox is hella underrated, with the right muscle memory it can mix up and land stalled ariels with ease. Not only that it can keep him alive offstage. Another thing I've noticed is for one it's easier recovering high with fox due to several options, and fox's confirms are with ariels and up tilts as setups along with run up grab, up/down tilt dash attack or smash attacks on certain cases percentage wise, or drag down illusion if you're feeling lucky. For up tilts it combos with itself, b-air, n-air, and sometimes other ariels if they DI a certain away. Kill options are more viable if it's drag down f-air or n-air but for ariels shine and fast fall is the saving grace. I wanted to lab out new things but not too sure what else to use
As a fox main I 100% agree. A lot of fox's "combos" arent actual true combos. They're moves that connect because you read your opponent or they D.I the wrong way allowing you to reach them and do a follow up. His kill options are so predictable. Nair/dair into upsmash - the opponent can just shield or tech given they're not outside the kill percentage. If you whiff the upsmash its extremely punishable. I've died at like 35% from hero's side b, 50% close to the edge by others. Again his recovery is so limited so you really have to change things up. No kill throws, his throws are practically useless for a few extra %. If they gave fox more kill options, maybe uped his B-Air because that's not even 100% whenever it should kill, his up-air isnt always consistent either hitting just the first and not the 2nd hit (the killing hit) make his throws actually lead into something, then he would be better. It's clear as day that fox is a great character however with his given weaknesses; he's just a glass cannon that, in the right hands, against characters better than him who are also in the right hands, it's looking icy for him.
CrimsonSlayer7 Hes overrated. Ofc, in low skilled gameplay hes a god because of the pressure but a cool minded, talented person will know how to fight that linear playstyle. Imo hes low, at best mid high tier. Literally give him a combo throw OR AT THE VERY LEAST THROWS THAT PUT THE ENEMY INTO DISADVAVTAGE and hell be top tier. But him being that crazy linear, having no range and being light asff makes him insanely vulnerable against shield camping and oos gameplay.
@@TQo1 while low tier is too low in my opinion, I do agree with mid-high tier. Light has proven that fox CAN win against higher tier characters but it is a struggle to do when that character is in the hands of a very skilled player
It would be pretty to cool to see a mod for Ult that actually makes the "Ultimate" Spacie from Magic Scrumpy, except this time using Ultimate Spacies.(That was a lot of Ultimate right there) If I had to make a rough draft of the character it would be Attributes Weight:Wolf Walk: Fox Initial Dash: Fox Air Speed: Wolf Run Speed:Fox Fast Fall: Fox Air Accel: Falco Moves Jab:Fox DAttack:Fox Ftilt: Wolf Uptitlt:Falco Dtilt:Fox Upsmash:Fox Forward Smash: Wolf Down Smash:Wolf Nair: Fox Bair:Wolf Fair:Wolf Upair:Fox Dair: Falco Laser:Wolf Side B:Fox Up B: Fox Down B: Wolf Fthrow:Fox UpThrow:Wolf BThrow:Wolf DThrow:Wolf This characters sounds like a nightmare to face tbh
Um wolf bair is the only spacie bair to have a sour spot and is not even the strongest one... I hate smush spacy players they never know what they're talking about
Wolf, hands down. Worse recovery, but his moves combo into everything and most of his attacks are kill confirms, and besides, this isn’t Melee, Fox had his time to, *ahem* Shine
Despite fox being the one who gets comboed more I feel like Falco has it worst since his low air acceleration combined with his slightly taller hurtbox makes comboing him significantly easier than Fox
My Opinion *BEFORE* Watching: If it weren't for Wolf's recovery, it would be Wolf w/o question. I'm gonna have to give it to Fox. He has great combos, good aerials (give him wolf's fair), very impressive agility, good (though unsafe) recovery, decent specials and kill power (especially up smash). The two big flaws to Fox as a Smash character would be his fast falling and light weight. Fast falling benefits more often than not, but being light especailly that his weight was nerfed from smash 4 makes him very easy to kill. My Opinion *AFTER Watching: Fox's combo game is arguably the best of the three (just my opinion). Wolf's recovery sucks, and I'd say that Wolf being comboed easily is character-dependent. Good video! Do Cloud vs Diddy next :D
Despite knowing Wolf is slightly better than Fox, I still main Fox because his fast paced and highly aggressive playstyle fits me a lot - Wolf can play like that too, yeah, but since he's a lot slower it doesn't really feel like Fox does. One thing that I don't really like about Fox though, which is a problem Wolf doesn't have, is the fact that he can't get a confirm off of ANY throw, on ANYONE, at ANY percent (unless you up throw someone at 300% on top of a platform or something, but c'mon). Of course, no one wants to see his busted melee up throw > up air confirms back or anything, but I personally think that to compensate for the fact that you can't confirm off of his aerials into up smash at higher percents, one of his throws should have a better knockback scaling to make up for it. It's not like making his up throw kill a medium weight character at 170-190% will make him broken or anything - that would just solve the frustrating problem he has getting kills at very high percentages since he can't confirm into up smash anymore. That, or make forward throw have a lot less knockback so he can combo off of it better. If he had any of these two, I'd say he would be a little better than Wolf.
