Let's Fix Harry Potter and the Cursed Child
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In Part Two of our video duet, we figure out how to rewrite Harry Potter and the Cursed Child.
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"Not developing the original trio makes the story feel like a fanfic"
Agreed.
"Harry and Hermione have an affair"
Wait, what?
Why critics shouldn't be writers in a shellnut.
@@SmartAlec1 did you say shellnut on purpose?
Wasn't that bad of an idea truly, making it as an ambiguous thing never confirmed would have been better tbh.
@@zachsz9320 Even ambiguous but being unconfirmed seems off putting, but to have characters betray each other and do something as childish as an affair while betraying their best friends, which was out of character when they *were* kids let alone now, and it's like The Last Jedi Luke times 50 in terms of "arbitrary unlikeability development." In addition to that conflict involving at least one of the characters having a child which makes it actually unredeemable, and then forcefully retroactively achieve an earlier ship. Imo not good idea.
*jebaited*
Tbh I'd prefer it if this just didn't exist and I'd get a canon marauders story instead.
Edit: Four years later and I no longer want any stories whatsoever by the terf in chief.
Kira Carolina a marauders adventures book would be awesome
i'm just scared it would get messed up as badly as cursed child
YES!
Kira Carolina or Hogwarts founders?
I agree but J.K.R should write it so then it won't get messed but like this book because only she and i mean *ONLY SHE* should write Harry Potter.
But ... *THAT'S JUST A GAME THEORY*
"In My version , they are having an affair"
And that's when he upset half of the HP fandom
They upset themselves by adding two characters who weren't going to be together. And by letting Jk think it was a good idea to let other people write The Curse Child.
And delighted the other one, as well as an army of trolls.
Speak for yourself. i think it's brilliant. Im against extramarital affairs, but at least they could develop feelings for each other, aknowledging them and both being frustrated because they cannot act upon them. It would add some character development as they deal with adulthood issues, and both Harry and Hermione remain as loyal and respectful partners despite their feelings for each other
Harry Potter is also a Children's Story.
Lot's of kids have to deal with the fall out of their parents having an affair and it could have been a really interesting way to try and introduce some lessons about the wrong and right ways to handle and cope with it.
JK Rowling is fucking awful at writing romance and Hermione and Ron an Harry and Ginny both came out of left field and made no fucking sense. She even admitted that Hermione ending up with Ron was a mistake. Adding the Affair makes Hermione, a fucking mary sue of a character, and Harry, who everyone stans for, more flawed and more human.
The entire scene of Harry using the unforgivable curse and the light's going out in the theater, I got chills. Imagine actually seeing that on stage.
Same, I don't even like Harry Potter. I think I read half of the first book and watched the early movies as a kid, but that scene would be so cool due to the nature of Avada Kedavra and harry using it
Put a sweater on
TL;DR: It would be cooler if he uses sectumsempra instead.
I think it would have been almost better if he uses sectumsempra, but the dude still dies from bleeding out because nobody knows the countercurse. It would one, still kill the guy, two, be far more brutal, and show some interesting character development for Harry and parallels to the original.
In the scene with him and Draco in the Half-Blood Prince(going off the books), Harry uses it without him knowing what it does and is distraught. Showing him using it while knowing what it does would show that he's not just a 16-year-old anymore. He's a war hardened adult.
It would also work really well if he panics a little bit after the guy dies. In this scenario, it was used with intent to harm, not to kill and he had never outright tried to kill someone in the past, not even Voldemort who died because his own spell rebounded. In the spur of the moment, he forgets that nobody knows the countercurse, and it shows what could have happened to Draco if Myrtle hadn't been there to yell for help.
Harry doesn't fully panic like he does with Draco, but he is shocked. This also shows Albus that his father isn't perfect.
That, and I just think it would be cool.
@@imgayyyy2213 And it would also probably be easier for Hermione o pull strings to get him out of trouble for using a cure that few wizards even know about
One thing I'd like to add:
When Harry gets in trouble for using Avada Kedavra, one of his defenders is (surprise!) Draco Malfoy. He understands that Harry acted on paternal instinct, as he would have done the same for Scorpius. The two finally have some common ground, and work together to bring down Delphi and her followers.
Sarah Nour YES YES YES! He hardly used Draco at all, which was my one grievance with it.
I totally agree
I agree. That’s one thing i’d’ve loved to see. Harry and Draco’s feud started because of a handshake. Yes, it does mature when Dray gets his dark mark, but that’s the basis of it. It’s totally and utterly childish. Even at the end of book 7, Harry and Dray don’t hate each other. They’re not fighting for the sake of fighting. They understand it was childish, and empathises with the other for the reasoning behind what they did, as well as both feeling sorry for what they did, and feeling thankful for the other. I mean, they both saved each other’s lives, for god’s sake.
@@DeadBore Might I remind you Draco constantly called Hermione a mudblood? Harry had legit, non-childish reasons to hate Draco.
Also draco is the one that makes Harry and Hermione lose their jobs
You left out one thing. Scorpius making his father hearing about his pointless issues. It’s a tradition.
Delphi: attacks rose and ginny/Ron
Scorp: MAH FATHER WILL HEAR ABOUT THIS
He doesn't brag about it though, but every train scene, while Harry is talking albus' ear off about his misadventures, scorpius is going "daaaaaad the common room is so cold and daaaaaamp i already miss home"
Alternative: scorpius writes letters.
"Dear father. Today, I tried to teach albus how to do a jellylegs jinx. It really isn't that hard, I don't get how he doesn't understand, but i swear the 20th time i had to unjellify my legs was enough. When you were at hogwarts, did you ever have trouble with spells? Any good advice for albus? He needs it.
Sincerely, your son, scorpius malfoy.
P.S. albus says to send his love and to tell mother to send more cookies next time you write"
And then Draco realizes how utterly annoying he was
Yeah and then Scorpius will have his own Fan girl club without really trying haha
xD
I see a lot of people defending the afair with "they're adults"
My question is:
adulthood = cheating?
No. Adult=Voldermort so every adult is bad
When you’re a child, you don’t care about those sorts of things. You don’t feel like that sort of thing is an option. But when you grow up, and start believing you have total control, you can make bad decisions. No one is perfect. Not even Harry.
@@gwest3644 but it doesn't answer my question.
People say, they're adults now.
Ok, does that mean adulthood = cheating?
@@johnprice4847 No, just that they’re not innocent kids anymore. They’ve changed.
@@gwest3644 ya but it's still bad writing if it fails to communicate the change in character in this way.
It's not that you can't pull off sudden character changes but they need to be done right and having someone doing something completely out of character like this is not a good way.
Austin: this rewrite works because it pays respect to the original heroes.
Also Austin: Harry and Hermione are having an affair.
That train station scene where Harry uses the killing curse is genius.
Bríon O'Sullivan I've always wanted to see him use it and the psychological afect it will have on him. The curse that destroyed his life. The curse he survived twice. The curse that killed his parents, friends, mentors.
Yes. Yes it is!
When austin said that he would do that, it gave me chills. Holy shit the story is now over 9000 times better.
Bríon O'Sullivan yup
Exactly! I literally had shivers run down my spine.
Harry giving Hermione marriage advice and Ron THINKING an affair is happening, causes the divide, in the end its wholesome feel good as it should be
I love this, thanks
@@whazatt236 I see what you're saying, it's a very valid point of view, I got interested in your opinion. Tell me, since you think that Harry Potter turning into a drama is quite bad, you find the "affair plot" a bad one too right?
@@whazatt236 same
Sorry, but I feel that's the worse kind of drama. The whole 'Oh, it was just a misunderstanding' is generally just a cheap way to add a false sense of drama whilst not having to write flaws into your characters.
I feel like Ron has divided himself from the others too much though
"I'm just SAYIN' if it were ME and I was allowed to write a CANON story....!"
Welcome to the world of writing fanfiction, my friend.
The whole cursed child book is basically a Canon Fanfiction lol
@@astor_25 it’s literally just 50 Shades of Gray but for kids and with wizards
Fanfic isn't canon though. Cursed child is supposed to be
How bout instead of the affair- take that out completely- the dirt they dig up on Harry and hermione is hermione covering up him using the killing curse. That would be awful for the “chosen one” and of course his BFF is gonna cover it up. It will look like hermione is unstable and not able to make good decisions and Harry look evil and changed. Just have Ron or Ginny still get hurt and make that the conflict that hermione or Harry’s spouse may die or go crazy. Hermione still loses her job. Harry still loses his. The family still goes through tremendous loss from either Ron/Ginny. And maybe after that Harry and hermione can get together if it’s important to you lol
Nice
Yeah I agree that it would be character assassination to have Harry and Hermine cheat. I get that characters change over time but I feel that would be taking it a little too far
Ok I vote for this more!! Much better!
Yes, I like this!!!
I dunno, having Harry and Hermione have an affair seems even more fanfictiony, also kinda tasteless
To me it just read as believable. Honestly I could see Hermione having an affair with someone else (I've never really seen how Hermione and Ron go together, and that's not coming from hating Ron). Harry doesn't seem to get along that well with hermione during the books, they're just completely different.
I could see hermione having an affair with someone intellectually equal to her, even if she does still live Ron.
