The Apple monitor that DOESN'T EXIST?! (2e or not 2e, that is the connectionâŠ)
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- Äas pĆidĂĄn 30. 04. 2021
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Update 5/5/21: Donât read until youâve watched the video! SpoilersâŠ
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The right monitor has been found in an ad from the shop my dad bought it from! It was (drumroll please)âŠ
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Phoenix P12. Which is _identical_ to the Prince monitor I suspected and showed in this video. Phoenix was the UK name for the Italian brand! Follow up video will come soon. Thanks for watching! đđčïž
Nice Triumph 2500. Was that PI or S? On a second look, it could be TC, rims are definitely from a TC.
@@donnied8127 I really donât remember but we loved it. We got a white 2000 after that!
Just came across a video by David aka the 8-bit guy published 12th May, he was informed by Computer Reset (Old hardware recyclers) that in late March some official apple 2e color monitors were found so it would seem the monitor did in fact exist.
Now all you need is a copy of Petscii Robots for Apple II!
yes :)
Then I can have it on my 2 favourite computers!
yes
I seem to recall 8bit guy saying that putting the monitor on top of the Apple ][ floppy drives was actually not a supported setup. I wonder if the weight issue was a component of why you shouldnât do this.
Haha, of course, Dave! đ
I kinda want a short of just puppyfractic jumping at the water. That's freaking adorable!
Childhood memories are so hard to recall 100% accurately. I still recall certain Commodore 64 games that I played as a child and canât recall the title or find them anywhere. I also recall the graphics looking better.
Good, I'm not alone. 8-)
I pressed Like before I even watched this video. That's what you call confidence.
I actually do exactly that with ALL my subs. That's why I subbed in the first place. :P :)
I like big chassis and I cannot lie , so true !
One final thing, as this is the most I've written in comments at any time, it was lovely to see my name as a new patreon, Andrew Turner, thanks and good luck, looking forward to more Retro Recipes in the future, better than Netflix.
What a wonderful compliment! Thank you for your kind words and support Andrew đđčïž
When I was a kid I would stay in front of the green monitor for so long, that when I finally got up I saw all the world in pink for some minutes đ€Ł
It still happens when you work with greenscreen video for too long, or just after being inside chromakey studio for more than hour = )
A lovely retro nostalgic video. Just what I needed as I am absolutely exhausted from my care duties. Time off isn't practical but a Retro Recipe is always uplifting.
Nice one Perifractic!
Videos like this are what I love about this channel!
Thatâs really heartwarming feedback, thank you sir đđčïž
Thanks for watching! Do you think I got the right one? Or is there one out there thatâs a hybrid of the 2 I shortlisted that has eluded me until now? Comment below & cheerio!
I honestly think the one you found is A. Period Correct and B. If your Dad never bought the Apple II monitor, this is a likely candidate - I like it :)
Back in the days you may be to small to see those knobs on top...
Thereâs tons of them in schools in Australia mate. Make some phone calls.
Over the years i learnt this: if it feels right, don't ask for more!
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Ok I just love this running gag about pretending to trip and fall with a valuable piece of computer hardware, first time I saw was the portable commodore and was horrified. I do hope if it ever happens for real, you will pan the camera and show us the actual damage to our utter horror. It will be great for clicks. Loved this episode.
Hopefully it wonât but yes if it does I will! Then again the Amiga 4000 PSU blowing up on camera was real ÂŻ\_(ă)_/ÂŻ
Triumph 2000, my dad had one the same colour as yours, and I now have a red one..
Congratulations on having bought a replacement monitor which, if not the exact model that you had before, is at least quite reminiscent of it! Good luck on your quest to confirm the exact model you had! I totally understand the nostalgic feeling of wanting an exact thing from your childhood or something that's as close as possible.
I have our exact Commodore 64 and 1701 monitor from my childhood! And I just tested the monitor a few months ago and it still works! My (formerly our) 64 is still buried in the storage unit for now but I plan on getting it out and testing it soon. I have some drives too but our original 1541 was deemed "unrepairable" many years ago. My replacement was good when I got it several recent years ago. I'll test the drives again soon too.
