Lotta good info here thanks. I intended to start airsoft teching this year but things put it on hold. Love your channel to get ideas of good vs bad. I know it's a lot of subjection but with so many manufacturers it's expensive to be very wrong. And annoying to be good but not great.
I can totally relate to this. My Gc16 predator had no power and the etu broke after 2 months I bought it in October last year and I just got it Back from repair. Already have a better m4 and an ak so I'll probably upgrade just like in this video. Great video and awesome channel. Keep going👍
I can confirm the same "nope don't wanna work anymore" problem with the G&G mosfet and 30c batteries. I wish I saw this video before I bought four different G&G guns. Now I need to either buy four mosfets or six different batteries to make the things actually pew-pew correctly.
Just got an ETU++. Other than a minor modification (had to make my selector plate longer as it wasn’t engaging the switch on the rear of the trigger board properly) it works like a dream. Plus I love the tension release feature it has built in for if you use precocking. Fairly sure the fitment issue was my fault, put the G&G triggerboard inside of a specna arms core gearbox because I wanted the qd spring guide.
@@ddiakHavoc it puts more stress on the gb but if you build it well then it won't destroy it. All that happens is the components wear faster so you might need to replace stuff more often.
I'm so glad you did this video the amount of people I tell not to trust that mosfet and yet it's still the go to starter , confusing really, cyma are cheaper and the newer ones are amazing :-)
What would you recommend? I want to buy an eag that's good out the box for around £300. Was thinking of getting a wild hog but after seeing this I'm having second thoughts.
Cyma have released a "pre upgraded " range of m4s that are sick like there nothing wrong with a wild hog but there better for the money all comes down to personal preference but yea the cyma is pritty sick , negative has done a video on the cyma ones if you have a look and they come in different lengths so you can really pick and choose but all are under 300 so if you did want to add some upgrades you can :-)
Wow perfect timing. Have a G&G on my desk right now. Budget for the repair is low though so no room for a new piston otherwise I'd totally SS. For the record, its an ARP 9 with a terribly installed titan--wires chewed up by motor, terrible shimming (I think whoever installed the titan lost some shims), shattered piston head, and completely eaten out brass bushings.
I have been running my SRS with the stock ETU for 4 years and its still working great. I always run in on 15c 1000mah 11.1 lipo. It being fussy about batterys isn't a problem if you buy the right batterys. I think these gun are great value for money at about £200. Your only paying a bit more that a really cheap gun and getting loads improvements. Are you saying that extra 100mm of barrel is giving better accuracy? Because you definitely don't need it for power. My 200mm barrel was shooting at above UK site limits when I got it 360fps on a .2.
Do you find every one of them has that issue with the mosfet? I only ask as I have a wildhog, I fitted 13:1 gears and a higher torque but balanced motor and it works excellently using a nanotech 11.1 1200mah 25c lipo. Or are they shit in general but some cope better than others? I'd heard that they shit themselves quite often so was looking at the perun if that happens but she's a fucking gem as it stands. Would like precocking though...
Just recently got a Warthog 12", sounds crap, just like that wildhog, all twangy. Was it just the re shim that fixed it or would i need to short stroke it and replace piston too? Thanks.
yo, my local tech refused to open my APS gearbox, says he's had nothing but trouble with em. just wondering what you thought of APS. dont see a lot of those here.
Set myself a budget of £300 for my first airsoft gun and was thinking of getting a wild hog But after watching this video and seeing the work it needs to be good it's putting me off. Any EAGs you'd recommend within this price range that are reliable out the box?
TBF he's exaggerating quite a lot here. G&G guns (CM16 & GC16 series) are really good out of the box. You might want to change out the hop up bucking and the tensioner, which shouldn't be more than 20 € and you are good to go. Just be careful which lipo batteries you buy, but most shops even list fitting batteries so yeah. The gun is quite loud but from I understand this is supposed to be that way. There is no reason to shim the gears out of the box either, just watch some reviews of these guns and you will see you get a really decent gun for a good price. If you're still put off maybe look into the Ares Amoeba AM-series, they are decent as well for around the same price.