I actually think that when playing casual, fox is a bit better, the fact is that unless you played around with wolf for a bit near the edge you will most likely sd with side b. And that basically removes one of his specials from use for new beginners. Me personally, having side b be an absolute glass cannon makes it practically useless unless turned around. I ended up camping at ledge and basically No wolf ever used side b and took a stock. Fox on the other hand has extremely fast speed making him very hard to counter pick. The only time I had a lot of trouble online was against characters with long disjointed hit boxes. It is the main counter pick I saw. Please I implore you to try and comment saying why I am wrong
I agree that wolf is better than fox. This video is really well made, as expected from Larry, but there's a few things I disagree with. I think that Falco actually has the best recovery out of the space animals because of his quick side b and great double jump height. I just think that can lead to more mixups than Wolf can muster. I also think the reason Wolf is the best is because of his versatility and consistent kill power. The transcendent blaster is an amazing projectile that can allow him to camp out some matchups, and make fighting zoners easier. His kill confirms are also imo easier and more consistent to hit, which puts more pressure on the opponent at high %.
I was a Falco main, watched this video like 2 Hours, played a few matches, now it's clear why Falco is the worst, it's sad but true (Metallica Reference not intended), I'm definitely making the switch, not sure if I'll go Fox or Wolf since I'm great with both, but I'll probably choose Wolf just because I like his appearance more
falco is seriously underrated. I play as Fox and Samus and Roy. Wolf idk tbh I just dont feel it. to slow and feels like tard sword character. Edit FoxAfterMarriage is good online the aerials are preety good, you can only go so fast and it wouldnt make a difference so DivorcedFox is good. Also ffs Bowser is fast asf like how much more speed do you need. Also I cant parry reliable at all on online. Fox main weakness is not having disjoints, so many of his attack will clanks and characters with armour will just straight ignore the attack.
Someone in a vgbc chat said it best (not exact quote)"fox is there to style on people, wolf brings the money home" Sidenote: I think fox never getting anything off grab really hurts him overall. Add this to the fact he is 5th lightest, I honestly think he is not top tier.
Julian B.F I agree. No grab combos or kill throw and super abusable recovery, and his edgeguarding is so pepega that even light won’t dare to go offstage like ever. Against good or top players, Fox is high tier
@@yourehereforthatarentyou honestly I'm not sure why but for some reason it seems like his up b hitbox protects him less than the others and it doesnt help that he announces an audio cue that basically might as well say "attack me now" right before blasting off. Wolf might just ascend faster making it harder but I noticed people fail to cover his more often than not and his side b is really good as a mixup . Falco up b is worse but he has a very good dirctional air dodge and double jump and his phantasm is faster than illusion
@@yourehereforthatarentyou I went ahead and checked and his up b hitbox is significantly worse than wolf's actually. On top of all of that stuff because he falls the fastest he has the worst ability to drift before using a recovery move out of the 3 making his recovery the most predictable out of the 3
eyepatch fox is worse because he can't see as well
Makes Sense
Seems legit
Since they move in a 2-D plane, his 1-D vision is more than enough.
