Kongo spawning next to you with 166 science per turn and declaring war on you is the equivalent of encountering the end game boss in the tutorial and dying to a scripted death.
What I like with Civ 6 is the possibility to enact improbable historical situations such as the Turks and the Greeks being at each other's throat for centuries
0:37 Historical revisionism at its finest :) Potato playing his own disaster save file is amazing. The vacillation between "We're OK" and "We're dead" was sending me on a roller-coaster of emotions. This episode put the "drama" in "dramatic ages."
But greece actually invaded turkey about 100 years ago. Greece reached near ankara almost captured the new turkish assembly there but it was defeated by a surprise attack and retreated after losing their line. The britain could not support them, it was tired after ww1 and had been focusing on negotiations regarding germany, and more importantly, borders of middle east. So they couldnt back up greece and they only occupied constantinople. Once turkey gave up on oil heavy areas, the british left constantinople without fighting turkish again.
@@anilkarakaya9343 And turkey invaded greece 500 years ago. And Germany invaded France 50 years ago. Who cares about old wars. Stop being a dumb nationalist revanchist
@@weks Considering that glass was not a thing in those times, it was literally a hole in the wall with some manner of covering. Close the "eye" the wind stays out, open the "eye" the wind comes in.
Norse etymology is so satisfying. Kennings I think these are called. Learned about them in AP English when we read Beowulf and Grendel. Whale-road always stuck out to me as being a really cool way of saying sea, as did honey-dog for bears.
@@hakonandreasolaussen1949 Ah, my mind goes to transparent glass panel when I think window, so I was thinking of peasant house instead of glass in general. Yeah, glass by itself is not too hard to get, though don't expect good glass out of crappy material/technique.
@@norandomnumbers oh I'm just joking around as I've noticed that if there's any chance he can pivot to a tourism game he will xD As for your games, its all about what you enjoy the most :)
"A devastating monument to my own incompetence as a civilization 6 player" I've played for 1,500 hours and I barely know what I'm doing on regular difficulty
The reason your second neighbour tends to be powerful might be because you tend to get in a war with your closest neighbour, letting the other civ sim freely without any war for a few eras, with one side of their empire entirely safe.
the English word “window” has its origins in the Old Norse word “vindauga”, and it literally means “wind-eye” (“vind” and “auga” evolved phonetically into “wind” and “ow“, respectively)
There's always the one "200 science by 100 turns" civ and it's often not the one next to me, because my neighbor is the one that fights me at the start (99% their fault) and delays their own development. Also it's always Lautaro or Mvemba a Nzinga.
Since the latest DLC this is every game for me on Diety. I have managed only 2 Domination wins since it was released. I can eek out the occasional science victory, but have mostly won diplomatically. The AI doesn't have to even have science buildings and still has double my science. It is insane!
Please God, give me more of potato just ranting at the screen and talking about window etymology while the world is burning around him. This is what I needed
Now, to be fair: The AI sending a Settler to settle right on top of you is ABSOLUTELY grounds for war. It wasn't even going to be a good city either, they were headed North.
Window means "Wind eye" and comes from old norse. Infact, the old Swedish word is exacrly "wind eye" )Vindöga). But since the language got Germanized, it got changed to "Fönster" from German "Fenster"
First time in a while that I watched a full episode of Civ. These seemingly hopeless games are very entertaining, as the ones that're smooth sailing can get boring after a while xD Yes, I enjoy thy suffering and the process of making something out of it and perhaps pulling off the win! This is a good formula for entertainment ngl
Honestly this game reminds me of my own game with some friends a few days ago. Started very close to two enemy civs in a terrible starting location, both immediately started forward settling me, and got huge militaries real fast, and also a stupidly high science and culture lead, while I was stuck on 1 terrible city. By turn 60 I barely managed to get a second (terrible) city out, while my neighbors were both on 6-8 cities, had about 500 higher military scores, about 80 science and culture leads, and had also completely killed off and razed all the city states I was relying on. We decided to just nope out and go next
'window' comes from the old germanic word 'windauge' which translates pretty directly to wind-eye, cause it was a literal hole in your house (this is pre glass windows). german doesnt actually use that word any more nowadays, instead our word for window is 'fenster' which comes from the latin 'fenestra'. french also took over the romanic root with fenêtre (note the accent circonflexe over the second 'e', a sign that this letter used to be followed by an 's'). that's why the english word for the act of throwing somebody out of a window is 'defenestration' :)
This sort of thing has happened to me so often that seeing it happen to the game's best player - and hearing you say you'd just restart if you weren't recording - is so affirming! I'm definitely here for this content - and to see if/how you turn it into a win...
