WHY SO MANY AIRCRAFT ACCIDENTS? Investigator Greg Feith has the Answer
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- čas přidán 16. 05. 2024
- Aircraft accidents and incidents are in the news more than ever before...but WHY? Is flying getting more dangerous or is the reporting just getting more sensational? Greg Feith gets to the bottom of it on SocialFlight Live!
Greg Feith is a former Senior Air Safety Investigator with the National Transportation Safety Board. Among his many accomplishments, he is known for leading the investigation team that climbed Bolivia’s Mt. Illimani to an elevation of over 21,000 feet to conduct the Crash Investigation of the Eastern Air Lines Flight 980, a Boeing 727.
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Been flying for 40 years both commercially and private.. My first instructor, a wise old owl, who was the best mentor and example I could have hoped for, once responded to a bright idea (I thought it was anyway) I had about making altimetry easier. " If you make this so that idiots can do it, you'll have idiots doing it". QED. RIP Mac. You set me on a great voyage, and gave me a love of learning.
Greg has always been my favorite investigator.
Mine too! 💖
He is a punk
@@OhCanadathebest Hey Troll go back to watching your bridge!
I first saw Greg speak at ERAU when I was a new student in the early 90’s. His knowledge, experience, and speaking ability were inspiring for a young kid. But more importantly, he was the first voice I’d heard that really brought home to me the potential consequences of lack of professionalism in our work.
Thank you for having Greg Feith on your channel. The discussion was very informative and I hope he will be your guest again.
V-Tailed Bonanza, which looked to be trying to bet back to the airport with a reported engine failure/power issue.
I first saw Greg Feith in a documentary series in the mid 1990's (when documentaries could be taken seriously). Greg is an air-safety legend.
So much respect for Greg Feith. He’s brilliant.
Here in the USA, We haven’t lost a hull since Sully and the Miracle on the Hudson. before that it was Colgan in BUF. One is too many, but it’s amazing how safe it is to fly here. Other countries are having to learn the same lessons that we have learned over the years. It all starts with a well trained pilot, that has a good grasp of the fundamentals.
United Airlines had to scrap a 767 last year because a dummy pilot landed it on the nose and creased the fuselage. That is a hull loss too. More like that have been scrapped.
There are far too many GA accidents and many occur for the same reasons. There is a problem with how many pilots are trained, imo. Unfortunately, the NTSB doesn't give these accidents the same dedication they do the larger jets even though we lose these pilots every single week.
@@invernessity Good pilots and CFI's are not well received in FAA and NTSB because they ask for tough training instead of mild training the dam lazy maggots like.
Don't forget that the US does not represent the hol airline industry. Two 737 maxs were lost due to design mistakes. Neither could realistically be blamed on the flight crews.
There are GA accidents and fatalities weekly. Do they count?
Just because an incident is commercial doesn’t make the aircraft’s and lives more valuable I feel.
The constant flow of fatal crashes has me genuinely shaken…
Aside from those I’m quite sure there have been many more commercial hull losses in the US. Can’t quote you tail numbers but I’d am near certain…
i'm a Canadian and will say that with Greg retiring from the NTSB affects everyone. I know that in Canada we have the TSB but still whern Greg speaks EVERYONE listens
Greg you are exactly right about the guys on the floor and upper management. My husband worked at Boeing in Mesa, AZ. He would talk about it all the time how they were cutting corners. He has since passed.
Thanks to Greg for an excellent analysis of accident issues in aviation. I would like to know his analysis of our guiding standards starting with PTS and now ACS. I got Pvt, Com, CFI, and CFII with FAA examiners prior to DPEs and before PTS. My guiding principles were the law of the roller coaster and consideration of what the airplane wants to do and use of the apparent rate of closure with the spot for deceleration on landing, all from Wolfgang's "Stick and Rudder." While the current guiding standards produce a fair and standardized test based almost totally on numbers, I see the outcome of the maneuver to be in question from the beginning with some default numbers like Vy. It is math best for up the fastest, but is up the fastest the safest? We crop dusters rather use level in low ground effect acceleration to maximum airspeed possible for maximum energy management for maximum maneuverability. What if default climb was Vcc rather than Vy and what if default turns, other than instrument turns, were based on dynamic neutral stability because allowing the nose to go down is what the airplane wants to do in turns? While not rules, do some ACS maneuvers and especially their close ties to numbers lead to disuse of strong guiding principles of aviation? Which, principles or numerical standards, will keep instructors and students safest until moving on to IMC where safe airspeed, altitude, and procedural track are baked into the environment?
My 17,000 hours of experience, other Air Cavalry in Cobras and Medevac in Hueys, was all small piston airplanes crop dusting or on pipelines so my orientation may be somewhat abnormal. The greater number of fatalities, however, are in small piston airplanes. Am I the only one who questions primary instruction and the lack of strong principles taught? Can we analyse the outcome of ACS maneuvers done exactly correct based on the numbers? Does the correct number on a gauge mean the outcome of the maneuver will never be in doubt given the many contact flying contingencies?
Mighty fine!
The art of conversation is rare...
Greg Feith is a most relatable person...
Listening to an absolute professional whose depth of knowledge is rare in a world of "pretend people practise"...who held my attention throughout...is worthy of more airtime should his schedule allow it...
Thank you to you both...
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Excellent discussion; thank you both for bringing this thoughtful perspective to the aviation community. Hope that Greg Feith will come back on SocialFlight again, I learned quite a bit. Thanks again!
Appreciate Greg sharing his expertise and knowledge!
Greg Feith was very infomative, so was Jim Vance. I watched akot of these investigations, always great attention to detail
Darn shame each one takes three years with no definite recommendations when Dan Gryder get it 95 percent correct within three weeks.
Excellent discussion! Thank you!
