This video was very entertaining and it also sums up exactly how i felt when i first read the leaked article from GI. Hopefully 343 can learn from the epic fail that is reach and bring back the ranking system and a competitive playlist that plays much like halo 2 and halo 3. Lets hope this time around it won't be so noob friendly like COD and various other titles.
Oh I see. Thanks for clearing that up. Wish he had stayed to work on Halo 4. I truly truly TRULY loved the Halo theme song. It's going to be weird playing through the campaign without hearing that signature theme.
Armor lock does take reflexes to use, and it can't directly kill you, and you could have the same thing if you want, and if you don't, then you are just better suited for some other situation. You know, before, I was thinking, sure, I don't care about armor lock, but now, I know its a good thing, maybe some modifications should be made, but it helps encourage team play. Armor locking alone (generally) does little good, but with teammates around, its extremely useful.
Hey thanks so much for commenting on my video, even though it was just a reply to a comment that most of us would disagree with. Great job on the Halo Council and MLG in general! =D
I'm still there, and the only ability I have ever used is Sprint, other than the jetpack, which I only used on maps that brought in the vertical factor. I haven't played Reach in a while, but as of last month, I still hold about a 1.5 KD ratio, close to 20,000 kills, and my top weapons go in the order of DMR, Pistol, Melee, Sniper, Needle Rifle, and Assault Rifle. My power weapon kills are very much sparse. Do I suck? Because looking at my stats, I certainly think I don't.
yea again i completely agree, how do you think they could tone down the armour abilties they have currently in the game then to make them more balanced
Hey guys! It's almost been a year since this video was uploaded and it's seen a ton amount of success! Thanks so much everyone! I was thinking of making another one, sort of a continuation...a "one year later" version, if you will. What do you think of that?
Customizable loadouts: no Random weapon spawn: Frankie clarified on NeoGAF that the when isn't random, only the where. Even then, I think the spawns would be confined to certain zones. Armor Abilities: Some just need a little tweaking. I can't believe anyone would hate on the jetpack though. Sprint is standard: We don't know how fast it will be or the recharge rate. I am withholding judgement for now.
How about we wait and see whether it's actually in competitive playlists first? It's going to have some rhyme and reason to it so I'm pretty sure you can still memorize weapon spawns if you're dedicated enough, and even though I don't like having waypoints for them as it lessens the skill gap I feel like in casual playlists it would be okay. Why does everyone assume all the changes will be implemented across the board rather than only in certain playlists?
there is still time, about 4-5 months left i believe. they can tweak some things by then or at least make that playlist i was talking about with no perks or abilities
I never said gameplay IS the setting of the game I said the gameplay videos that have been released are of the background of the game, where and when the game takes place, what your role is in the game, etc.
what do you think about the proposed changes that it lists in the video above with custom loadouts etc. yea the gameplay is relativly old, id say it feels more like halo 2 than 1 and its a tried and tested method that worked so they recycled it. true if 343 failed on this game halo would be done for so dont you think its a little stupid putting AA in the new game when that was the reason the last one failed. there are no new AA in H4 just the same ones. i gave it a chance with reach, it failed
Eh, well. They'll probably restrict in-game joining to the less competitive playlists, then. Either that or games likes invasion and BTB, where you might actually need those extra players to win. I'm just hoping they have some sort of Battlefield-style maps with a "Battle" gametype or something in one of the new games.
HAHAHA I loved that bit on the end my god that was funny! But seriously I do agree I really hope they remember what it was that made Halo such a loved game and not try to copy a different successful game because up till they started doing that it was just simple and exciting (with a phenomenal story and characters) and you need games like that.