@@HeroC14 LOL
Suck it, disability boy
The only reason larry made this video was to flex some footage of him beating light
And ending it on bringing MKLeo to game five.
I was the editor for this video and yeah I gotta make the homie look good
William Kwon dude, fantastic work! You chose great clips that actually timed with what he was saying, most smash CZcamsrs are lazy and just put unrelated clips as filler👏🏼👏🏼
when? i am curious.
@@WilliamKwon ya great editing man! ;)
Wolf to fox : “You’re good, but I’m better”
Toddrick Weir but im gooder
@@puffi8182 You is good, but me is gooder.
You good but me good but more good
Toddrick Weir Gooder*
@@philippecoppieters4742 New Gimr video: The Engoodening of Fox's Kill Options.
Who's better Fox or Wolf
Me: That ain't Falco.
*HAPPY FEET*
*WOMBO COMBO*
*DAMN SON*
WHERE YOU AT
WHERE YOU AT
WHERE YOU AT
Trick question, it's Falco
Justin Darling i think you meant bird fox
bird up
You're 18 years behind bro
Trick from meta of smash?
Ayy Trixx, are you in his discord?
Basically this is neutral game character vs. Punish game character.
A neutral game character will be safer, but a punish game character will take stocks more consistently .
10k likes for a Falco video, that's quite the goal.
don't worry, if he had any intention to even make that video he'll do it anyway regardless of likes
@@kentaIzzy which is why he said 10k.
Well, uh...
...I can list off like half of his moveset which doesn't even function properly, and that's not even half of it
It’s just gonna be a 5 second clip of up smash whiffing
@@largenaq2935 nahnahnah, upsmash whiffing, people falling out of nair, bair struggling to kill, people falling out of throws, all combined
Yeah, cool, but the best Space Animal is Ridley.
Yes, the scaly bird is the best space animal.
Nice
Not in smash
Ridley ass lol.. I would know cause I used to main him before I switched to donkey Kong and Mario.
@@Official_RKotababy but Ridley is better than DK and people way underrate him
Fox? You mean Depth-Perception Wolf?
How about depth perception?
@@Sly_Maverick_31 - Who about depth perception?
@@Pslamist ur mom
fyi, this is an eye patch joke
@@sosukeaizen7056 - Finally; somebody gets it.
"It's very close, but... at the moment I believe it to be Wolf."
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@@sleepylad9829 why dark wizzy?
Dark Wizzy got beat by Ouch!? who mains Wolf
I think Wolf is more approachable to newcomers, and when used by a pro, really good. But I think that Fox is better when used by a pro.
Falco may be the worse of the trio but that doesn't make him the worst of the roster.
@@sleepylad9829 Tilde proves these tier list prove nothing anymore 😭
0:21 Patch 8.0 Falco: Imma stop you right there
What I love about maining cloud and wolf is the fact that once you get momentum going it feels like your playing the best characters in the game
If they fix Cloud's finishing touch, he could easily go into top tier.
Val And his nair, I don’t care if they fix finishing touch I just want him to have an existent nair.
@@phosforek7343 is his nair that bad?
Chris Tucker Yes, it would make little difference if he didn’t even have a nair in the first place.
Phosforek i find it better for catching techs and fast falling it makes the hit box slightly bigger
"Wolf has one of the slowest running speeds in the game.""
*Internally screams in Robin.*
*Incineroar Main here*
Incineroar says hello
*Incineroar wants to know your location*
GANON WANTS TO KNOW YOUR LOCATION
Nah jk robin is slower than ganon for some reason lmao
@@farouklopez7242 Lets be real. At least Incineroar isn't a mid-lightweight.
inplane Ok but he doesn't have air mobility lol
Even if fox was better, why play a way less cool character? Wolf has an eyepatch.
Like bro
I'll leave Wolf for the edgy teens😛
Brian Green and I’ll leave fox for unemployed grandpas
@@pastyIe my man.
@@briangreen3496
wat?
