The Matrix Reloaded: What Went Wrong? - Wisecrack Edition
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The Matrix is a masterpiece of the first order. But what happens when this sci-fi journey is complete? We unearth just how one of the most hyped sequels of all time went oh-so-wrong. Welcome to this Wisecrack Edition on The Matrix Reloaded: What Went Wrong?
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We didn't come here to make the choice to watch The Matrix Reloaded. We came here to understand why we watched it.
Because we choose to.
@@georgiosioannispappas6311 🤯
Clever point.
Yep
Well because it was the sequel to the greatest film of all time up until that point and we were all trying to see if they can catch lightning in a bottle twice.
Ok, I'm something of a defender of the sequels and I have a few points. First, while there are arguably too many discussions of causality\determinism, every character has a different perspective. Smith is a total fatalist, the Meroginvian sees himself as puppetmaster, etc. And the Oracle, specifically, isn't disempowering Neo - she's crediting him with the power to make choices, but challenging his assumptions about the relationship between causes and effects. Basically, Neo has discovered that enlightenment itself is an illusion, and that merely achieving Oneness with the world/Matrix is just the beginning of a new cycle of learning.
Also, the Architect does NOT say that Neo was specifically created to feel interpersonal love. Only that The One is created to feel love in a general sense. Neo is unique in having that sense of love manifest in a love for a single person rather than a love for humanity as a whole. Previous Ones chose to save Zion. Neo chooses to save Trinity. *This is a deviation.* However, the Architect really doesn't give a damn either way about Zion's continued existence - since it could be rebuilt - so while he has predicted Neo's aberrant choice, he makes no attempt to stop it. From his perspective, he wins either way.
But, there's one more deviation: Smith. He shouldn't exist. It's unclear whether the Architect is aware of him and\or how concerned he is about the situation, but Smith is the other monkey wrench in the works. And it's the combination of Smith and Neo BOTH acting in ways which are not according to plan which eventually brings about the end of the world/Matrix and forces a new beginning for it with new rules in place - thus utterly eradicating the cycle everyone had been trapped in.
Which gets to my last point: It's wrong to examine Reloaded and Revolutions as separate movies. They're one 4 1/2 hour movie which was released in two parts. They even follow a very classical 5-act rising action/falling action structure when looked at that way, with the Architect discussion and Neo's choice to save Trinity being the Shakespearean climax. The entire point of all the determinism talk in Reloaded was specifically to put Neo in a position to start *actually* making choices again in Revolutions. Which he does, repeatedly. Thus ultimately giving meaning to his response when Smith repeatedly asks him "Why? WHY WHY?" "Because I choose to." Neo finally broke free of all control systems, and under no compulsion made a choice to do something he believed would bring peace between Machine and Man, even at the cost of his own life. The Ultimate Choice.
I'm not saying the sequels are perfect and they almost certainly could have been trimmed by at least half an hour to their benefit, but it's not as cut-and-dried as this video makes it sound.
Cool analysis
i really like wisecracks, but i liked it more this commentary than the video :D
Oh, snap. I never thought of it like that. That's awesome.
I mean, how I approached it was kinda similar in a way. I understood that most of the important characters kept on harping on determinism, but their own personal perceptions were slightly different, and that's what I assumed gave them their power, essentially 'there is no spoon'.
I felt like as the world got bigger and bigger and more plot evolved there was actually almost a competition on meta-determinism in the sense that there is a truer determinism out there by someone who is more powerful. Or like a truth determinism hierarchy or something.
And I guess I thought that I was on the money the whole trilogy until what threw me off was at the end of the last fight scene with Neo and Smith, when Smith asks, "Why?!" Neo just responds with, "Because I choose to". And I interpreted that as,
'ok, the ultimate truth that carries potential to set yourself free, is to lie to yourself. Wait, what?'
Then commits the ultimate sacrifice to give the ending its climax and merit to his intent to show that his is the truest of philosophies as it solves everything by creating a chain reacting of exploding Smiths because of delusion, I guess.
Or it sums itself up as or just deluding down to 'even when you lose, as long as you think you win', or something to a glass half full kinda thing.
But reading your comment I see that I was trying too hard to find meaning from the intent of choice, not from the capacity to make choices. Cool, now I feel like I understand the series a little better, thanks.
+Eric Stewart Well, one problem with the sequels is that it's almost necessary to have some grounding in Buddhism or other 'eastern' philosophies like Daoism to understand what it's getting at. The Wachowskis were trying to repackage eastern thought in a way that westerners could understand, in the same way the original Matrix repackaged Plato's Cave, but it didn't entirely come through.
Although I think part of the problem is that a lot of people tend to be very touchy about the subject of free will and don't like thinking about it too hard.