When they have the guy from MGS2 doing audio, An oscar-nominated composer doing the soundtrack, improved weapon damage, visuals, crafted world, the promise of a second campaign that guarantees free add-on missions in episodic structure over the course of weeks, an improved multiplayer suite that promises rock-paper scissor style Armor Abilities, choose between the DMR and the BR, even more weapons, a return to Halo 3 style health, radar, HUD, and new gametypes, how could they fail?
interesting why do you feel that, which game did you start playing halo on. i started with 3 and reach has a lower skill curve with the armour abilities
Hey thanks for sticking up for me. Yeah, I am totally for Halo 4 and the direction it was and is still going in! I have full faith in 343 and am extremely excited to see what the final product is like! I just wanted to make a video that appealed to the largest audience without being targeting too specific individuals. (Although the part about the music by Marty O Donnell is my own personal thoughts xD).
That is incorrect, the man who composed the Inception theme was Hans Zimmer, the composer for Halo 4 is Niel Davidge, they announced that today. Check Waypoint's CZcams channel for a small soundtrack sample.
See, this is what Frank O'Conner was talking about in an interview at E3. He said it's surprising how fans get these ideas that some feature is born of a single game that uses them: CoD, in this instance. He also said that they wouldn't have put them in if they hadn't judged them balanced or fun enough, and that, to be honest, the game developers often do know what's better for a game than the fans. Just trust that they'll get it right, because they probably will.
no problem dude, youve got a great point but the problem i have with for instance jetpack is it negates map movement and control as well as grenade placement
but thats only if your far away, if its a one on one battle close up they reign down nades and an assault rifles and youre dead. might have weaknesses but all the abilities strengths outweigh the weaknesses
I guess they could but imo if you're going to have aa's they should be pick ups if they are going to implement it and that would calm down all the b's an go back to power control and aa's would just be considered as equipment like back in halo 3.
Half correct. Spartan Ops is a collection of missions being released over the course of weeks that represents a second campaign with storyline and established Characters. 343 has already stated that it is possible that a firefight scenario will appear as objectives within these missions.
Just to say about the marty thing, the reason he isn't there is because he doesn't want to. When 343 was put together, they decided which Bungie members would move to 343, or stay with Bungie. Marty decided to stay with Bungie, so they had no choice but to get a new composer.
I agree with what your saying about how ranks in halo 3 mean something but if its just ganna be totally like halo 3 where your whole team has to win and no matter how well you do you and your team just sucks your punished. I just think they should upgrade it.
Yes, people remember that, but I think that armor abilities are a much better idea. They allow for more dynamic combat by allowing more common and appropriate use of "equipment". This way people don't need to worry too much about using pick-ups because they know they will still have them later.
The only reason they didn't use the Halo 3 ranking system was because of the loop holes that use could use to shoot up a few ranks. But other than that it was excellent and I prefer it over Halo Reach
If it's rank you're worried about, they've already said they're making a new system better than the one in H3 and Reach. As for the other stuff, it's already proven quite different from CoD enough to allay most fans' fear.
everybody tweet this vid to the devs though, they have got to be aware of this because even though this is for entertainment a lot of people also agree with what is said in the video
Besides, Armor Lock was always easy to work your way around by counting to three, tossing a grenade and mopping up. Usually the grenade does the job. As for hologram, the key is watching for a grey dot on the radar. If the kill looks too good to be true, it probably is, which I have always done. As for cloak, always remain stationary and wait for the dots to disappear. Once you nail which one is real, hunt them down. Jetpacks? Skeet Shooting. AAs actually made it EASIER for me to kill people!
No radar adds to the skill requirement. (1) You have to work with your team. (2) You have to learn how your enemies think and act. (3) It encourages faster gameplay and discourages camping. (If you camp too much in a playlist without radar you will get completely destroyed, whereas in a playlist with radar you will probably win).
Why, don't you like change? I mean I'm not too hot on the instant spawning and joining in progress but the loadouts could work if they do it well. In non-ranked it doesn't have to be perfectly balanced, just enough so that it's not obvious but still with some variety.