You’re right, Dark fox is cooler
I mean... you dropped Fox for Wolf. So clearly you think Duck Hunt is the best space animal.
I mean hey. All 3 are canines.
@@kimiwasshoutsisuwakonodows8809 The duck from duck hunt- 👁👄👁
damn you really put in the charlie vs maister clip
highcausejordan I cried
Wait what happened I missed it. :/
@@SparkyForce 4:06 the clip starts, he does fair>bair>flash but it doesn't actually kill because it didn't get the spike hitbox and he was too low %
@@gabrielnunez8504 i die a little inside whenever i see it
highcausejordan me too buddy, me too
"I think Wolf has the *edge* " well he indeed does
I also feel that Wolf is better. Having safer spacing, better air momentum and a heavy combo game makes him “fit” better into the current gameplay meta. Good informative video!
"Its pretty obvious Falco is the worst of the three" is the last thing I heard before I tapped another video
I just turned around and started contemplating on life.
Yeah it's sad he's not that good, sorry but we must face the truth. Falco needs a few little tweaks and this could change quickly tho :).
The truth tends to be hard to swallow.
He's the worst of the 3, but still solid.
@@blackdot105 Needs more pineapple juice.
Lets hear about Falco! He’s my most played and in Elite Smash but man, I couldn’t put up with him anymore despite being fun!
Falco is better than the other two wdum?
Larry, you have a very soothing voice.
I like that Larry uses his own clips
You do a really good job of finding clips that reinforce the points you make.
Make a video on why you initially mained falco before wolf
Wolf may be technically better, but Fox is always gonna be my boi
*memories from melee*
I agree. I think Wolf’s advantage state is also still really good on top of having simple, high damaging combos, so you kind of get the best of both Falco (high damage combos) and Fox (good advantage state with positioning) since his range is greater than Fox and he still has good air mobility and a nice Dash Attack which lets go for people in the air or catch their landings with it, and even if he maybe misses, guess wrong on something, or just doesn’t want to commit that hard he can go for a safe option than usually laser to tack on some percent. I also think he has better ledge traps than Fox, as his Nair and Bair are both pretty safe, can catch ledge jumps, and kill earlier than Fox’s. He has Ftilt which hits neutral get up alongside Nairs, and it also hits opponents as a two frame (like you said) but also hits opponents that wait too long to get up, and then he also has Usmash which can hit a lot of character’s Neutral get up and ledge roll. You actually just use Bair to fish for a jump read, and if they drop ledge, double jump and use an aerial, or anything else really, you can flick your shield up just in case and then Usmash oos them if you have good reaction time. Also his Bthrow lets him get kills at the edge too.
I really think the bthrow plays a lot into it. Falco and Fox do have good kill confirms with nair up smash and up tilt bair, but both require the enemy not to shield. I tend to use all 3 of the spacies a lot, but with Wolf I tend to do better just because once I have the damage it easier to get kills. Also just having as good kill confirm with fair to bair on Wolf has netted me a lot of stocks.
How about an alternative, where everyone stops tier picking and Falco mains live in harmony with the top tier spacies.
Maybe we don't want to use a broken (literally) character
Yes.
I really like all of them but, I main none of them so, though I have worked on my falco a bit basic need to have stuff like up tilt bairs, fair drag downs and idj drag downs I still play wolf/fox more they're just more effective with less time invested. I dont know that he necessarily wins the MU's but, I think Falco does really well against other spacies maybe, less so fox than wolf specifically in combo game because, comboing fox is a lot harder and he needs specific fox timings sometimes.
The real question is why they haven't put Slippy into the game
Tonto You spelt Krystal by accident
@@qblanson17 I'm not sure what you mean, that's exactly how Slippy is spelled 😏
Slippy is stuck in Titania
Because, Peppy is up next anyways.
@@ChiodosBlowsDogs He'll break a hip though
It’s a crime that Fox is lighter than olimar, Kirby, isabell, pica, etc.
I never thought i could get offended by a fact
you should make a video ranking the spacies on hype factor.
love the content by the way brother!
