Rumble Fish | Welcome To The Basement
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- Come meet us at the old leather couch for an old fashioned rumble as we take a swing at Francis Ford Coppola’s black Rumble Fish.
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Nothing like finishing a week, putting your feet up and settling in to watch the new WTTB. Lots of love from the UK.
I'm glad that we still get to watch you guys and that you are taking measures to stay safe. Masked or not, you guys make some of the best content out there!
Not only was SE Hinton a woman, she was a teenage girl when she wrote The Outsiders. If I remember right, she was only like 15 or so.
and she cameo'd in each film
I didn't watch this until a couple days later--what a mistake it was to wait! Matt's jokes in the vein of "That's verisimilitude!" are killers every time! :D
I've been watching this show for YEARS. Thank you for keeping it up. Watching a new episode drop always brightens my day.
This one of those eps that's a movie I actually wanted to see so I'm gonna have to come back to this one.
Best show on the web, bless you all
I love the Matt being mischievous music whenever there's a themed episode coming up :)
Craig in appropriate mask size shock! Rumble Fish soundtrack is amazing, listened to it so much over the years. Its the passing of time in musical form, amazing thing.
Love the show, hope you both are doing well. Craig's hair on point
Also Matt, Kumail actually got buff specifically for a Marvel role. I'm sorry :/
Exactly, if he doesn't know about it before taping, I would think to check on it and cut the comment in editing.
Also, it's not like he's the first comedy star to become a superhero.
I for one appreciate a funny action movie. It's not my favorite genre, but if it's got plenty of humor it makes them more watchable for me.
Modo Psycho-Boy, Hay is for horses, glass burrito. This episode was just stacked with gems!
I barely notice the masks anymore. The same thing happened when you were doing the show with Craig inside a laptop. I've watched so many hours of this show that my mind fills in the gaps. Thanks for keeping things going, staying creative, and adapting when others have given up.
That's very nice to hear. I have worried that the masks upstage our whole thing.
That rumble fish poster is gorgeous
That „Coppola movie, couple a’ tatoos” pun was severely underrated
6:50... I'm getting flashbacks of The Agency.
“The Agency?”
Would you ever consider watching a remake of one of the movies you've already watched, like Pride and Prejudice or the Magnificent Seven? I don't know why but I think it would be a lot of fun :)
A while back Matt mentioned that he considered the Denzel Magnificent Seven for an episode but decided against it (can’t quite remember why), but it still seems like a cool idea!
I needed this today. Thank you for always making me smile.
Matt's expression at 11:51 is quite expressive even with a mask on. :D
Matt I'm surprised you hadn't already seen this gem being the Tom Waits fan I assume you are. I'm so glad I got to watch it again with you after all these years. Waits is a stellar actor, I highly recommend Down by Law if you haven't seen that one yet either.
If Craig still hasn't seen Dreamcatcher, that would technically fit the criteria of "something this show needs," fitting the loop-hole so it can be on the show.
I had just watched Band of Brothers for the first time, right before seeing Dreamcatcher, so I went into it with high hopes because of Damian Lewis and Donnie Wahlberg… I don’t think a movie has ever disappointed me as much as that incident. It wasn’t even a “so bad it’s good” experience, it was just plain bad. Which makes it perfect for the Basement, really.
Oh, are you looking for a microgenre to pursue? How about movies with cairn terriers as named characters in them? Because they exist apparently, outside of the most obvious example - The Wizard of Oz (Dog's name being Toto). Someone with too much time on his/her hands has composed a list of 73 movies with real cairn terriers playing roles in movies and getting credit alongside human actors. Very obviously, I am a cairn terrier owner and enthusiast myself! And cinema had something to do with that, which may be my actual point here! Or maybe I just wanted to recommend you to take a closer look at one particular movie on this list - Saturn 3 - with a cairn terrier getting killed for having the audacity to expose a murderous robot somewhere out in space alongside Kirk Douglas, Farrah Fawcett and Harvey Keitel. Dog's name is here Sally. Rest in peace... well... pieces, Sally!
I really like using 'Seen It' as a vehicle to review new releases! I know it puts added pressure on you guys to watch more movies, but it's something I would love to see continue.
I don't think I have EVER read or watched a review of "Rumble Fish" that never once mentioned "The Outsiders."
...and I'm not sure how I feel about that now that I have...
Both great movies✌
Would have liked a bit of more an analysis of this film. One of my favourites, and I think Rourke's character is really interesting,
The dark nighttime scene when Rusty James is following Motorcycle boy is one of my favourite scenes ever
Good to see you guys back.