Greg is a major hero. He is a man of the hour, is one of the most inciteful people alive in the field of accidents and investigation. When he shows up with a crew just visualize the arrival of Sherlock and Watson in Doyle's wonderful novels. I love this guy, a have deep respect for his honesty and integrity!! Major kudos Greg
Like in so many other companies (doesn't matter utilities, healthcare, cars or aircraft), just shows how the upper suite is too far removed from the ground floor. Too many new invented layers with staffed by admin jobs who each have something to lose and prove
A lot of this is driven by the idea that moving between companies is normal, if not preferred. The rest is publicly traded companies chasing short-term gains to get good quarterly earnings.
I was an engineer at PepsiCo for 5 years. I saw a ton of short-sighted decisions get made because it would look good in the short-term, and be someone else's problem with it inevitably collapsed.
Your points aren't wrong, but they also aren't really the root cause. The entire systems has structured itself so nobody has to take accountability for bad decisions.
Very good comment. A dear mentor and very close friend used to say "you don't know what you don't know and what you don't know can kill you" People in ivory towers are well known to be good at counting beans and not so good at actually designing, building and testing the end product.
Too many companies would never spend the extra payroll for decent mentorship programs. They don’t even want to pay the regular employees.
Really good content, thanks! PPL Greetings from Norway
Al Haines and Sully are two of my heroes of modern aviation. Great interview with another favorite of mine, Greg Faith.
Excellent discussion.
I met Greg at the NAFI Summit that he mentions at 35:13. He's a great guy, incredibly well informed, and he's absolutely right that new CFIs are the one who need the most mentorship... obviously. Thanks for sharing this conversation with Greg - there is lots of information here for us to digest.
Great show but you missed one of the biggest problems.... the FAA!
Take this accident yesterday in Chester PA. This was a Rebuild Rescue plane with repairs done by individuals with no A&P certification. This is the second Rebuild Rescue plane that has crashed within a year. The other plane a PA235 was investigated by the FAA and was found to have numerous ADs that had not been complied with. Work being done by non A&Ps. Rebuild Rescue is rebuilding a 401A and a number of viewers including A&Ps called the local FSDO to report incorrect work, such as 4 ply tires installed instead of 10. The FSDO did nothing. Now with the crash of the Grumman Cougar they have blood on their hands. Lets see if they do something now!
There was a CFI in Oxford CT that was reported to the FSDO for numerous violations including doing aerobatics. FSDO did nothing he eventually killed himself and a student.
Agree with you completely - I will be discussing the Cougar accident on my CZcams e channel Flight Safety Detectives
Great Interview, thanks for sharing!
This guest makes sense. Thank you!
Just FYI, here in Clearwater FL we had another aircraft crash into a trailer park tonight
a V-35B Bonanza - ..... on approach.... they came from Vero, made it all the way to Clearwater only to faceplant it and kill 2 people on the ground....why why why
I watched a lot of accident videos. Greg was in many. Kudos to him.
This was a very interesting discussion!!!
I began my life in aviation for as far back as I can remember. I was very fortunate to be born The Only Child of a WW II Veteran U.S. Army Air Corps Combat Pilot over Europe. My Dad returned & became a GA Recreational Pilot for The Rest Of His Life. As a 40 plus years as a Pilot myself, a Retired Airline Pilot, (ATP,) I know that my Dad pushed himself to continuing learning, He had his Multiengine Prop & Piston Banger Rating, Multiengine Turbo Rating & Jet Ratings & was & still is The Best Pilot that I've ever flown with! He began taking me with him on his Sunday Afternoon Flights so far back that I can't even remember my first flights. Eventually, he bought a Aero Commander, Cessna 310, Cessna 411 Turboprop & A Citation III Corporate Class Jet, in addition to a number of Single Engine Prop & Piston Pumpers, like a 172, Piper Cherokee 140, J-3 Cub & others that I inherited when my Dad passed! Even though that I went into The Airline Industry & Culture, my Dad gave me my foundation of Giving My All to The Safe Operation of Whatever Aircraft that I was flying. I never stopped flying my GA Aircrafts during my Airline Career, whenever I had days off at home, I'd go & fly my GA Airplanes.
When I was about 9 or 10, my Dad began to allow me to take The Yoke & Guide The Aircraft around & Introduced me first to The Six Pack, then other Instruments & gauges as time went on. He would challenge me with questions that taught me to PLAN AHEAD, it was basically AQP before AQP was Ever A Thing.
I might be guiding The Airplane along & he'd ask, "what would you do if we suddenly Lost Thrust, Lost an Engine or had an Engine Fire, etc." Of course, The answer was always to select an Appropriate Place To Make An Emergency Landing. To ALWAYS trade ALTITUDE For AIRSPEED! He also taught me to AVIATE, NAVIGATE & Then COMMUNICATE. He even bought me my own Logbook, & those hours counted even though I wasn't yet big enough to reach The Rudder Pedals or to see over The Instrument Panel. But that idea, instilled in me as a Very Young Kid prepared me for a lifetime of flying as PIC. At The Age Of 14, I earned my FAA GLIDER PILOT'S LICENSE, on my 16th Birthday I Lost My Shirt Tail, (Soloed,) in a Powered Airplane, My Dad's Cessna 172. My Dad was never a CFI, MEI or any other type of Flight Instructor, but he should have been! However, He was close friends with a Particular CFI that Dad served with during The War that had gone on to be a Military Test Pilot before Retiring & becoming a "Lowly" GA CFI II & He became my Instructor, Tough but Fair! I continued to have a Friendship with him until his death! Like my Dad, He was cut from The Same Cloth as All Of Their Greatest Generation Peers!
I did my Private Pilot Check Ride & earned my Private Pilot's License at age 17 , just a few days after I turned 17. That same year I earned my Commercial & Instrument Ratings. After that, it was a Matter of earning my Multiengine Piston & Props Rating, My Multiengine Turbo Rating & Jet Rating in My Dad's Citation III. My Dad always had a Flight Instructor Friend that would really put me through my paces as I built my Type List. We lived in LA, & I went to UCLA & Studied Meteorology. Not only had Flying made me Interested in The Weather, but at age 11, my Parents & I moved to Xenia Ohio BRIEFLY & We survived The April 3rd, 1974 Super Tornado Outbreak when Our house was completely disassembled from around us! Miraculously, We survived without any injuries! But that was The Catalyst that made me pursue a Meteorology Degree.