Falco wins. Then maybe, wolf? Some of those wolf flash kills have some hype since they aren't easy to land are flashy and there's huge risk in them
I love falco. He’s one of my 3 good characters. Pretty simple why he’s the worst.. kill power!!! And kinda speed. But even the speed isn’t that big of an issue
Fox is good, but Wolf is better.
"eye patch fox" hmmmm
I like Nick Furry
Gosh, I miss Larry's Fox
His ultimate Fox looks out of place
I think Fox does better against top tiers with his fast oos options and better neutral. Wolf can destroy mid and low tiers with his stronger punishes and better kill options.
It’s common to see fox lose against a random low tier like Ganon.
Wolf struggles more in the disadvantage state and gets juggled harder.
Common?
Caasinom okay, maybe it’s not common but we’ve all seen Fox struggle against random mid tiers before such as Luigi.
@@thatswhatisaidbunnybread.5317 hey dont bully my man luigi
@@HippityhoppityGnW Luigi is the worst character that beats Fox
@@thatswhatisaidbunnybread.5317 true but still
Great video! I agree that wolf is slightly better. Really the only significant thing that fox has on him is dash speed. Since wolf has to rely on initial dash/foxtrotting on the ground, its more laggy to put up shield and it can sometimes lead to him getting caught off guard and punished for not being able to shield quickly. Wolf can also edgeguard much better using his nair offstage, where as with fox, it is really too risky to edgeguard at all because of his fall speed and overall more exploitable recovery.
Great video! I love the space animals ever since the N64 days. When are they going to show my boy Falco some top-tier love again?
They should give fox a kill throw and a combo out of down throw
A combo off of up throw you mean 👀
he would be broken
Tobi Top tiers arent top tier because they are balanced. Either nerf those or buff others (pref. buff big time)
@@TQo1 what's your point?
Tobi Fox is bad, buffing him and making him "broken" would make him even with actual top tiers
I essentially co-main Wolf & Fox, and I completely agree. Fox is tons of fun and explosive, and his neutral and advantage states are ridiculous, but trying to close out a stock with Fox against someone in the 135%+ damage range who can mix up landings and ledge getups can be a nightmare. Wolf's power on more attacks pushes him over the edge for me
Please make the Falco one, I love playing Falco and Wolf and I would like to know your input. I would like a new video on buffs/fixes for Falco too. :D
With Fox having the fastest fall speed, a linear recovery and the 5th lightest weight, he’s arguably the easiest character to kill. Although say Pichu dies earlier, he is much harder to hit. Fox doesn’t have a small hitbox to low profile like most lightweight characters.
Also pichus recovery is less punishable.
Fox is hard to combo and hard to hit if you know how to play him. frame 2 airdodge I think
@@ChiodosBlowsDogs nope
"You're good, but i'm better"
Fox has a better offstage/gimp game tho imo. I understand what you mean by linear recovery, but it just goes so much further than Wolf’s recovery options, also considering that Wolf cannot do up B and side B like fox can. So I think that fox has better recovery and better reverse edgeguard potential as well due to shine and the fact that he can use both of his recovery moves to get back to stage.
the main difference is that every option fox has is slow af
you can't surprise an opponent with fox recovery, wolf can
also fox has no range, meaning he will lose pretty much all aerial battles if he tries to edgeguard, and since he is a fast faller he can't really afford to trade
also wolf's air speed compensate for his recovery, fox has an average one and falls like a rock, he gotta press buttons and be predictable
Killer Queen What you wrote is so wrong, lowkey triggers me
@@TQo1 LMAOO sorry bro
It’s funny cause now Larry plays falco
"Falco is the worst space animal"
Falco's Up tilt: Am I a joke to you?
"What about Falc- Oh, yeah. Right."
Excellent break down, as usually from Larry! Your point about fox lacking true combos is something many dont think about; he relies a lot on making educated guesses or safe ones.
Wolf is better consistently. He dies later, kills earlier with more consistency, and if he gets you to a percentage where kill confirms no longer work, he has a much better time throwing out up smash than fox, and can threaten more options than just smash attacks, bair, or up air, since his side b and up b can be used as mix ups(not amazing options, but the threat of them matters), and he has a kill throw(a huge deal imo).