I must’ve got a good one then because my wild hog was firing on .25 for ~325 fps, I’ve already changed the barrel and hop up and am changing the complete internals of the gearbox and the piston and spring cos the horrible twang is doing my head in
@@dainiusvysniauskas2049 im swapping it for a guarder M100 since they shoot around 360 give or take, i can always trim the spring if it comes to it because apparently thats what may be making the twang noise since it could be a naff spring didnt know m130 springs were put into some of the short barrels ill have to have a look at that
I would recommend a Specna Arms. A core series because I dislike the Orion Gearbox in the edge series. As for upgrades: Maple leaf bucking and nub. Zci inner barrel. Gate Warfet or Perun V2 optical mosfet. Radius the Gearbox. Shs piston and piston head. Either shortstroke the stock gears or get 16:1 gears, a high torque or high speed motor (shs for high speed, zci for high torque) and maybe shortsttoke those as well.
About ETU this is kind a lotery , new ones can handle 25 c but they are visualy the same . Got one myself and I totaly agree with all the fuckups you mensioned. My question to you is do you think this pistol grip messes out pinion to bevel angle ? It is still quite loud after shiming. BTW great video mate , realy helps me out.
Sry for the late response but i think this was the 7“. I got the 13.5“ a while ago and in my opinion it was pretty good for average use. I think when you are using it more frequently you might upgrade some parts
Love your videos! I really think G&G are about getting people nice looking externals. That's just my fucking thought though. Curious, would the G&G ETU trigger and cut-off switch board interact with a WARFET1.1? I have a 1st version KWA Ronin with WARFET1.1 and am thinking of trying the mod, knowing that I'll most likely have to shave inside the gearbox.
1:30 Your claim about the C rating for the gun is just untrue. A battery that has a higher C rating is never a bad thing. It would not cause the gun to stop shooting. This is because the way electrical current works in this application. The mosfet will pull the required amount of current needed, so if the battery can not provide enough current the gun will not function properly. So in this case I believe you have a damaged/defective battery.
@Negative Airsoft Love your vids, still have wet dreams about your collection. I'm buying out a collectors stash this weekend, would love to get in contact and have you take a look if any of it could be interesting for you. Also found a used S&T AR57 for sale (for £244), never seen one before, but if you're interested i'd be happy to mediate the sale. Cheers from Denmark
Let me get this straight.. You buyed the shortest Version of the gc wild hog and complain about the inner Barrel lengh? Why did you not buy the 12 or 13.5 Version?
Get G&G they sad, its is good, they said. A guess what happened, poor fps out of the box. OK, maybe just need a bit stonger spring fix airseal. New M120 spring, all new compression, should be around 450 fps now. Still under 300 fps. Ended up with 22 mm nozzle when fps was right, but it also fcked up feeding. So bye bye I said, got the EVO. If this fails me, I swear Im quiting airsoft :D and seeling all my stuff for prices I told my gf
I will legit pay you if you can answer this for me: a Cyma cm076e TM style v3 gearbox. After slapping in 13:1 gears, a 22tpa high torque motor and a warfet, the cutoff lever pushes the trigger trolley upwards, out of it's "rails", after a few shots in semi, causing the trigger to not return to it's default position. If i push the trigger forwards, it clicks back into place and i can fire a couple of shots until the same happens. How do I fix this? Everything else works beautifully, the trigger response is great. I can't find anything on forums or reddit related to this and nobody responds to my posts there so I thought "those cunts seem to think they know it all" ;D
Airsoft Gordon Ramsay vibes. Immediately subscribed
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Love your vids keep doing what your doing
@@NILCGM Watching 'sleepaway camp' currently
@@NegativeAirsoftTech i can't get enough of you negative 👑
@@NegativeAirsoftTech My all time favorite horror movie series - great choice!
I had no idea about the c rating on the etus
that buzz sound i found on my gun warthog was the charging handle spring, added a little grease and fixed it.
WE CARE A LOT.
Good choice.
One of the best intros to date, love the vids M8
I bought a brand new arp9 and had the exact issues with the mosfet. Unplugged it and plugged in a perun replacement and was WAY better.
Lotta good info here thanks. I intended to start airsoft teching this year but things put it on hold. Love your channel to get ideas of good vs bad. I know it's a lot of subjection but with so many manufacturers it's expensive to be very wrong. And annoying to be good but not great.
I can totally relate to this. My Gc16 predator had no power and the etu broke after 2 months I bought it in October last year and I just got it Back from repair. Already have a better m4 and an ak so I'll probably upgrade just like in this video. Great video and awesome channel.
Keep going👍
My god negative, you absolute god. I was just thinking about the song a couple hours ago and now its here.