After I earned my Pilot's License, I flew almost everyday. I got Married & Started My Family. I worked as an On Air Radio Personality from The Age of 14 through High School & College.
I've said all of The Above to say this, in The Airlines We Trained Continuously in AQP. I started "Preaching" The Idea Of Self Imposed GA AQP! In the last year or two, I've seen this becoming a sort of Grassroots Effort On Social Media. It seems to be gaining momentum, so far this year, The GA Fatal Accident Rate is WAY DOWN!!!!
I've looked on The NTSB Website for years & Seen Probable Causes of Accidents listed as Pilot Error, Stall Spins. I saw this Over & Over Again! That's when I realized that AQP transformed The Airline Industry, perhaps it would help GA Pilots to Survive In Flight Emergencies too. Preparedness is The Key.
Things like NEVER ATTEMPT "THE IMPOSSIBLE TURN,!" Go Ahead & Look For A Field, Highway, Golf Course or Other Place to Set Down & Survive.
Last year we saw a Decrease In Fatalities with An Annual Average Of 14 Fatal Crashes Per Month, this Year, So Far, We're At An Average of 11 Fatalities Per Month! I hope that We can keep on Doing Off-Airport Landings instead of Stall-Spins!!!
There's been some real Tragic Mishaps in The Past Year. Two were involving Young Female GA Pilots. The one that occurred at Oshkosh involving The Young Lady in The Warbird, I'm sorry, but her name escapes me right now. She was a Relatively Low-Time Pilot & I believe that She shouldn't have been A Warbird Yet! I think that ultimately She got into IFR Conditions & lost her Situational Awareness & went into A Stall Spin! Then, The TnFlyGirl Tragedy! I believe that She lost situational awareness too, but She didn't need to be flying an Aircraft at all! Just my opinion! Meanwhile, this year, & I believe that you mentioned this Tragedy, The Mooney in St. Augustine that had a Baggage Compartment Door Pop Open just after Take Off, & I believe that the Pilot became so hyper-focused on The Door that when He was On Final, He let his Aircraft get too slow leading to a Stall Spin!
Again, my opinion, but with some type of AQP, these deaths could have been avoided!
Your Broadcast Is Helping Too!
However, I think that Pilots Should Prepare for These Emergencies & Develop Muscle Memory to Automatically Respond IN THE RIGHT WAY, To Avoid Becoming A Statistic!!!
yes bring back us old guys who worked there for 35 years. let us supervise and give these new kids our experience
Good interview, thanks
Greg still delivers wise knowledge & intelligence and still impresses!
This is probably the best video on why aviation is broken. I just retired at age 64 after 35 years of airline flying. They had no interest in keeping me as an instructor. Loved the comment about distraction in the right seat. Problem is they don’t know they are a distraction. Everything with airline training now is pure rote memorization. No skills required.
"767 Single pilot IFR with a distraction in the right seat..." That comment hit me pretty hard!
Thank you so much, great coverage of some of the hottest issues currently at hand. I've been preaching for years that contrary to our existing structure, "Flight Instructors" must be only the most experienced (real world flying experience) and highest paid aviators in the industry, not unlike the DPEs. Very small percentage of current CFIs are actually teaching because they're passionate about instructing and have tons of real world experience to pass onto their students. Instead, most are simply along for the ride on the "get to 1500 hours" train. It's not their fault, it's how the system is designed.
My nephew is a pilot for a subsidiary of a large airline. He has a college degree he obtained from a private university several states away from his home state and gained his necessary flight hours while teaching others to fly. So he's lived independently from his family, obtained a degree with high marks, worked both volunteer and paid jobs, He learned piano as a child along with reading music. He's always wanted to be an airline piolot, and at 3-4 years old, he could identify every commercial plane in the market and tell you all about it. While i dont think college is all that, it does train an individual to independently study without parents looking over your shoulder, especially if you go to an out-of-state school where you basically have to fend for yourself. The volunteer and paid position positions of responsibility work to help you get leadership and cooperative skills. And when you can teach your skill is a great experience as well. My thought is if you dont want to require a degree, then require military service instead. Either college or military trains individuals to do proper study, have discipline, and work around and with all sorts of people.
I've got an opinion, and I'm here to chime in and nitpick. Crap. I forgot what I was going to say, but I'm sure it was both brilliant and insightful.
I apologize to the world for failing to articulate it.
Wait until you get to be my age. I have to usually go back into the house to get the right key for the vehicle I am attempting to operate. Too many cars, trucks, tractors, UTCs and road bikes. Not complaining… too much.
good work
All good advice sir! Great stuff. 35 years in the biz...ATP, A&P ....Seneca, MU2, 727,DO-328 series, B757,767,777.....My Aerostar still keeps me honest. LOL Enjoyed your talk.
You only have RC model airplane videos. LOL>>n
Sorry you lost me when you said that I should pay hundreds of thousands of dollars on top of the already high cost of learning to fly, just to get a random degree which doesn’t mean I have maturity, it just means I paid enough and participated enough to meet a minimum standard. I’ve worked my whole life, that’s my maturity.
I agree and so would Mike Rowe! Today’s colleges do not encourage maturity. Far from it! I’d rather see a pilot study and acquire the skills of an aircraft mechanic! So many of the videos on CZcams talk about things that went wrong mechanically. To understand that would be more valuable than an art degree!