Edit: also, your thumbnails are an underappreciated aspect if your vids. Theyre always clean and appealing. Nice
Falco: *cries in the corner*
Shine tech for fox is hella underrated, with the right muscle memory it can mix up and land stalled ariels with ease. Not only that it can keep him alive offstage. Another thing I've noticed is for one it's easier recovering high with fox due to several options, and fox's confirms are with ariels and up tilts as setups along with run up grab, up/down tilt dash attack or smash attacks on certain cases percentage wise, or drag down illusion if you're feeling lucky. For up tilts it combos with itself, b-air, n-air, and sometimes other ariels if they DI a certain away. Kill options are more viable if it's drag down f-air or n-air but for ariels shine and fast fall is the saving grace. I wanted to lab out new things but not too sure what else to use
Monoka_exe wtf did you just type ..
@@TQo1 I've been a fox main since 64
Fox does have another kill option with falling up airs but the window is kinda tight.
I very rarely lose to Fox when playing Wolf.
Who would win?
A edgy furry who killed a someone’s father with no regret
Or
A furry who can go to the 5th dimension and destroy the universe
did wolf kill james mccloud?
i love the phrase eyepatch fox lmao
Wolf: You’re good, but Im better!
As a fox main I 100% agree. A lot of fox's "combos" arent actual true combos. They're moves that connect because you read your opponent or they D.I the wrong way allowing you to reach them and do a follow up.
His kill options are so predictable. Nair/dair into upsmash - the opponent can just shield or tech given they're not outside the kill percentage. If you whiff the upsmash its extremely punishable.
I've died at like 35% from hero's side b, 50% close to the edge by others. Again his recovery is so limited so you really have to change things up.
No kill throws, his throws are practically useless for a few extra %.
If they gave fox more kill options, maybe uped his B-Air because that's not even 100% whenever it should kill, his up-air isnt always consistent either hitting just the first and not the 2nd hit (the killing hit) make his throws actually lead into something, then he would be better.
It's clear as day that fox is a great character however with his given weaknesses; he's just a glass cannon that, in the right hands, against characters better than him who are also in the right hands, it's looking icy for him.
CrimsonSlayer7 Hes overrated. Ofc, in low skilled gameplay hes a god because of the pressure but a cool minded, talented person will know how to fight that linear playstyle. Imo hes low, at best mid high tier. Literally give him a combo throw OR AT THE VERY LEAST THROWS THAT PUT THE ENEMY INTO DISADVAVTAGE and hell be top tier. But him being that crazy linear, having no range and being light asff makes him insanely vulnerable against shield camping and oos gameplay.
@@TQo1 while low tier is too low in my opinion, I do agree with mid-high tier. Light has proven that fox CAN win against higher tier characters but it is a struggle to do when that character is in the hands of a very skilled player
Just watching light play fox gives me PTSD of 20xx
How can you have ptsd of 20XX as the entire point of it is that it hasn’t happened yet??
@@lightbrand_ I took alot of mystery pills last night and I saw the future
rankhobo alright, you got me
Fellas its obviously Slippy
It would be pretty to cool to see a mod for Ult that actually makes the "Ultimate" Spacie from Magic Scrumpy, except this time using Ultimate Spacies.(That was a lot of Ultimate right there)
If I had to make a rough draft of the character it would be
Attributes
Weight:Wolf
Walk: Fox
Initial Dash: Fox
Air Speed: Wolf
Run Speed:Fox
Fast Fall: Fox
Air Accel: Falco
Moves
Jab:Fox
DAttack:Fox
Ftilt: Wolf
Uptitlt:Falco
Dtilt:Fox
Upsmash:Fox
Forward Smash: Wolf
Down Smash:Wolf
Nair: Fox
Bair:Wolf
Fair:Wolf
Upair:Fox
Dair: Falco
Laser:Wolf
Side B:Fox
Up B: Fox
Down B: Wolf
Fthrow:Fox
UpThrow:Wolf
BThrow:Wolf
DThrow:Wolf
This characters sounds like a nightmare to face tbh
I’d say up throw for falco. It would be kind of like the up throw->up air like melee fox
@@viegodalencio Issue with Up Throw is that the throw can kind of become useless with DI the throw so the laser does not connect
Um wolf bair is the only spacie bair to have a sour spot and is not even the strongest one... I hate smush spacy players they never know what they're talking about
some changes
Uptilt : Fox
Dtilt : Wolf
Upb/ Sideb : Wolf
@@Himadpeoples You're suggesting the falco Bair is stronger?
