MAKING A BLOW DART AND BALLISTA - STEELE VS. STELTER
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Alec Steele Blacksmith 2020 - Zábava
i volunteer to be the target
Normally comments by other youtubers get alot of likes but its been thirty minutes and you're still sitting at 1 like. F
it been 1 week and you at 21
I'm lucky number 30 :P
Lol I’m not surprised to see you here lol
do it
Steele:
Drills a hole in a piece of plastic
Stelter:
So I made a ballista...
and then started blasting
@@JoeMama-ss5sy Should that be bal-lasting? Hmmm...
@@Panicagq2 it could
Had alec pushed a piece of cotton or fabric in before the projectile it would have probably worked better. Though what he could have also done is just grab some small tubing and then made a 4 piece break-away to hold the projectile center. Also a decent way to add fins to the bolt.
But is it really a balista? He made it wrong.
you guys should up this one and build a real historically accurate ballista
Lets like so alec can see it
Except they werent made with much metal
And its not really a woodworking channel
I have a friend blacksmith who builds history accurate canons, and he shoots them. The balls go like 3km and one time, he hit a stranger's car, who parked in the middle of the calculated spot. Anyways a ballista would be soo awesome for the exact same reasons
@@reedy_9619 I mean I would still be cool especially watching them figure out the aiming systems. I think it would just be cool to see them make more than just blades once and a while.
@@humwhatever185 And they have so much open space in Montana. So I mean that shouldn't really be a problem, but mabye they could intentionally shoot it at different objects. They could do a collab with Demo Ranch.
To be fair to Will, hiring someone to stab something at a distance is historically accurate.
And it technically wouldn't go against the rules. He wouldn't have hand thrown it at all.
"The producers have a challenge for us" is this top gear?
I'm not complaining
That was my first thought too, I would not mind wacky timed challenges from producers, as an upcoming series
You have to make the best ballista... In the world
As long as it doesn't lead to Alec throwing a punch at someone we're probably all right.....
How hard can it be?
Steele V Stelter so far:
Alec: 2 (slingshot, centre punch)
Will: 7 (archery, kukri, rope dart, push dagger, throwing star, brass knuckles, bracelet)
Thank you this is what I was looking for
Don’t forget brass knuckles-will
@@ryanflynn7924 oh snap, thanks I will correct it.
It really showcases the difference in their styles. Alec is really big on aesthetics, while will is all about functionality. Given more time they could both make some pretty amazing things, but with a time limit, will has a definite edge.
Info, i keen
Alec: *panics for 30 minutes*
Will: “Aight, I’m building a crossbow”
Exactly he just built a giant crossbow but Alec used abit more creativity. Alec's mechanics come from the blowdart concept. He just needed the right amount of air pressure.
i was hoping he was going to use the steel wire instead of the bungee chord with flexible steel bolted in place for tension.
Yeah Bunge doesn't actually hold much elastic energy, the energy is in the cross. Bit disappointed he did not understand how a crossbow works
WolfGang *JUST BUILT A GIANT CROSSBOW?* what Will did was a lot more creative than hooking air hoses up to a shooting mechanism like Alec did, And his ‘blow dart concept’ had nothing to do with mechanics unless you were talking about air mechanics which there was not much of.
@@wolfgang7812 what do you mean? Alec was a lot less creative. He also used a modern day air compressor to "cheat" with.
Steele:
Makes ancient lethal swords AAALLLL the time..
Steele drills hole and adds air:
This could really hurt someone :o
His royal genes aren't used to guns yet.
He works around machines that could kill or injure him daily and he’s more concerned about a blow dart
“This thing might be lethal”
Me: **glances at all the swords and weapons hanging on the wall** Yeah, maybe
He's not used to lethality at a distance
@No Akomplice ...and if it was to be a slingshot, then the arms do not need to be that wide (and you would get more power if they were shorter because of geometry, when powering using mainly the elasticity of the cord).
Alec a few days ago: *handles a humongous top-heavy sword upright*
No Akomplice Yeah, I was sad when Will went to get the elastic bands but it’s probably best that he didn’t put so much tension on something made in 2 hours 😂
@No Akomplice A better way to do it would be with proper torsion springs. I was SO hoping for that, but this was still fun!
Where is Joerg Sprave when you need him?!