My mom went to highschool with S.E. Hinton, so that's pretty cool
Rumble Fish. One of my favorite Sevendust songs..
A film from a nation who's work has never been featured on the show? Sounds like you guys need to bust out Uganda's "Who Killed Captain Alex?"
Why are you running?!
WHY are you running!?
18:01 sudden craig ASMR
For a second there, I thought Matt would gift Craig a fish to fight with.
The hardcore punk band Modern Life Is War wrote a song about this movie called "The Motorcycle Boy Reigns."
Excellent band that I'd highly recommend checking out.
I love this film, I have a copy of it here! Had to read the book in highschool then we watched the film
Hey, Mauricio, from the donors here. Have you guys watched Bacurau? It’s the most hyped Brazilian movie from the last few years and it came out just around the time Parasite came out, but it’s been winning a lot of international praise and prizes lately. Also it features Udo Keir and a homage to John Carpenter!
Great ep, guys! I really liked how you seemed to be extra emotive in the segments without the masks, haha. I never realized how much I missed watching your expressions. A note on the pronunciations, there's a youtube (Pronounce Names) that has the Italian/original way of pronouncing both Coppola and Scorsese if you're curious (and they have others like Buscemi on there) but it is important to note Italian-americans pretty much all Americanify their surnames now, to the point where it doesn't matter any more since everyone pronounces it differently. Scorsessy seems to be the way he pronounces his own name -- there's a video of that too out there.
Best movie ever made.
First off. The reason Motorcycle Boy wanted to free the fish, was because he was trying to in the most simple way imaginable, convey how Gang life should be from here on. He believed that if the fish were put in the river and have plenty of space to move around that they'd go their separate ways. Not fighting, just moving around doing their own thing.
The fish that retreat also represent the people in Rusty James life that left him. Smokey and Patty, his mother and Motorcycle Boy. The lone fish in the river that stays moving around, that's him.
Second off, the person at the end is Rusty James. He was told by MB that no matter what happens, he must go to California, make it to the ocean and then go find their mother. Which he does.
Yeah as others said Kumail got buff because he's going to be in Marvel's Eternals.... it was announced a while ago. I assume he's been training in the interim. I think Kumail's comedy is great, but I'm excited to see if he can branch out into an action role... but the Marvel movies lean pretty hard on the comedy so I'm sure it wont be much of a stretch anyway.
Senility doesn't excuse what Judge Hoffman did. Nothing does. It's actually incredible how this isn't exaggerated in the film; that's what happened. If anything, the movie softens it; in real life the treatment of Seale went on for DAYS.
are you implying anybody was trying to excuse it?
Craig: I've come to love socks 🧦
Me too!
I'm glad to hear the recommendation for Soul, I haven't really heard anyone talk about it, the after life premise didn't grab me, and Pixar's been a bit more miss than hit for me in recent years so I haven't bothered to check it out.
Matt! How could you cut right when Craig was about to tell us that catering is the secret to a good movie!? Catering for who? The lighting guys? The key grips? Or should I cater every time I watch a movie for the best experience? Now I'll never know!
Catering on a film set is rather democratic. Catering for all!
I haven't seen this film, but I think the black and white format represents the color blindness of the characters. Motorcycle Boy is literally color blind, but he can see the beauty of the violent rumble fish.
Rusty James is metaphorically color blind to the kind of poetic beauty and deeper meaning which Motorcycle Boy can see so easily. Rusty's eyes are only open to the simpler things in his violent world, like a cop tossing him against a car.
If my analysis is correct, it would have made more sense if Coppola had placed more colorized shots in the movie. For example, maybe when Rusty fights, the blood could've been red or the pool table could've been green or Diane Lane could've been colorized, because sex, violence and playing pool were important to Rusty.
When Motorcycle Boy counsels his brother or saves him, Rusty could've been colorized and when he rode his motorcycle, the bike could've been colorized to emphasize what was important to Motorcycle Boy.
But, what do I know? I'm just spit balling. I haven't ever seen the entire movie. I always changed the channel after a few minutes, because it looked like an interesting movie, that you have to watch from beginning to end.
Not having seen the movie, my thoughts on the color/black-and-white thing is that color is used to represent anger/violence. That's why it goes to color in that one shot when Rusty pounds on the car. That's also why Motorcycle Boy is colorblind, he no longer feels that rage his brother has, and he's trying to get Rusty to see everything else. At the end, Rusty taking the fish to the river is him finally letting go of his anger. Just my 2 cents from what little I saw in the video.
