Why Samples in the Same Key Don't Fit
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This came from a conversation with some DJ Friends where I failed to describe what a Key really is, and why its not a guarantee that samples will work together. So I made a video instead!
00:00 - Intro
01:17 - Sample Key Basics
03:25 - Key Purpose
05:45 - Progressions
08:35 - Bass Matters
12:43 - Sample labeling
15:35 - Solutions
17:35 - Solution 2
22:33 - Please Help
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Correction I meant + 3 or + 4 at 17:30 not minus
Youngsters today will never understand how we would have killed to have this channel available to us on CZcams 17 years ago 😫 every time you make a video like this, I see something explained amazingly in half hour, that I took about 2 months to understand through experimentation years ago 😫 and I’m only now getting the terminology to go with it tbh 😂😂😂
It’s ok, TikTok doesn’t care about key 🔑
If we would’ve had this video 17 years ago it would’ve probably taken an hour to buffer and it would have been laggy as hell 😊
I'm a youngster
I'm appreciative 😢
@@stereokuuji 😂😂
I picked up the guitar at the back end of the 1980's with no help and you do learn but it just takes longer and is more frustrating.
That been said, I have learnt more over this last 20 years because of channels like this but I would never assume that younger people would be ungrateful because they didn't know any better.
Doesn't matter how you get there, it's all about the journey.
No clickbait titles and ridiculous thumbnails, great explanations and a good sense of humour.. this channel is a gem ❤
That’s why he the GOAT
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I subscribed after watching one video. I’ve been producing for 4 years now and have scoured the interwebs for production tutorials. You are far and away the crème de la crème.
Aw thanks Ryan. welcome!
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great video especially as the likes of splice and loopcloud are very prominent nowdays, i found this really useful to why some samples dont always go together and now know a solution 👍
Nice one mate! I was looking forward to this video on your channel. Great to see that you gave it your own spin, unlike many others in our space of music production CZcamsrs who blatantly copy videos almost 1:1. Well done!
Another great video man Thanks ❤
Dawg, you are simply the best!! I learn so much new stuff, and it helps me articulate knowledge to fellow producers so much better. Btw, could you do a video on how to correctly warp samples with the different options at hand in Ableton?
I'm so glad you haven't succumbed to 99% of other channels where you feel you need to post a picture of you expressing some faux emotion next to a click baity headline like "I can't believe they thought marmite would make their mix sound better" or whatever. Thank you for respecting your audience
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Sampling will always be relevant in making digital music, and as indicated, is an amazing gateway tool to learning to produce. Thanks for making these B, so I don’t have to (not that I could anyway 😂). This is my go to channel to improve and send others to for dance music production material that matters. Keep it poppin’ mate 🧉 🤙🏽😎🖤
Greetings from the netherlands. Just came across your channel and by the looks of it it seems i can learn a lot here , as im practicly a beginner. Im not using a DAW but a mpc , but it aplies to that aswell for most part.
Welcome and thanks!
Yes I try to teach in musical principles that should be universally applicable.
Great video.
Thanks and best of luck to Maria
Wow @10:00 (bass changing the chord) .Pretty mind-blowing for me. Thank you !
This a very simple but very useful video, thank you for taking the time to put it together. Some of the tools i use to detect the key/chord of a sample are the free Traktor Dj software, Antares Auto Key, Melodyne, Hornet Song Key. Usually between that lot i get a good idea. But not always 😅
I have hornet, tracktor and melodyne too.
Melodyne is the OG of polyphonic analysis and might be the best, but I wasn't going to get into that in a beginners video aimed at djs haha.
But like you say between a few it might get you closer to the truth
@@Bthelick sure, totally understandable. I've actullay found Melodyne to give the weirdest interpretations, Traktor Dj the most reliable and Hornet the least reliable, although i have tried to persuade the Hornet guy to make a full track analysis function available like Auto Key and he seemed receptive to the idea. Anyway, thanks again for the video, just found your channel and really enjoying the content. Just at at the start of learning music theory despite doing music for about 20 year using samples etc so your content is really useful, thanks again.