I don't regret getting a degree but feel it was a bad business decision. I was livid when as an experienced Navy veteran I went to a job interview with a portfolio of my work experience and training and was asked if I had an associates or bachelors degree I took college a college course during my enlistment but didn't complete a degree. I was told that they would decline to interview me because I lacked the degree. I had training and hands on experience with mechanical, electrical, advanced electronics, and hydraulic systems. I went out that day and signed up to get my degree. During the course I only updated my knowledge and skills and got an engineering degree and loads of student debt. It was easier to get work but I don't think I gained much except a degree and some updated skills and knowledge.
@@tubeyou222100 see that’s unfortunate. I don’t agree with gathering huge amounts of debt just to prove something. Your hands on experience should have been worth far more to the interviewer.
If his reason for pushing collegiate education is pilots safety statistically benefit from learning more tangential subjects... Just make the pilots license testing to include those subjects. Don't dictate how the knowledge is earned, just ask that people price they have the knowledge.
Greg has a point about a college degree to a point. If you cannot maintain an FAA medical, a degree might help to keep food on the table. A trade might serve a pilot better if they want to remain in aviation. An A&P/IA will work quite well, and would probably be better for a pilot to remain current in the aviation community. Do that with your degree in art. As for developing maturity and discipline in college, we have not seen that transfer into the cockpit lately. It is the person who develops discipline and maturity, not the college environment. I have mentored pilots who have become training pilots at their respective major airlines. What they have observed with the puppymill pilots is; the lack of three dimensional thinking. Far too many of these college kids have exhibited a lack of respect for the PIC or a training officer. Don’t mind me… I came up through the ranks, not from a puppymill with a direct route into a jet, and thus receiving the golden $100,000 signing bonus. The college snobbery is showing up on the flight deck. My former students that I mentioned, one left college with 500 hours of flight time and a $157,000 college tab. The other one, my flying buddy, came up through the ranks, now owns two vintage aircraft, and feels like he should have received a SP rating on his 73’ and 75’/76’ type ratings.
BINGO! 56:26 ☆ I heard a version of this from my Father and recently from a retired Delta pilot. "They don't understand aerodynamics". This understanding comes after absorbing your textbook knowledge in combination with flying practice, practice, practice and listening to and flying with those around you who have way more experience.
Do you think flying has become too expensive perhaps? Making practice unaffordable. I grew up in Mississippi in the 1970's -80's and have memories of my Uncle asking all of us cousins "Who wants to go flying with me"? It's beautiful weather for flying, all the time. Now as we all manage our household budgets, I can't imagine such a thing happening in 2024. With some kids in college, the last of a mortgage, our first grandchild on the way... I can't see many of us flying anymore, just to fly. In the early 90s, that kind of thing was happening a few times per year, but TODAY It's too expensive for most families to go fly for fun.
I thought I would edit and tell another story. A friend of mine has a company and they have a private plane and a pilot they use to fly this plane. In the 80's her Dad would allow us to use the plane and pilot for trips to see a music concert or to visit a friend for the weekend who lives in Florida. The company is headquartered in Arkansas and we have plans to go see the eclipse in April (we are in Georgia) and visit family for a few days. The thought came up to use the plane and Captain Kirk to fly us there and back
She looked at the numbers and had second thoughts....No way to justify a "fun trip" financially on that plane. Times have changed my friend.
So much experience, I could listen to this all day. Oddly I believe everything he said applies to every area of the transportation industries. Shipping, Trucking, Railroad and Aviation.
Really, really enjoyed this show. So insightful 👏🏽👏🏽
As a retired airline pilot, Gerg Feith, I absolutely agree with you!!! There is no replacement for real world experience, in any profession.
I have enjoyed watching Greg F on the CZcams videos from Mayday and Wonder. In fact, i am usually working on something, and as soon as i hear his distinctive voice, i look up. But he is so right. Having just done a 14-year stent with one company, i have experienced both the advantages and failures to pass on senior experience to the newbies. The one who moved onto different departments are usually available to pick their brains when their replacements need help. And the company use the retired ones as consultants to help their replacements. But a lot what zlso happens is that they have one person roles where theynever train a backup, so when that person leaves, the replacement hasnt a clue about the internal knowlege and experience to train them. When it comes to flying 10 to 300 people around the country and globe, this mentoring is so important. I watch those shows and am amazed how pilots are still not trained in the simulator or live how to get out of certain situations. Lets train them to fly a plane on 1 or 2 less engines but dont bother to train them to fly and land with no engines. What? It's not like that never happens, losing all engines. We need the experienced pilots to be the instructors and mentors.
Invigorating discussion. Giving 150% - agreed, no matter the profession.
U are right
Love this vid, and thank you both!
I'm not expert - just a low hour VFR pilot, but I fail to see how anyone with less than 500 hours could possibly be qualified as an instructor!? I would not take instruction from such a person. My CFI had like 20K hours, and loves to teach. Like the instructor you mentioned but ten years later! Not an ATP wannabe.
It certainly seems to me that there definitely needs to be an adjustment in the requirements and ongoing review of CFIs both in terms of experience and attitude! Not to mention making vids while flying.
Greg's great.
If I had just one chance in life to meet anyone anywhere - Greg Feith would be my holy grail
Greg’s spot on. System has to change if anyone expects a positive change.
Greg you ROCK....On the maintenance side a mentor program would be a great start because most if not all of these aviation schools teach you how to take the FAA exam.There is so much that they are not able to teach that you have to have talent enough to understand what the maintenance manual and structures manual are saying because there are only 2 ways to work on an aircraft the right way and the wrong way..
Why NTSB is not making complete investigations??
Another way to keep some of age related experience, is to allow the old but good people to not only mentor or train, but to continue in their current job but gradually reduce their hours. Flying from one side of the world and back again every few days is very demanding. Also new hires could be probationary part time to start. As they gain real world experience and prove their abilities increase their hours on a known schedule so that they know when they will become full time. Your reference to college as a screening tool was excellent. It is not the subject matter that you learned it is the fact that you learned how to do what it takes to graduate. I have a total of 11 years of college with 3 degrees. After 42 different jobs, all of which had parts that I enjoyed, I quit a 6 figure job because I did not really like some of my co-workers and wanted to closer to my aging parents, I ended up in a blue collar union job for 27 years until retirement. It was a perfect fit for me and my family.