If the custom classes only make things look better for spawn weapons like a different scope style for the BR and DMR its not so bad, but if it gives someone an adventage it needs to go.
with halo 3 and 1 you'd agree that halo has always been about balance and fairness. the whole point was that everyone started out the same and then skill won. armour abilities negate that. jetpack and armourlock negate grenades and jetpack negates map movement. sprint coupled with bloom negated peoples mistakes and invisibility means they can do whatever they want from distance. how would you fix the armour abilties
True, but the rank dictates if you as a team were good. Not the player himself but the team and anyone can "back pack" it pretty much. If you a great team.
personally, I think if I had the ability to, I would actually play multiplayer because of the abilities, I didn't like the rank up junk because people could too easily abuse it by playing with friends who were all worse than them. The armor abilities even the playing field a bit.
I'll believe it when I see it working. Even if they do bring a decent skill based rank system, if this stupid idea of mid game player joins is applied to most playlists then it won't matter.
Halo 1 - Revolutionized the gaming world. Brought the FPS genre to the console, perfected the controls, and gave us a compelling story. It also had multiplayer that was before Xbox Live... Halo 2 - Gave us more story, more multiplayer and was beautiful for the old generation consoles. It also gave us a huge cliffhanger. Halo 3- Gave us an excellent ending, awesome multiplayer, and equipment. Halo ODST- NATHAN FILLION! Also firefight and awesome story (con't)
You all played social so I still struggled to find a game in some ranked playlists. It was nothing like what Halo 3 was when it was nearing the release of Halo Reach never mind at it's peak
Point blank is, and should be its only strong area, like the sawed-off. I think the sawed-off is fine, just that wall-bouncing exploit is a pain. I mean, I also think it should do some damage at mid range, but not as much as it does right now, and it should obviously be less accurate. I agree with the different weapons for different situations thing, but if you've noticed, most Gears players have a Gnasher complex and use only that gun, for obvious reasons... It's infuriating.
man i really wish Bungie was back to make Halo 4 :( i mean i know that their staff is working for 343 industries but when it comes to Bungie it feels like halo again :)
I have to agree, but it would need to the saddest, most badass, most self-sacrificing death in the history of existence. It would need to have a reason, not just a 'fight to the end'.
I'M FUCKING TOTALLY AGREE with comegetsome117. Don't be afraid, change is for those of us that want something new to our Halo games, rather than letting them become like CoD which never changes....
Managing to reach the mid to high forties in LW certainly does not make one casual. Reaching high rank legitimately without buying an account certainly does set apart those who game for dominance and those who game for fun. Once you get that far up in the rankings, it becomes increasingly hard to reach 50, and it is true for every gametype.
"He's just mad because he cant pull host with his german connection" - so true...
This video was very entertaining and it also sums up exactly how i felt when i first read the leaked article from GI. Hopefully 343 can learn from the epic fail that is reach and bring back the ranking system and a competitive playlist that plays much like halo 2 and halo 3. Lets hope this time around it won't be so noob friendly like COD and various other titles.
Thank you for making this video... It pretty much said EVERYTHING my friends and I have been saying these last couple of days. :)
That could not be a more better and conveniently appropriate gamer tag
My thoughts exactly! I know there's a real possibility I'll have to eat my words, but what could they possibly think of that would ruin it more?
Oh I see. Thanks for clearing that up. Wish he had stayed to work on Halo 4. I truly truly TRULY loved the Halo theme song. It's going to be weird playing through the campaign without hearing that signature theme.
Armor lock does take reflexes to use, and it can't directly kill you, and you could have the same thing if you want, and if you don't, then you are just better suited for some other situation. You know, before, I was thinking, sure, I don't care about armor lock, but now, I know its a good thing, maybe some modifications should be made, but it helps encourage team play. Armor locking alone (generally) does little good, but with teammates around, its extremely useful.
No truer words have ever been spoken... great video
The holy momment when master chief takes off his helmet and shows his face
Hey thanks so much for commenting on my video, even though it was just a reply to a comment that most of us would disagree with. Great job on the Halo Council and MLG in general! =D
LOOOVE IT! Great video. Perfect choice of translation! ;)
agreed, playlists like big team, infections and grifball probably could use in game join, but not the main slayer playlists and competitive ones.
''Unfriggenbelievable!''
I fucking lold at that
The end made me lol, I stopped playing Reach and bought SC2 in November!