"Of course I believe her.. you know what happened to people who didn't believe Cassandra? The Greeks got 'em"
"The fuck you talkin about? The Greeks?"
5:00 Rumble, fished.
Wait, how many characters named ________ boy has S.E. Hinton wrote?
Okay guys. I recommend 'Harold & Maude' for next Welcome to the Basement.
Like outsiders (and a good deal of Coppola’s later stuff) it’s easy to make fun of but it’s ultimately great art. Also Craig is slowly completing his transformation into Jason Miller
Guillermo A.4 might not see this video!
Koopins!
motorcycle boy!
I was hoping for a final "Zed" to round out the "Zee"s!
Francis Ford Coppola was originally going to produce David Lynch's unmade Ronnie Rocket (post-The Elephant Man). Some of the ideas that may have possibly transfered into this film was certain things would be color over black and white cinematography. But due to the box office failure of One From the Heart, the project stopped.
Motorcycle Boy Motorcycle Boy? Motorcycle Boy.
and yet again i must recommend looking up Captain Kronos: Vampire Hunter (1978), a Hammer Studios production. If you do i would talk about the fact that all of the swordsmen in the story sure their weapons as tool as well as weapons and the swords seem to act as an extension of the person and a representation of their self-image in direct opposition to how their are viewed by the people around them. Kronos with a dangerous and "exotic" katana is a gentleman, while man with the "gentlemanly "fencing sword is a brute and criminal.
For Matt's birthday, a James Stewart movie, perhaps a Western or Hitchcock. I know you did Airport 77 but he's barely in that. He needs to be in the WttB Hall of Fame!
As someone who has also worked in retail I don't like the word coupon either.
I thought it was a burrito too, Matt.
All I've ever known about this movie is that Diane Lane cut her hair to be in it, (which is why she's wearing a crappy wig in the reshot ending of Streets of Fire) so I might've gotten some false impressions.
Seen it: Have you guys seen the 2010 Wolfman remake by basement alum Joe Johnston? Considering you didn’t really like the original Wolfman, I’d love to hear what you think of the remake! (And if you haven’t seen it, it would be a great chance to have a remake of a previous WTTB movie on the show!)
Lots of love from the west side of Madison. Any plans on involving fans in Beer and Board games?
Even after seeing "The Trail of the Chicago 7" you STILL won't know much about the Chicago 7 due to all of the stuff that movie either left out or blatantly misrepresents.
i will call my rap album psychiatrist couch boy😅😂🙏🏻
Hey guys, been watching you guys for a long time and just wanted to ask what you guys thought of Jared Leto. I know you don’t necessarily think he deserved that Oscar, but I think he has good range (this is after watching the Little Things) and think he is able to fully sell his characters
Hello Rusty James, good bye rusty cars!
This movie is one long cliche.
This may be the only Seen-It where I have seen every film and also had the opposite opinion from Matt n Craig on every single one. Oh well, that's the wonder of cinema I spose.
When he became a phantom, why was the heavier mass taken?
That bothered me way more than it should have.
Peppermint Patty calls Charlie Brown "Chuck"
4:07 he looks like Jim J Bullock?
8:40 serendipity not verisimilitude
Yes, but Rusty James is dumb, so he would mess it up. Totally intentional.
Not enough Motorcycle Boy.
MOTORCYCLE BOY
I feel like Matt Dillion had looked the same for 40 years.
I think it would be cool to pick an straight up action film. While you guys have watched many films that have action scenes in them I don't think you guys have watched a straight up action film on the show. I'd recomend checking out some Jean Claud Van Damme with the action film "Sudden Death".
Scorsese is pronounced Scor-sess-eee. I heard him introduce himself in an interview once. Coppola, I have no clue about.
Motorcycle Boy?
Did I miss all the Nick Cage jokes?
Who keeps booze in their stove?
You guys have never mentioned Barbara Stanwyk, and that is unforgivable. Just sayin’
bababooey
OMG you guys! I haven't watched the review yet but I fucking LOVE this movie, so you better not bad mouth it! Haha...
Jesus, Matt. I'm slightly disappointed. But, to give you some credit, I do think that I was underwhelmed the first time I watched it. Like Craig said, it's one hell of a cast under the direction of Coppola; the master. Maybe a case of high expectations??? You should revisit it again in a year or two.
@@tapanipaul It might be his best cast outside of the Godfather.