To answer the etymology question: window (n.) c. 1200, literally "wind eye," from Old Norse vindauga, from vindr "wind" (see wind (n.1)) + auga "eye" (from PIE root *okw- "to see"). Replaced Old English eagþyrl, literally "eye-hole," and eagduru, literally "eye-door." Compare Old Frisian andern "window," literally "breath-door." Originally an unglazed hole in a roof. Most Germanic languages later adopted a version of Latin fenestra to describe the glass version (such as German Fenster, Swedish fönster), and English used fenester as a parallel word till mid-16c. Window dressing in reference to shop windows is recorded from 1853; figurative sense is by 1898. Window seat is attested from 1778. Window of opportunity (1979) is from earlier figurative use in U.S. space program, such as launch window (1963). Window-shopping is recorded from 1904. SRC: etymonline.com
Historically, being in constant wars of expansion while barely holding onto your empire with the very tips of your fingernails is entirely appropriate for the Ottomans
Potato steadily going over to the dark side as his passion for culture victories dwindles every time an AI throws yet another early war in his face. You love to see it!
It would be interesting to see you take a quick gander at the changes in Dune Spice Wars. I love to hear your take on the new updates and maybe see a multiplayer game.
Window i belive comes from old norse vindöga (wind eye) which is the hole on the top of the short side of a house that smoke could flow through like a chimney, so basicly an ”eye” in the wall that wind and smoke passes throught
This is my favorite civ 6 game ever so far! Please potato more of these! I figure most of player would just restart a lot earlier then you did (maybe even yourself) but thanks to the purpose of the game aiming to showcase life in bad situation…. Did I say just bad? Anyway… I do think the tech shuffle mode is the hardest single option to challenge a deity player. The only advantage of human player vs AI is planning but this mode takes it away. Much more fair to the AI I would say…. Can’t wait to see if potato can turn the tide.
I think it would be really interesting if you forked at this point and played both options in two separate video series.. One where you hunker down and late game Congo, and one where you head down south and take out the others first. Wound be super interesting to compare the two strategies 👍
Potato just described all of my deity Dom games (outside of Basil II). Either my 2 closest neighbors are bloodthirsty scientists or I'm getting tossed around by barbarian hordes. Sometimes both.
I'm surprised you didn't peace Kongo out after the Emergency failed. I mean, it worked out because he only sent a token force that got obliterated by a river flooding, but the AI is usually willing to accept a White Peace after an Emergency finishes.
It has been a long since the last time I saw Potato struggles this much. Potato's endless screams and whiny really brought me joy. Thank you, no offense!
This entire episode brilliantly displays how broken AF civ6 really is. I still love it, but god is it broken with little to no attempt made to fix it despite a huge lifespan.
I’ve been watching potato for years and I’ve never even considered watching a episode twice. I’ve seen the last ep 3 times, and I’ll watch this again tomorrow. I can hear his pain and for some sadistic reason I find it hilarious….. sorry..
more of this please, such an entertaining game. i suck at civ and this is how my games feel all the time, so hearing you react to each new challenge is amazing.
Can you use these past two episodes to go back and analyze your war strategy for our benefit? You really successfully leveraged less powerful units to your advantage which is not something I feel like I can do nearly as well. Would love to know how you decide your maneuvering and fight selection
Knowing someone who knows how to do stuff is a function of how much stuff you need done. As you get older, you likely are responsible for more things like house, car, etc..
Potato, this is brilliant. Have you ever considered a multiverse type video link where when you have the option to pivot in your games, you end up doing both in separate video series? So for example, you can either pivot in this or go on with domination, I personally would love to see both sides, esp from someone with your skillset. Obviously it's a lot more hours for you, but may be fun?
Window comes from the Vikings arrived in England. At that time the houses simply had holes in the building - making them “vid-öga” in english: wind-eye
Windows are called such because before glass, they let the wind in. People just used shutters if it got cold. Also, wanna point out the accuracy of Greece coming under Ottoman rule.