I'm still there, and the only ability I have ever used is Sprint, other than the jetpack, which I only used on maps that brought in the vertical factor. I haven't played Reach in a while, but as of last month, I still hold about a 1.5 KD ratio, close to 20,000 kills, and my top weapons go in the order of DMR, Pistol, Melee, Sniper, Needle Rifle, and Assault Rifle. My power weapon kills are very much sparse. Do I suck? Because looking at my stats, I certainly think I don't.
@Shenyslap The graphics are amazing, it is almost impossible to see the pixel blocks.
I'm still trying to figure out what you just said...
yea again i completely agree, how do you think they could tone down the armour abilties they have currently in the game then to make them more balanced
lost it at the host reference
you forgot the smg and duel wielding combinations
Hey guys! It's almost been a year since this video was uploaded and it's seen a ton amount of success! Thanks so much everyone! I was thinking of making another one, sort of a continuation...a "one year later" version, if you will. What do you think of that?
Customizable loadouts: no
Random weapon spawn: Frankie clarified on NeoGAF that the when isn't random, only the where. Even then, I think the spawns would be confined to certain zones.
Armor Abilities: Some just need a little tweaking. I can't believe anyone would hate on the jetpack though.
Sprint is standard: We don't know how fast it will be or the recharge rate. I am withholding judgement for now.
How about we wait and see whether it's actually in competitive playlists first? It's going to have some rhyme and reason to it so I'm pretty sure you can still memorize weapon spawns if you're dedicated enough, and even though I don't like having waypoints for them as it lessens the skill gap I feel like in casual playlists it would be okay.
Why does everyone assume all the changes will be implemented across the board rather than only in certain playlists?
there is still time, about 4-5 months left i believe. they can tweak some things by then or at least make that playlist i was talking about with no perks or abilities
I never said gameplay IS the setting of the game I said the gameplay videos that have been released are of the background of the game, where and when the game takes place, what your role is in the game, etc.
what do you think about the proposed changes that it lists in the video above with custom loadouts etc. yea the gameplay is relativly old, id say it feels more like halo 2 than 1 and its a tried and tested method that worked so they recycled it. true if 343 failed on this game halo would be done for so dont you think its a little stupid putting AA in the new game when that was the reason the last one failed. there are no new AA in H4 just the same ones. i gave it a chance with reach, it failed
dude read the description it's only for entertainment
Eh, well. They'll probably restrict in-game joining to the less competitive playlists, then. Either that or games likes invasion and BTB, where you might actually need those extra players to win.
I'm just hoping they have some sort of Battlefield-style maps with a "Battle" gametype or something in one of the new games.
"if you are against these armor abilities, leave the room "
Forever alone
HAHAHA I loved that bit on the end my god that was funny! But seriously I do agree I really hope they remember what it was that made Halo such a loved game and not try to copy a different successful game because up till they started doing that it was just simple and exciting (with a phenomenal story and characters) and you need games like that.
When they have the guy from MGS2 doing audio, An oscar-nominated composer doing the soundtrack, improved weapon damage, visuals, crafted world, the promise of a second campaign that guarantees free add-on missions in episodic structure over the course of weeks, an improved multiplayer suite that promises rock-paper scissor style Armor Abilities, choose between the DMR and the BR, even more weapons, a return to Halo 3 style health, radar, HUD, and new gametypes, how could they fail?
Thanks for the love guys
interesting why do you feel that, which game did you start playing halo on. i started with 3 and reach has a lower skill curve with the armour abilities
because all the good players already abandoned ship and went back to halo 2 or halo 3, they needed that playlist from launch day
Hows gears of war working out with their new SOS and Retro?
Hey thanks for sticking up for me. Yeah, I am totally for Halo 4 and the direction it was and is still going in! I have full faith in 343 and am extremely excited to see what the final product is like! I just wanted to make a video that appealed to the largest audience without being targeting too specific individuals. (Although the part about the music by Marty O Donnell is my own personal thoughts xD).