Now we need a second channel, just with you and your dog â€ïž
Back in 2019 I finally found the monitor that I used with my C64 back in 1983/1984 which was a Sears SR 2000 Series color monitor. I still own my original C64, so it brought back a lot many memories when I put the two back together, so I fully understand the awesome feeling of finding your childhood monitor.
* Or... one that's very reminiscent of it, anyway.
Wow, that episode gave me the biggest blast of nostalgia I think I've ever experienced. Loved the old photos too, took me right back to that happy place!
That is a VERY cool monitor, and I can imagine the chills of rebuilding your childhood computer setup. I know how I'd feel if I rebuilt my old Atari 800 setup again.
Love that Bob Ross impersonation at 2:10!
I am so glad you found this monitor, I can imagine the feelings you are having! I have been on a similar quest for years, trying to find one of the first arcade cabinets I ever played on back in the mid to late 70s. It was the first video game I had ever played and remember it well, but just cannot seem to find out what it was.
I used to work in a computer store in Champaign, IL. We used to sell your "perspex" display covers to add to the front of various monitor, especially for white text displays. Sold a lot of them.
Nice! I always love your triumphant happy ending music coupled with the cheers - makes me want to punch the air! Sidenote - it is funny how obsessed we become over hazy memories of often third party accessories - I'd love to find the cassette deck I used to load my ZX games for instance, plus the 14in TV I used as a monitor. Identifying them from memory can be tricky!
I have no idea what tape player I used for my Spectrum, but I only had access to a Bush Ranger 2 B&W portable. Got no idea why that's stuck in my memory.....
I'll be monitor-ing this story for further information đ
It would work even without the excess hyphen, hehe. Nice pun though.
Cool, a Triumph MkII 2000. My dad had one of those too.
Bingo!
Very cool to see you reconstruct that old setup! đ
I like the bit @11:40 when that pleasingly simple fix seems to have been no more than a cruel trick, then you get the amusing good news. No doubt there is a line somewhere in the original manual not to place anything on top of the drives!
I really enjoyed this recipode, I sometimes get my original hardware out and code something up - enormous satisfaction. It was playing around with my old Dragon 32 that lead to a career in programming that has lasted over 3 decades. I won't give my age away but I'm 50+ and I'm still coding every single day I'm at work. Really do look forward to your content each week. Chickenlips 64 - how dare you :-)
Granny's Garden FTW! I'd forgotten all about that game when it came up in that montage!
I'm so glad you found this monitor for your Apple ][e setup. It's a wonderful feeling isn't it, when you find something from your past that you thought had been lost forever? That's why I started collecting all the old computers I had back in the 80s, and other things from my youth too. Just this week I thought about trying to get my first ever stereo 'boombox' again, which I had as a 16 year old in 1982. I couldn't remember the model number, or even what it looked like exactly, I just knew it was a Hitachi something or other! After much searching of images on the interweb I finally came across it, and as soon as I saw it I knew it was the one! I just have to keep an eye on eBay now for when one comes up for sale. Love your channel and all involved, keep up the great work. Best wishes from Portsmouth in the UK :-)
Cheers Chris! My nephew went to Uni in Portsmouth so I've visited a few times. Lovely place.
I have a similar story about the disk drive I had on my c64.
I was never able to recreate my original setting from back in the times.
I only knew that mine was much smaller than a 1541 and that it had a metal case.
About two years ago I found some very similar drive at a retro flea market.
It was an oceanic drive. I still don't know the exact model but now my retro setup is a little more of my own đ
Always love watching your videos on Sunday mornings. Thx for the joy you bring us.
It is one thing to look for something online, it is something else to actually have it in hand.
Great story and i can tell you put a lot of work and love and production into your videos. Wonderful.
Thank you for your kind words! Means a lot đđčïž
The nostalgia is strong in this one and don't mean the video but the guy. đ
Great computer, great video, thanks for sharing with us đ
Beautiful system. The 80 columns look fantastic.
Excellent stuff as always - thank you!
Glad you enjoyed it!
13:50 Ladyfractic asks: "Umm... do you need me to leave the room for a while..." :-D
Another great video, although rather the noise of reseting the circuit board was rather disturbing.
That Triumph brings back memories. My dad had one and it was the first car I ever drove, aged 13. I haven't seen one since I moved to the US in 1979.