I can confirm the same "nope don't wanna work anymore" problem with the G&G mosfet and 30c batteries. I wish I saw this video before I bought four different G&G guns. Now I need to either buy four mosfets or six different batteries to make the things actually pew-pew correctly.
This is the video I've been looking for for 2 years
+ I'm thinking of sending you my gun just to have a look over and clean it up.
THANK YOUUU, i was about to buy this gun but i didnt know what to do next
Just got an ETU++. Other than a minor modification (had to make my selector plate longer as it wasn’t engaging the switch on the rear of the trigger board properly) it works like a dream. Plus I love the tension release feature it has built in for if you use precocking. Fairly sure the fitment issue was my fault, put the G&G triggerboard inside of a specna arms core gearbox because I wanted the qd spring guide.
doesn't precocking destroy your gearbox?
@@ddiakHavoc it puts more stress on the gb but if you build it well then it won't destroy it. All that happens is the components wear faster so you might need to replace stuff more often.
I'm so glad you did this video the amount of people I tell not to trust that mosfet and yet it's still the go to starter , confusing really, cyma are cheaper and the newer ones are amazing :-)
What would you recommend? I want to buy an eag that's good out the box for around £300. Was thinking of getting a wild hog but after seeing this I'm having second thoughts.
Cyma have released a "pre upgraded " range of m4s that are sick like there nothing wrong with a wild hog but there better for the money all comes down to personal preference but yea the cyma is pritty sick , negative has done a video on the cyma ones if you have a look and they come in different lengths so you can really pick and choose but all are under 300 so if you did want to add some upgrades you can :-)
Wow perfect timing. Have a G&G on my desk right now. Budget for the repair is low though so no room for a new piston otherwise I'd totally SS. For the record, its an ARP 9 with a terribly installed titan--wires chewed up by motor, terrible shimming (I think whoever installed the titan lost some shims), shattered piston head, and completely eaten out brass bushings.
2:58 i'm sorry i havent heard of different cylinder sizes before. How would one fit a cylinder thats a different size? does it depend on the gearbox?
Its time for a G&G rant.
Oh I do love a bit of FNM!
hmmm never had problems with the ETU+mosfets and the LiPo as you had... but it is good to know that you recommend the Perun Mosfet :D
Since I want to buy an sr 16 (urx 3.1 rail), did you ever put your hands on an evolution airsoft gun? If not are there any good sr16 in the market?
what supressor did you use dude it recessed nicely into that rail.
Nice video bro. Send us more.
love your vids! keep up the good work! (my gun is in 0%ptfe club)
I have been running my SRS with the stock ETU for 4 years and its still working great. I always run in on 15c 1000mah 11.1 lipo. It being fussy about batterys isn't a problem if you buy the right batterys. I think these gun are great value for money at about £200. Your only paying a bit more that a really cheap gun and getting loads improvements. Are you saying that extra 100mm of barrel is giving better accuracy? Because you definitely don't need it for power. My 200mm barrel was shooting at above UK site limits when I got it 360fps on a .2.
What do you suppose I should upgrade in my m4? Specifically The Adaptive Armament Spectre m4
Hi Luke, what do you think about putting a warfet instead of a perun
just got one cheaper il be doing all this what a guy.What a video subbed
Can we get some links for some of these upgrade parts?
Is the Guarder hop rubber good?
Desperately trying to find out what size suppressor/tracer to put onto this gun. What are you running for this video??
What barrel brand would you recommend?
What gear ratio you would suggest for this gun? And is its enough with shimming to make a good sound or i need to change smth else? Thank you!
Will 16c battery play nice with the mosfet?
does it have quick spring release?
Superb 👍
Your hog has a silencer mine has one of those loudener things. I also have the 12” barrel
they are called amplifiers or just "amps"
Hey man one question for you so the how do you get the gears off the rod that goes through the gearbox for the ambi selector on the wild hog?
It's shaped like a "D" the right side of the gear box (if you were looking down sight) side gear can be pulled off. Just needs a little force
This is pretty much exactly the same as what I'm after.
What's the cost to do all these mods?
What do you think of the daytona guns?
Do you find every one of them has that issue with the mosfet? I only ask as I have a wildhog, I fitted 13:1 gears and a higher torque but balanced motor and it works excellently using a nanotech 11.1 1200mah 25c lipo. Or are they shit in general but some cope better than others? I'd heard that they shit themselves quite often so was looking at the perun if that happens but she's a fucking gem as it stands. Would like precocking though...