On the subject of Soul, there was an article I read in anticipation of its release that underscores the "get back to Earth" point Matt made, as well as the racial points: There is this pattern in major animated movies, where if the lead character is a person of color, they will undergo a transformation to no longer be a human. This happens in Coco, it happens in The Princess and the Frog, Brother Bear, Spies in Disguise, et cetera, and it robs the typically young audience of something really valuable.
Lilo and Stitch is an exception.
I see you guys still aren't doing your own research ;)
Cinematography was interesting but not a very good movie overall.
Its a disservice to remove a mask and not have ridiculous facial hair underneath
I always thought the Motorcycle Boy photo in the magazine looked suspiciously like an near-g-rated outtake the photographer repurposed from the beginning of an eventually-nude shoot for a gay porn magazine such as Drummer or Honcho--something an itinerant drifter might have done for quick cash while on the road. It definitely had a "rough trade" vibe which might be overlooked by straight guys.
After the mindless idiocy of the comment you guys got about masks that you talked about on Beer & Board Games I say keep the masks on FOREVER!! To hell with COVID denying morons! Losing loved ones to this crap makes tolerating them impossible!
Also I can’t wait to see Kumail Nanjiani in Eternals(the role he buffed up for)! From what I understand its perfect for the role in a very comedic way, he’s playing an immortal that moonlights as a Bollywood action star! I cannot wait for Eternals because of the genius that is Chloe Zhao! 2021 is her year! Oscars for Nomadland AND a Marvel film? How will Scorsese deal with THAT!? 😜 Love the show guys! Cheers!
"Mindless idiocy" "To hell" "morons" would likely make arguing with you impossible. Yes continue to demonize the "other" to show how well meaning you are. You wouldn't believe me if I said you're "killing grandma" more than people who "deny" covid are. I do not deny covid exists, but the mortality rates have absolutely included comorbidities and false positives meaning the current rate of death is a conservative estimation and is actually much much lower. Governments have been PROVEN to lie about their numbers all over north america at the least. Governors Cuomo and Whitmer are perfect examples of this that even watchers of the fake news media are now capable of believing since they're the new demonization target, despite whistleblowers warning about these lies months before but not being part of the narrative. "We changed how we calculate the statistics" How many times have you heard this in the past year? It's insanity and people just "trust the science" as if science is this centralized board of directors who know better than everyone else. It is indeed what science is becoming with a weaponized appeal to authority. You make me sicker than covid ever could. I fully expect this comment to be deleted because this is what keeps happening. I often comment trying to get people to at least admit they COULD be wrong (much like everyone used to think the earth was flat) and I get censored, shamed, insulted because everyone presumes bad faith and must remove the "other" because the powers that be require it. The only facts I present are that there is doubt cast on the information we are given, I made no claims that denies covid is real or CAN be harmful. It's just overblown.
Pair of muppets right here, not sure which is which (Statler and Waldorf) , but if you cannot see the
freedom, that this film brings on so many levels , then you have lost the love of Film.
,, I thought this was gonna b a review,, not a narration,, gave up after 6 mins 🥱 mayb u cud read Garfield strips from the funnies, instead 😒 good grief !!
Coupon and receipt are terrible words.
Yes, the cinematography is fantastic. But the mealy-mouthed mumbling, murky motivation (what can you say about a lead character who just wants to fight people to show what a "man" he is?), heavy-handed symbolism and metaphors that condescend to the audience (by his own admission, Coppola said his aim was to make "an art film for teenagers"), and a barely extant plot held together with a script so loaded with repetition ("Hey, Rusty James, Biff Wilcox is looking for you, Rusty James. He says he's gonna kill you, Rusty James!" - just try to take a sip of wine every time someone says "Rusty James" and you'll be lit half an hour into it) and banal observations that pass for profound insights make this film unwatchable for me. This is one of those films in the Criterion Collection (like "Dazed and Confused", which is just a stoner version of "American Graffiti") that I consider an "inclusive" entry, included because some people have a fondness for it that belies explanation. Of course, I know this is all very objective and there are things to admire about this film (like the aforementioned cinematography), but Rusty James, why do you have to DO that, Rusty James? Oh, Rusty James, do you hear me, Rusty James? Listen, Rusty James, and hear me well, Rusty James... You better work it out, Rusty James, or Biff Wilcox will KILL you, Rusty James!
Can’t watch with the masks.
Well you're obviously putting the mask over your eyes, it's supposed to go over your nose and mouth. Wear it like that and you should be able to watch just fine.
@@blamesocietyfilms this is the best reply.
No mask is going anywhere. I just can't hear you well and there's no emotion conveyed with masks. I still support you, and have watched for 14-15 years. I'll just have to wait till the masks come off.