Me too! Triumph 2000.
Memories mate! Miss my setup like this! đ
Those desks were used in schools.
I remember working in at least two schools that had them.
Obviously used with the BBC micros and later the Acorn Archimedes computers.
Haha, I love your little dog side-bits!
That monitor looks really nice on there.
I really love the way you color the lighting in there now!
Thanks for noticing!!
@@RetroRecipes: "Noticing," LOL! It's a blast in the face! How can we not notice? Haha! You're welcome! Yes, it is very colorful and thus very pretty; nice job! Thanks for your comment love and likes too!
I use to work at a carrier company once and the guy I worked with use to eat those peanuts (packing material) and loved them. Apparently eatable. :)
Yeah that thing looks right at home! Enjoy!
I need that Astro Wars machine back in my life.
I'm glad you found a monitor that matches the one you remember. I could tell when you placed it on top of the Apple that it really clicked in place for you.
Well, I reckon youâve found why people recommend stacking the drives on the side!
But that monitor looks brilliant. Nice work!
Cute doggo, indeed. Great documentary of your life... ...
We had an old B&W tv, and it had an anti glare shield on it made out of plastic. We got it from an computer shop going out of business. It might have also had inputs for RGB.
Certainly takes me back, I had an Amstrad CPC 464 with a green screen monitor. It even had one of the funny 3" disk drives they used. My dad managed convince work to buy it, and of course I loved it for gaming, even though it was all green! I think they were meant to be better for office applications, word processors etc.. Not that CP/M got much of a look in, but we had that on disk along with some early work apps.
The first computer I had access to was a green screen Apple 2+ (my Mom brought it home on weekends from the school she taught at). Thanks for the nostalgia of the glorious green screen (Blitzkrieg was one of my favorites)!
monitor reminds me of set styles for some of those early British sci-fi shows, like UFO, starring Ed Bishop
OMG "I watered your rug in the living room" lol lol that made me choke on my coffee when I read it!! Love all your Video!!!! P.S. my favorite one's are the Amiga one's and my Most favorite's are the Commodore 64 one's (Can you tell what I had growing up? lol)
What a nice video!
My doggie doesn't really jump that much, he's a little bugger and every time he jumps that high he messes up the landing :P
I guess your monitor is right, and I like how you're trying to recreate exactly what you've got, while most of my setup building is getting, and showing my girlfriend, the stuff I wanted as I a kid and my parents, well, provided in a way that anticipated the meme "Mom I want X / We got X at home / The X at Home: "
The Perspex reminded me of that: my very first computer was a C64C, stuck on a small office desk, small size, no more bigger than a school desk, with a 1541-II, a CM80 Philips Green Monitor and a Datassette.
Of course, I would have preferred a 1702, but I couldn't complain, parents do what they can and what's best with stuff they have, so I just "requisitioned" and old Philetta Royale from the storage room (it was big as my torso, as I was a kid, I almost toppled like you in the skit twice) and fitted a mechanically mounted/no solder connector to an analog RF antenna cable to play games better.
But my father was an accountant, at first he worked from home too, then he moved in a small office across the road, then in another slightly bigger across the other road (that later became my office, when I started freelancing as a lawyer, thing that allows me to stay really close to family).
The seller of his main office supplied peddled him Perspex plates to glue over monitors to reduce glare and "shield from radiations". The second one was of course a sales pitch, but he basically glued them on every single monitor we owned.
Every single one. I still have a CRT in a crate in the office with some Perspex glued on that I can't remove without messing with the plastic
So, when I had to rebuilt my setup, and show it to my girlfriend, I just requisitioned the old desk in that office, the bigger one, the one my dad using while working from home with an Olivetti M250 (I now use a larger IKEA desk), got hold of a PVM color monitor, a 1571 clone drive, some action figures and old digital games, a couple I had, others my parents told me to avoid as they were "silly" (well, a Gundam isn't silly :P), a Fastload and everything I wanted back then and now I got.
Even reassembling the Master System II I used to share the Philetta with
Great episode (as always)! I searched for my rare perfect commodore plus/4 monitor for over a year! Found it for 2 EUR at the end. And now i realise, why you like green low-res renders. Childhood memories. I will have to work on a Apple IIe version...