@@johnmorrell3187 Alright, but Harry? When Ron's his best friend and he's married to his sister? Seems pretty dickish...
i think most fanfiction are better than this ;-;
@@johnmorrell3187 It feels like it goes along with the idea of Harry being unable to properly connect with people. He's literally saved the world but now will never do anything like that again, so he's just stagnating, and has an affair with one of his oldest friends as a way of reconnecting with his past, albeit in a more adult manner.
It's a much darker, more depressing take on a future Harry Potter, but I can see it working. That said, ANYthing set in the future is going to sound like fanfiction.
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When Harry used the Avada Kedavra I legit got shivers- this would have me gasping and shouting in a theatre omg why didn’t they do this!!!
Same. I thought that was going to be a whole different thing though and it just got dropped. Like, the magical McGuffin could be a mind control device of sorts and the evil wizards are trying to turn Harry Potter into the new dark lord.
I kinda feel like Harry should of used sectum sempra instead, he’s being questioned for what the spell is rather than why he used it
Forever Forgetfull your so right
Forever Forgetfull nah, I seriously doubt people would be that shocked by a spell that makes people bleed profusely. Also, such a spell would be a much less shocking act than the killing curse; aiming to cause injury in defense is way more acceptable to the government that aiming to kill. And I’m pretty sure if Harry got super-protective and used the first curse that came to mind to prevent any possibility of the attacker hurting his son, he would probably use Avada Kedavra
Same!
I love how overwhelmingly everyone hates the harry heroine affiar as do I.
Heroine? He’s doing drugs now?
@@lychee9437 even that's more engaging than an affair
Me too I hated that like that would never happen it should never happen. Ron and Harry are best friends and so are hermione and Harry and Ron and Ginny are siblings that’s just so messed up and I don’t think that Harry would ever do that or even consider it and they should not even have those feelings for each other they never did through the first seven books
The Chosen One does not sleep with his best friends wife. No way in hell. I think it is very important for grown harry to not be morally corrupt in order to be believable as cannon.
@@morganshaw1139 things change when u grow up, possibly their feelings towards each other as well. Maybe for Harry, life isn't all that glamourous anymore and Ginny isn't helping. So he tries to delve back into his past by meeting up with Hermione over tea or smtng. They realise their feelings for each other and give in. Boom, affair, fan service, plotpoint and a better one at that than the cursed child
Something else, maybe have Al struggle the hardest with Expeliarmus specifically. Given how it was the spell that defeated voldemort, it would probably gain a lot of traction in universe. Having Albus fail at that spell, not only one so popular but also his dad's signature move, that would definitely help with Albus feeling more like he's ruining his dad's legacy in a way.
Apart from the affair between Harry and Hermione, I like it. Harry and Hermione would NEVER cheat. Let alone with each other. They are best friends, please let them be that.
There are MANY adult problems that they can face.
I think Harry and Hermione could have a different secret, like maybe they know that Ginny is fatally sick and are trying to develop a forbidden spell to cure her while keeping it secret from Ron and Ginny.
It would have the same consequences, Hermione and Harry losing their jobs, Ron being mad at Harry and Hermione for lying to him.
Yes adult problems. They are adults. People change, whether it's a good change or not.
@@feli638 of course. But as a writer I know character development and change in personality can be shown through adult concepts other than infidelity. I'd rather have them be friends because ultimately HP series is about bonds and friendships... The love that goes between people and Harry and Hermione's friendship is based on deep understanding not something as superficial as lust... it doesn't need unnecessary drama. Their friendship is pure and people need that more than these so called adult concepts.
I like the idea of the forbbiden spell. Although not necessarily to save someone in specific but in a more broad sence given her position in the Ministry. A true moral dilemma like fraud, or covering ilegal but not inherenly "bad" crimes cause you know, law it's not always fair. Something along those lines idk...
Totally agree that whole affair thing just seems wrong
I think Ron should be mad because they didnt trust him
How to fix Harry Potter and the Cursed Child:
Step 1: Gather all copies of the script and put them in a big pile
Step 2: Apply lighter fluid liberally
Step 3: Apply lit match to the pile
Step 4: Break out the S'mores
Cate Hamilton FIrE tHe ExTrA AuThOrS.
Is step four optional?
Cate Hamilton
S'mores really?
Why not just some good old fashioned popcorn?
Jordthe destro1 or some hot dogs
Cate Hamilton Wow, the tables have turned. Back in the day weak-willed, Bible-thumping fundamentalists burned Harry Potter books, some twenty years later and look what we're contemplating...
Deathly Hallows book: Harry "I love Hermione like a sister."
*background music starts to play "Sweet Home Alabama"*
@@vince1987 hahahaha
@@vince1987 lmao
"Feels like a fanfic" he says
..
...
*Proceeds to make a love triangle affair plotline*
I'd argue it works. Can you really say that these characters, because of how they acted from ages 11-17 would never ever feel attracted to each other? Especially given Hermione is one of the few people to understand Harry's pain and has travelled with him for years? Not to mention how many people still think Harry and Hermione should have ended up together? Things change when you grow up, possibly their feelings towards each other as well. Maybe for Harry, life isn't all that glamourous anymore and Ginny isn't helping. So he tries to delve back into his past by meeting up with Hermione over tea or something. They realise their feelings for each other and give in. Boom, affair, fan service, plotpoint and a better one at that than the cursed child. Plus it's actually used for plot and character development.
The Harry Potter Stories haven't shyed away from often discussing more adult or realistic topic before. An affair isn't out of the realm of possibility. It would show that even the straightest of characters can act crooked in their weaker moments. It also insinuates that a lot has happened since we last left them on the platform at the end of book 7. Perhaps they're not the same people we had come to know. Perhaps they've made mistakes that will ruin their childhood trio forever. It's true to real life, and it makes the heroes a bit more penetrable.
@@FraserSouris Still doesn't mean it isn't fanficky to introduce cheating and the love affair...
It isn't to say viability but the JOKE was the merit of the fanfic nature of it. No need to dig too deep. We all know about the chemistries.
@@autonomical It's also fanficky to suddenly have Albus' life not work out but you need to have some aspects to make a story
@@FraserSouris Yeah but I'm making a joke about the comment the video creator said about disliking a certain potential decision-making because it would be fanficky....
I'm just pointing out the absurdity of the "pot calling the kettle black", I don't understand what you're doing though.
@@FraserSouris 11! but yeah I totally agree that the original plot is also really fan-ficky, but I disagree that the love triangle isn't
Instead of them actually having an affair, make it so that the Tabloids report that they had an affair. The audience shouldn't know for sure whether they did and it should only be hinted at. Then with the curse idea have Ginny at saint Mungoes cursed and lying catatonic in her bed with Ron holding her hand and refusing Harry to get near her and he accuses them both of having an affair. There's a hard to watch scene where they fight and a touching moment where Ron realises that he's being a fool believing the newspapers instead of his best friend as a callback to book 4 and they all hug and swear to solve the cases once and for all for Ginny's sake.
TheOnlyRoggol That's a lot better.
TheOnlyRoggol I like this. I like this A LOT.
A good way to bring back Rita Skeeter as a secondary antagonist. Skeeter would have been grinding her ax against Hermione ever since the Triwizard Tournament. Only this time she's using a pseudonym, although you have a feeling it's her and all the clues are there. Once the reveal is made, it could be good comic relief.
Perfectttt
I love this. This is it.
Would you like some toffee, Austin?
This video (and this comment) made me really want toffee.
Joe Joe Nah not really in the mood for sugar.
Calm down McGonogall
I'll take some Chocolate frogs though
wanna succee on some toffee?
"Second year! It's a big year. My second year was tough... Everybody thought I had opened Salazar Slytherin's Chamber of Secrets and released a giant bloodthirsty serpent in the castle, attacking students... Of course, your mother actually _did_ do that, but more on that another time."
I loved everything about this, except for (as most people said) The Hermione - Harry Plotline. Again, as most people said, if they were accused of an affair, but weren't, it would have been better. I really loved the harry-Killing Cure situation.
Let's say , an old Rita Skeeter frames them for having an affair... Causing their families to fall apart and kids hating them... Only to reconnect due to some mishap/ attack on the kids. Eventually everything is solved , and Rita is put inside a glass jar and tortured, but this time,, by the kids . Can actually be a funny plot point rather than a sinister one.
I think that the affair addition is a great idea story-telling wise and character *development* wise, but doesn't seem like something that Hermione or Harry would ever do character wise.
Edit: I think maybe having the two framed for the affair would fit better. You'd still get the marital betrayal and the hermione getting fired plot points.
Yeah it doesn't feel true to the characters. They're like brother and sister. They wouldn't do that
OdeToGrapes It’s something they’d never do as children. But as adults?
Okay this right here, perfect! because it wasn't the first time they were mistaken for being together
@@Jetpoweredglim yeah, the first time I think is when Rita Skeeter essentially lies about their relationship
@@Doctor_Straing_Strange maybe even have a Rita Skeeter fan, if not the character herself, lead the charge on the frame up, have a little revenge subplot in there, and to extend on it, also link Delphi to it and the political opposition, so the final act can be sorting that out as opposed to/as well as the relationship problems, or is that getting a bit too black and white?
Things that people should never say: You know what this story needs? A love triangle.