I have no idea what I'm doing taking my gun apart like that would you supply and fit to mine?
"Good Afternoon Fuckers" lol i blurted out laughing at work
With these videos I feel like I've entered the deep web of airsoft... But I fucking love it.
how do you take the stock off
Whats your recommended gun?
Hello Negative could you show how to exactly stroke a gears and a piston by 2 teeth
Just recently got a Warthog 12", sounds crap, just like that wildhog, all twangy. Was it just the re shim that fixed it or would i need to short stroke it and replace piston too? Thanks.
What gram BB did you use to get this FPS?
Why did you short stroke?
What suppressor is that?
Think its the stock one from g&g
what variant of G&G Wild hog is this? 9" or 7"?
How much were these upgrade and labour?
Where did you get that perun etu++ from? Directly from Perun? They are not available yet right?
Available soon
@@NegativeAirsoftTech awesome!
can you please leave a link to the products.
cheers
yo, my local tech refused to open my APS gearbox, says he's had nothing but trouble with em. just wondering what you thought of APS. dont see a lot of those here.
Yeah, I don't like touching them either
Why are they not such a great gun? I’m interested in buying one so wondering what’s so bad about them?
What about the air nozzle? G&G uses simple plastic ones with no O-Ring...
hey negative, what do you use to record?
cheers.
Cards?
Johnny Dong Wow no shit
What kind of motor does it come with stock
As a noob to the sport... Can I ask what is a better gun?
I was looking at this GC16 but a few reviews have put me off
This is a cm16 the gc16 version is much better
@@SKYYY2222 I ended up getting a kwa ronin T6 in the end.
That and 2 gbb pistols
Set myself a budget of £300 for my first airsoft gun and was thinking of getting a wild hog But after watching this video and seeing the work it needs to be good it's putting me off. Any EAGs you'd recommend within this price range that are reliable out the box?
TBF he's exaggerating quite a lot here. G&G guns (CM16 & GC16 series) are really good out of the box. You might want to change out the hop up bucking and the tensioner, which shouldn't be more than 20 € and you are good to go. Just be careful which lipo batteries you buy, but most shops even list fitting batteries so yeah. The gun is quite loud but from I understand this is supposed to be that way. There is no reason to shim the gears out of the box either, just watch some reviews of these guns and you will see you get a really decent gun for a good price.
If you're still put off maybe look into the Ares Amoeba AM-series, they are decent as well for around the same price.
@@JonathanWCSGO thanks for the advice friend 🙏
I must’ve got a good one then because my wild hog was firing on .25 for ~325 fps, I’ve already changed the barrel and hop up and am changing the complete internals of the gearbox and the piston and spring cos the horrible twang is doing my head in
It might have had M130 spring, something G&G does with their short barrel AEGs.
@@dainiusvysniauskas2049 im swapping it for a guarder M100 since they shoot around 360 give or take, i can always trim the spring if it comes to it because apparently thats what may be making the twang noise since it could be a naff spring
didnt know m130 springs were put into some of the short barrels ill have to have a look at that
What would you recommend for a 1st gun? Happy to do some mods straight off the bat
@Johnny Dong Noooo...
They have crappy QC, strange gearbox shells and horrible motor/gearbox alignment.
@@southmoreconlin3757 Lancers are garbage, including Gen 2.
I would recommend a Specna Arms. A core series because I dislike the Orion Gearbox in the edge series.
As for upgrades:
Maple leaf bucking and nub.
Zci inner barrel.
Gate Warfet or Perun V2 optical mosfet.
Radius the Gearbox.
Shs piston and piston head.
Either shortstroke the stock gears or get 16:1 gears, a high torque or high speed motor (shs for high speed, zci for high torque) and maybe shortsttoke those as well.
@@dainiusvysniauskas2049 I can't speak for their other guns, but I'm loving my LT34 so far.
Do u think that 500 € are worth for a DSG ?
This do my thinking on wheeler dealer 😅
Funny my bamf is having similar problems with the mosfet aswell
I can’t find the right short strokes for mine
Solder the AB mosfet off the board and it sound alot better !!! done that 3 times
About ETU this is kind a lotery , new ones can handle 25 c but they are visualy the same . Got one myself and I totaly agree with all the fuckups you mensioned.
My question to you is do you think this pistol grip messes out pinion to bevel angle ?
It is still quite loud after shiming.