Joerg would show them its features. I would love to see a damascus Sliding Legolini.
As a wise man once said: "let me show you their features"
I can hear this comment
You forgot the chuckle though
Cought cought* Jörg cought* sprave cought cought*
The cross over I always wanted
@@Vorandir joergsprave
Stetler's ballista is more like a giant sling shot lol. The steel doesn't bend at all, its just the rubber lol.
Was just about to comment that it wasnt really a ballista but a glorified slingshot.
Ian Zainea if he had used the steel cable with the hoist like he had originally planned it probably would have bowed. I don’t think the bungee could ever reach the right amount of tension to pull the bar due to the nature of the material
@@alextheaxolotl3031 agreed
Calin Yak balistas dont use bending steel either
@@reedy_9619 a balista made out of steel does
Its 1AM, i should be sleeping, but watching the latest episode of Steele VS Stelter is far more important.
Your god damn right!
Agreed
Stelter: "I am a mad scientist medieval siege engineer"
Steele: "HaHa air go bpffffffffff"
This is actually class, like havin the challenge be an end goal instead of like “make a butter knife” it could be “make something to butter bread”. The creative possibilities are endless
Will: Welding ballista frame
Alec: Launching drill bits across the workshop.
"Let me show you it's features! HAHAHA"
The air gun really needs a longer barrel. I know that would be difficult given the tools and the time limit. But a longer barrel would provide more pressure build up and more speed coming out the end of the barrel.
The ballista would have been more powerful if the power was coming from the limbs not the cable. Which is what I thought Will was going for with the steel cable. But I guess the steel he picked for the limbs was a bit thick and inflexible.
Why longer barrel is difficult? why didn't he just took piece of pipe...
@@kozio23 to maximise the pressure from the rear there needs to be virtually no gap between the end of the dart and the sides of the barrel. Given the tools and the time he had, it's physically very difficult to do so as he needed a drill bit over 3 feet long to actually get through. He didn't necessarily have the length of material to do it either.
@Koloth I would have just run some grease through the blowgun to fully lubricate it for the dart. His issue was friction between the sides of the barrel and the dart itself, not so much the length of the barrel which would have helped more with accuracy than actually driving the projectile. Agree with the ballista point though. I though WIll was going to use the steel cable and electric hoist to force the limbs to bend just to the maximum elastic deformation point as that would have maximised the power and accuracy. Literally just aim the bolt straight to the bullseye.
To be fair a traditional ballista got its power from coils of rope around the arms, what will make was less of a traditional ballista and more a mounted crossbow, which was a real thing. having the rubber cables be tighter at the rest position (where they are after it fires) would have given it more than enough power. or using an inelastic cable and bending arms might have given it to much power for them to "safely" test.
@@3darkn1t Take a piece of pipe and use a sabot on the dart. I could have made a sabot in about 5 min out of the delrin stock he had lying around. Or just a shaped delrin plug at the end that fits the pipe and fits the steel stock. Alec could have been done in 30 min with a MUCH better setup.
@@3darkn1t Agreed lubricant would have helped. It would have also made the seal around the shaft tighter so less air could escape around the projectile.
@J.C. cannon I wouldn't really call Will's solution either a crossbow or a ballista. It was more a big slingshot. But that is quibbling over terms. It worked at the end of the day.
The best part about Alec and Will is I honestly can’t decide who I like more. The perfect duo.
Since the balista uses rubber bands, the "bow" becomes useless and does actually reduce the power drastically. The angle at which the rubber bands are pulling is way off the trajectory of the projectile. In other words, to get all the power those bands can give, you need to shorten the bow as much as you can so they're attached close to the rail that leads the arrow. That way, the angle at which they pull is almost the same as the direction the arrow goes.
Pardon my english
La bise from France
That moment when Alec realized that it could really hurt someone priceless 🤣
I think with a more rigid type of rope and a piece of spring steel as a "cross member" (?) (so that the bending of the steel takes the energy instead of the rope) Will's ballista could've been damn lethal.
with a little tweaking it will be... but that would take more time than he had...
Jup, the rubber is the problem, bows work through bow bending, not the rope stretching . He should have used steel cable. But then it could propel a steel pipe through a wall, if the welds hold.