But more or less, it's saying (like Buddhism does), "Most people are trapped in cycles of repetitive actions brought about by their total investment in the artificial control systems / illusions surrounding their lives. However, it is *possible* for someone to gain enough wisdom to see through those control systems, understand the bigger picture, and start taking truly self-motivated actions based on that understanding." And of course, the Matrix sequels then take it a step further by making Neo (and Smith) an instrument of apocalypse whose choices ultimately crash the entire cyclic system itself and force a literal reboot.
The difference is, Neo has come to a place of self-empowerment and is deliberately attempting to bring about that change through his bargain with the Machine mind at the end. Smith, on the other hand, is a fatalist who sees himself as being controlled by causality and thus never reaches the level of empowerment Neo has. Despite forcibly conquering the system, Smith still remains trapped by that system, whereas in choosing to surrender control of his person, Neo ultimately wields the ultimate power to bring the system down.
(That sort of "power comes from surrendering power" thing is also VERY Buddhist\Daoist.)
Jason Blalock Your comment should be a video analysis. That was very very good.
"Sex and death squeezed into a woman's business suit made out of latex"
Okay but, GOALS
The point was that this incarnation of Neo chose a different path. He goes against determinism in the end. The previous Ones all chose to save Zion because they only experienced love in general. However, this time, the Oracle told Trinity she would love the One, thus having Neo experience personal love, and changing everything. Instead of saving Zion, he goes back to save Trinity and from that point forward, is no longer bound by determinism. It's this incarnation of Neo that breaks the pattern and ultimately ends the war...bc of love. That was the whole point dunno how you missed it. But it's okay, it's a confusing ass movie.
After watching this DUMB/Stupid review of the greatest trilogy of all time I came here especially to comment EXACTLY what you have said here. Too bad these reviewers cannt digest a truly intellectual screenplay. I WAS BLOWN by the logic of Neo being a part of the predetermined plot of the machines, to overcome an anomaly. And to add the part of personal love. ... Man!!! even today it gives me goosebumps just thinking of the trilogy and the concept that went behind it. I agree I also had to watch the movie 3 times before exactly getting the true intentions of the machines. But there other many confusing movies as well which need a replay to get them correctly. eg Predestination, Matrix trilogy was no different........#lovematrixtrilogy
To be honest, it doesn't take love to break free from the whole determinism thing when it came to the door choice, just a little bit of inteligence and forethought: If Zion has been reset a whole bunch of times already and will continue to be should Neo chose to save it then it'll be a perpetual circle that will never end, humanity will always be strugling to break free and never achieving anything, thus why pick that choice if you already know the outcome and it will never end well for anyone involved? Love was just a carefully engineered excuse to make this particular choice more catering to the general audience, had I been in Neo's position I would have chosen the same door regardless of motive.
It's just boring
@@tobysmith6514 some people don't want to think and that's cool. That's why Hobbs and Shaw exists.
@@interceptingfist5682 Absorbing information isn't thinking, it's learning. Most people aren't seeing a film to learn. A good film informs you while entertaining you which the second two matrix films fail to do. Far too much information interspersed with CGI laden action and some people don't want to see the truth and that's cool.
Hating the Matrix reloaded is just another form of control.
unforgivensnake you win the comments.
Or just pointing out lazy ass uninspired writing
^M Oczakow ...the matrix reloaded script sounds lazy to u?...well thank god your not a college professor...i guess the whole class would get an (F -) lol ...um...yhea dont quite your day job Steven Spielberg lol
Perfect!
Anonymous GhostSector, the Matrix Reloaded is a smoking dumpster fire of a script. Its pretentiousness and pseudo-psychological nonsense make it a special gem in the genre of terrible movies. I find it hilarious how the Wachowskis chose to focus on a cyber-clit instead of actual plot devices.
That conversation with the architect was movie gold.
Agreed. And I freely admit I had to watch that scene several times before I finally felt like I understood wtf he was saying.
Perhaps because my job is basically that of the architect in the movie (without control over killer robots, alas...), I love that monologue. I understood all of it, the first time I saw it.
Delightful character, delightful concept, delightful speech. If it hadn't been for the magic element (Neo can control machines in the real world, what?) and, indeed, the utter pointlessness of the fight scenes, this would be my all time favourite film.
If you understood what the fuck that guy was talking about, that is.
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There are two realy good things about Matrix Reloaded :
1. the Twins
2. the Highway scene (featuring the Twins)
Amen!
and the amazing stunt work, fight scenes, and cinematography.
3. Monica Bellucci in a latex dress.
@@4ndr3c3s4r1n0 yea this girl is hot af
@@4ndr3c3s4r1n0 with they had more romantic scenes
11:37 The Architect does NOT say that Neo was designed to feel love, he says that the Ones were designed to feel attachment to the human species, Neo happened to feel love for one person instead of for everyone. As if it was an accident?
the superman - lois lane effect.
This comment needs more attention.