Bravo / I in my 35 years of buying selling flying etc found some of the most criminal ANP / IA both ignorant/ lazy and deceptive individuals falsely stating corrective actions for monetary gain. Too many times repairs are not performed,( short cuts), I think you’ll see at least 50% of crashes due to poor maintenance .
It's the full responsibility of the owner of the airplane to ,1 faa medical clearance, 2 faa engine & inspections by a licensed and certifiedservice center. . 3 practice with a faa license instructor.
I’m an airline pilot, check airman and gold seal FAA instructor. I’d have no problem flying the Max at a US or Western European airline. But that goes for any airplane.
So I have a couple of questions, and pardon me if they sound ridiculous. I have no connections to commercial airplanes except my love for travelling on them.
First Question: I still hear of airplanes not knowing sometimes if their landing gear is actually down and have done fly-by's at airports for the ATC to take a look and let flight crews know. But with all the outer cameras planes have now, why can't they place cameras that point towards landing gears?
Second Question: Airplanes landing and unable to stop in time and over-run the runways. Why can't every airport have like a Runaway runway like truck drivers have for runaway 18 wheelers that lose their beaks? Like a runway made of sand that progressively gets deeper towards the end so it doesn't come to a sudden jolt-stop and injure people. i realize that airplanes are going much faster than 18-wheelers that's why at the end should be very deep like coming up to the doors. Or deep enough where it would arrest the engines. Grant it, it would probably fry the engines all that sand, but better engines die than people and an entire airplane.
Third Question: With all the GPS technology we have, I'm thinking of that Malaysian flight MH370 that seemingly disappeared from the face of the earth and "someone" in the cockpit turning off the transponder thereby making themselves virtually invisible to the point no one knows where it went down. But just like cops that want to keep tabs on suspects movements, why isn't there something similar on airplanes that will let them be tracked in Real Time?
Fourth Question: Along the same lines as above somewhat, after an accident, it is VITAL that the Black Boxes be located. The first question I have is that I am to understand the signal the Black Boxes beacons only emit for 30 days, There isn't "Lithium-wise" that would make the beacons go for longer? And also, why have Black Boxes at all? Isn't there a way that cockpit voice recordings and the other recorders go straight to say the airlines dispatch offices on a continual basis in real time? I know like the Airbus sends plane information every 10 minutes to airline offices related to how things are shaping up in order to get maintenance ready for whatever the plane needs.
As I said, I apologize if my questions are dumb. I've just always wondered.
A couple of my "fantasy" inventions that I would think of as a kid as I always got very sad hearing about airplane crashes when I was a kid and especially remembered the Eastern Airlines flight 401 that went down in the everglades in the early 70s (they could have used that landing gear camera on that day) I would tell myself I was going to invent some very heavy-duty parachutes that could be deployed by the captain when planes were losing control and hurtling towards earth, out pops three heavy-duty parachutes; one in the front of plane, in the middle and in the rear. I know, it sounds goofy. Or helicopter type propellers would pop up. (Equally goofy) or especially for ocean crashes, the plane could deploy a huge heavy-duty raft that would surround the entire plane do at least it wouldn't sink. But was thinking why don't planes have emergency rafts or passengers and crew? Was thinking about the landing on the Hudson where people were waiting on the wings of the plane or even Air Florida going down in the Potomac. One of the passengers that initially survived that crash, drowned while helping others get hooked by the helicopter hoist. That poor man let others go before him and he drowned in the meantime. I know that was a very quick accident and not even expected so rafts might have been difficult to locate in the dark, murky ice-covered Potomac river, maybe a sensor could be installed when the plane senses water at a certain point it would eject rafts from some part of the plane, typically the tallest part like the tail. Anyway, that's all. :)
DAMN THIS WAS A GOOD SHOW !! BINGO on SOooo many points ❤
OBTW Got a new sub here too😅
Thanks for putting togather the interview. Just saying "the airlines don't have the time to train you" puts the burden on the students. My guess is that airlines do have time/money to spend on training, they just don't see the long term financial incentive to do so, until their airplane actually goes down. It's probably not a good idea to put the responsibility of gaining experience on the students who are already in tremendous financial pressure. At least part of the responsibility should be on the airlines and flight schools. It was kind of weird that the interview didnt touch that the regulation regarding qualification will need to change if the commercial enterprise doesn't take steps to improve the training that lead to increase in accidents.
Where are the Chapters.
not having been trained and certified as an aircraft mechanic, how does a pilot and an aircraft owner make sure the repair work, as diagnosed by a certified gas turbine mechanic was done correctly and that every procedure that was performed is properly notated in the log book.?
I think the whole world, has a low grade crush on this dude.
Handsome and sincere with a mind that surpasses it all.
Thanks for all you’ve sacrificed and given to aviation…
Greg is a talented man He should be the FAA administrator
Excellent professional, we need experienced people like Feith, specially at this moment, when experience curve is in a down. By the way, I’ve watched The Mystery of Flight 1501 many years ago, the best part: When Jeffrey DeMunn introduce to Cheryl Ladd, he said: The NTSB rules the investigation, and I represent the pilots as a special guest, and I protect our side. So Cheryl asked: what side is that? And DeMunn answered: The truth, whatever it may be.
Personally I think people who owned and sold their planes, have realized from all the educational videos on here, and realized how close they were to driving it into the ground, got away from it because they aren’t interested in further learning, so they sell it to a single engine pilot, that has to much money, and not enough foresight, to realize, when you fill a new plane with 6 people and fuel,
That it doesn’t seem to climb like that last plane when you were by yourself..
How does a plane with 2 engines, flat spin into the ground, it’s because they don’t understand the level of piloting, and are to proud to say, I have to much plane, and not enough brain.