Love triangles are amazing
Except terrible writing advice.
*TERRIBLE WRITING ADVICE INTENSIFIES*
Plushmaggot Nah, you need a love dodecagon
@@shinooo8291 a love rubiks cube
"Kill all the lights in the theatre. The only thing the audience can see is the green skull in the rafters."
As someone who loves theatre, I *adore* this description. I really feel like I'm there, watching your version of the play.
Listen, I was liking where this was going before you mentioned Harry and Hermione have an affair. I mean come on, there was a whole deal in the deathly hallows on how Harry would never do that to Ron.
I'd argue it works. Can you really say that these characters, because of how they acted from ages 11-17 would never ever feel attracted to each other? Especially given Hermione is one of the few people to understand Harry's pain and has travelled with him for years? Not to mention how many people still think Harry and Hermione should have ended up together? Things change when you grow up, possibly their feelings towards each other as well. Maybe for Harry, life isn't all that glamourous anymore and Ginny isn't helping. So he tries to delve back into his past by meeting up with Hermione over tea or something. They realise their feelings for each other and give in. Boom, affair, fan service, plotpoint and a better one at that than the cursed child. Plus it's actually used for plot and character development.
The Harry Potter Stories haven't shyed away from often discussing more adult or realistic topic before. An affair isn't out of the realm of possibility. It would show that even the straightest of characters can act crooked in their weaker moments. It also insinuates that a lot has happened since we last left them on the platform at the end of book 7. Perhaps they're not the same people we had come to know. Perhaps they've made mistakes that will ruin their childhood trio forever. It's true to real life, and it makes the heroes a bit more penetrable.
@@FraserSouris 10!
@@FraserSouris dude you've copied and pasted this answer so much wth
Harry and Hermione have no chemistry. They feel and act like siblings, and all of their "screentime" is them disagreeing and Harry (in his internal monologue) describing how much he'd prefer to be hanging out with Ron. Hermione and Ron make objectively more sense, they've constantly had moments of chemistry throughout the series. Their constant bickering is affectionate, rather than the heated arguments Harry and Hermione have after which they refuse to speak to one another.
Also what pain does Hermione understand? Throughout the series they are unable to relate to one another, the person Harry is able to relate to most is Ginny. Since most of his trauma comes through Voldemort possessing him, Ginny's story in the second installment allows her to be one of the few people that *can* actually understand Harry's pain. If anything, I could see Harry talking to Ron about his pain rather than Hermione, something that fits the original characterization.
Even though there is a 19 year gap between this, I don't think their inherent characterization would have changed that much. Harry is still the same Harry, and the same goes for Hermione, Ron, and Ginny. They've all grown up, and matured but they don't change much- and neither should their reasons for being together. There are other ways for these relationships to break for this to be a compelling story, but whatever way is chosen should align with their characterization. Having an affair- not it.
@@hyacinth4369 You are wrong with many of your assertions.
Firstly, Harry and Hermione do have chemistry. There are plenty of sequences where they chill together, where Harry is glad Hermione is with him and times where he wishes she was with him when she isn't. Using their bickering as a counter doesn't work because Harry bickers with Ron and Hermione bickers with Ron as well in ways where calling it affectionate is debatable. During Goblet of Fire for example, Ron all but abandons Harry until after the first trial and Hermione is the only one there supporting him. Harry doesn't initially make fun of SPEW and Hermione's efforts to her like Ron does.
There's a reason why many were caught off guard by Ron and Hermione coming together. Because prior to Book 7, they were the ones arguably lacking chemistry and common interest. For example, Ron is chill and not fond of studying or societal improvement. Hermione is the opposite.
Secondly, Hermione understands more of the pain of Harry's responsibility rather than the physical pain of being possessed by Voldemort. Because she's the one who is tasked with helping him through tough challenges that Ginny almost never helps him. To say Ginny understands more of what Harry's going through is debatable. And spending more time needing to stop Voldemort is given more screentime and focus than Harry's trauma with Voldemort which often happens in bursts rather than being an ongoing issue.
To use an analogy. Imagine you got your arm injured for a week and have to go through a 6 hour marathon. You have one friend who goes the entire Marathon with you and one friend who doesn't but also hurt their arm once for a day. You're basically saying the pain of that hurt arm once overriedes the much longer and more important time in the Marathon.
Thirdly, you can't prove for sure that the characters' outlooks wouldn't change after 19 years. And I have shown there's plenty of examples of chemistry between the cast to cause an affair. So having an affair does not go against their established personalities and outlook and does act as a compelling plot.
Plus, even if there were other ways to break their relationship, you'd complain that also breaks their characterization.
@@FraserSouris Buddy, just admit you're an Harmione that's pissed off with people not liking the characters going OOC so you could have your pretty little ship.
ok but, “She’s like my sister,” he went on. “I love her like a sister and I reckon she feels the same way about me. It’s always been like that. I thought you knew.”
While I agree, I think the guy's main point was to keep the audience interested. Though I guess there can be other ways to keep the audience interested
That’s why I don’t like Hairmione.
@Ahmad Toqeer Excuse me, what did I do to deserve that profanity? Also, I don’t understand what you are saying. Are you saying that the Cursed Child is bad? If you are I totally agree. What do you mean by “what’s Hermione fault”? I do not understand.
@Ahmad Toqeer Oh, that makes sense! And I don’t hate Hermione, I hate the ship of Harry and Hermione (which I believe is sometimes called Hairmione, but I’m not sure). I just think that the two characters do not work well together.
@@nothingtoseeherefolks6911 and ron & hermione do?
most of this video: i agree
harry and hermione have an affair: WAIT WHAT-
It makes more sense for Ginny to be the one cursed with Ron coming back at the end.
especially because Ron doesn't have a lot of big hero moments (especially in the films)
@@halfdraco7765 and ginny does? all her cool scenes were taken out of the movies and in the books ron had more hero moments too cause he was more often where the action was. i would love to see ginny save the day
@@leaf111 valid
TBH, the story should've been called something like "The Cursed Child: A Harry Potter Story"; yes we wanna see Harry Potter all grown up, but HIS story is with the original books. This book needs to be about the new generation.
Yea the real title implies that it's a story about Harry when it's really not lol
@@highdefinition450
Indeed. And Austin’s premise is that the play is still Harry Potter and the Cursed Child and marketed as Book 8(despite violating the ethos of the book series).
So it needs to be a Harry Potter story with a passing of the torch to the Young Guns.
Everyone: “Harry and Hermione are obviously the better couple. I wish they has gotten together”
Austin: “They’re secretly having an affair now”
Everyone: REEEEEEEEEEEEE
Not everyone. Actually, hardly anyone.
Ahahaha - you werent around during the original shipping wars, were you?
@Failingpepper 11 I disagree, but Im not in the mood for another shipping war.
So I'll just say: You have your opinion, I have mine, in the end its to fictional characters so who cares?
Mmmmmm... No.
I agree that Ginny is too good for Harry, but I don't think Hermione is perfect for him either. During the shipping wars, I was in the side that defended that JK should introduce a new character as a love interest for Harry before the end of the books.
Only movie watchers believe harry and Hermione were a better couple.
If Harry and Hermione were having an affair I wouldn’t be on the edge of my seat I would be getting up out of it and leaving the theater because NO
EXATLY me
Fax
Book fans in a nutshell. Like chill it's actually good charachter development
Same
@@lukavolavsek262 I agree
An affair just makes it worse.
me who doesnt read harry potter: "wow this is cool"
everyone else: "the affair isnt a good idea"
me: "man why did he add the affair"
@@askinredroads5132 _Sometimes_ the mob is right. Just because it's a mob doesn't mean it's wrong. You have to look at the context just like anything else. In this case, it really is just a bad idea, that people just happen to be unanimous in their agreement about.
Just like they're _also_ in agreement that the killing-curse bit is good.
I like the idea of teasing the question of an affair. But not actually having it be the case. Have that be a red herring for something else. Also I believe that the toffee line is just a hat tip to McGonagall's "Have a biscuit, Potter".
THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I WAS THINKING
I like your idea. Another!
Yeah, I thought that too, it was a nice touch, too bad the other aspects of it sucked
I agree, make the audience think they are referring to an affair, but they are actually referring to a case Harry is working on. or something like that.
The problem I have with that is that "Have a biscuit, Potter" was something of a character building moment. It shows that McGonagall is just as frustrated with Umbridge as Harry is, and therefore rewards him for standing up to her, even if officially she has to punish him for it. The toffee, unless I'm mistaken, doesn't have any meaning like that.
I think you should have used Draco more. On the other hand though, I think the only reason he was cool in the Cursed Child was because he was the only original person who was furthered as a character and changed.
WhiteTuxMafiaAndFilms yeah I really liked Dracos development. It felt natural after what he had been through.
yeah, your version doesnt give Draco any development. at least u should show how he deals with Scorpius's friendship with Albus. How he is having issues with Scorpius because of that
WhiteTuxMafiaAndFilms perhaps he could start off as a secondary antagonist, then become minister, then having his character change and send his men to help the main characters in the final battle and end up a good guy and a good father . perhaps he should destroy the mcguffin to show his character change. Perhaps ginny/ron should arrive to save the day with him and his ministry men.