And this happened because Oracle put it there to unbalance the system
@@pranavdatar9170 hence why the Architect in the end of Revolutions says that the Oracle played a dangerous game.
This video does a better job at explaining why I like this movie than pointing out what went wrong. I am, however, in the minority of fans who like all 3 movies, not just the first one.
Me too. I agree the sequels don't have a rhythm so good as the first one, but they win me by the action scenes and the very well thought philosophy.
Yeah, agreed. The pacing seems a bit off--though personally I think it works in this movie, perhaps not as well in part 3. But then again the pacing in the OG Star Wars trilogy is slow af too, but nobody really discounts that from that trilogy. A New Hope is another perfect example of a story with only 4 main plot points and uses excuses to use philosophical exposition and action sequences that bear little meaning on the plot. But for some reason Jared uses Star Wars as the candle to be compared to, instead of even using it as an example of wtf he was talking about. Something about this video just feels like they collectively in a writer's room said "I didn't like this movie, lets bash on it a little."
People generally only point out pacing issues when they don't understand what's going on, ya know? A conversation often times is the most realistic way to move plot forward, even if it doesn't at surface level seem to be an actual 'action' or 'plot device.' Then again, personally I get turned off almost immediately when I hear a YT host say the name "Slavoj Žižek." That guy's philosophy is basically one big cynical joke.
vormov Minority, Represent!
This video inspired me to immediately rewatch them lol.
Glad to know there is a community I belong to, I've never met any others
The entire first movie was about Neo waking up. This second one is literally everyone telling him he's still in asleep, yet he insists he's woke af. The third is about him accepting he's still asleep and will never wake up and becoming the dream itself.
I think the problem with the sequels is that there are two of them. If both of these were compacted into a single sequel, instead of a needless trilogy, it would have worked better. The true problem is Hollywood greed. The STORY of the trilogy is remarkable, but the execution was fluffy.
Amen!
I was just thinking something similar in the sense that people who use the term "red pilling" as someone who found the truth is just wrong given that it seems that neo accepting the truth and becoming the one was part of the plan, assuming you take all three movies into consideration
Then people would complain because the movie is too long, they'll never please everyone...
+Damien Siemer
Perfect comment. I couldn't agree more...
For me the story they chose to tell in the sequels is not interesting- it diminuishes everything in the first Matrix and whilst Neo is trapped, he is way too powerfull. This the biggest mistake- you never make the hero more powerfull than the villain (at least not right away). Smith is weaker that Neo (he can't fly in Reloaded). It's the Marvel formula that doesn't work. Revolutions is a better movie from this regard beacause Neo is vulnerable again, even though the story is shorter.
You keep saying things about the plot like they're bad when most are the whole point of the movie. The Matrix is NOT Star Wars. Star Wars is a linear adventure movie with little to no philosophical discussion, classic good vs evil. The Matrix is ABOUT the philosophical journey of Neo discovering his place, breaking the cycle, etc. Each time we get a discussion he evolves a little more until the final "fight" with the Architect where all of what he's learned is put to a simple decision on which door to take. Also, yes Neo has seemingly god-like powers, but he always had to run away from Agent Smith. He wasn't strong or fast enough to defeat him, which challenges his "god-like" powers. The movie was brilliant, it's just not for the simple minded.
Yes, by comparing it to Star Wars multiple times but not repeatedly referencing other films, it comes off as, this is why "Star wars is better."
However, also notice there is not one reference to any of the new Star Wars because they are crap.
Haha shut the fuck up nerd....the movie sucked. Just beacuse shit has a double meaning or a philosophy behind it, dosent make it good you dingleberry
I kept wondering why he continued to compare The Matrix to Star Wars. Star Wars is arguably THE BEST trilogy of all time. The Matrix can be argued for Top 10 at best. The Matrix was good, this guy is just way too critical. And if he was a Matrix Fanboy and hated the movie when it came out, as a 14 year old, we can tell he never stopped being pretentious. I had friends like this guy in High School. We never invited them to things we actually wanted to enjoy because they would always point out stupid shit to try to ruin it for everyone. The Matrix was not a waste of time watching it. But watching it more than a few times would be a waste. On the other hand, watching Star Wars original trilogy is NEVER a waste of time.
@@justinamenta7241 there's a way to make a counter argument, but it seems you have not shown that you can and instead you went right for the name calling...
Very low blow there...
@@justinamenta7241 oOOoOoOoHh I'm So SmArT
The question isn't whether Neo can break free but rather can we break free? I see the Matrix movies as an exploration into our paradigms of thought. How many things and ways of thinking are we so conditioned to accept that the idea of questioning them never enters our minds.
"You've already made the choice, now you just have to understand it."