That is incorrect, the man who composed the Inception theme was Hans Zimmer, the composer for Halo 4 is Niel Davidge, they announced that today. Check Waypoint's CZcams channel for a small soundtrack sample.
See, this is what Frank O'Conner was talking about in an interview at E3. He said it's surprising how fans get these ideas that some feature is born of a single game that uses them: CoD, in this instance. He also said that they wouldn't have put them in if they hadn't judged them balanced or fun enough, and that, to be honest, the game developers often do know what's better for a game than the fans.
Just trust that they'll get it right, because they probably will.
What movie is this from
All I want is for them to get rid of is; 1. Weapon drops 2. Join in-game sessions 3. Custom classes 4. Instant respawn if it is not only in FFA
I know but some people think that it is going to suck because there is too much change
We need the halo community to express there views now more than ever.
no problem dude, youve got a great point but the problem i have with for instance jetpack is it negates map movement and control as well as grenade placement
but thats only if your far away, if its a one on one battle close up they reign down nades and an assault rifles and youre dead. might have weaknesses but all the abilities strengths outweigh the weaknesses
"Don't worry. He's just mad because he can't pull host with his German connection." - XD
I guess they could but imo if you're going to have aa's they should be pick ups if they are going to implement it and that would calm down all the b's an go back to power control and aa's would just be considered as equipment like back in halo 3.
those who are arrogant of change are doomed to perish
What movie is this from? If...it was without teh Halo 4 "reaction"
Half correct. Spartan Ops is a collection of missions being released over the course of weeks that represents a second campaign with storyline and established Characters. 343 has already stated that it is possible that a firefight scenario will appear as objectives within these missions.
Just to say about the marty thing, the reason he isn't there is because he doesn't want to. When 343 was put together, they decided which Bungie members would move to 343, or stay with Bungie. Marty decided to stay with Bungie, so they had no choice but to get a new composer.
I agree with what your saying about how ranks in halo 3 mean something but if its just ganna be totally like halo 3 where your whole team has to win and no matter how well you do you and your team just sucks your punished. I just think they should upgrade it.
what kind of numbers? 20k? 30k?
Yes, people remember that, but I think that armor abilities are a much better idea. They allow for more dynamic combat by allowing more common and appropriate use of "equipment". This way people don't need to worry too much about using pick-ups because they know they will still have them later.
The only reason they didn't use the Halo 3 ranking system was because of the loop holes that use could use to shoot up a few ranks. But other than that it was excellent and I prefer it over Halo Reach
If it's rank you're worried about, they've already said they're making a new system better than the one in H3 and Reach.
As for the other stuff, it's already proven quite different from CoD enough to allay most fans' fear.
love these vids.
everybody tweet this vid to the devs though, they have got to be aware of this because even though this is for entertainment a lot of people also agree with what is said in the video
I'm german and understand every word they say ... somehow i can't use the subtitles when i hear something comepletely different
This is the best video ever made.
Besides, Armor Lock was always easy to work your way around by counting to three, tossing a grenade and mopping up. Usually the grenade does the job. As for hologram, the key is watching for a grey dot on the radar. If the kill looks too good to be true, it probably is, which I have always done. As for cloak, always remain stationary and wait for the dots to disappear. Once you nail which one is real, hunt them down. Jetpacks? Skeet Shooting. AAs actually made it EASIER for me to kill people!
i had halo ever since the relesce and im still playing it
did you not READ THE INTRO TEXT?
UNFRIGGENBELIEVABLE!
No radar adds to the skill requirement. (1) You have to work with your team. (2) You have to learn how your enemies think and act. (3) It encourages faster gameplay and discourages camping. (If you camp too much in a playlist without radar you will get completely destroyed, whereas in a playlist with radar you will probably win).
I dont armor lock is comin back and the jetpack I hear is just for evasive maneuvers so most of the noob stuff is gone
That's only because at lower ranks you could go up several skill levels per game
Why, don't you like change? I mean I'm not too hot on the instant spawning and joining in progress but the loadouts could work if they do it well. In non-ranked it doesn't have to be perfectly balanced, just enough so that it's not obvious but still with some variety.
