Super Metroid: A Newcomer's Perspective | KS
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- With Super Metroid being lauded as one of the best-designed games ever, I decided to finally try it out. But does it meet expectations, even 25 years later?
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It's immeasurably easier to get to the spring ball after space jump, and that is certainly the intended way. Those guide writers are hacks.
I usually follow the guide writers since im good at boss battles and not item collection. (the highest item rate is 71%)
@@YoshiLikesFate I always go for 100%. It's kind of an obsession of mine. It's easier if you watch speedrunners a lot.
I figured it out myself without a guide but i used the spinjump to get there. The only two times i needed help was how to break the glass on the bridge and that the wall after the Ridely fight is fake. The X-Ray not working makes zero sense because there is no indication that it warns you it doesn't work
The wall jump is actually not required: The only room it's required in is the room where it's taught to you, which is optional. The Spring Ball is a completely optional powerup, and I think most players don't find it until they're exploring with the Space Jump and Screw Attack
Oooh. Well that explains a lot. Not really sure why IGN and GameFAQ’s told me to get it so early but the screw attack would definitely make that room a lot easier.
@@Kardino I was actually just looking straight up for this comment. You are not intended to climb that shaft until you have the space jump :) The enemies are there intentionally to make it very hard to get up there with the wall jump only. That’s why the enemies are placed in the center rather than to the side, Because if you have the space jump or if you are a very good wall jumper, you can move up the one side only.
The scene at the end of your metroid saving you from mother brain and sacrificing itself is still one of the most poignant moments in all of gaming for me, esp the enraged hyper beam at the end
Broke: I hope you step on a lego
Woke: I hope both sides of your pillow are warm
heavily recommend fusion if you are interested in a more straightforward, objective-based metroid game. also, super is amazing, but prime is just a masterpiece. would love to see an impression video on that as well.
I played through it for the first time in 2020 on Switch online as well :) I rented it back in the day but got stuck (pre internet) so I just gave up and didn't go back to it for like 27 years lol! I also used an online guide to help with a few sticky spots and I got stuck in the same spot you did because I also didn't notice the room on the mini-map. I liked your video's format :)
I'm playing the game myself and I have to say that I'm right there with you on the wall jump. It seems like a move that would be simple to execute but instead it's needlessly difficult. That's basically my only complaint though, the game rocks. I enjoyed this video and I think the format would be fun in the future!
You can make it much easier by pressing away from the wall first and then pressing jump immediately after, trying to press both buttons simultaneously will just result in you pressing jump first accidentally and messing it up more often.
Also, you can repeatedly wall jump off a single wall since you can immediately turn back towards it after performing one, the faster you can input the command the faster you can fly up a wall.
This is why the technique is difficult, there isn't a single section of the game that requires it, but mastering it comepletely breaks the game and renders several otherwise mandatory items completely optional, you can beat the game without ever collecting the high jump boots, space jump, or even the grapple beam.
If wall jumping had you pressing into the wall to use it then it would be far to easy to use and everyone would be able to break the game on their first playthrough, so to remedy that they'd have to make it so that you can't turn around immediately after doing one, which is exactly what they do in Metroid Fusion and Samus Returns.
The trick that works for me is going by the audio of Samus’ jump. It acts as a metronome of sorts.
So crazy to see the "Lens" of someone new to this game. At the time, this game looked and felt SO AMAZING and "Perfect" even though it was SO CRYPTIC. Obviously, players patience is so different and shorter these days, but glad to hear today's prime gamers are still enjoying one of the best games ever made. Thanks for recognizing the brilliance and seeing where it has gone and evolved into, such gems are classic for a reason. Great vid and channel!
*Important fact!*
You only need one wall to wall jump, as you can immediately turn back around after performing one and repeatedly execute the input of the exact same wall over and over, and how fast you go up is only limited by how fast you can move your fingers.
So any area where there's a straight vertical wall is fair game to sequence break, and if you think your timing is good enough you can even try fancier wall jumps on the more jagged walls, you can completely avoid both the High Jump Boots and the Space Jump if your wall jumping is good enough, and if that fails you still have the infinite height that chained bomb jumps can provide. Even the thinnest platforms can be wall jumped off of if you can time it!
Also! You should check out the other secret technique, the Shinespark, press down once the Speed Booster activates to store the speed, from there you can launch straight up by pressing jump, or horizontally if you press left or right immediately after pressing jump, using the up angle button will allow you to launch diagonally too. Be warned that this technique drains health as you fly through the air and will only stop once you hit a wall.