Actually not just philosophy, but also psychology. We make decisions subconsciously, but then to come to the decision consciously, we gotta talk ourselves into it. Which is why there's the advice of" when in doubt, flip a coin. It won't tell you what you should do, you'll just feel disappointed if it lands on the wrong choice or justified if the flip agrees. "
When Neo used his powers in "the real world," I was super excited, because I thought that it meant that they were still in the Matrix, and him passing out was him waking up from the actual Matrix entirely. That would make Zion part of the Matrix, but separate from the rest, as a sort of mental quarantine to hold all of the people that realized that the Matrix exists. That way, you can still use all of the "free" people for energy, and keep them locked in a perpetual war, so they don't realize they are still imprisoned. Instead, it turns out that he's fucking magic, and can control electronics in the real world, which is, as you know, nonsense. Seriously, why was he able to shut down the robots???
I just woke up, so if I sound like an idiot, cut me a bit of slack, lol. quarantine
Yeah, I wanted the same thing to happen.
we had discussion over this same situation in college back in the day
Joseph Wise But why would nt be true? After all maybe all of the Matrix trilogy is inside the matrix , maybe there is always a matrix (and Zion is kinda like one , just another than the first matrix) for me Matrix is not about destroy the matrix but rather choose the one you want
Joseph Wise And there is two explanation for this ability:
1) he has the power to change the code of the Matrix , why would ' nt he be able to change the code of real machines and command them to explode? Maybe with a wifi signal or i don't know.
2) By knowing the real purpose of Zion , he knows the real World just as good as the Matrix. And just his knowledge of the Matrix allowed him to change it, maybe by knowing the real World is he able to change it
that's.. actually way more better than reloaded
14 year-old you hated the burly brawl? You must've been one pretentious preteen.
That 14 year old may have just been more intelligent, evolved and responsible than you were at the age. A suggestion for the future: it's best to keep quiet about such things.
Dream Logic
Yep, using something as subjective as "movie preference" to determine intelligence. Slap yourself, you idiot. A suggestion for the future: Stop thinking because in your case it is counterproductive.
P. S.
Dream and Logic? Do you even understand the basics of Freud's theories. You are a fucking joke.
For real everyone hates on it and I loved thatscene. Honestly loved that whole sequel it was the 3rd that sucked.. when I saw the 2nd I thought it was the best sequel ever made. definitely dramaticaction. Will trinity die? How will they overcome this if neo is part of the system. Will Zion be destroyed? And the cliff hanger had me on edge. Whole sequel was dope but the 3rd..garbage
@@ElJackale Incorrect. I was commenting on the poster's notion that there was something deficient in a 14 year old for not liking mindless violence. I suggested the 14 yr old may have been more intelligent than he was at that age, and to be frank, I was being kind. You have the right to be low level, mostly incompetent as you are, with the belligerence that attends it, but you should clip your defensive impulse when you read a comment like mine. The resulting attack on me (lowlife, and poorly constructed) only reveals that you too live at that level of consciousness. Hint: it's not great. Incidentally, you wanted a question mark at the end of your second to last sentence. My username, by the way, had precisely nothing to do with the theories of Signmund Freud. It is moderately amusing that you would interpret it that way... but, unsurprisingly, you are entirely mistaken. I probably would have referenced Carl Jung, if anyone in that context with my name. But I didn't. If you want to attempt to spar with someone of my caliber, you should take a little more care with your comments, your ideas, and sentence structure. But, then, if you could do that... you wouldn't have felt so offended by my suggestion. You took it as being about you! And the truth is, it was. Hey, take care buddy!
@@bluest1524 not liking something makes you more intelligent? You must be in league with those that hate all music.
You just reminded me why i love this movie!!!!
Seriously... Like wtf, you're just telling me why this movie will always be classic... This vid dumb
Agree cumpletely
Agreed. This one was mutiny against system, not the first one.
Lol, thought the same after 5:45 ... sorry guys but to that point he didnt tell us anything why this movie supposeddly sucks ...
comparations are great, but only works if the movie actually are a like ...
Star wars episode 4 is an other movie... the first one of the trilogy ... You can just compare different typs of movies only to underline some vague points ...
The reasons why it isnt that good of a movie for many are probally more the bad CGI in some scenes, the long dialogues for some which seem to be a bad factor for many that need actions, cuts whatever ...
But the real reason the dialgues suck is not because of their lenght but because many of them have no real meaning, and some only have meaning if you know about some vague intertextuality ...
Than we have the architect speaks 5 min non sense could have just said ... "
You cant escape from the matrix, the matrix is not only this virtual world, but the entire cage out of believes,thoughts and feelings to protect humanity and the machines from the peril of humankind ...now go save trinity ..."
I even think this whole 6 matrixs and blablabla just doesnt give the world any kind of new facet and doesnt push or give the movie any thing new ... In retroperspective i even think , Some of the dialog is to much of "lets sound it cool" ...