Congrats I'm glad that you got your childhood monitor back you look so happy đđ
Awesome as always guys :)
Loved the render of your childhood set up. I too often dream of the room I had set up in the UK in the early 80s
Spectrum 48K in one corner on a similar trolley to yours, Amstrad CPC thing to the right of it and then a BBCB in the corner - all on matching trolleys! The on the other side a console corner with a Coleco, Atari 2600 and Intellivision rigged up a TV, Vectrex on a table and then to the right of that the mighty Sharp MZ80A. I've still got a couple of them (Atari and Vectrex) but what I would give to walk back in that room!
Sooooo nostalgic!
Great video. But they always are when you take us down memory lane like you did this week. The monitor's looking great on the IIe, and it's so good to see the set balanced back on. I kept fearing one day we'd see the entire thing tilt and watch you and Puppyfrantic slide hard to the right.
One little problem, though.. That 1084. That poor 1084. I'm wondering: Can you say "My bairns... My poor bairns." just like Scotty did?
đđđđđ Always Fun to watch this nostalgic channel
Don't forget that if you swap floppy controller card slots, you have to type a different PR# number to boot a disk from dos. eg. PR#6 if floppy card is in slot #6. Also, when using Locksmith, Copy][Plus, FID, and any other disk related software, you need to enter the new slot number instead of 6.
Oooh! The Triumph 2000 MkII (at 5:35 in this video) was my first car! :D
My Apple II has the same BMC monitor, it was definitely one sold with it. Be careful with the âhandleâ area on top, I had to reinforce mine as the plastic was threatening to break.
Obsoletely fabulous!!!
Love the mid 70s blue Triumph 2000
Oh my gosh!!! I wondered for years what was the model of the B/W TV that I used on my C64 for years, before it stopped working. I couldn't remember the model just when... it appeared as the first model of yours "wrong ones"!!!! The one I had was white but, as it was common in the 70s, the popular one was orange, like the one you had in the photo. Thank you as usual Perifractic!
Glad you found your monitor!đ
Thanks for your help along the way!!
@@RetroRecipes no worries bud
In the arcade version of Frogger there is a dog that eats the frog on the third level. If you are too close to the edge on the third level the dog will come along and eat you.
Consider the Taxan monitors - they could have optional plastic/glass antiglare filter.
Way to go, Dude! Hopefully you can find one of those mobile cart desks that used to be so popular in the 80's and 90's. I am betting you could make one. My Amiga 1200 was setup on one similar all those years ago because when I got married, our first apartment was small and it helped to be able to move it around.
That was a fun trip.
I have 2 similar sort of memories, I had a Grundig portable TV in my room for my C64, 1984, but no pictures, I wasnât a camera person I suppose.
But the one Iâd love to figure out is my Dad brought home (very out of the blue) one of those TV game machines, the Pong clone types, it wasnât Grandstand, but very like it.
My memory just isnât clear enough to figure out which one it was. Iâd really love to remember.
Mind you, I do remember my first handheld system, the Galaxy Invader 1000 ! Also from 80 or 81.
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Well that put a big smile on my face as it's always great to see old tech in all it's glory. I did laugh at the monitor being to heavy and your 100% right that is a nice monitor. Great video as always guys even with them dad jokes haha đ keep up the super work and roll on the next video, oh and who knew Puppyfractic was so good at water dancing. Take care đ
It looks good, itâs made you happy so does it matter if it still could be the wrong one. Is it at least lighter so it doesnât squash the disk drives? Great repisodeđđ»
Oh my god, i had a b/w monochrome monitor from philips 1:39 with the same case. It was used, it missed the cover for the controls and also the case for the vga connector. I bought it with an used 386DX-25 and also a "new" 24pin dot-matirx printer for 800DM. The PC had 4,5 MB of Ram, as i bought it, because it used Ram Expansionscards that fit in the ISA Socket. Later i find out that on card was misconfigured and it had 5,5 MB of Ram. The date i bought the computer was tomorrow in the year 1994.
I remember those Klick trolley's. We had one at school that had our BBC Micro B and printer on it
Interesting lyrics to your song.
So cool
I totally get the nostalgia factor -- I have the Apple //c I purchased new in 1984, and it still works. I won't part with it.