Really cool to see someone playing this for the first time! I never feel bad about using a walkthrough, if you're stumped you're stumped lol
Now I understand why git gud got so popular. You finally explained it to me perfectly
this dude needs more subscribers
Btw, NES Metroid has aged like Milk. If you have the chance, play Fusion or Zero Mission.
Yeah, I remember trying it a couple years ago and I think I quit after about 10-20 minutes. Hopefully Zero Mission comes to NSO at some point!
When he said "it's 4:30 in the morning" did anyone else's brain immediately say "I'm milking cows?" No? Just me? Ok.
I would recommend that you replay the game and try to sequence break it a bit, it's a lot of fun and it's really rewarding when you go into places with more goodies than you are supposed to. Additionaly I would also suggest that once you feel comfortable enough with a few sequence breaks that you attempt a randomizer. Randomizer are sort of romhacks that randomizer every item place. Similar to sequence breaking it feels great to have items you aren't supposed to have yet and the combinations are nearly limitless. Anyways if all of this seems intimidating I suggest that you replay the game and try to use the wall jump more. Thanks for making the video. It was really interesting to see a newcomers perspective
man I remember playing Super Metroid for the first time and sequence breaking to get the Spazer and Wave Beam early. I had figured out wall jumping without the monkeys and thought "well I know the game *probably* want me to get this later, but.... *I wanna get it now*"
it's very fun
I first played this in 2008 and it's still one of my favorite games.
was fun to hear your perspective, you should try axiom verge next!
Kardino, now put yourself in the context of a guy your age in 1994. What would be out there that would be so well refined and incredibly awesome to play. That's what makes this game so great. It has and will probably continue to hold up as an awesome way to spend time. Great review by the way!
For wall jumps you can scale one wall, you don't need to jump back and forth.
I read that on a guide, but I just found it easier to use both sides. I’m sure that would lead to some insane speed runs though!
If an HD remaster collection of 3 critically acclaimed games isn’t worth $60 then idk if any game is worth $60
I’m sure it will be worth $60 to a lot of people and I won’t knock them for it.
But for me, It’d be more of an upgrade than anything, especially since the original was &50 on Wii, and $20 on Wii U.
The wall jump thing you mentioned can actually be overcame with space jump
Not sure why ign said to wall jump, haha. Glad you still enjoyed the game nonetheless
What were your thoughts on the controls/game engine? some ppl new to the metroid series will site that the controls/engine are apparently bad
I think they are a little stiff by today’s standards but not nearly so bad that they’re unenjoyable. I didn’t actually mind the button layout either.
@@Kardino you should try Zero Mission sometime as a lot of people like to compare the engines of both the games!
Great video! Have you ever played Castlevania: Symphony of the Night? And has finally playing Super Metroid made you more interested in playing some of the other 2D games in the series, like the upcoming Metroid Dread?
I haven’t played any Castlevania games, but I hope to someday! And Metroid Dread looks awesome! I’ll probably play through the other 2D games first, then try it out
Good to be a year late~ But the moment you said you liked when there was a clear objective, I just couldn't help but think how Fusion would be just the game for you
Well, at least since you seemed to enjoy Super. Fusion is a pretty good game too, just that it's more story driven and has less of those 'I'm lost, what do I do next?' kinds of moments. It's not 110% on rails though, you're given an objective, a task to complete or a place to get to, etc. but you still get to figure out how to get there
I'd recommend checking it out for sure! And if you like a more story based game, Fusion does provide some neat things on that side too
Thanks for the suggestion! Actually I’m hoping to play through all the 2D ones once Zero Mission comes to NSO
@@Kardino That's a good plan honestly! I too am hoping that they add Zero Mission to the roster at some point. That'd be really good for the accessibility of the whole storyline & older games in the series
Good luck with it though!
Hey,
Be sure to let me know what you think of this type of video. I’ve thought about doing “impressions” type stuff before but wasn’t sure how to format it in an entertaining way.
Wow, this video style is very good! I personally enjoy this! Keep up the good work, you are already doing these very well.
really enjoyed you going into your experience with getting into the game and being initially resistant. it was v relatable
I don't have enough 16-bit games in my life...