And maybe the last two movies had to many "new characters" we dont care or know about and to much unnecessary action, like the end sequence with the drill in zion, A city we never cared that much to begin with ...
I feel like 2 and 3rd movie should have showed us how humankind evolves and stops pursuing violence and destruction, but they dont only Neo does it, humankind doesnt "deserve" salvation ...
So after movie 3 all just will stay the way is ...
Humans try to kill machine and machines will defend against them and jail them ...
Yeah everything he says is actually why it is cool. lol. A lot of Reloaded is world building, and to be fair the story is pretty complex and could need more world building. The scene with the architect would be more cool if he showed us instead of telling us. It's a bit heavy.
What went wrong? They ran out of bullets.
The fans didnt. Take that as you wish.
Love College info geek!!
How do shoot something that can be hit? Should be your actual question. 🤔😀🤔
first name last name no they didn’t understand that agent Smith was the “One”
This entire video also repeats itself half a dozen times.
Best comment.
Chris Because the movie did? This is a review. Not a video on wisecrack.
and i don't get it somehow it's wrong to say the protaganist has no choice? he fucking doesn't. just like real life. it's called determinism.
Because the film does? If you're analysing a repetitive film, you'll become repetitive.
for comedic purposes...at least here, the comedy is intended...
I wish more movies were as complex as the Matrix trilogy. Such depth, lore and philosophy in one story.
rfish2
That needs explaining to the narrator of this video
Bro. If you think that the matrix i complex you have a infinite world of movies to discover yet.
such special snowflake and uniqueness
@@matiassanz3694 like which ones?
check out my take on the trilogy and the reaction to this wisecrack opinion.
warning, german accent incoming
>>German SciFighter has the Best & most Consistent Theory about the Matrix Trilogy You'll Ever Hear
It's kinda hard to make a movie with meaningful choices with a theme of determinism. Also I love the monologues and information dumps even though they are very confusing in the first watch.
What I gathered:
“Every other movie ever follows *this* formula, the matrix didn’t so it sucked. “
Na, I really liked the second Matrix. 🤷🏻♂️
No problems for me there! Every time I watch the whole trilogy, I find something new. Can't say that about most other films.
I must be weird because I really enjoyed watching this movie in the cinema.
You are not weird, whole trilogy is great.
Right this ngga trippin
Dude literally everyone under the age of 21 did LOL. I’ll caps suppose there are pockets of the country and the world where more sophisticated youth dwell in the halls of Cinema comma but where I come from, motherfuckers were jumping up and down screaming while CGI Neo was beating the shit out of 1M A Smiths 🤷🏻♂️😅.
I may not have been destroying the seating, but I damn sure enjoyed the movie. I actually enjoyed the shit out of the architect scene, even though it took me two more viewings to understand at all LOL. I wasn’t big into philosophy at that age, and although I was aware that the references were a bit too “in my face“, the idea that was being presented to me was outright FASCINATING.
I can totally understand someone already well educated on philosophical subjects such as those Rolling their eyes so hard they leave their sockets while watching the last two movies however 😂😂😂 makes perfect sense. I remember being ever so slightly disappointed by the third one, but I think I was mainly rolling my eyes at all the obvious Jesus stuff by that point. As an atheist that shit just doesn’t interest me beyond the art of including illusions subtly in film, and this trilogy was ANYTHING but subtle lol
The author of this video is completely wrong. Movie one, Neo finds out that he lives in a controlled system and breaks out. Movie two, neo finds out he's still in a controlled system and just part of a bigger plan. It's all a domino effect. But neo also figures a way to break out of that system and actually learns that he can make a choice outside that system. That's what the architect scene was about. So at the end of the movie, he breaks out of the plan and out of the control.
No, actually, Neo never gets outside the system. In fact the "real world" is another layer of matrix, which is why he could stop the squiddies with his mind in the so called real world and why he went to the train station limbo without being jacked in to the system in the so-called real world.
Neo defeated smith within the system. Smith is an alagory for satan, and Neo Anderson (which means "New Son of Man") sacrified himself to save humanity, by tricking the Smith devil into saving humanity instead of destroying it, as he intended. Smith was "the one", not Neo, because it was Smith's code that had to be reinserted into the Matrix mainframe in order to reboot the system and thus save mankind.
Yesss someone gets it 🙏🏼👌🏼👌🏼
@@LucisFerre1 I've heard this theory but actually he can do that in the real world because he was finally connect to the source .
@@LucisFerre1 +++
How come only several people find real truth. Although I still disagree with your interpretation, but agree with main point about "Real world"
But he doesn't break out of the plan. He still goes to the Source, he still fights Smith, he still reboots the Matrix. In the end, Neo's choice didn't matter because he played into the hands of the machines anyway.
And that's ignoring the mountain of evidence suggesting that the real world is just a different level of the Matrix.