i agree but nothing is sillier than landing that off stage side-B with Flaco
Falco: what the-
Imo fox is way better if you’re a god at tech chasing (I.E. light)
'if'
for sure if you can tech chase like that up smash becomes a ridiculous kill move
Fox: HYYAAAAAAA. (Spams B)
Is the Starfox franchise gonna be revived by any chance?
They tried with zero and failed immensely so it will be a long while
Sadly, I agree with the last statement...much love for Fox though
@@AbyssalOzen maybe if they didnt put it on the fucking wii u and fill it with gimmicky gameplay
Wolf, hands down. Worse recovery, but his moves combo into everything and most of his attacks are kill confirms, and besides, this isn’t Melee, Fox had his time to, *ahem*
Shine
also wolf has a cooler outfit
TL:DW "Fox is lighter and gets edge gaurded easier therefore wolf is better"
Despite fox being the one who gets comboed more I feel like Falco has it worst since his low air acceleration combined with his slightly taller hurtbox makes comboing him significantly easier than Fox
Worst doesn't mean bad right?
Generally this is how I've seen it
Falco - high c to mid b tier
Fox - middle to high a tier
Wolf - s tier, possibly top 5 best character
This didn’t age well
Really instructive about the 3. Why not making an in depth match up analyse of Fox vs Wolf ? Keep it up!
Doesn’t matter what anyone says anyways cause it’s always Wolf as the coolest
If played perfectly with best reaction id say fox, while wolf is literaly a carry in casual.
alex v yea but you can't play perfectly so theres no point in even bringing that up
My Opinion *BEFORE* Watching: If it weren't for Wolf's recovery, it would be Wolf w/o question. I'm gonna have to give it to Fox. He has great combos, good aerials (give him wolf's fair), very impressive agility, good (though unsafe) recovery, decent specials and kill power (especially up smash). The two big flaws to Fox as a Smash character would be his fast falling and light weight. Fast falling benefits more often than not, but being light especailly that his weight was nerfed from smash 4 makes him very easy to kill.
My Opinion *AFTER Watching: Fox's combo game is arguably the best of the three (just my opinion). Wolf's recovery sucks, and I'd say that Wolf being comboed easily is character-dependent. Good video! Do Cloud vs Diddy next :D
Despite knowing Wolf is slightly better than Fox, I still main Fox because his fast paced and highly aggressive playstyle fits me a lot - Wolf can play like that too, yeah, but since he's a lot slower it doesn't really feel like Fox does. One thing that I don't really like about Fox though, which is a problem Wolf doesn't have, is the fact that he can't get a confirm off of ANY throw, on ANYONE, at ANY percent (unless you up throw someone at 300% on top of a platform or something, but c'mon). Of course, no one wants to see his busted melee up throw > up air confirms back or anything, but I personally think that to compensate for the fact that you can't confirm off of his aerials into up smash at higher percents, one of his throws should have a better knockback scaling to make up for it. It's not like making his up throw kill a medium weight character at 170-190% will make him broken or anything - that would just solve the frustrating problem he has getting kills at very high percentages since he can't confirm into up smash anymore. That, or make forward throw have a lot less knockback so he can combo off of it better. If he had any of these two, I'd say he would be a little better than Wolf.
Well I guess wolf was always right
Wolf: Your good but I'm better
As far as Spacies go, neither Fox nor Wolf do it for me. I’ll stick to the bird.
Noob
Funny watching this now where he says falco is the worst of the 3 and he basically solo mains him now
"How about depth perception?"
but which space animal is best looking?! also Wolf. That patch yo
why isn't Larry top 50?