Fun Fact: The word window acctually orgins swedish and it means like wind eye. Ancient houses used to have it for the smoke of fires indoors. And then, i think the vikings spread it. (think this is true, I did learn it in like the third grade)
Window comes from “wind eye” which I think is Anglo Saxon, idea being that you want to let a bit of wind see the inside of your house when open (been a long time since I looked into etymology so I could be wrong but I think that’s right)
Etymology of Window: The English word “window” has its origins in the Old Norse word “vindauga”, and it literally means “wind-eye” (“vind” and “auga” evolved phonetically into “wind” and “ow“, respectively).
Probably because it's a eye in a wall for wind to pass through. Considering the long house needed them for smile to leave the long houses, that explains why it originally came from Norse language
I have an idea for a civs mode: it’s one era mode, with more specific techs for the era so you can still be ahead technologically and that way it would be fun to have battles with swords man in the late game and not be behind
Greece invaded us is a interesting way of describing what happened
Something-something, roleplaying, something something.
Was just about to say. . . that's not how I remember it! LOL
He came close to me with a threatening settler. This war crime will not stand.
Greece invaded us....with a settler
I covet your lands!
Kongo spawning next to you with 166 science per turn and declaring war on you is the equivalent of encountering the end game boss in the tutorial and dying to a scripted death.
So just like Dark Souls?
@@OTG1988 No scripted deaths in Dark Souls, though there is in Demons' Souls, Sekiro, and Elden Ring funnily enough.
@@LoudWaffle *cough cough* Seath *cough cough*
@@windflier1684 Not the tutorial lol
"Greece invaded us"
The settler who made Bursa: "Are you sure about that?"
Bursa who? All I see is a smoking crater.
They did take that tribal village Potato intended to take with his scout...
sounds like russia when they invaded ukraine "nato were invading us"
@@vender68 yeah but Russia wasn't making that up
The truth? Sure I'll silence myself like the people of Germany under Hitler. That sure worked out for the world didn't it?
Watching that city state appear out of nowhere with a catapult and swordsman and just delete that city is brutal but hilarious
What I like with Civ 6 is the possibility to enact improbable historical situations such as the Turks and the Greeks being at each other's throat for centuries
0:37 Historical revisionism at its finest :)
Potato playing his own disaster save file is amazing. The vacillation between "We're OK" and "We're dead" was sending me on a roller-coaster of emotions. This episode put the "drama" in "dramatic ages."
"Greece invaded us"😆
But greece actually invaded turkey about 100 years ago. Greece reached near ankara almost captured the new turkish assembly there but it was defeated by a surprise attack and retreated after losing their line. The britain could not support them, it was tired after ww1 and had been focusing on negotiations regarding germany, and more importantly, borders of middle east. So they couldnt back up greece and they only occupied constantinople. Once turkey gave up on oil heavy areas, the british left constantinople without fighting turkish again.
@@anilkarakaya9343 that's an interesting civ game you are describing here. What mod are you using to add world wars into the game?
@@danzoom closing the pc, friend
@@anilkarakaya9343 And turkey invaded greece 500 years ago. And Germany invaded France 50 years ago. Who cares about old wars. Stop being a dumb nationalist revanchist
I know it's painful but....I am really enjoying this series. It's like, you never know what's going to happen next but you know it's going to be bad.
Window comes from an old norse etymology: Vindr = wind + Auga = Eye. Window = Vindrauga
So it's an eye that can see wind?
@@weks Considering that glass was not a thing in those times, it was literally a hole in the wall with some manner of covering. Close the "eye" the wind stays out, open the "eye" the wind comes in.
Norse etymology is so satisfying. Kennings I think these are called. Learned about them in AP English when we read Beowulf and Grendel. Whale-road always stuck out to me as being a really cool way of saying sea, as did honey-dog for bears.
@@tortex1 The norse (vikings) absolutely had glass, but it was too expensive to be wasted on windows
@@hakonandreasolaussen1949 Ah, my mind goes to transparent glass panel when I think window, so I was thinking of peasant house instead of glass in general.
Yeah, glass by itself is not too hard to get, though don't expect good glass out of crappy material/technique.
You had disaster intensity set to 4 which is why the volcano had a 2 tile blast radius
did it hit two tiles away? what tile got hit? i have even paused but cant see the tile that is 2 tile away
did another re watch of it and finally saw that the archer dropped in hp.