I didn’t think that the Architect was saying that Neo was designed to feel more love than his predecessors. I thought he was saying this Neo was different BECAUSE he fell in Love this time where the others didn’t. After all, the other people in the Matrix don’t repeat. Only him.
What do u mean by this neo, only one exists right? He was woken up from the matrix in the first movie there no more copies of him
@@snap_drama346 Different Neo. It's been a while, but I think I remember the architect or someone mentioning that he was the 6th or 7th.
@@supermankc8 I see yh I looked up more on it I understand now but the others before neo where not called neo as well they where different ppl? I heard each cycle the matrix was restarted the one was chosen at random from the power plant
@@snap_drama346 I'm assuming the names were different, but the prophecy refers to Neo and the others as "The One".
@@snap_drama346 Yeah they were different people, The One is just an eventuality. The Architect was saying the previous versions experienced love for humanity and so each time they chose to save Zion. However, Neo experienced it on a personal level with Trinity (bc the oracle told her she would love the one) and thus he chose to save Trinity instead. So this time, the Matrix didn't reset and the machines go to destroy zion and Neo ultimately ends the war. He starts making his own choices because of love. The Architect tells him he can't save her and he does anyway.
Most people I find really dislike the final monologue from the Architect, but it's actually a highlight of the movie for me in terms of story, and more so, the writing. The eloquence of his speech is to me, how well written the rest of the movie should've been. People tend to hate on Keanu Reeves for his acting, but there's not much you can do when every line is some version of "I don't know", and as they point out here, you have no actual choices to make.
Also the fight scene on top of the truck is dumb, because Morpheus survives only because he grabs onto the tie of the agent, who pulls back. This seems to indicate the agents have some desire not to "die", but this is immediately followed by two of them driving trucks straight into each other.
The agent still had to kill the keymaker
There is zero dramatic action, yes. Until Neo choses to save Trinity.
Wasn’t that the whole point of the movie?
*Maybe consider the fact the movie may not be bad, you just don’t like it.* There’s a big difference.
Isaac Bigger problems that should be discussed here are CG, and the terrible love connection between Neo and Trinity
Maybe it did suck and just have shit taste?
It did suck
I liked it the second time I watched it, but was a bit confused the first time around I have to admit.
Ehh, even if that's 'the point' that doesn't make it good.
Something im never seeing brought up is after the first Matrix seeing someones everyday life inside the matrix is kinda gone. You had that feelin the first one of knowing exactly what it feels like to be one of those batteries.. to be one of those slaves not knowing whats REALLY going on. The sequels lost that feeling, entirely. They abandoned the world they created for the characters.
I think the Wachowskis did a great expanding on the deeper meaning of what that matrix world truly was.
philosophy of no country for old men
YES!
zero what's is there to analyze...?
zero what's is there to analyze...?
G.K Shut up
"The world is shit and awful things happen to people that doesn't deserve it". There, you're welcome.
I don't quite think you've stumbled onto the problem of Matrix Reloaded. Determinism does not mean that the story would be boring to watch and that it is senseless. Ever watched one of those beautiful domino made paintings where the image unfolds as the dominoes fall? Yeah, the falling is determined beforehand, but it's still entertaining to watch. What would be your opinion then on the films such as The Game, in which the character is led through a carefully cratfed path and, apparently, all of his choices were presupposed?
The problem of this film seems to me much simpler: it's too stretched out and it has only one good fight scene, the one on highway.
It seems like the "what went wrong" in Reloaded was that it wasn't a good follow up to the first Matrix because of the reasons he explained. This is def an opinion piece with good references to justify his feelings. For me, I didn't like Reloaded because it was too up its own ass with the monologues and constant blunt reminders of the movie's theme. That's just how I felt, though. I don't think I went on to watch the third, or maybe just forgot about what happens in it, but Reloaded was just a horrible experience for me and makes me dislike the whole series lol
I think the video stated that the film is bad for 3 reasons: 1. The plot advances much too slowly. 2. The monologues about determinism are far too repetitive. 3. If everything is indeed deterministic in this story, how am I supposed to enjoy it? For me personally, only the first one is true (since repetitive monologues did not really bother me and I don't think a deterministic story in necessarily bad) and that coupled with bad action makes the film... 'meh'.
Nika Zardiashvili 1 and 2 seem about right IMO, but 3 isn't always a bad thing in general. Some movies start out bluffing a determined outcome but the protagonist, fights it and does something else. Its tough to do without being cheesy or making the audience go, "PFFFT I SAW THAY COMING LOL" so maybe they had him so as predicted to surprise us. ...maybe.
Huh. I recently returned from living in Kakheti for two years, and suddenly I seem to come across Georgians all over the anglophone internet. Were you guys there all along and I just failed to notice? Anyway, great comment.