Yeah but you have to keep in mind, this was a bar of steel he was using, doesn't bend so easily, the pneumatic winch might have worked with it if he had a better quick release method, but I would not have wanted to see what would happen when that steel cable would come crashing into his aiming tube, if he had a carved out channel instead of the tube, using steel arms as the energy storage might have worked
i kinda think they were limited on space and dialed it back on purpose, but dialed it back to far.
@@getmeoutofiraq05 I mean they built a whole outdoors "shooting range" so I think they had enough space. I think it's more about the materials, like who has a 2m bar of spring steel and a steel cable just lying around?
I would like to see you guys revisit this challenge, but add 10 hours to your time limit.
Will- You need static bow string, and spring material limbs.
Alec-You need an air reservoir with a dump valve.
Next Steele vs Stelter, the two ones will have 4 hours to make a COMPOUND BOW, these are the rules, each one must make a COMPOUND BOW and a set of 4 ARROWS (their tips need to be forged), the bow must be able to hit a target 50 feet away, whoever gets it first wins
Love your work, its soo much fun to whatch the videos!
I'm starting to wonder how many years you've taken off your property managers' life with all these shenanigans...
They probably added a few with the amount of money they are paying him for all of the different work shops they are renting.
Can't be as bad as corridor crew. Landlord passes by "Hey, watcha guys making?" Crew "Oh, just a guillotine"
@@VietyV The corridor crew, you say? They sound amusing.
@@edelta88 They're special effects guys. Practical and computer generated
@@VietyV Sounds like a good time.
The fact that neither one of them went with the easiest option, an atl-atl, is concerning
Notch that shizz and it's done.
ya same
they said it can't be human-propelled
@@lucasriley1246 I assumed that meant they couldn't throw the bolt with their bear hands
the rules said no throwing
Will: *cuts, shaves, and welds to make a giant ballista*
Alec: *drills a hole in a tube*
What I really like is that because there is s time limit, there is also nop time to set up shots properly. The camera has to be held manually, which is more shaky and has quicker movements. This creates a sense of pressure/urgency for the viewer. Perfect for this format!
Yall really needed to check out "The Slingshot Chanel" for this one haha
Steele: “Are you really trying to make a ballista in two hours?!?”
Stelter: is making better progress
Me: laughing hysterically
Hysterical! Do more challenges like that. “Achieve x goal in y time with z limits” love it. Do some longer ones too like you have 7 days to do this. Or 5 hours. Or 2 days. Could be a ton of fun
Alec: makes deadly weapons everyday.
Also Alec: makes a high end pee shooter- “I dare say this might be lethal”
"Peaceful devices of joy". LMAO. It's a joy to have you in America where you belong.
kinda like it, kinda scary 😜
"My spidey sense is tingling, let's check youtube to see if they uploaded a new video"
*uploaded 1 minute ago*
Love these competitions between you two. It shows why you guys work so well together. Two brilliant young minds that think just differently enough that there is always something new.
I just wanted to thank you and all of your team. Watching these and practicing my skills is therapeutic for my PTSD and everything that comes with it. Please don't stop. Keep putting out videos! Big projects and little ones to help someone like me.
I love as soon as u moved to mt I moved away now when I watch i miss home
It’s fun for me as someone who lives in Bozeman now to see them so close.
Hang in the there
Unless I guess I worked for someone like alec lol. I could make/maintain all his equipment for high temp/mechanical stuff. I am a glass artist by schooling, but work as a glass shop tech for a huge college glass shop.
Its honestly a beautiful place I'd move there but I've heard i wouldn't exactly be welcomed lol
@@williamrodriguez8878 why?
I love all the random sponsors y'all get!
Years ago I was working in a bike shop and made a pneumatic cannon for bike spokes. A 10 foot cooper time worked perfectly. It shot the spokes halfway through a 1/2 sheet of plywood.
It's funny that Will has won most of these using really old school technologies and simple technique, and Alec goes down a rabbit hole of madness! Well done boys! 😃👏👏👏
Alec: I think this might be lethal.
Me: AND SWORDS AREN'T!?!
you two are in need for a superior siege weapon. I'm talking of course about THE superior siege weapon.
Ground mounted on a trebuchet?
Dragons?
@@DH-xw6jp No! It ain't no dragon!
@@MrDowntemp0 ahh, in that case you must be referring to the XL pommel launchers.