I'm just waiting for Potato's inevitable pivot to a tourism game xD
Oh this is a thing? I've only very recently started Civ 6 and most of my games tend to turn towards tourism.
@@norandomnumbers oh I'm just joking around as I've noticed that if there's any chance he can pivot to a tourism game he will xD As for your games, its all about what you enjoy the most :)
"A devastating monument to my own incompetence as a civilization 6 player" I've played for 1,500 hours and I barely know what I'm doing on regular difficulty
The reason your second neighbour tends to be powerful might be because you tend to get in a war with your closest neighbour, letting the other civ sim freely without any war for a few eras, with one side of their empire entirely safe.
the English word “window” has its origins in the Old Norse word “vindauga”, and it literally means “wind-eye” (“vind” and “auga” evolved phonetically into “wind” and “ow“, respectively)
Sometimes cursed games are the best games! The Courser spawn and endless war are just icing on the cake 😂
There's always the one "200 science by 100 turns" civ and it's often not the one next to me, because my neighbor is the one that fights me at the start (99% their fault) and delays their own development.
Also it's always Lautaro or Mvemba a Nzinga.
Since the latest DLC this is every game for me on Diety. I have managed only 2 Domination wins since it was released. I can eek out the occasional science victory, but have mostly won diplomatically. The AI doesn't have to even have science buildings and still has double my science. It is insane!
God I love you. How you manage to make watching someone play Civ VI entertaining is one of the great mysteries of the universe.
Please God, give me more of potato just ranting at the screen and talking about window etymology while the world is burning around him. This is what I needed
0:38 no you declared war to steal the settler
Now, to be fair:
The AI sending a Settler to settle right on top of you is ABSOLUTELY grounds for war.
It wasn't even going to be a good city either, they were headed North.
@@LAZERAK47V2 exactly, not all invasions are violent, some are basically immigration
24:46 "Well, we are not dead." To be fair Potato considering the situation you were dropped into I think you are doing rather well.
Honestly man, kudos for playing this through. That's a goddamn grind right there.
8:08 - You didn't turn on Apocalypse Mode but the disaster knob was turned up to 4 when you started the game! Ooops!
Window means "Wind eye" and comes from old norse. Infact, the old Swedish word is exacrly "wind eye" )Vindöga). But since the language got Germanized, it got changed to "Fönster" from German "Fenster"
You know it’s bad when potato starts The Churn Chat on episode 2
This inspires me to be honest. I should play out more terrible starts, it makes for excitement and adventure.
Potato: *Has difficulty*
"This may be my worst game of all time."
*Becomes his best game ever*
14:30 according to Google, from the old Norse "vindr" meaning wind and "auga" meaning eye. So literally, "the winds eye"
Im enjoying this way too much. The chaos and the struggle are great. I hope you do still have fun, though.
In the grim darkness of Turn 141, there is only war.
This game reminds me of those disaster save series, makes saves people would send believable
It's fun to finally see a civ vi video almost nothing goes the way you want it to! Honestly super encouraging as a not-so-experienced player too!
First time in a while that I watched a full episode of Civ. These seemingly hopeless games are very entertaining, as the ones that're smooth sailing can get boring after a while xD
Yes, I enjoy thy suffering and the process of making something out of it and perhaps pulling off the win! This is a good formula for entertainment ngl
Honestly this game reminds me of my own game with some friends a few days ago. Started very close to two enemy civs in a terrible starting location, both immediately started forward settling me, and got huge militaries real fast, and also a stupidly high science and culture lead, while I was stuck on 1 terrible city. By turn 60 I barely managed to get a second (terrible) city out, while my neighbors were both on 6-8 cities, had about 500 higher military scores, about 80 science and culture leads, and had also completely killed off and razed all the city states I was relying on. We decided to just nope out and go next
'window' comes from the old germanic word 'windauge' which translates pretty directly to wind-eye, cause it was a literal hole in your house (this is pre glass windows). german doesnt actually use that word any more nowadays, instead our word for window is 'fenster' which comes from the latin 'fenestra'. french also took over the romanic root with fenêtre (note the accent circonflexe over the second 'e', a sign that this letter used to be followed by an 's'). that's why the english word for the act of throwing somebody out of a window is 'defenestration' :)
This sort of thing has happened to me so often that seeing it happen to the game's best player - and hearing you say you'd just restart if you weren't recording - is so affirming!