Anyone that has been in manufacturing knows what Boeing "stand down for safety" is. Management is soft-blaming floor staff, people will probably rewatch training videos and pencil whip their names to the training logs for rhe same practices that failed last time.
And everyone that works knows a training log is a liability shift from employer to employees.
Didn’t McFadden teach using the 180 back tithe runway?
The case of too young instructors is real. Most accidents in my area happened with very young pilots mostly with less than 300hrs
Generally an excellent discussion. Thank you!
Some thoughts, in no particular order:
Attitude
Spot on! People who excel are always striving to learn and deeply understand more. Sadly, they are not as common among pilots as in the past due to the current demand.
College Degree
Degrees may have meant something 50 years ago, but they are highly overrated now. The people with degrees, and advanced degrees, who can’t think their way out of a paper bag are legion. All a degree proves nowadays is that someone has money or is willing to accrue significant debt. Corporate HR weanies use lack of a degree as a gatekeeper and turn away the much of the best talent. In my career, over half of the most capable people had no degree while over 90% with a degree were ineffective.
Understanding Aerodynamics
Learning to push buttons does not a pilot make. The Air France lost off the coast of Brazil had frozen pitots. That’s it. Yet they flew a perfectly good aircraft into the ocean. An airliner is certainly different from a Cub, but wouldn’t pitch and power help? And the rest of the panel? Readi g the CVR transcript is heart wrenching.
Impossible Turn
All deaths are tragic and heartbreaking. It is unfortunate, from a learning perspective, that we will never know the CRM and ADM aspects of the flight where Richard lost his life. It is ironic that he advocated for the return to airport maneuver, at least under certain circumstances. I think there is a lot of pro and con arguing in aviation on that point and not nearly enough discussion of the narrow range of scenarios when it can work, how to determine a particular aircraft and pilot’s capability, and how to safely prepare and train for the scenario. Stop arguing and start researching and learning.
Politicians
Let’s “fix” Colgan with a 1,500 hour rule… even though pilot experience had absolutely nothing to do with the accident.
Bosses
The elephant in the room is all the bosses who know nothing except focusing on budget, schedule, and image. You won’t fix Boeing until you fix the top. All the “problems” like MCAS and door plug bolts are actually not problems. They are symptoms of the mess at the top. And you can’t fix symptoms. All the band-aides in the world won’t solve the problems. Fix the bosses and the boss mentality, and the symptoms will magically disappear. Don’t believe me? Look at the root causes of both space shuttle crashes. We killed two entire crews because the bosses were worried about budget, schedule, and image.
What Greg said about the efficacy of a college degree was at one time true. Times have changed, and unfortunately
a college degree no longer provides these advantages IMHO.
How has it changed?
Aviation is the only profession in the world where you have the least experienced people teaching new trainees!
56:10 if what you just said is true, that horrifies me. The fact that I actually know that and I’m not a pilot, I’m just an aviation enthusiast, that is very very scary.
The latest Boeing situation is an QC and employee problem and maybe the wrong people in the wrong job. To start with, a guy who is a perfectionist and has a lot of Boeing QC experience has to personally take a look when one of the 100 or 200 critical jobs is done or redone in this case. The final QC on that door was done by the contractor who did the fix, which is like letting the car mechanic do the QC on some part fix. And 1 out of 100 complex car fixes comes back broken again and find bolts were not torqued, stripped, broken off, or missing. Having 5 years on a job, in particular an aviation or pilots' job is equivalent to a college degree, a 25-year-old auto mechanic who has a high level of skill is a better candidate for a pilot than a collage graduate who skated through an easy curriculum where over 90% who show up most of the time graduate which is just an extension of high school. Have 7 years of going to a job every day, becoming a valued employee, getting better is more valuable than 4 more years of high school. The maturity of someone who has not been tested in 4 more years is not much more than anyone going from 18-22 years of age, it may be better for a 22-year-old who has not had a professional job, clerk, Amazon warehouse, service, etc. The pre-1990 planes with low or high use, with much of it that is not required to be rebuilt or replace still original, a 1970s plane that has not been redone down to the bones is scarry. Instructors should be told to do a dry run parked and not running of what is going to be done, with maybe a check list what should be done on something like a takeoff, you talk then through speed, altitude, transitions of it before you even go through your pre-flight check list.
FAA is a disaster in the making. I have a relative who is a FAA controller. His shop is less than 50% maned. He has been working 6 days a week for the last 3 years. HE and his fellow workers are WORN OUT. PLUS he is on 2 Days, 2 Mids and 2 Nights. Vacation has been denied several times..........etc. In confidence he has learned of drug and alcohol abuse to help cope with the issue. Unfortunately it will take a major disaster to get the attention it needs. The FAA has FAILED!!!
That’s okay. He probably has a commute and coupled with the shift rotations, and gets an excessive amount of three-hour sleep cycles.
How can you get "life experience" pilots into the cockpit?
The same issues are happening in the FAA with ATC. Nobody is watching the watchers and no body is held accountable until it’s too late.
I completely agree regarding quality over quantity. I don't know all of the opportunities available to someone over 65, but between check pilots, CFIs, or even some new provision (can fly to 70 with a monthly medical or something) there's got to be a way to leverage that experience.
There needs to be a system where becoming a pilot is more accessible to people. Right now it is viewed by many to be a completely impossible task and because of this you miss out on a segment of very capable resources who perhaps have the desire to become a pilot but do not given the massive investment it requires. College in itself puts people into incredible debt let alone compounding that by the even larger additional cost of attempting to become a pilot. And this kind of debt can cripple you for life unless your family is incredibly wealthly and can finance you. Or you join the military and learn that way but the fact is less and less people are joining the military. I guess there is assistance out there but that assistance seems to be targeted at people from impoverished communities specifically. I think there needs to be more aviation pilot targeted degrees available at colleges across the country. Or perhaps more avaition focused colleges built that people can chose to go to instead of a traditional college. Having to do both is just not feasible for most individuals. The financial aspect deters the vast majority and until that is fixed I believe this industry is going to continue to struggle. The fact is in the past the best pilots came from some arm of the military but most these days dont want to go that route unfortunately so there has to be changes in order to adapt to the changing times and as of now not enough changes have been implemented. In short, a clear path needs to be defined such as the ones laid out to become a doctor or a lawyer. Right now I do not believe that clearly exists.