Thought the falcon would be on this video but good enjoyable watch
Here when falco got buffed
Oh please make a falco video, i want to be able to reference it in EVERY discussion
I actually think that when playing casual, fox is a bit better, the fact is that unless you played around with wolf for a bit near the edge you will most likely sd with side b. And that basically removes one of his specials from use for new beginners. Me personally, having side b be an absolute glass cannon makes it practically useless unless turned around. I ended up camping at ledge and basically No wolf ever used side b and took a stock. Fox on the other hand has extremely fast speed making him very hard to counter pick. The only time I had a lot of trouble online was against characters with long disjointed hit boxes. It is the main counter pick I saw. Please I implore you to try and comment saying why I am wrong
I agree that wolf is better than fox. This video is really well made, as expected from Larry, but there's a few things I disagree with. I think that Falco actually has the best recovery out of the space animals because of his quick side b and great double jump height. I just think that can lead to more mixups than Wolf can muster. I also think the reason Wolf is the best is because of his versatility and consistent kill power. The transcendent blaster is an amazing projectile that can allow him to camp out some matchups, and make fighting zoners easier. His kill confirms are also imo easier and more consistent to hit, which puts more pressure on the opponent at high %.
i've co-mained them both for quite a while, so i'm just like 'nyeh doesn't really matter'
Drag down forward air to tech chase is a kill option for fox when weak nair to up smash doesn’t work
I was a Falco main, watched this video like 2 Hours, played a few matches, now it's clear why Falco is the worst, it's sad but true (Metallica Reference not intended), I'm definitely making the switch, not sure if I'll go Fox or Wolf since I'm great with both, but I'll probably choose Wolf just because I like his appearance more
falco is seriously underrated. I play as Fox and Samus and Roy.
Wolf idk tbh I just dont feel it. to slow and feels like tard sword character.
Edit
FoxAfterMarriage is good online the aerials are preety good, you can only go so fast and it wouldnt make a difference so DivorcedFox is good.
Also ffs Bowser is fast asf like how much more speed do you need.
Also I cant parry reliable at all on online.
Fox main weakness is not having disjoints, so many of his attack will clanks and characters with armour will just straight ignore the attack.
I'm currently trio maining all three of them. Lmao.
8:52 Fox’s Fair spikes?
Weak spike, but yeah.
If you're a combo heavy player main fox. If you're style is more precision and well rounded main wolf.
I already know why Falco is the worst spacie, but Id like to hear your take on it
I enjoy more fox, but i can see where you are coming from, and i can not disagree
good job
have a nice day
Do any of the spacies cover the other spacies’ bad matchups?
Keep grinding. We need a return of Apex Larry.
I do agree with this but Falco has great advantages vs the other two.
Falco is obviously the best because of his insane Down Taunt to Down Smash combo
Someone in a vgbc chat said it best (not exact quote)"fox is there to style on people, wolf brings the money home"
Sidenote: I think fox never getting anything off grab really hurts him overall. Add this to the fact he is 5th lightest, I honestly think he is not top tier.
Julian B.F I agree. No grab combos or kill throw and super abusable recovery, and his edgeguarding is so pepega that even light won’t dare to go offstage like ever. Against good or top players, Fox is high tier
I could just be garbage at the game, but I’m almost positive fox has the best recovery out of all of them
It goes the furthest but it's the easiest to edgeguard
You’re right. But very easily punished out of the three.
@@anotheryugiohplayer946 what makes it any more vulnerable than falco or wolf's?
@@yourehereforthatarentyou honestly I'm not sure why but for some reason it seems like his up b hitbox protects him less than the others and it doesnt help that he announces an audio cue that basically might as well say "attack me now" right before blasting off. Wolf might just ascend faster making it harder but I noticed people fail to cover his more often than not and his side b is really good as a mixup . Falco up b is worse but he has a very good dirctional air dodge and double jump and his phantasm is faster than illusion
@@yourehereforthatarentyou I went ahead and checked and his up b hitbox is significantly worse than wolf's actually. On top of all of that stuff because he falls the fastest he has the worst ability to drift before using a recovery move out of the 3 making his recovery the most predictable out of the 3