Amazing work! Congrats! I would suggest a video about the Scales, Harmony etc of Afro House or Afro Beats in general. Thank you!
It's 99% minor. It's more about the rhythm in Afro house. Did you see my organic house video?. There's a lot of cross over
@@Bthelick I'm going to watch it right now! Thank you so much!
great video again thank you
I love this guy!
I have tried to preach this to many DJ's and mashup artists over the years. Even if the songs are in the same key it doesn't mean they will sound good together. Hopefully with stems separation tools and better key detection we will get the progression and scale of the track. The best option so far is ear training.
thank you for including fl too :)
Always coming through with theory for us general folk. Thank You !! Gone back to my Jungle and DnB so tutorials heavy i cant see any from yourself ?
Absolutely. I've just bought the amigo sampler! (If you've not seen it you must) Perfect for og jungle vibes I'll definitely be making some soon
@@Bthelick Omgosh yea i brought it to after i follow Stranjah alot. Im looking forward to those vids. Thank you so much.
@@RolledInARaw did you see the resident advisor mini-documentary?
@@Bthelick Yes I did. Crazy I grew up south London when it was coming up. Thats why i switch to Jungle Drum & Bass. Cant keep me away. Just waiting for my launchpad mk1 to do jungle live thing.
Using stem separation tools (Spectralayers etc) can be a great way to find notes and chords in more complex music.
Yep it's getting there alright. I've been playing with RipX.
Don't get too drawn into some tech doing it all for you, you need to learn by ear because you are doing yourself a disservice mate.
Thank you Mister, helpful as always. If anyone wants to train their ear, big recommendation for the Courses from Audible Genius I really like them. Building Blocks for Drums and Chords, and Syntorial for (who would have guessed) Synths.
As a new producer it is amazing to me how you took that piano sample and are able to pick the notes out of it and put it into midi. Would love to see some tips on deconstructing samples like that
I'm afraid that's just years of practice ear training.
Best place to start imo is trying to figure out the notes of your favorite melodies, as those are one note at a time. You'll eventually start to recognize note distances.
Just drag the track into the daw and play a super short snip of the start of the melody so it's just the first note, then try to find that on the midi/keys. After you've found it move on to the next change.
After you can do that well you should be able to start to hear bass parts (or just the lowest notes in a part), and that leads to being able to hear chords
@@Bthelick Understood. That is helpful. Thanks for the reply!
Another A+ video. Where's the course?
Hats off to Sir B 🕴️
Thanks again for your awesome video🤧. I just can’t get my drums to match. Like instead of sounding cohesive , they sound like a bunch of samples from different sample packs mashed together , any advice oh great wise one 😢
Hmmmm,
Did you see my drum tutorial? (It's titled house drums but it applies to most genres really)
And of course, just reference more! A lot more
This information is important 👏 i think we take sampling for granted. I never went this deep 🤔🤔
randomly found this and this would drive me crazy, glad i just use vst instruments mostly and analog hardware synths
What hardware do you use?
The term ‘always’ is of course tricky in music.
I believe the highest note in a chord isn’t always the same distance from the root, in case of inverted chords and/or augmented or diminished chords
Yes very true, I shouldn't have let an 'always" slip in there I was trying to keep to "typically" haha. For those new to these concepts I wasn't going to get into inversions and alterations yet, that would just confuse the early principle.
Let me just start by saying the channel is great and most other videos are very good (as is this one actually, the content itself is great) however this is my opinion on using these kinds of samples that consist of an entire melodic line or chord progression -
Don't know why people are so afraid of writing their own music. Instead of investing time learning how to correctly detect keys, how to get samples to fit together, and then go on endless searches in order to find a bunch of samples to use, I'd invest the time in getting better at writing your own melodies and chords. It feels better and is more fulfilling at the end, knowing that your music is all yours and not a mishmash of other people's ideas that you made work in combination. Additionally there are a lot of these samples that are just "meh", mediocre at best - and this actually makes a lot of sense: If I actually made an awesome melody I wouldn't put it in a package and try to sell it for a few dollars so someone makes a hit song out of it, I'd try to write that hit myself.