@@DH-xw6jp Only if the device launching the pommels is a TREBUCHET!
This is the good stuff, happy, fun, sportsmanship. It's so nice to come home relax and watch a show like this!
I love watching you two dueling it out!
I hope you guys cross your channels and keep this mini series going!
Will: builds an insane ballista crossbow
Alec: builds a potato canon
😅
I think if Will used a better "string", he could get more performance from the arms of the Ballista. That is, if the arms are spring steel, I don't know if any other steel would want to flex back.
Yeah the rubber just absorbs the energy of the arms releasing and distributes it more slowly, robbing the bolt of the energy.
The arms are flat, they would bend or break from the innermost part rather than flexing along the whole distance
The guy in charge of the shots to your creations should get an Emmy
“Hath not bunged.” You had me with that statement lol.
Ah, yes, the "producers". Everybody in the UK will get why that's funny.
*1 week ago*
"Pizza cutter"
*Now*
"BALISTA!!"
Both these guys are literally living my dream. Wanna have a shop like that some day and mess around fabricating cool stuff
Yay! More steele vs stelter! I missed this series
We need to start a petition to get Alec to say "al-ooo-min-i-uhm" again!
I miss it...
To all those who say Alec is a sellout for doing super long ads: Most ad companies require the creator to advertise the company at the beginning and at the end. Alec isn't a sellout, hes just trying to keep a good relationship with the sponsor.
does anyone say that?
@@galahad3677 just about every video with a sponsor has several comments complaining about it
I really love these so much. I wish you guys had the time to do more of them.
Super cool!
Alec, the trick to drilling deep holes is to start with a short drill, then keep stepping up in length so it's always supported. :)
This can only go wrong it’s two boys and a weapon someone’s going to the hospital
Alec didnt follow the rules. "portion of THIS steel rod"
Actually....
I do believe that the tip of his projectile was made from the rod...
@@TaranTatsuuchi yes will's was, but alec chose smaller rod.
@@MrTrasor No, The tip of his projectile was a portion of the rod. That's what he was hammering onto it on the anvil.
@@MrTrasor alec used the lathe to trim it down and drill the hole.
I stand corrected. I obviously missed a portion of this video and He Did use a portion of the original rod. Sorry Alec.
Loved this one! Smiling the whole time.
I thank you for bringing us along on this fun adventure!
But he called “dibs”
The dart is exactly the right length for an atlatl.
We used to use 100psi air to launch "darts" 150' into 4 x 8 sheets of 1/2" plywood. They would go right through it. And were crazy accurate.
This is my favorite Steele vs. Stelter so far. Great comedic value too. 😂
You guys need to do stuff like this a little more often. I miss seeing you work on projects together or even competing against each other.
When he says “four minutes left,” there’s exactly four minutes left in the video
Make a the needle sword from G.O.T
Back in high school auto shop in 1987 we made a Ballista from 1-1/2 x 1-1/2 x 1/4 angle iron for the track and a leaf spring from a 72 Nova welded to a piece of I-beam. Used a winch to draw it back. It would put a 24" long x 1/2"" diameter piece of re-bar through a cinder block wall at 50'. We were told to dismantle it.
Awesome see you two bantering together it's a joy love you boys
The editor missed the opportunity for the pornhub music when Alec was brushing.....
1st
Incorrect
Very well done
Beat me by 1 second darn it hahaha
Just built a ballista with my son tonight from tinker crate! Was not expecting to see that same thing made on here! Great episode! You get the next one alec
What a fun 15 min of entertainment! Really enjoyed it!
A lot of the camera angles in this episode had me worried about proper handling of firearms. I don't want to see angles straight down the "barrel" of anything that can kill one of your staff members. Treat this stuff like a loaded gun.
Pretty pathetic range on that ballista. Heck, I can throw farther than that with my off hand. 🤮
To paraphrase Forged in Fire: "It will NOT kill." 😂
I have watched many a video on forging including all “Forged in Fire” episodes and keeps an eye on business/ marketing. These 2 guys are hands down my favorite channel to watch on CZcams. As someone who’s passion directly coincides with theres’ : there is no better channel to watch, listen and learn from. Keep up guys. I really appreciate all y’all do
Love watching your minds work under pressure this was awesome.