Interesting point. Draco was the only character in which we saw some depth and growth. I don't think that says so much about Draco as much as it points out how very badly the original trio were handled in Cursed Child.
The way I would do Draco is make him a hardened character who is ashamed of his past, he can be the only character who suffers from some form of PTSD from the wizard war. He sees his son as a form of redemption and wants him to break his family linage and just be a good person. Also make him much more mature then Harry. Have harry still hold on to the childish bullying but have Draco move past it and see harry as a friend (even though Harry's will still hold hatred towards him). Part of the blowout between harry and his son can be something along the lines of harry talking about how he used that curse on Draco (in half blood prince I believe) but he doesn't feel remorse over it. Eventually have it so their arch ends with Draco and Harry having some amount of respect for each other and they are working together to be better fathers because neither one of them grew up with a conventual father figure.
Me in early 2017: Audiences might be willing to go for a choice this risky with the legacy characters.
Me after The Last Jedi: The split between audiences would be a nightmare fire from which we would never return.
It would have been the most divisive story for Millennials who grew up with the novels
In this version, Rose and Scorpius’ feelings for each other could be really written out and make it almost like forbidden because of their parents position. It also gives Malfoy the chance to continue being an awful person at heart but with a changed perspective
Wait that’s cute
You could also do a opposition like: Hermione and Ron tell their daughter to hate Scorpius for being Malfoy's son (like how Malfoy's dad told his son to hate Hermione for her being a mudblood aka because of her parents).
Nobody:
Austin: Harry and Hermoine have an affair
Everybody: wtf?
I think the affair is unneccessary to raise the stakes. I dont think Harry and Hermione would cheat, let alone with each other for so long. Give something for the Weasleys to do Ron and Ginny frankly do jackshit and its like everyone forgot that they are spunky capable wizards in their own right.
Zynel it’s not a bad format. It’s just overused. Here it was used to imply that he said it out of nowhere. While many people just put it at the start of their joke, this is a terrible example to criticize.
yeah, that was the one plot line i was like, yeah, nope, that's actually worse than Voldemort's child!
Yeah, FFS, that's out of chatracter for both of them unless you go to some lengths to explain why, and also adds nothing to the plot. Just no.
Edit: it's a very good point that his name is the fucking title, but a better fix would be to, you know, change the title. Rowling's wizarding world is not exactly unknown at this time. You can drop "Harry Potter" and not be afraid the play won't sell.
@@safe-keeper1042 I really don't see how it is out of character, 19 years have passed, maybe Ron and Harry's relationship has gone sour. This was originally a point of tension in the 7th book wasn't it, people are too worried about keeping their precious characters pure, they need to have flaws and are not schoolchildren any more. Also "adds nothing too the plot" did you not watch the video. Finally having it not be a Harry Potter book is not something JK Rowling would do, she has a massive series that she can sell tickets off, why would she not, that's stupid from a marketing point of view, that's why it is marketed as "the next chapter in the story", it says it right on the back.
Instead of having an affair, make it like Rita skeeter saying there's an affair, tabloids love to dramatise celebrities creating doubt etc. It would create the same tension for harry/hermiones careers.I just see an actual affair between these two. But the adult themed idea has merit.
Also instead of brushing past harry using the killing curse directly have it be a theme that people think he's turning into a villain. Or have a stupefy spell go badly leading to the death of new death eater.
Dean Connell This!! That would be soo good! And fitting for a Harry Potter book
Dean Connell much better!
and then make hermione snaps and send Rita to Azkaban for being an iligal animagus
I like the idea of a false tabloid affair better than an actual one. And focusing more on Harry using the killing curse and getting off because he's friends with Hermione could serve as the reason she ends up loosing her job
This would be amazing! Maybe she's getting back at him for exposing her as a terrible journalist. So she frames their affair and stuff.
The way Hermione works wouldn't let her have an affair with Harry, also Harry respects Ron too think of doing that.
Not to mention, he would sooner have an affair with Ron. There are signs of Harry being in the closet in canon.
@@KashyaCharsi yeah, i can't wait for Rowling to make this canon any minute now
Exactly. And characters should never change or make mistakes!
Hermione is more like a sister to Harry. He said it
@@jrbowler84 gross, better idea: have the paper accuse them of having an affair by twisting their conversation for profit.
"We need to make it less fanfictiony by making harry and hermione have an affair."
*Visible confusion*
I think if there was a list of "DO NOT DO THAT" when writing a harry potter FANFICTION would feature in bold, underlined in glowing ink:
"Voldemorts child"
Directly above "Wizard Back to the future".
I'll make an exception for A Very Potter Musical, having Voldy and Quirrel adopt a daughter in the third one was very sweet.
And also no Harry and Hermione affairs thats dumb
Hearing "Voldemords child" always makes me remember that in order for her to have been born Bellatrix would have had to land in the sheets with post resurrection Voldemord at least once, spent 9 months in his service while pregnant, had to interrupt her gleefully torturing for bathroom breaks every few hours and that a bunch of death eaters had to help deliver a baby.
I don't know why that weirds me out so much but I just can't take Delphi seriously because of this.
I don't agree with everything here, but I really like the idea of Harry using the killing curse. He used the other two in the books so it's not impossible for him. I'd also like to see Draco Malfoy get some development. Maybe Harry and him could become friends since their sons are getting along?
Hey BANGTAN BI**H
More like frenemies
I could see this being a waaay better conflict issue rather than something like an affair.
Maybe it could be like Draco has been an informant for Harry and the two start to become friends slowly over time. However, Harry knows that no one would understand so he becomes secretive about it which causes his friends to be concerned causing even more conflict.
( it would be cool if he was using Draco's help and connections to solve a case he is working on and was keeping it a secret to protect the ones he loves. He gets to actually know the real Draco [who I believe is a good person that was raised poorly] and a friendship develops)
Understandably, Hermonie would be furious to find out that Harry is becoming friends with Draco with everything that happened. Ron would obviously take Hermonie's side in the matter but would try to quietly smooth things over which ends poorly. Ginny would take Harry's even though she is very concerned by his behavior. (especially if he used the killing curse) It would put a huge rift between the friends and create a more realistic, and slightly less overused, plot point that would make for some interesting character development....the betrayal would still be there in a different form but it leaves more room for their relationships to be repaired.
@@maucat29 Or maybe he was blackmailed to date Pansy Parkinson by the enemies because he isn’t a part of the enemy team, then he’s blamed for it, and he gets framed for a murder, after a bit of back and forth, they both (Harry and Draco) are on acquaintances by the end of the story, and their terms develop, enemies to good terms, to acquaintances. So, their terms lay on Harry’s trial when he uses the (I changed it a bit) Cruciatus Curse on a masked figure.
@@maucat29 Yeah.
Harry an hermione having an affair goes against the characters i could never imagine the pair doing something so mean to ron
I'd argue it works. Can you really say that these characters, because of how they acted from ages 11-17 would never ever feel attracted to each other? Especially given Hermione is one of the few people to understand Harry's pain and has travelled with him for years? Not to mention how many people still think Harry and Hermione should have ended up together? Things change when you grow up, possibly their feelings towards each other as well. Maybe for Harry, life isn't all that glamourous anymore and Ginny isn't helping. So he tries to delve back into his past by meeting up with Hermione over tea or something. They realise their feelings for each other and give in. Boom, affair, fan service, plotpoint and a better one at that than the cursed child. Plus it's actually used for plot and character development.
The Harry Potter Stories haven't shyed away from often discussing more adult or realistic topic before. An affair isn't out of the realm of possibility. It would show that even the straightest of characters can act crooked in their weaker moments. It also insinuates that a lot has happened since we last left them on the platform at the end of book 7. Perhaps they're not the same people we had come to know. Perhaps they've made mistakes that will ruin their childhood trio forever. It's true to real life, and it makes the heroes a bit more penetrable.
@@FraserSouris I'd argue that people do change, but not on such an extreme level, as well as the fact that Hermione and Harry are constantly shown in the books as serious, Hermionie especially, and she acts like the grown up version of young Hermionie, both at the end of the 7th book, and the cursed child.
Harry's interactions with Ginny at the and of the 7th book and the Cursed Child don't show much, so you might be able to have it strained standalone, but both Harry's and Hermionie's personalities go against an affair between each other.
And that's if they didn't care about each other's spouses, but Ron is Harry's best friend, or at least was; and Ginny is someone Hermionie knows on a personal level *and* the sister of her husband. So the two characters, who's never been shown to go blinded by love, have an affair with each other, betraying all of their closest friends and relatives, without divorcing and remarrying. I'm sorry but that makes absolutely no sense
I agree it seems odd
As if Hermione would ever jeopardize her career for an affair. Girl is too career driven for that mess.
the affair isnt a good idea. all ron's life he had to share everyting and get hand-me-downs. He even had to share friendships with hermione, he gets jealous alot and hermione's love is something he wants for himself since he loves her alot, ang imagine how heartbroken ron would feel if his best friend and his wife had an affair. And that is actually a headcanon i read somewhere.
19:34 "They can't get out of the shadow of the original bad guy. You see it in Star Wars--"
He had no idea how right he was
6:09 “Not everything’s black and white”
Well, Hermoine is.