Wow, glad to hear someone's been in Georgia :) I myself am from that region. My grandfather was from Anaga, a small village close to Signagi. Maybe you've been to Signagi. Where are you from, by the way? And what took youto Kakheti, by the way?
There was a 5th plot point, and that was Neo manifesting his powers in reality, which was then never touched upon again after that...hopefully in the 4th movie, a bit more of a an explanation will be had.
The biggest issue for me was that I couldn't reconcile the cyber-punk style of the of the original movie to the tribalistic style of Zion. One would not produce the other. It all seemed very forced.
i wonder why Morpheus was keeping that a secret
Slavoj Zizek = Dan Harmon ??
Well this looks like a theory to take in consideration
Psychic Unicorn Will MatPat make another channel to cover this?
"This is just a theory, a PHILOSOPHY THEORY! Thanks for watching"
Psychic Unicorn god at this point slavoj zizek looks like any middle aged man with a beard
still, a good reference in my books
I'm any middle aged man with a beard and I don't look like either of them.
The irony of calling the Persephone Kiss scene as male fantasy is that the Wachowski Brothers are now the Wachowski Sisters.
EXACTLY. Like, na mofos, this is a *Q U E E R F A N T A S Y*.
Some people appreciate good dialog in a movie.
The sequels aren't good films, even in the slightest. The acting is very bland, the action scenes aren't tense and look cartoony from overuse of CGI, and the story and narrative is simply boring overall.
The first film was nearly a perfect film for what it was going for. There was no need to expand upon it. And if they really wanted to expand upon the Matrix universe, then they should have done a new original story rather than a continuation. During the events of the first film, Neo breaks the boundries of the Matrix and the movie ends with the system literally crashing. The only reason the Wakoski brothers decided to make a 2nd and 3rd was because they knew they could get millions from it.
I love good dialogue in a film. That’s why I don’t like Reloaded.
So avoid the Matrix movies then?
@@12227UserName philosophy isnt for everyone
Jacob Not an argument
I think that you could make a film exploring determinism a lot more effectively. Determinism doesn’t remove all dramatic action, because characters still have goals to accomplish and it informs their decisions, even if it always was going to. The problem with this film is more that it takes too much time explaining it to you instead of showing it to you. A sense of agency can still be felt in a deterministic world view, but not if everyone tells you that you’re doomed.
I truly feel the film was brilliant, and was sad when the trilogy was over.
Same for me, absolutely love the matrix reloaded and this video just cements my love for it even more.
SAme here
I love Reloaded. People just don't like that it was different to the first film.
I thought it was just me.....but I love Reloaded too. The third one, not so much. I’m still not understanding why ppl didn’t rock with Reloaded.
Because you clearly don't get what was so good about the first one. Impressive visuals are enough for some people. Glad you enjoyed it but it isn't a patch on the first and it has nothing to do with people just hating it because it is different.
There is an overarching concept that escapes this analysis: evolution vs. creationism vs. nihilism. (Please excuse the crudeness of my argument here. I'm just typing "stream of consciousness" and have not taken the time to construct a formal argument. However, I hope that it is sufficient to convey my general ideas.) In the first matrix movie (M1), Morpheus tells Neo about the war and explains how humans have been turned into batteries, which he characterizes as nature having a sense of irony. This establishes that there is a personification or apotheosis. That is, Morpheus believes that there is a purpose to events driven by some kind of supernatural force. This concept is reasserted over and over again. In his speech (before the cave rave), Morpheus uses history as evidence that there has been supernatural guidance. He does the same thing in his meeting with Lock when he references the accelerated pace of the freeing of "minds." Thus, it is reasonable to assume that Morpheus believes that there is a divine influence with the purpose of ending the war and saving humanity. This gives his life purpose. When he begins to doubt - suspect that the One may just be another means of machine control - he suffers as one who has lost faith.
Agent Smith also speaks of purpose. In M1, Smith believes his purpose is to serve the machine world. He believes that he can complete his task in the matrix and then be allowed to leave it. He rambles on and on about how he hates the touch, taste, smell.... of humans and the world created for them and longs to leave it. Thus he, like Morpheus, believes that he was created for a purpose, can fulfill that purpose, then move on to some kind of better life. In fact, all of the other machine characters fall into this category (except, maybe, the Source). The Keymaker, the Oracle's protector, the other agents..., all believe that they were created for a purpose, serve that purpose, then move on. In a word, they are all fatalists.