Now you need to try the GBA titles of Metroid Fusion and Metroid Zero Mission
If u wanna get into metroid start with metroid zero mission(it's a remake of the first one), then continue with the 2d series,and replay super metroid with a new perspective. As far as the prime trilogy is concerned in my opinion it's not as great as the 2d games but I believe the best thing u can do if your pc can handle it is to download dolphin emulator and play the trilogy with mouse and keyboard controls(there are many tutorials on how to set it up). Oh and don't be afraid to use emulators. Btw metroid 2 is kind of hard to get into(like the first one) so I'd suggest playing the fan made remake Am2r. Have fun
The Wii version of prime trilogy is over $100 ATM
Just recenly played the game, with no guide
Trust me, no need to wall jump, i never even found the springball
You should try AM2R!
Maybe one day. For now, I want to try out the other main games first!
Did Metroid Dread made you try this game out lol?
Actually, I played the fame a week before E3, but this video was delayed a bit. The timing couldn’t have been better though!
Bruh what's up with IGN lmao walljump is NOT required for springball
Someone else mentioned it’s used in speedruns? That’s my best guess
All these creators trying jump on the I never played a Metroid game bandwagon.
Haha yeah! Actually, by complete coincidence I had basically finished the video a few days before E3, but I delayed it since I posted something else that day. Convenient timing, though
Did you just say that prime trilogy hd would not be worth paying full price for?????
If you don’t have any other way of playing it, it’s probably worth it. But I already have the Wii version so it’d really just be a $60 convenience fee for me.
People said the same about Mario 3d All Stars.
@Random Duck Yeah. Didn't pick up that game either. 😄
@@Kardino now, if you had the entire Metroid saga prior to (and even, optionally, including) dread, so, the classic tetralogy, the prime hexalogy (the main trilogy, pinball, hunters, and federation force), and other m, and made that $60...?
I prefer Metroid Fusion; a real masterpiece. Super Metroid is great, though.
Honestly I found it very frustrating to play, pretty much because of the negative points you outlined. Been a long time since a game made me sigh so much lol.
Maybe I was just in a bitchy mindset - I had just finshed Zero Mission and had _hated_ everything from Tourian onwards - but I spent most of my playthrough buried in guides and area map JPEGs. I don't mind being lost, Dread was my first Metroid game and being lost dodnt bother me too much because it was a joy to play and navigating the world didnt take half as long as it does in Super. But being ground to a halt every 5 minutes (looking at you, Maridia!) got tiresome. By the time I reached Ridley's lair, I just wanted it to be over...
...And yet, strangely enough, I have a desire to play it again. The final boss was brilliant (even if it's basically a giant cutscene lol) the music was very memorable the silent/environmental storytelling was marvellous and the overall world design was undoubtedly a strength, albeit too frustrating for its own good.
It's still one of the greatest games of all time, even if I personally didn't enjoy it as much as I expected to. I want to love it like everyone else does, but I don't think I'm there yet. 🤷♂️
It's impossible to beat without guides lol
super metroid is not a perfect game at least to me. Dont get me wrong, the game is amazing and im saying that without finishing it yet, but my main problem with the game is the map, the bosses, and the way samas feels when she jumps and also how hard it is to pull off a wall jump.
The map is in a grid, which as most of ya'll know makes the rooms look like blocks, which leads to confusion on if rooms are connected or not. Oh and two other things about the map is that you cant see the full thing and compared to my favorite game of all time, Hollow Knight who really made you remember the areas by having the title of the area decorated at the top, I...... well now that im thinking about it, after maridia and coming back to the wrecked ship leading me to crateria and taking a elevator to overgrown brinistar and to lower brinistar and from backtracking all the way from crateria to norfair to finally defeat ridley. You know after defeating ridley I memorized most of the map, but not like I do for hollow knight.
But speaking of bosses like ridley lets talk bosses. To sum it up there kinda annoying, I mean you basically just spam at them they dont have strategy to them and when they do its really hard to pick up on. like for that you one boss you have to kill to get the space jump where you have to stumble upon the fact that you have to use your grappling beam to electrocute the boss. Or when you, for some reason have to get into a ball to escape ridleys clutch. Wait what, why couldn't they just let you get free hits on him and he'll let you go. And since using missiles were doing nothing I so happened to watch a video to help defeat the space pirates before the boss room and I figured out that my ice/charge/spasma beam worked way more.