You can’t wash airplanes for flying time like so many of us did decades ago. That opportunity has long since passed.
Wow! What an interesting video…. I'm 53 and wish I was younger so I could be a pilot.
You can still chase rhe dream! If you want to fly for the commercial airlines, they'll take you at 59.5. Otherwise you can fly charters or for fun well past the airline mandatory retirement age 🤔
@@StormChaser290
It’s the 🤑$$$ for training. No more taking out loans for me. I’m just about debt free. 😎
the most common theme I see is people with the income to buy higher performance aircraft without the skill set or proper training to be flying it. they learned to fly in simple, tame, predictable aircraft then move up to machines that need more discipline to fly. just because you have the income to buy a Steinway will not make you a pianist.
*United Airlines has had nine incidents in the past month - people fly everyday - the media has reported responsibly IMO*
This Was So Good,,,, Been a Greg Feith Fan For More Years Then We Both Admit Too...
There are many medical condition incidents......................... I would avoid old pilots in certain situations.
“YOU’RIGHT, Ice.. Man!! I AM DANGEROUS (pushing 74 years old at .99 Mach). “
How ridiculous, there's no way you could compare the MCAS issue that is a design issue in comparison to the plug door missing bolts to completely different failure scenarios
Both are design failures. If the extra exit is activated, sensors are installed to let the cockpit know if the door isn't properly secured. When only the door plug is installed, there are *NO* sensors or other indication if the door plug is properly secured. Because those 4 bolts are well-hidden behind insulation and paneling, the only time they'd ever be looked at is every 3-5 years at C checks. Additionally, the door plug could have been designed like a manhole cover, so that it couldn't possibly fall out of the aircraft. For the 1960s, the 737s were great aircraft. Time and aeronautical knowledge has progressed.... Boeing has not, continuing to flog a stretched and very dead horse.
You are missing the big picture!!!
@@gregoryfeith1886 thanks Greg, I'm not sure who your comment was directed towards regarding missing the big picture. My background is quality assurance to include two manufacturing DAR delegations one from the San Antonio mido and one from the Orlando mido. In my view the big picture is the OEM (Boeing) shows incompetence in design with regards to the MCAS and a product verification issue on the manufacturing side (missing bolts).
@@christophergagliano2051 The big picture I was referring to was not the relationship of the MCAS and door hardware, rather it was the fact that Boeing was put on notice for safety-related issues regarding the MCAS, and other build issues during the investigation 5 years ago, include production quality and oversight with the 737 and the 787 programs. These issues were addressed by Mullenburg at that time - 5 years later under "new" management" quality control issues still exist, FAA oversight is in questions, and there are a variety of issues that I have been made aware of that are not public. I appreciate the work you do as a DAR, I have friends that are DERs, and I agree about design issues, and many other things, but Boeing is not the only aircraft manufacturer that has these issues. Airbus is still dealing with composite issues.
@@gregoryfeith1886 thanks for the response and your spot on, for 3 years I was part of Boeing's ODA working as a inspection unit member. My issue with Boeing is they wouldn't send an engineer to witness certification tests, so as the inspection unit member/DAR I had to conform the test specimens, verify the test set-up was correct and witness The test on behalf of the engineer that wrote the test plan. On one test plan there were so many red lines It was darn near impossible to figure out what the engineer actually wanted us to do.
It's kind of sad but I have lost confidence in the system, and there's no doubt the high production rate and the industries loss of experienced engineering and manufacturing talent has put the public in jeopardy.
When In Command COMMAND !
I learned many moons ago (and yes I am an old git 🙂) Data + Experience = Information, Information + Experience = Knowledge, Knowledge + Experience + Wisdom. It appears to me that the Aviation Industry has lost it Wisdom base not just its Knowledge base
It wasn't too long ago that plane crashes were only local news.and not generally shared across the country.now we see all the crashes around the world all at once.it like a hold up on local news.if you multiple it by every city it looks like a epidemic.the rate of crashes have always been pretty high.
" ....the bubble headed bleach blonde comes on at 5, she can tell you 'bout the plane crash with a gleam in her eye, it's interesting when people die, gives us dirty laundry"...
Remember that song? So much more true today
@@SteveAubrey1762 Christine Lund. eyewitness news
Just to remind everyone - we, in the USA, are not living longer - our life expectancy has been getting lower. From 2020 to 2022 there was a three year drop in life expectancy.
Pilot should not need a college degree. If they can safely fly a plane and have thousands of hours to prove it, I am good with that.
You are willing to put your loved ones lives in the hands of a person who didn’t have the ability and stamina to complete a college degree? WOW
To get to the level of airline pilot takes a lot longer and more stamina than a college degree. They spend hundreds of hours in the simulator to deal with all faults that are known to man. they also take extensive practical tests probably harder than college degrees. It's a bit like saying you can't be Cristiano Ronaldo without a college degree. You have to have the passion and the skills, they probably have built their own flight simulator at home as they love flight so much. It's not like becoming a lawyer or accountant.
I was under the impression pilot error was the larger cause of air fatalities?
yes. your point is what ?
BAD PILOTS. Just go see how many bad landings at any USA GA airport.
Pilot error originated from the news media - pilot error is a vanilla term
@@gregoryfeith1886 No, it is a real banana term. Wrong food term.
The GA fatal accident rate and problem is NOT a media issue! You guys are solving nothing. The only help will come from the aviation insurance companies putting the hammer down HARD to get poor judgement pilots out of the cockpit permanently. The FAA might help by enforcing good judgment on pilots through the regs as is done with airline pilots. I doubt, however, that the FAA has what it takes to solve the problems.