You don't get enough credit for how unreasonably happy it makes me that your Subscription hammer in the lower right corner goes up and down with a mouse over. Mini forge
LOL Alec is just running around trying to figure this out and Will is quiet and hustling the whole video. Will’s like “this isn’t the first ballista I’ve made...”
alec: very simple elegant design 6/10
will: cool points over 9000/10
So I'm a new subscriber from the How Ridiculous crew. I legit wish I found you guys sooner. I've watched a handful of the older content and the more recent stuff. Absolutely enjoy this content and the friendly competition between you two is just epic.
The lock out/tag out locks we use at work have ball bearings that shoot out of an air nozzle perfectly. Just use your safety squints before you shoot them.
Watching Alec's videos makes me miss Montana
When you choose to create a pneumatic cannon in the future with more safely rated material, please reach out to the community. Take a look at the pumpkin chunkin cannons for inspiration. High volume, low pressure dump chambers, high flow valves. All pressure rated with pressure relief valves so you don't blow yourself up. You have access to many materials and tools most of us who built cannons wish we had. You could make one hell of a cannon if you had the right guidance.
Looks like a ton of fun! I noticed some large cable hanging with your steele supply, I think it's time to finally see cable damascus!
I like your ballista. I made one and it was lots of fun do i took it to the next level and added a pneumatic cylinder to redraw the cable for rapid fire. Then added a magazine similar to what the slingshot guy made for his bows and now i have a ballista that fires ten projectiles in 30 seconds. Engineering is fun.
I've just now realized that I'd absolutely love a forged in fire kinda series where you two compete to build stuff. AND HERE IT IS! haha I hope this becomes a regular thing It's really a lot of fun and also really interesting.
Bruh, there is already a series of these and they just started It up again
@@kingcobra_9558 Haha I've just seen this. I wish that when a video has a playlist it would say it somewhere in the ui so I could click on it and get more videos from that playlist.
What would make this perfect is having some sort of stakes. Like forfeits for the loser or something.
Was really hoping to see Alec develop some kind of sabot, by using delrin and just normal steel tubing for the barrel. Maybe we need a part two
Oh boy, do these guys brighten up my week
I feel like a simple atlatl could've been highly effective for this challenge.
Honestly, build it in however long (I feel like not very, it's essentially a cup and ball thing on 2 sticks) and spend the rest of the time practicing.
Not to down play how cool and fun these were, it just feels like it ended up being simple vs complex and sparked the thought. Well done on making all our 13 year old selves proud
An Aboriginal throwing stick, its a device used to throw spears in hunting flat piece of wood narrowed at the handle end, a raised notch on the tip, the spear end rest against the end of the raised notch , you then use a throwing action to propel the spear at your target, hand on to the flat piece of wood.
Steele, I love your videos! I'm a crafter and smith as well. If you had a charge tank for psi and a good gate valve that thing would have been deadly at distance!
Now THAT looked like fun! Well done gentlemen...
We use spacer inside the spindle of the lathe to stop the shaft from vibrating. This might help you maintain the drill center position.
I love watching both Alex and Will! So my fave vids are when they both are in the vid. Question! Would either or both of you ever consider going on that, wait... Whats that bladesmithing show that everyone watches?
That was brilliant, it had the feeling of being very anticlimactic... but then Stelter saved it with a bullseye!! Awesome job guys.
Project idea:
Make a Da Vinci-esk crossbow and bolts.
Plenty of places for cool pattern steel, some wood work, maybe Alec could do some engraving again. Lots of potential there.
I want you guys to finish these builds. For the blow gun they sell an air tank for setting the bead on Semi truck tires. It just blasts around 150 psi in one shot.
For the crossbow you could do better on the string, and add a slight recurve to the arms.
It was indeed awesome fun!! Thank you guys! 👍😁
I worked at a drum Factory one time to had a warehouse that was over ran with pigeons. We took five foot pieces of half inch EMT conduit and wrapped a big paintball on one end around the opening and then 8 inch stainless steel welding rods wrapped with nylon twine on one end melted with a heat gun to shrink around the rod with about one inch of fluff left on the end to make darts and sharpened on the other end. We were accurate to about 50 yards just blowing with our lung pressure and we would shoot the pigeons from the rafters. It took no time to make and was very accurate and easy to aim and apparently deadly to pigeons.
Will is an animal for that 2 hr ballista , Damn good job boys