*Edit:* No need to be so racist in the comments guys. It was a good comment, we’ve had our fun, no need to go spouting off about black people in the replies
lol
BURN-
OH GOD
Who are you so wise in the ways of science?
I was so confused and angry when I saw her portrayal in this lol 😂😂
I like everything but the affair. I would rather see the affair be a red herring of sorts. Lead the audience to believe they could be having an affair but have it all turn out to be nothing. Some of the characters could also believe there was an affair or characters could feel some animosity thinking there is an affair and have it sorted out in the end. Otherwise, this version was great and I would buy this book in a heartbeat
I love this idea! It definitely makes a lot more sense than them actually having an affair
Ya like the taffy could be code for something else something related to there work afterall they are aurors
and somehow the affair suggestions have to do with them secretly investigating the Voldemort thing until they find enough info. or something idk
@@Greennoob2 Maybe it could be that they’re spending extra time in the office, and one day Hermione comes into Harry to give him Valentines Day chocolates and a card (which was bewitched by Romilda Vane, by the way), Romilda puts love potion in the chocolate, and the two start going to coffee together until Harry realizes it’s a love potion. After that, Harry traces back and looks at the card, it says Hermione’s name, so Harry thinks Romilda framed Hermione, but that doesn’t leave them on good terms.
Same I dont see Hermione cheating on Harry
An affair is even more fanfic than time travel dude.
Everything but the affair is good, it would seem like a bad fanfiction. But that train scene was really brilliant!
I'd argue it works. Can you really say that these characters, because of how they acted from ages 11-17 would never ever feel attracted to each other? Especially given Hermione is one of the few people to understand Harry's pain and has travelled with him for years? Not to mention how many people still think Harry and Hermione should have ended up together? Things change when you grow up, possibly their feelings towards each other as well. Maybe for Harry, life isn't all that glamourous anymore and Ginny isn't helping. So he tries to delve back into his past by meeting up with Hermione over tea or something. They realise their feelings for each other and give in. Boom, affair, fan service, plotpoint and a better one at that than the cursed child. Plus it's actually used for plot and character development.
The Harry Potter Stories haven't shyed away from often discussing more adult or realistic topic before. An affair isn't out of the realm of possibility. It would show that even the straightest of characters can act crooked in their weaker moments. It also insinuates that a lot has happened since we last left them on the platform at the end of book 7. Perhaps they're not the same people we had come to know. Perhaps they've made mistakes that will ruin their childhood trio forever. It's true to real life, and it makes the heroes a bit more penetrable.
@@FraserSouris Bro, it’s just to weird. Ron is Harry’s best friend in the books, I just can’t picture him doing that. It would be quite frankly completely out of character, and if your explanation for that completely out of character incredibly important change is simply a 10 years later time jump at the end of a chapter, then it would also come as really fucking lazy.
@@hjj9269 From a storytelling perspective, The whole premise of Cursed Child is that we've had that 19 year time jump and this is the consequence of the stuff that's happened in the meantime. Not that 19 years jump itself. Perhaps if that were the story it could spend more time justifying how the affair might have occurred but that's not important to this story. It's not lazy because that's just the nature of time jumps. Going back to justify it in the Cursed Child bogs down the story. So the only way such a plotline works is if it's happening before our eyes.
Plus, I ask, how is it out of character? People have cheated with their best friend's spouses before. Hermione is one of the few people Harry has a personal connection to and after 19 years, could have something arise between them. Can you tell me that how you were at 17 years old is how you were in your 30's?
@@FraserSouris 12! It would, of course, work if you had an entire act showing what happened in said time gap, and some really huge events changed Hermionie and Harry's characters deeply, but both the 7th book and the current version of the cursed child book go against it. Also while people have cheated with their best friends' spouses before, that'd go against both someone who cares about everyone around him to the point that he'd sacrifice his life for those who aren't even his best friend, and Hermionie, a literal minister, and also someone who would risk her life for anyone she cares about even slightly, betray their shared closest friend, and Ginny, their friends' sister, and also someone they care about substantially. For them to both experience 180 character changes but stay as people who would risk their lives for everyone, seems like a stretch
@@hjj9269 Harry & Hermoine are also best friends, so? I mean they have a strong connection too. It is a deep betrayal but not impossible just hard for you to swallow. It's out of character cause they're 20 years older!!! Most 11 year olds don't dream of having affairs lol.
0:51 - "I fly out to London"
*Plane lands in Northern Ireland*
He clearly meant Londonderry
same place
britain AHAHAHHHAAAH
Try telling someone in Belfast that it's basically the same as London, see how well that goes for you 😜
It's the same place, pwussy boy
Not even in Great Britain...
Harrys actor is still the most "badass-dad"-looking guy
lol true
cant even understand why he looks like that
HE IS THOUGH
Tbh I can only picture Daniel Radcliffe as Harry Potter. Maybe because I grew up with him playing Harry Potter and everytime I see this guy I immediately think "Harry Potter" for a sec.
Reminds me a lot (and I mean a *LOT*) of Atticus Finch's actor (Gregory Peck) from the film adaptation of To Kill a Mockingbird.
The Harry Hermione affair is just as bad as the time travel plot line. Its cliche and just really doesn't work with the established wizarding world
I love this except for the affair! The idea of Harry using the killing curse would be some biggg drama that I would have loved
Y'know, I think this version is much worse for only one reason. It needs that fight between Albus and the trolley person.
OH YEAH. IT DOES
it could happen during the young trios adventures.
I did like that trolley lady was scary AF
Young Gang goes and fights her for extra hijinks and bonding, finding out she's a spooky death yeeter person and advancing the plot
@@TheWSYNkatevy153 that's not an argumeeent
OMG THE AVADA KADAVRA WOULD HAVE BEEN SO GOOD HOLY CRAP
ACTUAL SHIVERS
But not the affair :(((
I.am.cursed i agree actually
I'll give Austin this; his version is WAY better. But the affair makes me a TAD bit uncomfortable...
Also, the Avada Kadavra feels super wrong but I think it would fit
TL;DR It's awesome but I would STILL not consider it canon IMO
ARandomDude To be honest I don’t like the Avada Kadrava thing because it seems way overboard/out of character.
It should’ve been that other spell Harry used early on, the one that cuts them as if with a sword (I forget it’s name)
Heefnoff I think it’s called “Sectum Sempra?” The one from Half-Blood Prince. :) That would be cool too!
@@NoMereRanger73 DUDE THAT WOULD BE *MUCH* BETTER! why didn't I think of that?
"They're having an affair"
No❤
“In my version Harry and Hermionie are having an affair”
I nearly feel out of my chair that’s so ridiculous
This is a three-year-old video, but I have to commend you for making a far more compelling narrative than that the official script had to offer. However, like most people in the comments, I'd change one part: the affair between Harry and Hermione. I feel like a more interesting way to create a rift in their respective families lies not in a shoehorned affair (when the characters have previously and adamantly rebuffed assumptions that they are attracted to each other), but in the very real repercussions of marrying your childhood sweetheart- who is also a fellow child soldier.
The couples in Harry Potter do have chemistry (specifically Hermione/Ron), but you have to consider the context in which they were formed: there was a war going on, and tensions were running high. Ginny's childish crush on Harry evolved into marriage when he reciprocated during a time of great stress in his life. Of course, this could lead to a good, stable relationship- but there's an equal chance that it wouldn't. Has Harry really learnt to appreciate Ginny has a person instead of just his girlfriend by the time they decided to wed? Does he resent the fact that he feels like he jumped the gun and didn't consider other options? The only "girlfriend" he had prior to it all was Cho Chang, and that was similarly dysfunctional and trauma-based.
The same can be said of Ron and Hermione, especially because they have a tendency to bicker. Maybe there are RUMOURS flying around about Harry and Hermione having an affair, seeing as they are co-workers and there is prescience for the media to promote the couple (as seen in the Goblet of Fire). Maybe this causes Ron to re-awaken his jealously streak, although he tries to tell himself that he's changed (and therefore represses it). Maybe this causes Hermione to withdraw from her friends, because she feels that her professionalism is being mocked by the rumour, and her sense of self-pride will not allow it. Maybe Ginny takes it at face-value and blows up at Harry, considering that she's known for her fiery temper and stubborn sensibilities. And maybe it plants a seed of self-doubt within Harry; was he ever meant to settle down, especially since his idyllic happy ending is falling to pieces?
I just feel the implications here lead to far more interesting and multi-faceted explorations of characters and their relationship dynamics, rather than having it just be an outright affair.
Bump
pro gamer move-
based. harry and ginny should’ve never progressed past a silly crush. very much rushed imo.
10/10 Damien. The rest of his suggestions were pretty solid, but his Harry-Hermione affair is just as subpar as the other criticisms he highlighted in the CC. Your addition to his version makes a damn good Potter book. Pity we were given such asinine drivel by Rowling and her friends :(
Yay my bump worked! :D
Why don't you get rid of the affair and just have the OG group naturally growing apart as friends do--to the point where they no longer are as close as they used to.
You can use the Albus vs Harry conflict to further their divisions.