Now for the jump, simple. When im jumping to tiny platform to tiny platform its something I cant explain... mainly because its 12:00 but the jump is annoying sometimes. And for the wall jump. If you train for a while you'll get much more better at it.
And to sum it all up, I wish the map was more like Hollow Knight's, I wish the bosses had more strategy and form like with most bosses in Hollow Knight and I wish there were more reads on the boss to better dodge there moves, I wish that the feel of samus was more like Hollow Knight, and I wish SilkSong could come out already....oh and im also exited for metroid dread.
Super Metroid had the very first map for a Metroidvania game, obviously they were still figuring it out. They got good from Metroid Fusion onwards.
Hollow Knight is a fast paced action game first and a metroidvania second.
Super Metroid is a much more methodical experience, making her as fast limber as the Knight would ruin the pace and mood of the game.
If you want a metroid game like that, play Zero Mission, it has exactly what you're asking for.
@@Cri_Jackal Metroid can be a fast paced game, just look at Metroid Dread. It wont be ruined because the game is built around that. And Hollow Knight is a methodical game too, with fast pace coming from the bosses and combat. Now should samus be faster in Super Metroid...no. But I do want her not to be so floaty.
You say you feel you need to stand up but you do know that you don't right? all you have to do is move yout wrist
I’ve actually got a much better setup now so maybe it’s time I give it another look…
0:07 - the NSO SNES App. Yeah, that's how you KNOW you're a fake fan. I got Super in THREE formats. The original cartridge, the SNES Mini, AND the 3DS just prior to the 3DS eShop shutdown. I been a fan since METROID II! I have seen this series' ups... and its downs... but here's the thing, I do NOT pay a subscription for my Metroid, END OF DISCUSSION.
I'm kind of surprised anyone would think Super Metroid is Hard. I've never had an issue with it.
"I like straightforward stuff"
Shows him playing fucking *Zelda*
Got it 👌
"Super Metroid is the best game ever made in all existence ever zomg that underwater sound quality zomg the slow and floaty physics zomg the ugly af world aesthetics yass qween inject that shit into my veeeeins!"
I just don't get it. You can say SM is good, even great, but a masterpiece? The best in series? No. Before Dread, sure, but not after. Dread has elevated everything about Metroid and brought it up to a new standard of not just quality but playability.
Dread = Hollow Knight > Fusion > Zero Mission > SR3DS > Super > Metroid & Metroid 2. Yell at me all you want, you fanboys are just wearing nostalgia glasses. Clunky floaty controls are not better than snappy crisp controls.
It's so overrated, and it's a bugged game
who hurt you
Half of the game is being lost not knowing what to do and where to go. So half the game is fun half the game is not. Ergo half the game is an F. Half the game is a C (bad controlls, bad map that misleads you, most enemies aren't fun) . Overall? F
Sorry, this game is garbage on so many levels imo, grew up a Mega Drive kid and now own both mini versions, stopped playing this game after an hour as bored out my skull
Very fair. A similar thing happens to me with a lot of other Metroid-Vania games
Unpopular opinion: Super Metroid is overrated, even for when it was released. The best thing it has is it's setting. The music is good too. Pretty much everything else is mediocre at best. The game is incredibly clunky, like unreasonably so. MegaMan X is from a similar era and style and controls flawlessly by comparison. Then there's the level design, it's just meh, it makes you back track a ton of times and apparently people have come to rationalize this into a good thing? It's lazy. Then the actual gameplay system, the physics of the game are terrible. Jumping sometimes is just a chore, it's not hard but laborious for someone who isn't on their 15th Speedrun this month. Then there is the wall jumping, it has too high of a failure rate to be used as a needed mechanic so why did they even bother putting it in the game? It's there but totally superfluous because of failed execution by Nintendo. It's fun jumping around shooting things and exploring for the first time, making it to the end on a blind Run with no guides was a pain though and I was left more with a feeling of abandonment and never wanting to play it again. I felt like because it is so highly regarded by nearly everyone I forced myself to play it to the end despite not liking it and that probably contributes to my ill will towards it, but at least I gave it a shot. I'd give it 5/10. Mediocre at best.
Going back to previous areas with new tooks to reach new items is the definition of the genre, if it were hust a straight horizontal progression of areas with no backtracking required then it would just be lazy and linear.
As for the physics, they are just something you have to get used to, fighting against them will just cause frustration, you'll have a much better time if you spend some time learning how the momemtum works, remember that running and then jumping carries over your speed into the jump.