I think all the airlines, regionals, cargo companies & 135 operators should pay towards a national training fund, and I really think professional pilot candidates should be selected from professions like truck driving or ambulance driving, similar military specialties, and even professional racing (motorcycles, cars, dirtbikes, boats)... It's much more accessible to first get into professional driving, or some meaningful military job, and then apply for civil pilot training through programs funded by the airlines. But I do think it's important the people first prove themselves in some professional capacity, before getting into professional pilot training. Also, I think professional pilot training should be expanded to require substantial training in mechanics and maintenance.
Really, truck drivers? For every good truck driver there are multiples of bad drivers.
Risk takers like racing individual? That’s who you want flying yourself and our family? Flawed thinking here.
@@bigdougscommentary5719 - I mean people who've demonstrated a seasoned ability to maneuver any kind of dynamic machinery. I also think professional pilot candidates should be further screened for personality issues. But lots of good military pilots have gotten their start in motorcyle / dirtbike racing, just an example.
Riveting…until college degree requirements were brought up. Out of touch is an understatement. The cost of a 2024 college degree is absolutely indefensible as a backup option. I know 100+ pilots with proper degrees who worked as Uber drivers between flying jobs because after a few years the degree is of near zero value without experience in that field. On top of this there are exactly ZERO other countries in the world requiring a college degree to fly for a major airline. Are you telling me that Airlines like Emirates, Japan Airlines, British Airways or Lufthansa are full of clowns because 90% of them have no college education?!?! Like one of my PhD friends have said many times to me, “An idiot with a PhD is still an idiot.” One of the silliest pilots I ever flew with was a Captain for a reputable large Regional Airline who couldn’t stop yapping on about how his four year degree was so important, and yet he was so much worse making big picture decisions than most of his Captain colleagues, and the string of highly questionable decisions in his personal life was longer than a telephone line. The best pilot I flew with in my 35 airline years was a high school dropout. It’s about personality, focus, and dedication, which result in skill and theoretical knowledge. Asking for a college degree is a form of investigative laziness when it comes to hiring.
Oh come on. High school dropout ?! 😂😂😂😂. The percentage of high school dropouts that can fly a plane is minuscule. That's a one and million experience.
During a live newscast Friday, KTVU Channel 2 reported the names of the flight crew as: 'Sum Ting Wong,' 'Wi Tu Lo,' 'Ho Lee Fuk,' and 'Bang Ding Ow'
Now that's funny, maybe not Politically correct, but very funny.
Speaking on the commercial airline transport pilot perspective and I've said this for many years now, the majors should ONLY be drawing new replacement pilots from the U.S. military with a minimum of six year enlistment as a pilot for the U.S. Army / Air Force. Having a college degree is wonderful but I will always stand firm that U.S. military pilots should be the only pilots to transition to the major airlines because they come with the discipline, training, and knowledge needed to fly commercial airliners. I may sound as if I have a thing about civilian trained pilots and in fact I do. They simply do not have the fly by the seat of your pants experience to fully understand the dynamics of flight and of aircraft performance and systems. While fly sim gaming gets certain individuals interested in the flying industry, real life isn't a video game. During my initial entry into flight training, my right seat CFII was a pilot from Nellis Air Force Base, one day I had a serious case of spatial disorientation and as much as I love flying, I made the decision right then that I am a safety risk and immediately ended my training. But I stand firm that major airlines should only receive well seasoned and highly trained pilots from the U.S. military with a minimum of six years experience as PIC like the way it used to be decades ago. You want to be a future airline transport pilot, join the military in their pilot training program and work your way to the big leagues. If I tick a few persons off with my statement, that's fine with me because it means you do not comprehend the message given.
The problem is the DEI being more important than MERIT based hiring. If you’re only hiring people because of their skin color and NOT the BEST pilots more airplanes are going to crash. When you’re more focused on having an an female led team instead of the best individuals for the job you are going to have problems…looking at you Boeing.
And DEI is also adopted by the aircraft manufacturers, maintenance, and the FAA when hiring controllers. Seen it in person!
WTF are you talking about? To say that reveals you have are clueless and also watch too much right wing media.
@@Mach7RadioIntercepts Some folks don't like the idea of merit-based anything.
@@dukeford8893😂😂😂😂. When all else fails.. blame the women and the blacks. Cuz they make up such huge portions of the aviation industry.
Idiotic comment. DEI is NOT the problem, GREED is the problem. Boeing is in the situation they are because they cut corners to increase profits. Hiring a person not based on merit did not cause their problems. Try NOT watching FOX for a while.
With all the problems that the FAA has you would think that state of hell out of the RC model airplane business… but oh no they want to try to control that too and they’re that up real good too…. A lot of your future pilots flew model airplanes and got the bug and moved on to real airplanes… good job FAA you fucked that up
It is safe to fly! However, I think to blame Boeing's problems on "everything being magnified" may be a bit shy of clear thinking. Of course, all companies have problems. Someone answer me if it is true that engineers from those other companies are literally saying there is a specific model of their own plane on which they will not fly. That is happening at Boeing.
Where’s olé Pete Buttjuice, the DEI appointment travel czar…? 🤔
The guys that take early out do not want to EVER step foot back in the PLANT. They are so sick of what has happened the last 10 years
Interesting that they would mention higher education and the benefits of a college degree when the FAA is hiring intellectually challenged people. This along with the mentally ill, blind, deaf, etc..
"The guidelines, announced in March 2022, set an annual FAA hiring goal of 3% for severely impaired employees. The listed disabilities include psychiatric and intellectual impairments, complete and partial paralysis, blindness, deafness, missing extremities, epilepsy and dwarfism."
Should be interesting!
I doubt a new pilot would have the knowledge to land successfully on the Hudson like Sully.