The toffee scene can be Hermione and Harry awkwardly referencing the past because they don't have anything on common now, etc. Second act is Albus crying on Ron (who'd be empathetic to his sitch, especially considering Ron's poor self esteem when he was his age). Cue Ron trying to talk to Harry about it, Harry lashing out because he's 'NOT VERNON, HOW COULD YOU RON???' Hermione trying to play peace-maker but screwing up and suddenly it's a three-way conflict of team og
@@QwertyDFTBA This is the one!
i agree. not crazy about the affair...
Harry and Hermione don't have to have an affair. In the original harry potter books, Harry and Hermione were the true best friends, because they could both tell each other things that they couldn't tell Ron. I always read it, from Harry's perspective anyway, that Hermione was more of a sister to him, because when they met Harry was longing for family and he was prepubesent. The rest of the changes though I really like and even with the affair I still like this version better than the one they went with.
I agree, but hell of a better story
I would think that Harry and Hermione would never do that, because A) They already expressed that they don’t like each other like that, B) Even if it’s 19 years later, I think they would love their significant others so much more than each other , C) They are more like brother and sister.
i wont refute their feelings towards each other, but as someone who has actually been married for 19 years.... well..... i spend more time glaring at the back of my significant other's head while muttering unintelligibly than "loving him so much more".... familiarity really does breed contempt. YOU know everything about them and they seem to know nothing about you. HOWEVER, this does not make me want to cheat on them or leave. but it does occasionally make me want to throw things at their stupid faces for being lazy inconsiderate oafs.
@@Hy-Brasil what if it wasn't a complete affair....lyk Harry and Hermione catch themselves kissing but then stop before it goes to far - unfortunately Malfoy gets wind of this and it gets blown out of proportion.
It's been 19 years after all, you can't tell me their respective marriages wouldn't have hit some bumps by that point
I’m gonna say it: Chivalry and morals are one of the biggest cornerstones of the Gryffindor house. Harry and Hermione, two of the Gryffindoriest Gryffindors to ever Gryffindor would not have an affair, especially not with each other.
Well said!
Am I to understand that, that felt hat put on your head and sorts you into Gryffindor also imbues you with the ability to never cheat. What’s the bonuses for the other houses?
Dumbledore is also one of the greatest Gryffindors and the way he lied and used Harry and abandoned him to his aunt and uncle wasn’t especially brave nor chivalrous
@ctrigger3 no it doesn't but Harry and Hermione aren't just anyone lol. Besides, it's fiction, why assassinate their character like this? It's not like cheating is an essential part of adulthood ffs
@@na3rial Thank you! God, it's like Potterheads have this unreal idea of the characters being solely defined by their houses.
Y'know that's why I was always a fan of Gambon's portrayal. He dropped the "father knows best" angle that Richard Harris brought, and tapped into the more cryptic, shadier side of the character. Dumbledore wasn't this saint people make him out to be!
I’d say with the affair plot line maybe instead of an ongoing affair, make it a single incident in a moment of weakness for both characters. Not even something that happened in scream, just something that happened a few months back that haunts them in the present.
Finally someone who has a decent suggestion on that topic. I don’t mind the affair, but I get why some do. Your suggestion is a good potential replacement.
I was thinking the same, good idea.
You could even keep the whole carmel offer happening, as it is Hermione doing it because she doesn't know what she wants and thinks Harry might want to again. Harry turning it down is because he feels guilty about it all, but doesn't want to make a big deal out of it and make Hermione feel worse or rejected.
I really like that idea. Or nothing happened off screen in the past or present.....they just have a wistful "...yknow....we could have maybe been something more, couldn't we....oh well....so it goes....we at least have others who love us....but we will never forget our bond..." A bittersweet and complicated moment of regret and acceptance, and their true romantic partners remind them in the story as things progress how much they mean to them.
I agree that's the way to go.
That actually sounds like a fantastic rewrite of the story. Although I have to point something out: Using the killing curse doesn't get Harry to quit, but a threat to reveal his affair does? If it's to avoid a scandal, quitting his job won't get "the boy who lived only to kill" out of the tabloids. As pointed out by Cinnamon, there's no way the relationships would survive and it's somewhat soap-opera-y.
I think I'd do away with the affair, if I were to attempt a rewrite, and instead have the death curse be what breaks Harry. Not just by taking his job but by actually emotionally breaking him. He'd be forced to confront the fact that he isn't a good parent and thereby putting Albus' life at serious risk (Harry himself having been saved on numerous occasions by nothing other than parental love, he'd likely put that much value on being a good parent).
I'm not sure where I'd take the story from there, though.
Jelly Myst I like it, I like it.
Thanks. You and apparently 108 others as of right now. I'm shocked and honoured so many people took the time to read my ramblings.
Jelly Myst: "the boy who lived only to kill" - Great newspaper headline!
Jelly Myst your idea is great and I like the idea of having the killing curse being more important, but I also like the affair idea .
+Matthew Ford
I think the affair idea is all right. Maybe a bit out of character for Harry, but hardly unforgivably so. In the end, though, the biggest reason I left it out was simply because it didn't fit in naturally anywhere.
The cursed child just never happened. They just lived happily ever after.
I mean I get that there are fans of the idea of Harry and Hermione being together...but I don't think there's any fan of the books that could ever see those characters having an affair on Ron and Ginny. That doesn't add anything but soap opera drama to Harry Potter...you're hardly shaking up the story any better than Thorne did by adding one of the most generic plot devices in TV and film for the last 40+ years 🤣 it's the most fanfic thing I've heard since 50shades haha
I would have liked to see Albus "prove himself" in a Slytherin way (aka save the day in a Slytherin way) that Harry wouldn't have chosen. This would allow him to see the positive in being "not-Harry" (get character development + self worth) while recognising his own strengths.
Yeah, I also think so.
Yeah, I’m planning to do that, because in my books, he saves the day by doing very Gryffindor-like antics, I feel like I should’ve edited that, I feel like that’s why not a lot of people are interested.
I would have Albus be the one to kill the "New" Death Eater that's attacking Harry. After being knocked down, and seeing his father in the crosshairs of a Death Eater, Albus freezes, and beings to cry...until he hears a small voice in the back of his mind. "You can protect him. You know the spell" Harry takes the fall for Albus, but Albus is conflicted because that was the first time ever that he was able to use a spell on the first try, flawlessly.
@@robinhilliker4461 Nice mention that Arvada Kedavra is the first spell he can cast effortlessly.
you're a mastermind with that killing curse part
Builds wonderfully on Harry's first unforgivable curse usage in Order of the Phoenix. We know he can be made to lose his shit.
He and Hermione also used the mind control unforgivable curse in the Deathly Hallows, followed by a Cruciatus against the evil Dark Arts teachers who taught how to use said Cruciatus curse on students who misbehaved (i.e. were part of Dumbledore’s Army). So with this Harry would have ended up using all three Unforgivable Curses.
6:20 a mature love triangle?
Oxymoron. Maturity negates the possibility of a love triangle.
And I don't mean mean maturity as in age.
honestly while reading The cursed child I felt like Albus and Draco's kid (dont know how to write his name) were absolutely in love. their actions and sentences towards each other felt more than a friendship for me.
RIGHT ? how is nobody talking about it if we really were to rewrite the book let's make them cannon it would add representation to the story and a story line for both of them while we see their relationship growing
I mean, in the future, Scorpius and Rose get married, it says in their pages, so make them have more chemistry.
@@thelochnessmonster7683 Screw representation. If their characters mesh, if they've got chemistry, that's good enough of a reason to do it.
@@Chameleonred5 someone needs to go watch a bunch of video essays explaining why "screw representation" is a pretty bad take.
@@michellebrowne9100 I already have. My response: I disagree. I'm afraid I don't have a video essay for you to easily digest my reasons without taking up my time, but I don't tend to look up people who agree with me. At least, not on purpose.
I got chills when you talked about Harry using Avada Kadavra. I personally dislike the part where Harry and Hermione have an affair. Ginny and Harry should be in love, so you can’t add this in without giving a reason for Harry and Ginny to be in a bad part of their relationship. Not to mention that Hermione is a good person. She is supposed to be kind and caring, and would never stoop to cheating
Idk I could see Hermione getting frustrated with Ron and his career choice
@@erobbie Bad marriage doesn't automatically mean affairs.
Alexandra Pippan and people can have affairs in a perfectly happy marriage. I kind of like it because it adds some really intense stakes, but I also get how it could go against the character’s personalities a bit
Jack Davenport If so,Ebony has an affair it isn’t a happy marriage
@@jackdavenport5011 but that's the point, though. It goes against the characters' personalities (not just a bit but completely) without any reason except for "I don't know any other way to raise the stakes of the plot". Which is a stupid reason for making the characters' personalities change completely.
The plot should develop because of the characters, not the other way round. And there are a lot of "high stakes adult problems" Harry or Hermione, or Harry and Hermione could have that arise FROM THEIR CHARACTERS rather than inventing this one that requires major bending of who Harry and Hermione actually are.
Shiiit. I'm taking this as canon.
I second the motion...
No but seriously, can we make this canon? Is there a rule that stops us?