I'm definitely here for this content - and to see if/how you turn it into a win...
To answer the etymology question:
window (n.)
c. 1200, literally "wind eye," from Old Norse vindauga, from vindr "wind" (see wind (n.1)) + auga "eye" (from PIE root *okw- "to see"). Replaced Old English eagþyrl, literally "eye-hole," and eagduru, literally "eye-door." Compare Old Frisian andern "window," literally "breath-door."
Originally an unglazed hole in a roof. Most Germanic languages later adopted a version of Latin fenestra to describe the glass version (such as German Fenster, Swedish fönster), and English used fenester as a parallel word till mid-16c.
Window dressing in reference to shop windows is recorded from 1853; figurative sense is by 1898. Window seat is attested from 1778. Window of opportunity (1979) is from earlier figurative use in U.S. space program, such as launch window (1963). Window-shopping is recorded from 1904.
SRC: etymonline.com
Historically, being in constant wars of expansion while barely holding onto your empire with the very tips of your fingernails is entirely appropriate for the Ottomans
Potato steadily going over to the dark side as his passion for culture victories dwindles every time an AI throws yet another early war in his face. You love to see it!
These two last videos were the most fun i watched in a long time thanks!!
Seriously so good.
It would be interesting to see you take a quick gander at the changes in Dune Spice Wars. I love to hear your take on the new updates and maybe see a multiplayer game.
Window i belive comes from old norse vindöga (wind eye) which is the hole on the top of the short side of a house that smoke could flow through like a chimney, so basicly an ”eye” in the wall that wind and smoke passes throught
This is my favorite civ 6 game ever so far! Please potato more of these! I figure most of player would just restart a lot earlier then you did (maybe even yourself) but thanks to the purpose of the game aiming to showcase life in bad situation…. Did I say just bad? Anyway…
I do think the tech shuffle mode is the hardest single option to challenge a deity player. The only advantage of human player vs AI is planning but this mode takes it away. Much more fair to the AI I would say…. Can’t wait to see if potato can turn the tide.
One of your best videos in a long time. Really excited to see the next one.
I love watching these struggle videos, keep it up!
Honestly, it is nice to see you struggle from time to time. As you typically destroy the AI with little effort :)
I am so enjoying this series the edge of the seat will you pull this off tension is so good, but I love all your stuff keep it up
"It's not a good play, but it is a play." Chaotic neutral life advice.
I think it would be really interesting if you forked at this point and played both options in two separate video series.. One where you hunker down and late game Congo, and one where you head down south and take out the others first. Wound be super interesting to compare the two strategies 👍
Potato just described all of my deity Dom games (outside of Basil II). Either my 2 closest neighbors are bloodthirsty scientists or I'm getting tossed around by barbarian hordes. Sometimes both.
Great vid Potato, you are rising from the ashes and i love it. Also maybe stealing techs with spies in congo could help
Potato:"This isn't a game of civ this is Potato mcwhiskey, microing units while talking absolute bollocks."
So...a game of civ?
I'm surprised you didn't peace Kongo out after the Emergency failed.
I mean, it worked out because he only sent a token force that got obliterated by a river flooding, but the AI is usually willing to accept a White Peace after an Emergency finishes.
This is turning to be a very great series
It has been a long since the last time I saw Potato struggles this much. Potato's endless screams and whiny really brought me joy. Thank you, no offense!
This entire episode brilliantly displays how broken AF civ6 really is. I still love it, but god is it broken with little to no attempt made to fix it despite a huge lifespan.
I’ve been watching potato for years and I’ve never even considered watching a episode twice. I’ve seen the last ep 3 times, and I’ll watch this again tomorrow. I can hear his pain and for some sadistic reason I find it hilarious….. sorry..
Tragedies, comedies, whichever of these applies to you, the important part that both these words share is "dies".
more of this please, such an entertaining game. i suck at civ and this is how my games feel all the time, so hearing you react to each new challenge is amazing.
This map is like a Transformers movie, complete disaster but exciting to watch and insanly entertaining. Cant wait for the next part.
Middle English: from Old Norse vindauga, from vindr ‘wind’ + auga ‘eye’.