I don't think it's a case of "being afraid to make your own music"
I addressed DJs in the intro for a reason, not "producers" or other types.
Djs (proper ones) and dance music itself come from a place of mashup culture, that IS how they make their own music!
Anything that looks remotely 'classical' or academic (like a piano) is not scary, it's anti DJ culture. Before decks and samplers , making music was something very much for those with money. A djs instrument IS their decks, and historically these methods were the enabler that unlocked music making for a massive amount of people who previously couldn't afford it. There's a reason hip hop is the largest genre in the world.
Of course when it emerged in the 80s It was denounced as being "not music" or musical by the snobs.
It's like telling a working class person that the best type of alcohol they can make themselves at home is champagne!
It's a mindset and a culture thing. Samples are their own art , skill set, and instrument. Yes being music aware actually helps do better mashups , but I'm not going to press that fact from the perspective of musical snobbery, I've made this video more like a PSA so that those who WANT to use samples can do so a little better.
Having said that, If you look at the origins of music in classical and jazz, sampling was the done thing then too. Classical composers would 'sample' from other composers as a sign of respect,
You can see the subsequent works called "variations on a theme" or similar.
Same with jazz and their standards, it's the done thing to acknowledge your influences and integrate them into your own.
Being able to integrate different musical ideas into others beat through sampling, remixing, or musical interpolation Is respected just as much a skill as a completely original composition.
(Not that there's music truly original composition in a western system of seven notes 🤣)
Music is just an art form of emotional communication, and cultural resonance is at the heart of that. how It's achieved is irrelevant.
As the great Genesis P Orridge said;
"Anything that makes a sound is an instrument, anyone who can make it make that sound is a musician" .
People who use samples aren't scared to make their own music. They ARE making their own music!
Ha! Some years ago I was arguing with loopcloud about this issue and weather a simple B label was a Bm or BMaj, or not having a third. They weren't happy...
I've only seen one sample pack, from Reason, where they spelled out each chord in the progression, yes even the D11...
Traditionally (as in classical/jazz) just a letter with no maj /min afterwards means major. But expecting the uploaders to know that is the same as expecting them to get the key right!
(This sample here was minor, but the video was long enough I wasn't going to confuse the issue any further 🤣🤦♂️)
@@Bthelick yes, which makes it confusing when they have both B and BMaj, what do they mean? And then you find the B sample was actually Bm... Like they say, "trust nobody"... I use Melodyne with DNA for analysis but it is very cumbersome.
There appears to be a bug in the new logic update
If I use pitch correction and try and change the pitch of a sample the DAW will crash
Supposedly they're working on a fix
Anybody who is suffering this problem I have found a workaround
Simply drag your sound sample into the sample synth
Once you have it in the Cynth you can place it as whatever you wish which will change the pitch
After you do that simply bounce your midi
Delete the sample synthesizer
And now you have an audio recording with the appropriate pitch and no crash
Only takes maybe 60 seconds longer
Hope that helps somebody
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'a swaaaarm of beees' ....haha I love this dude.....
hey Bthelick great video btw. could you maybe make a video on how to make the like rally house piano sounds Like the piano type thing that happens in Vent, by NOIT Thanks!
Baby keen vent? NOIT bootleg? That mix?
@@Bthelick yes exactly
@@hesselagergaming1823 well its barely a piano haha.
its a sample, of possibly a synth, or very cheap piano, or very old recording of a piano, or guitar, or layer. playing an minor add 9 chord.
played as 'static harmony' exactly as I describe in chord samples video.
best way to recreate that is take the worst piano you can find and resample it as a whole piano from 1 note (like old romplers /samplers had to do with tiny memory) , then crunch it up by playing it with a low bass through bad converters, tape and vinyl with eq to match that honky mid tone, resample that whole thing and you will probably get close.
I might have already done one for my rave regeneration project I can't remember haha.
maybe I should just do a vid haha. It would be pretty quick
(btw was "rally house" a typo? or is that what you know this sound as?)
@@Bthelick thanks for explaining i wasnt a typo. I searched for i vid/totorial for that sound and a playlist came up with a bunch of similar sounding songs called. 90s Rally house i think
Weird. It wasn't a scene I was ever aware of.