Batman Jr. same this is soo much better
Batman Jr. Same
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Almost all of the ideas are great, I really liked that Draco is the opposition to Hermione and Harry in their positions, showing how he's actually his usual character and not randomly just good
Them having an affair is a horrible plot. That will ruin the relationships that they built up in the other movies
I mean they are basically high school friends and war buddies your not going to be the same people after 19 years with kids and jobs
I'd argue it works. Can you really say that these characters, because of how they acted from ages 11-17 would never ever feel attracted to each other? Especially given Hermione is one of the few people to understand Harry's pain and has travelled with him for years? Not to mention how many people still think Harry and Hermione should have ended up together? Things change when you grow up, possibly their feelings towards each other as well. Maybe for Harry, life isn't all that glamourous anymore and Ginny isn't helping. So he tries to delve back into his past by meeting up with Hermione over tea or something. They realise their feelings for each other and give in. Boom, affair, fan service, plotpoint and a better one at that than the cursed child. Plus it's actually used for plot and character development.
The Harry Potter Stories haven't shyed away from often discussing more adult or realistic topic before. An affair isn't out of the realm of possibility. It would show that even the straightest of characters can act crooked in their weaker moments. It also insinuates that a lot has happened since we last left them on the platform at the end of book 7. Perhaps they're not the same people we had come to know. Perhaps they've made mistakes that will ruin their childhood trio forever. It's true to real life, and it makes the heroes a bit more penetrable.
@@FraserSouris Your ignoring the fact Harry and Ron are best friend's and would never do that to each other if Harry wasn't married to Ginny also you can't argue they don't see each other much their both auror's in the Department of Magical Law Enforcement.
@@melkormorgothbauglir.4848 You're basing that on when they were teens. After 20 years, can you really be sure Harry and Hermione wouldn't drift together? Hermione is one of the few people who understands what Harry went through and Harry has a hard time making friends or getting close to people.
It's not about seeing each other, it's about their relationship fading.
@@FraserSouris His respect and friendship for Ron not factoring in at all is highly unlikely plus Hermione isn't gonna go out of her way to do Harry they need a more fleshed out reason then they grew up.
“In my version, they *are having an affair.* “
Y’all, I YELLED.
An affair isn't out of character. Can you really say that these characters, because of how they acted from ages 11-17 would never ever feel attracted to each other? Especially given Hermione is one of the few people to understand Harry's pain and has travelled with him for years? Not to mention how many people still think Harry and Hermione should have ended up together? Things change when you grow up, possibly their feelings towards each other as well. Maybe for Harry, life isn't all that glamourous anymore and Ginny isn't helping. So he tries to delve back into his past by meeting up with Hermione over tea or something. They realise their feelings for each other and give in. Boom, affair, fan service, plotpoint and a better one at that than the cursed child. Plus it's actually used for plot and character development.
The Harry Potter Stories haven't shyed away from often discussing more adult or realistic topic before. An affair isn't out of the realm of possibility. It would show that even the straightest of characters can act crooked in their weaker moments. It also insinuates that a lot has happened since we last left them on the platform at the end of book 7. Perhaps they're not the same people we had come to know. Perhaps they've made mistakes that will ruin their childhood trio forever. It's true to real life, and it makes the heroes a bit more penetrable.
@@FraserSouris You took my comment way to seriously dude lmaoooooo
@@FraserSouris That's four XD
NO
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I think it’d work best if Ginny is the one cursed by Delphi. It’s a fair callback to Chamber of Secrets where the goal was very similarly “save Ginny from a curse” and it keeps all three members of the main trio active in the fight against Delphi and the New Death Eaters. Even moreso, I think it’s a great way to explore the themes of adulthood more in depth if Ron is the one who leaves and who takes out Delphi. Rob was always the optimist in their trio and seeing him leave Hermione bc he’s heartbroken feels like a good way to explore that they aren’t kids anymore.
Plus, just watching him come in on Delphi and say something epic would be a great character moment for him.
That's a good way to give Ron more screentime. Personally I would've had Ron cursed because if he were the one to find out I would see him having the screaming match of the century with Hermione and leaving Hermione in tears as he went to hunt down Harry to duke it out with him. That puts too much attention on the adults for a story that was supposed to be about their children. Meanwhile if Ginny were the one to find out then she'd probably scream at Harry, slap him, pack up her stuff, and leave while Harry looks down in utter shame.
@Riri Pari I can definitely see how that has the potential to shift focus really far in one direction, but I feel like how much focus Ron would put on the adults depends on the execution of the scenes. Theoretically we could have one scene where Ron finds out and freaks out on Hermione, leaves to fight Harry, and then a scene that progresses the kids’ story a bit (but a heavier scene to keep the emotional momentum), before cutting back to a scene where Harry and Ron fight with Ron losing enough that he exits in a rage so it makes sense why we don’t see him again until the climax.
I guess all of these problems of executing ideas and keeping momentum and not detracting focus wouldn’t exist if Ron was the one who got cursed, but I feel like Ginny wouldn’t provide enough drama for the adult side of the story.
@@JyujinPlus I thought it was sad that Ginny and Ron are so interchangeable for the purposes of this story. Just goes to show that the stupid play did them a huge disservice
Plus in the deathly Hallows ron was the one who left because of tensions and had concerns over Harry and Hermione already so itd be a hint back to the original films while adding texture to the drama
@Neve Turner Big this.
I’m really glad there are people passionate about this narrative with good tastes for how to call back to the original series
I come back every year to watch this and it’s good but the affair thing would make it more hated than the og cursed child
Me too! I have seen this video several times over the years and because I didn't read comments, I didn't know people hated the affair idea. I do like the idea of it being a red herring or a rumor or something the kids think, but I wouldn't like it if they actually did have an affair. Especially after all they've (Harry, Ron, Hermione, and Ginny) been through together.
me too
same. maybe it'd be better if instead of the affair they had something to do with the mcguffin, since the mcguffin doesnt really do much to the plot i think. maybe some aurors found it somewhere and they gave it to hermione and harry like "you should lock it away in gringotts so it doesnt get stolen". they discuss it and in the end they decide no, we won't lock it away in gringotts, we're gonna put it in this safe compartment thats ____ (idk just some place lmfao). their reasoning for it is that they once broke into gringotts successfully, so now theyre dubious of its security. this makes it more clear of just how much their adventures have scarred them. we often think that after a main character has an adventure or betrayal happens or whatever that they just go on living but the reality is that theyre people, and after traumatic events they get things like trust issues and such. they decide not to tell ron and ginny because theyre 'saving them from the difficulty of the whole situation'. then the item gets stolen, and now, though no one knows it, Harry and Hermione feel responsible for the mcguffin falling into the hands of evil. even more so when they start to investigate all the murders and find that they were caused because of the mcguffin. the battle happens, and ron is the one who gets blasted by delphi. yes, he goes to st mungo's but he recovers a few days later. Harry and Hermione see just how powrful the mcguffin is and just how dangerous Delphi is, and they decide to come clean to ron and ginny. They're both mad, but its forgiven. however, you can clearly see the rift its caused in the couples' relationships. Hermione recieves backlash not only from the attack at hogwarts, but also because she 'let' such an item like the mcguffin get stolen at gringotts. big emphasis on gringotts, because hermione and harry have lied and told everyone else that they gave the mcguffin to gringotts for safekeeping.
Hermione's political opponent hires these guys to dig up dirt on hermy, and they find that there's no record of Hermione and Harry presenting the mcguffin to gringotts and they in fact kept the item's whereabouts to themselves, which is how it got stolen. with this info, Hermione's political opponent comes up with the story that Hermione and Harry tried to use the mcguffin for their own benefit, so they didn't give it to gringotts and its their fault that the mcguffin got stolen. To stop the commotion that the accusation has caused, they both resign and them along with their significant others lay low from the public for awhile. Ron and ginny, now even angrier because Harry and Hermione's mishap has caused Ron and ginny problems just because theyre married, they both pack their bags and leave harry and hermione alone to face the backlash from a fake accusation. the rest of Austin (the guy in the vid lol)'s story goes as normal, with the slight tweak that in the final battle BOTH ginny and ron save them.
hows that?
9:51 "Harry Potterrrr..." *high pitched wheezing*
My one issue is that Harry and Hermione having an affair doesn't fit their characterization. I agree they should have something to do, but it should fit the personality they've developed over the series. If it was a fake-out and they weren't actually having an affair, then it might work. You could even work more on Ron's insecurities he showed in book 7
Hentai Girl +
Good points, Hentai Girl
What if Ron has a cuckolding fetish. They're adults now, I'm sure they figured out their fetishes. Just imagine Hermione looking Ron in the eye through the slits of the closet and yelling "Harry, you're the greatest wizard ever, Ron's wand never reached so deep into my cauldron!"
what is this example
Was gonna say something about this. Harry was born and bred by loyalty. Someone being disloyal killed his parents and helped Voldemort rise to power twice. He never got to grow up with his family because of it, there is no way in hell he would jeopardize his current family and life of his son for someone with whom he'd never had feelings for. It is a COMPLETE character break and if it was written this way, would feel like a cheap attempt to build tension.
This is so good I continued listening and couldn't wait to hear what happened next. This video is literally far more entertaining than the whole Cursed Child book.
yeah
If I had to choose between time travel or a love triangle, I'd rather light myself on fire.
you missed Scorpius saying
"My father will hear about this!"
>(rightfully) says Cursed Child is "like a bad fanfic"
>adds an affair subplot
This.....I would read!
+Belinda Belt Oh man, I need dates with women. Finally!