Thank you for making me laugh 🥔 🤣
i believe id have died way to many times by now gratz and well done m8
Starting off the new year by watching Potato have a complete mental breakdown. XD
@PotatoMcWhiskey this video is missing from the playlist
You suffer so entertainingly, but what makes it so much better is how much you manage to pull off under pressure.
Tbh, this is the content I needed to see. I've been restarting when it looks grim. Next time, print archers. Lol
THIS IS ORGASMIC. TY FOR STICKING IT THROUGH.
I like how he names the saved game as ottoman_pain lmao 18:18
"Greece invaded us" Funny way of calling you taking a settler ;)
Potato's strategy is like Bender from Futurama saying: " They shall know our peaceful ways... by force ! "
Can you use these past two episodes to go back and analyze your war strategy for our benefit? You really successfully leveraged less powerful units to your advantage which is not something I feel like I can do nearly as well. Would love to know how you decide your maneuvering and fight selection
Not the Ralph meme from the Simpsons "*chuckles* I'm in danger!"
Knowing someone who knows how to do stuff is a function of how much stuff you need done. As you get older, you likely are responsible for more things like house, car, etc..
It's refreshing to see on CZcams a game that pretty much looks like 98% of my own :)
Great video, learned a lot about windows while it was going on!
Potato, this is brilliant. Have you ever considered a multiverse type video link where when you have the option to pivot in your games, you end up doing both in separate video series? So for example, you can either pivot in this or go on with domination, I personally would love to see both sides, esp from someone with your skillset. Obviously it's a lot more hours for you, but may be fun?
Wind O?
Wind out of here
Window comes from old Norse if I remember correctly, a combo of the words meaning "wind" and "eye". So your window is your "wind-eye".
God, more games like this please!!!
Ottoman destroying Greece? Not a first time I guess, jokes aside this was nail biting adventure.
For some reason this is how every game with Suliman The Magnificent has gone so far. It's like playing Halo with all the skulls turned on lol
I'm here for "Potato continues purely for spite"
10:29 dam I knew you couldn't have multiple, but I didn't know you could only have 1 ever. That's harsh oof
A genuine, laugh out loud video
I wasn’t expecting a Mean Girls reference in a Potato McWhiskey video
Window comes from the Vikings arrived in England. At that time the houses simply had holes in the building - making them “vid-öga” in english: wind-eye
Windows are called such because before glass, they let the wind in. People just used shutters if it got cold.
Also, wanna point out the accuracy of Greece coming under Ottoman rule.
Good luck on that cursed land Konya. It can't be more cursed than the rest of the map.
Volcanos can hit two tiles away even without Apocalypse Mode, it just requires Disaster Intensity to be on 3 or 4.
Thank you for this game dude. I watch your vids all the time and you just stream roll. Then I go and try the same strat and get dumped on.
Whatever is used to power that tongue, needs to be put forward to solving the energy crisis. HNY Potato.
Frustrating but inspiring to watch you being on the brink , don't give up ! And laughing like the Joker seems to be a remedy 😅
Fun Fact: The word window acctually orgins swedish and it means like wind eye. Ancient houses used to have it for the smoke of fires indoors. And then, i think the vikings spread it. (think this is true, I did learn it in like the third grade)
"don't call it a comeback, I been here for years"
🥔 slowly going insane and I am here for it
0:37 "Greece invaded us"
*Runs to the comment section, popcorn in hand.*
Best part of this video is potato talking about knowing a pipe guy for 5 minutes.
Window comes from “wind eye” which I think is Anglo Saxon, idea being that you want to let a bit of wind see the inside of your house when open (been a long time since I looked into etymology so I could be wrong but I think that’s right)
So this didn't get added to the Ottoman playlist? I don't know if you'll ever see this but if you do, you may want to edit the playlist.
I have to say, this is the most civ 6 game of all time
Etymology of Window: The English word “window” has its origins in the Old Norse word “vindauga”, and it literally means “wind-eye” (“vind” and “auga” evolved phonetically into “wind” and “ow“, respectively).
Probably because it's a eye in a wall for wind to pass through. Considering the long house needed them for smile to leave the long houses, that explains why it originally came from Norse language
I have an idea for a civs mode: it’s one era mode, with more specific techs for the era so you can still be ahead technologically and that way it would be fun to have battles with swords man in the late game and not be behind