The only thing I can find about it seems to be the tracks composers for rally / racing games were making that mimicked 90s rave
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@Bthelick thanks so much for your instructional content! I hope your friend gets the rest of the funds for the surgery!
I have a request! There is a bass sound I can't seem to replicate despite the tremendous amount of wisdom I have gained in part from your content! It is "Jeff Sorkowitz - Hella Thick (Original Mix)". I would very much appreciate if you took a look at this song and shared your thoughts! Cheers! 😄
Sounds like "lately bass" from a TX81Z
Vocal remover is cool site to detect samples, even though its to separate vocal from the track. It detects loops perefctly.
Vocal remover .org that one?
@@Bthelick yess that one
Ah right yeah, I certainly wouldn't call it perfect. I use it for separating acapellas all the time, but the key detection doesn't appear to be using anything more sophisticated than other key software. It's got plenty wrong when I've looked at it.
The thing with key detection is it's not just about identifying notes, because lots of keys share notes. There is some human intuition as to the feel of where the home chord is and that can also be implied, Not just measured. No software I have found is doing a great job in non-obvious cases.
For example any tracks with long heavy kick drums Will still confuse it.
Does using a tuner on vocals make sense to know the key then?
It will tell you the notes, but unless you know your scales and have experience listening for 'home' notes it's not going to tell you the key. Also, typically vocal melodies move fast, and not 'digitally' between pitches like most instruments so the readings will be all over the place.
Bass is easier for determining the key, because it will typically be playing the root note, tends to move less, and thus is easier to tell where the 'home' or '1' might be.
you're better off with key detection software (like zplane tonic) for key detecting, not tuners.
I use the tuner here to find where we can which part of the bass sample is playing the home note.
@@Bthelick Thank u
Also realise, that for every major key, there is a minor 6 degrees down, so anything in that 6th degree will also be in key.
So if you have a sample in C major, it will be in key with a sample in A minor, because A minor is C majors 6th degree.
And C major is the 3rd degree of A minor.
really there are no minor scales, its an illusion. whenever you see something say it is in a minor scale, its just the 6th degree of its relative major scale.
All samples are in major keys, some are just listed in the 6th degree of there relative major.
well that's one of looking at it, certainly mathematically possible to prove. emotionally though , there is absolutely a minor 'place' (and other modes) when centred as such. And music is emotional, not mathematical as much as Pythagoras tried haha
It's "not more common than you might think", i have to deal with this all the time
Ignore the foundations of music theory at ones peril, the foundations are there for a reason, once learned first, then one will arrive at the opportunities to bend them...
So... it means that we can't trust a sample key from a sample pack? Because the notes may not have the root note actually playing?
Correct yes
can you do another video on the top tech house basses of 2024
yes sure. Any favourite artists you'd like to see?
I try to stay away from samples, besides vocals and drums , i like writing my own chords ,leads, baseline etc ,this video is really good info! Thanks for the videos!
Just use a bridge or a middle eight perhaps?🤔 🤘😁👍
a warm of bees 🤣🤣
You meant -3 and +4 @17:33
Ah no it's. +3 for minor +4 for major isn't it. Thanks for pointing that out, I've pinned the correction cheers 🙏👊
And why are they labeling the samples like that
Well it's easy for me because I have decades of ear training. Anyone without that including machines can have a very hard time figuring out keys etc.
What do you think of SUNO AI?
I think that's not composing, it's generating
The world is getting boring
Suno is great.
Well it's great at creating the type of mass produced pop that the music industry used to churn out. So I'm sure the major labels will be happy, as they take so many steps to not pay their artists already.
It's a good indicator to what the future of pop music might look like.
Just like other industries, if your job can be written down in steps , a robot will always be cheaper to hire than a human to do that job.
So those artists only capable of 'tick box' music won't have a career soon. You could argue this has already been happening for a couple of decades .
Being original, nurturing trust, maintaining an identity and mastering how to emotionally connect with others is going to become more valuable in art moving forward
I'm all for that future.
notes are for normies - cool guys make music in voltage only bro