BTW great video mate , realy helps me out.
Yeah, these pistol grips suck
Just a quick comment on the Mosfet there. I have a GC-16 Predator. Same ETU and Mosfet and I'm running an 1800mAh 11.1 30c battery...just saying...xD
iv just got a wild hog 12" but stuck on the best 11.1v to get
How is the Perun ETU++?
When Q&A?
Was this the 9”or 12”model? Just ordered the 12” for my first gun hopefully it’s not complete shit
just be better
Sry for the late response but i think this was the 7“. I got the 13.5“ a while ago and in my opinion it was pretty good for average use. I think when you are using it more frequently you might upgrade some parts
"good afternoon fuckers!" that made me laugh HAHA
So what exactly got rid of that springy sound
@Chill ChilleX thanks bro and other ideas?
Love your videos! I really think G&G are about getting people nice looking externals. That's just my fucking thought though.
Curious, would the G&G ETU trigger and cut-off switch board interact with a WARFET1.1?
I have a 1st version KWA Ronin with WARFET1.1 and am thinking of trying the mod, knowing that I'll most likely have to shave inside the gearbox.
Fuck yes was just looking at buying one of those
What barrel did you use?
Yes
This guy is the Gordon Ramsay of airsoft
1:30 Your claim about the C rating for the gun is just untrue. A battery that has a higher C rating is never a bad thing. It would not cause the gun to stop shooting. This is because the way electrical current works in this application. The mosfet will pull the required amount of current needed, so if the battery can not provide enough current the gun will not function properly. So in this case I believe you have a damaged/defective battery.
so you say that a well quality 11.1 30c battery will work perfectly?
what's the name of that silencer?
i run my sr 16 with the same mosfet with a 40c 11.1. hasn't died yet
How come you prefer to use plastic pistons? cheap or?
If they break, they don't kill the rest of yor gearbox.
@@NegativeAirsoftTech thats great thinking
How did you take the amplifier off of the gun?
I think it's on a 14mm CCW
There’s a little screw on the bottom of the amp where the thread is. Just unscrew that using an Allen key, then it’s a CCW thread
How to remove stock
How can i take out the butt stock?
what barrel was used? Please
Three years ago
My friends arp9 did that noise and it made me dry heave
@Negative Airsoft Love your vids, still have wet dreams about your collection.
I'm buying out a collectors stash this weekend, would love to get in contact and have you take a look if any of it could be interesting for you.
Also found a used S&T AR57 for sale (for £244), never seen one before, but if you're interested i'd be happy to mediate the sale.
Cheers from Denmark
What would you do to a cyma ak to get it to top performance? And how much would you charge for upgrading it and a paint job?
@Johnny Dong No.
We care a lot......do you? Ahhh bollocks 😀 cool vid Luke
Why not just upgrade the etu to the Perun one for G&G or is that too easy and cheaper 🤔
Um... that's what I did?
Sorry my mistake, should have gone to spec savers 👍
It looks like my tippmann
@Negative Airsoft will you take work from Canada?
Ask zimming wang out of toronto he does some of the best tech work around i think he works out of black blitz airsoft
2:19 ... that's what she said.
Let me get this straight.. You buyed the shortest Version of the gc wild hog and complain about the inner Barrel lengh? Why did you not buy the 12 or 13.5 Version?
Get G&G they sad, its is good, they said. A guess what happened, poor fps out of the box. OK, maybe just need a bit stonger spring fix airseal. New M120 spring, all new compression, should be around 450 fps now. Still under 300 fps. Ended up with 22 mm nozzle when fps was right, but it also fcked up feeding. So bye bye I said, got the EVO. If this fails me, I swear Im quiting airsoft :D and seeling all my stuff for prices I told my gf
Can you tell me a good gun then because you can only tell me the bad ones
I will legit pay you if you can answer this for me:
a Cyma cm076e TM style v3 gearbox.
After slapping in 13:1 gears, a 22tpa high torque motor and a warfet, the cutoff lever pushes the trigger trolley upwards, out of it's "rails", after a few shots in semi, causing the trigger to not return to it's default position. If i push the trigger forwards, it clicks back into place and i can fire a couple of shots until the same happens.
How do I fix this? Everything else works beautifully, the trigger response is great.
I can't find anything on forums or reddit related to this and nobody responds to my posts there so I thought "those cunts seem to think they know it all" ;D
Team negative,,,fuck yeahhhhhhh