UNFRIKKINGBELIEVABLE!!!!
If the custom classes only make things look better for spawn weapons like a different scope style for the BR and DMR its not so bad, but if it gives someone an adventage it needs to go.
most reading ive done this year...
I have. But I think people really want an upgraded halo 3 engine rather than an upgraded reach engine.
with halo 3 and 1 you'd agree that halo has always been about balance and fairness. the whole point was that everyone started out the same and then skill won. armour abilities negate that. jetpack and armourlock negate grenades and jetpack negates map movement. sprint coupled with bloom negated peoples mistakes and invisibility means they can do whatever they want from distance. how would you fix the armour abilties
"Don't worry. He's just mad because he can't pull host with his German connection." LOL!
That was fucking beast! The only thing I didn't like was the wording at the end makes it seem like 343 did Reach.
You should make a video about Call of Duty's Dead mans hand :)
True, but the rank dictates if you as a team were good. Not the player himself but the team and anyone can "back pack" it pretty much. If you a great team.
what article is this referring to?
And you know what? This game sounds like it's going to be a total blast to play!
"Don't worry. He's just mad because he can't pull host with his German connection" was the best line xD
personally, I think if I had the ability to, I would actually play multiplayer because of the abilities, I didn't like the rank up junk because people could too easily abuse it by playing with friends who were all worse than them. The armor abilities even the playing field a bit.
Everyone who does not agree with the armor abilities, leave the room.
I love the pulling host comment. Lol!
well, it is strange when basically a super human can't run faster than normal humans...
I'll believe it when I see it working. Even if they do bring a decent skill based rank system, if this stupid idea of mid game player joins is applied to most playlists then it won't matter.
It's almost guaranteed that a vanilla gametype will be there where people start with predetermined weapons and no abilities.
Someone wanna start a petition?
Halo 1 - Revolutionized the gaming world. Brought the FPS genre to the console, perfected the controls, and gave us a compelling story. It also had multiplayer that was before Xbox Live...
Halo 2 - Gave us more story, more multiplayer and was beautiful for the old generation consoles. It also gave us a huge cliffhanger.
Halo 3- Gave us an excellent ending, awesome multiplayer, and equipment.
Halo ODST- NATHAN FILLION! Also firefight and awesome story
(con't)
They should use Halo 3's ranking system, but keep a seperate rank that accumulates spartan points for Purchasing armour.
He hasn't even played the game yet and somehow knows it doesn't "feel" like Halo?
You all played social so I still struggled to find a game in some ranked playlists. It was nothing like what Halo 3 was when it was nearing the release of Halo Reach never mind at it's peak
This is a product of its time
Point blank is, and should be its only strong area, like the sawed-off. I think the sawed-off is fine, just that wall-bouncing exploit is a pain. I mean, I also think it should do some damage at mid range, but not as much as it does right now, and it should obviously be less accurate.
I agree with the different weapons for different situations thing, but if you've noticed, most Gears players have a Gnasher complex and use only that gun, for obvious reasons... It's infuriating.
man i really wish Bungie was back to make Halo 4 :( i mean i know that their staff is working for 343 industries but when it comes to Bungie it feels like halo again :)
If halo keeps this up itself might become a COD In of itself
at least they took out armor lock
I have to agree, but it would need to the saddest, most badass, most self-sacrificing death in the history of existence. It would need to have a reason, not just a 'fight to the end'.
I'M FUCKING TOTALLY AGREE with comegetsome117. Don't be afraid, change is for those of us that want something new to our Halo games, rather than letting them become like CoD which never changes....
no slayer pro, is a 'classic' Halo 3-Reach gametype.
3 months later...it was a joke. It's quite funny that so many people disliked it.
Managing to reach the mid to high forties in LW certainly does not make one casual. Reaching high rank legitimately without buying an account certainly does set apart those who game for dominance and those who game for fun. Once you get that far up in the rankings, it becomes increasingly hard to reach 50, and it is true for every gametype.