Martin Vadakara Everyone tweet this at JK Rowling and the writers.
Martin Vadakara SAME!!!!!!
Martin Vadakara same
yeah!
I mostly agree with most of the things you said... Except for the Hermione and Harry affair. Not only would it be out of character, but it would also be a bad thing for Ron's character arc in Deathly Hallows, he thought Harry banged Hermione, however, his trust in Harry actually made him go back to save him and destroy the Horcrux, it would be a really crappy thing for Ron to actually be right, but only about 20 years too early.
The whole affair plot line is the most fanfiction thing I’ve ever heard tbh
Instead of them actually cheating I would just bring back jealous Ron, and have him suspicious and insecure about Harry and Hermione's relationship. Great vid!
Someone else said it as well, but suspicious Albus could go really well with jealous Ron.
So destroy the trust between the big 3 ... in a children's book series
Lexi Cole now this, would be the most plausible thing to do for sure
Easy.... I read these books as a kid...
Ive read these books to my nieces and nephews when they were children ....they are now reading the later books.
I plan on reading these books to my kids....
The book series is marketed as a children's book series ... so they are children's books. I'd prefer my children's books to be kept as children's books... pure. Harry for all his flaws is still a role model as JK Rowling intended....his main trait is - he doest abandon his friends- ie loyalty... so by having him abandon his friends would drastically alter his character.
other than that
Id prefer... and I am aware that yes.. I am saying I'd prefer...and due to that I am being selfish... But, I'd prefer for the integrity of the story to remain intact... and by integrity - I mean - the big 3. Ron, Hermione and Harry....they are complementary characters. Id prefer the integrity of a children's books series that has shaped a generation to remain rigid/sound.
By breaking up the big 3...for the sake of injecting "real world drama/issues" ..it takes away the fantasy of the Wizarding World of Harry Potter and it shows a lack of integrity. By adding that little ..harry/hermione side plot ... you destroy the trust and love that is the big 3 ..by destroying the relationships around the big 3 = by all intents and purposes you unravel the entire story- as the entire story revolves around the big 3 and those who are connected to the big 3.
Harry is an orphan boy who comes from a home that doesn't love him . He doesn't have any friends until ... Ron... then Hermione.... Harry doesnt know what motherly/family love is ..until Mrs. Weasley/the weasleys ...whom is connected to Ron.
The Rest of the story is Harry going on adventures...with hermione and Ron. The big 3 as a unit is integral for the story of HP so to just cast aside one of the pillars of the world ...for "literary spice" is lazy writing and destructive. This video(from Austin..a youtuber that i like) is about what he would do to rewrite a legit canon HP story ..not a HP fanfic.
I'll be honest .. I do not remember why I posted that on this particular comment. Other's.. I remember and understand but this particular one - I have no idea
tbh that would be make Ron childish, so i prefer Ablus and the public doubting
I don't agree with the love affair idea but I love everything else, especially Harry using the killing curse to protect his son as it would work out so well with Harry's character. Especially that every time Harry has ever used an unforgivable was to protect someone he cares about, the imperius in gringotts so hermione and Ron wouldn't be fount out about, the cruciatus at Carrow when he disrespects McGonogall and spits on her, and finally the killing curse to protect his son from danger it goes so well with Harry's noble nature and urge to protect the people he loves and cares about
"It also establishes that Harry, Ron, and Hermione aren't little kids anymore."
I mean there are ways to do that much much better than having Harry and Hermione cheat on their spouses and their CHILDHOOD FRIENDS my man. Heck the books did a much better job of this without the need for romance.
There are tons of conflicts you can draw from that portray Harry and the trio having grown up than the love triangle. Heck I'd argue you've come up with some in this very video.
Other than that as most have said in the comments, the video is fine.
Exactly. Harry and Hermione having an affair is completely OOC for both of them. However, I can see the movie versions of them doing this.
@@kavishbedi9281 Ironically the book versions of Harry and Hermione in the seventh film would never even come close to almost kissing. Emma and Dan claiming it was just "very close friendship" is absurd, they were pairing them together. Book Harry and Hermione were indeed like siblings, but not in the films. It just filler to pad the run time to make it two parts.
Other than that, new Harry Potter content being good is rare nowadays, hoping to see more from this channel but like Austin said he's not that big a fan.
I'm just gonna pretend that this is the original version.
"I fly out to London..."
Plane lands in Belfast, Northern Ireland
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Calvin Smith often planes from america to england stop at Ireland before another plane takes people the final distance
you just ruined the joke. u want some toffee?
Watch out for car bombs
A more topical (and comical) reference would have been "watch out for white walkers," since GoT is filmed in Titanic studios in Belfast. Considering it's more dangerous to walk down a street in America than it is to live in Belfast your comment just shows how ignorant and racist you are! Ohhhh someone mentioned Belfast, quick dust off the book of classless jokes about murders!
I really do like your version, but the affair idea just fell flat for me. One of the big things I liked about Harry was the lack of sexual tension with Hermione. He was one of those rare protags that could have a meaningful relationship with a woman without any of that mucking up the gears.
powerofanime1 but that's the human way. Caused by Hormons and Neutrotransmitters and Dopamin the Human can not hold up a friendship close as this without give in his mating drive. It's in our nature that after als this years (ha lol a hp quote) one of them would have developed feelings for the other. So a affair would be a great reference to the real life and would give the book a more serious touch. Also it would build a more close connection with the reader because he can more identify himself with an more based plot event.
I'm not saying such things can't happen.
I'm saying I was happy it didn't.
Not to rain on your ideals but I think that was far less by design and more because Rowling is almost completely incapable of writing romance. I mean look at how Harry's feelings for Ginny were categorized in #6. That was just cringe worthy. For Rowling her romance writing isn't subtle so the feelings are either very obviously there or they are nowhere in sight. I don't think it had as much to do with Harry being a unique main who could have a meaningful relationship with a woman without any romantic inclinations. I just think that Rowling wasn't actually capable of conveying sexual tension in a scene beyond maybe jealousy. That's the only preface to Ron and Hermione's relationship that existed so unless Hermione was making out with people in front of Harry Rowling wasn't really able to write any reaction for him in the romantic zone at all.
Of course Rowling's bad at writing romance. By the way, starting off by saying "I don't want to" do something or "Not to" do something? That makes it clear it's exactly what you intend to do.
To be fair, there was a bit of sexual tension in book 7. And if you've only seen the movie, there was the tent scene between Harry and Hemoine in 7.1, and there was some paranoia by Aron. That's something that's hard to forget so this could be a follow up to that.
I do agree with you though that it doesn't fully work, and the resignation thing and Ron saving the day feels cheap. Maybe just tease it with the toffee to get the audience guessing (like the tent scene), then never mention it again.
its funny how you pointed out the tendency of male writers to go for action more than character development drama, and then demonstrated that bias with your version lmao. interesting take tho
i mean he gives way more room to characters to do some character stuff rather than pointless time travel tomfoolery of the original no?
Also, change the kids middle name to Sirius. After the dust settled I’d hope Harry would realize Severus was still a gigantic asshole to him for six years for no reason. “Protecting” him doesn’t give him the right to treat a child like trash. In that case why not name the other kid Lily Petunia Potter because Snape and the Dursley’s were both abusive while at the same time keeping him protected. Snape did what he did, not out of the goodness of his heart, but to make amends. They’re even on that front.
Given that Severus was literally bullied by Harry's dad and his pals for literal years for just being in the opposite house, among other plot points related to him, I don't think your attempts at dirtying his legacy are justified. Or effective, for that matter.
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I actually wouldn't have minded the time travel bit if they had stuck to their own canon that everything they do in that time loop has already happened.
Maybe albus thinking he could change what happen. but then realizing life is a loop
@@7lawaneeena Exactly. Like, maybe they try to alter things and with only the story from harry to go on it looks like events are actually changing?
Inbetween they would get doubts about what they are doing, grapple with the ideology of "the greater good" and slowly start to realise how bad they could mess things up.
Therefore in the end they had a hand in many of the incidents themselves and suddenly Albus has to deal with his own set of guilt at pretty much, not causing them, but enabling these events to happen ? (What with him being the one that started this adventure and refused to go back until they had fixed the past.)
And over the course of the story Albus also gets to learn more about his father (like in the play) and at home they bond over their shared trauma.
Maybe Harry helps Albus understand that he shouldn't blame himself since he didn't know what his actions would cause and through this Harry finally realizes that he has to stop blaming himself too.
While the kids are away Harry could finally get to become casual friends with Malfoy and maybe Hermione and Ron realise that they have been drifting apart etc.
Scorpius and Rose would need a character moment too.
Scorpius could become more self-assured (also like in the play) and Rose would also needs some character growth where she establishes herself separate from Albus and Scorpius.
Not to mention giving Ginny a moment to be awesome.
Oh, and Teddy should show up too. I really missed him in all the story ideas floating around.
@@lexa2310 very good, I love time travel and this is a way to have it that is actually good, with Teddy. As long as their is no scorose at the end, and instead maybe more hints of Scobus in the future, mostly the no scorose bit.
Yo what if cedric dies because in their attempt to stop him they push him toward the goblet of fire in the final maze?!
This story is so good that halfway in I forgot this isn’t a real movie