I've been working on collecting TRS-80s, which were the first computers I learned to program on, back in middle school. The look of them has to be correct, with the original Model 1 monitor.
I have a few apples, they came with 4 types.
1: An orange monochrome boxy clone monitor. Still had mine but gave it to a school to use for monitoring a security camera.
2: The legit green monochrome: upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2b/Apple_Monitor_II.png
3: The legit colour: upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/63/AppleColor_Composite_Monitor_IIe.png
4: The legit colour with a tinted screen protector integrated in front of the glass (cant find a pic)
May well be you had the tinted one, but never turned the colour option on so it looked monocrome.
The Prince monitors should be purple phosphor...
I remember a monitor like this from a bbc micro (i think). The computer I first played frogger on it at school. (I typed this just before the end of the video when you mentioned frogger). .if I ever see that frog again I have words for it that an adult should only know. stupid frog. :P On a side note; You brought memories back of those really long English cast iron Victorian ornate radiators. I remember the computer being next to it and it being the warmest place in the class.
Thanks. The BBC usually came with a CUB monitor which was similar but didn't have the front perspex.
A long time ago, a school I was attending in the UK was given a load of old Apple IIe computers and accessories by another school. The Prince M12-10-00 monitor was included. I remember the carrying handle, the perspex screen and it had a BNC video input. I think the guy who runs the Centre for Computing History also does film prop work, so you may have found two pages about the exact same monitor. Also, I think Nostalgia Nerd picked up an original Klick computer trolley a while back. By the way, there is a "two tier computer trolley" on sale recently, which is quite similar.
Yes, Jason runs TV Film Props and the Centre for Computing History. He kitted out the office in the IT Crowd. It is the exact same monitor.
I have also been looking for some time, for that metal stand, because I wanted to recreate BBC Microcomputer setup I used as a kid at First School in 80s, except I never knew what it was called, although I did see one at place I worked at a Charity shop, but they wouldnât let me buy it off them, also remember walking into room and my Sister was watching a soap on TV that actually had it as a prop in the background, also as I love Amateur Radio be useful to put radio equipment on.
I found a stand like that on fleaBay recently!
9:00 Is that "Hide The Pain Harold" in his younger years? lol
I always wanted a CUB monitor but spent years with a B/W portable telly instead! Used a wheel on the front to tune it in.. Good luck with the search, unfortunately I have neither monitor you've searched for, but do have good memories of the trolley table you described
Really donât know why, but CUB monitors looked so cool :-) I had a 14â Nikkai (I think) portable TV, along with a set top aerial my dad propped up on an old wire coat hanger in the corner near the ceiling to try and get a better signal, and a long garden cane on hooks beside my bed as a âremote controlâ
I got an Apple ][ system second hand with an Apple Monitor ///, which is green with long persistence pixels. It actually made a pretty cool Amiga monitor because it almost entirely eliminates interlace flicker. And it's significantly sharper than a 1084.
I have two of them they came with the tilt option.
Can I see?!
@@RetroRecipes like these?
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Come for the retro computers, stay for puppy factic
Have you ever checked out Adrian's digital basement? It's a gold mine of apple tech info.I loved that water dance from Puppyfractic.................
Cool I am planning a whole Retro Computer Room for my Classic Computer Collection.
Great film đ„ yet again... That monitor looks like it belongs there...! Good match. Oh ..when will we see Acorn / BBC micro vids . ?
Glad you like it! BBC video will likely be delayed while I sort out some family matters that need my energies back home
Even if it isn't exactly the same, it is beautiful. Besides, the memory can play tricks and be very unreliable. It looks great and you seem almost happy đđ
Lol almost
Much of my childhood was spent with an Amstrad PC1512 (like the one in the video), however those machines are fairly hard to come by here in the US and they have to come with the monitor because of the proprietary power supply and interface
I got one here! Search out my "Chasing Tigers with the Amstrad PC 1512" video :-)
it very much reminds me monitor made in Poland back in the 80's: Unitra Neptun 156 II
Nice people deserve nice things!
What a nice thing to say!!
Hah! And I just recently recapped my 1084s to give it (hopefully) another 30 years of life ;)