And you've completely misunderstood wall jumping, wall jumping is not required in any part of the game, AT ALL, there is not a single part where you need to use it.
But if you can master it, it turns the high jump boots, space jump, and grapple beam into 100% optional items, this is why it's difficult to execute if you don't have the timing down, it's designed specifically to let you break the game, making it easy for anyone to perform wouldn't make sense.
Also, I assume you tried to pressing away from the wall and the jump button simultaneously, doing it like that will only multiply the chance for misinputting it, you're supposed to press away and _then_ immediately press jump, not at the same time, it's more of a quick one-two input, and from there you can just repeatedly jump up a single wall if your inputs are consistent.
Again, I know this sounds needlessly complicated, but that's intentional, making this technique easy to execute would be like making Akuma's Raging Demon a quarter-circle-punch input.
@@Cri_Jackal trust me I did not misunderstand wall jumping, I could execute it pretty easily by the end of the game. My point was that why have such a difficult maneuver in the game? If it is never required and is only used to "break the game" by doing in sections that it wasn't intended to be used it only creates frustration. Another ability would do it better so why bother? What they should have done is fleshed it out more in the game, made it easier and thus allowing for areas to use it. The best example of their idea here is the springball area, pretty large gap but enough to wall jump, get to the top and the enemies hit you and knock you down. So what you have to do is play twister with your fingers jumping back up and shooting them.
I'm not saying it's a bad game. Compare it to MMX though. Visually just as good, gameplay is tight and responsive. Hidden items and upgrades for you suit. Challenging level designs. Similar story with manipulated wall jump to reach areas early. I just think that the fans of Metroid place it a bit high than it deserves and that's alright. Just need to have my own grounded opinion.
@@jakeslamakowski6990 because it's fun, rewarding the player for mastering something difficult and using it to play the game in new ways it inherently fun, it's only frustrating if you want it to be.
If it took no skill then it would have no value.
"Another ability would do it better"
If your good at wall jumping then you'll never need said other ability, wall jumping allows you to beat the game while skipping several otherwise mandatory items, which will allow you to _get a better time,_ all metroid games are designed to be speedrun, the point of the wall jump is that it's a difficult technique that will drastically improve your time, and even outside of speedrunning it can still be used to to interesting skips on different playthroughs.
And regarding that area with the enemies at the top, momemtum is preserved no matter what your doing, simply angle up and shoot towards them after wall jumping, or just wall jump faster then they can fly towards you, or go into morph ball and use a power bomb, or just use the size of the morph ball to slio past them since your momentum will be preserved from the wall jump and you'll keep rising as long as you're still holding jump.
@@Cri_Jackal so much wrong with what you believe here.
Something being easier doesn't necessarily devalue it if it can be elevated by being more important or having actual gameplay use. It being frustrating to use is not something that people "want it to be" it is objectively frustrating to many people who play the game. It's use being ambiguous leads people to waste time trying to jump up places that they don't need to be wasting their time with. That is a flaw in design, no fault of a player wanting to be frustrated.
Secondly the game isn't/wasn't intended to be only a Speedrun game, the amount of secret areas and hidden items would completely counter that statement. Sonic games are Speedrun games by design and there isn't anything like Metroid's x-ray visor to find all the hidden paths. Speedrunning is what has kept Metroid relevant to this day but it wasn't purely the intention of the developers. Just because you can beat it fast doesn't mean that they only wanted you to play that way.
@@jakeslamakowski6990 if it's frustrating, then just don't do it, it's optional, that's the point, it's added complexity that rewards people who put in the effort.
If it were easy to use and implemented as a standard mechanic, then the Space Jump and High Jump would be redundant and have no reason to ever be obtained on a casual run, rather than avoiding them being a way of creating a hard mode through player choice outside of a difficulty selection.
And yes, Super Metroid is a slow and methodical collectathon, and a speedrun game, the player is free to choose which way they play the game, but the game is designed to facilitate both, with the wall jump, infinite bomb jump, and shinespark all being gate keeping tools to separate causal and expert play, as those tricks can very easily get a player stuck and forced to something even more complex to get out if they don't know what they're doing.
And just fyi, the 100% glitchless speedrun currently sits at about 1 hour 10 minutes, so you can even do both at the same time, like any other game, Super Metroid is one of the reasons why any% and 100% are even universal speedrun categories to begin with.