Then, there is a different class. Smith has a life-altering experience when he is "deleted" by Neo and chooses not to go back to the Source. The family in the Trainman's subway station make a similar choice, and it becomes clear in that scene that the Merovingian and his clan are made up of others who have made the same choice. They represent the next level up the hierarchy of futures by moving from fatalism to determinism. Smith (and the others mentioned) have realized that their world is determined by causality. The man in the subway station explains that his love for his daughter compels him to defy the Source. The Merovingian goes to great length to explain his deterministic views and shows how they can be used to predict, and thus have a measure of control, over future events - which leads to a paradox: how can one have control over determinist events? The movie drives this point home when he is betrayed by his wife and, for all his powers, failed to predict. Most importantly, this class of characters reject the notion of free will and they reject the notion that some supernatural force is controlling everything. But... it is obvious that there are contradictions: they believe determinism is true, but they act like it is not. They act like they have free will.
It's not until we meet the Architect in M2 and later the "new" Oracle in M3 that we get to really see the third type of character: probability. The Architect explains that a deterministic matrix design, a "harmony of mathematical precision" failed precisely because it was perfectly deterministic. Therefore, the Oracle was designed to help find solutions - an "intuitive" program that used means of reasoning that strayed beyond the confines of pure rationality - and proposed, at least one, workable solution: the One. In M1, the One, Neo, was given a 'choice' - red pill or blue pill. Consistently, various characters are also given a choice. Sometimes those choices have immediately foreseeable consequences, like when Neo has to choose to kiss Persephone; or not so foreseeable as when the council chooses to send ships to find the Nebuchadnezzar. In all cases, there was a 'chance' that it would not work and there was a chance that it would work. Any such chance can be assigned a mathematical value, a probability, if and only if a significant number of the variables are known. Morpheus and the other fatalists would assert that there is some-kind-of-thing that is all-knowing. Thus, ALL of the variables are known, leading to a probability that is perfectly calculable to 1:1 odds - absolute knowledge of future events. Determinists would accept that all the variables are not known, but would assert that IF those variables were known, the probability could be calculated to 1:1. However, this third class does not believe that all of the variables can be known. Thus, every event has a less than 100% chance of occurring. In other words, there is inherent randomness in the world.
Some of the determinists seem to have given up (or never had) any hope of finding purpose in life. Thus, Cypher just wanted back in the matrix, the Merovingian is hedonistic with only survival and pleasure in mind... and the list goes on. This separates them from the fatalists in that the fatalists believe that there is a bigger plan. Smith looses his fatalist purpose and becomes the mirror of Neo. Neo doesn't believe in a divine plan - neither does Smith. Neo is searching for his purpose - so too is Smith. However, eventually (as I address below) Neo accepts chance (hope) and Smith does not. Instead, Smith tries to make determinism absolutely true in an effort to reclaim fatalism with himself as the divine.
Neo exemplifies this agnostic view of the future when he turns to exit the room with the Architect. There is no reason to believe that he would actually sacrifice all of humanity just to spend a few more moments with Trinity, so he must believe that there is a chance to both save her and humanity. And obviously, he believes he has a chance to save her in direct contradiction to the Architect. In the end, he does save both. However, no characters' predictions came true. No one was able to accurately predict the future. As it turns out, there is randomness in the world that defies any attempt at controlling it. So, perhaps Morpheus was almost right: "nature, it seems, is not without a sense of irony." The machines who were intelligently designed by a creator cannot escape the same forces that created their creators: evolution.
Due to randomness inherent in every system, they created the One. This randomness, which they attributed to choice, was not precisely predictable in each iteration of the matrix. Thus, each time the One arose from within the matrix, a new code containing new data had to be returned to the source and the matrix restarted. With enough recreations (in this case, six), the randomness within the system would eventually change, or even destroy, the system. (Think of the infinite typing monkeys - works of Shakespeare idea.) Thus, predictably, one of these iterations of the matrix resulted in permanent changes. In essence, a new species of matrix came into existence. The alternative, without this randomness, all beings would eventually be identical - the end result of a causal chain that leads to one and only one end. This alternative is represented by Smith occupying every entity in the Matrix. Had the Source not accepted the concept of randomness - of taking a 'chance' on Neo - the future would have been completely deterministic (and, in this case, dreary). Therefore, we must act like the characters that accept determinism - the absence of free will - but also embrace chance. For if there is a chance, then there is hope. So, the overarching thematic references to religions, when examined in these three classes of individuals, present a message best summed up by the Apostle Paul in 1 Corinthians: "For now we see through a glass darkly, but then shall we see face to face. For now we know in part, but then shall we know also as we are known. For now abides faith, hope, and love; but the greatest of these is love." So, take a chance on love.
Ok
I wish I could write like that without losing track of my thoughts. That was brilliant. Matrix movies make much more sense when it is understood with probability in mind. Hope is what makes us take that chance of probability. Even if the world might be deterministic, without perfect knowledge it is practically all chance. That is also what evolution needs for survival of any species, in this case, whether human or machines.
write a 📖 why don't you. lol 😂
Thats a great text Matthew thanks for your contribution to just lay out a few aspects of this movie and what makes it so great. There is so much more to it though. It really is a masterpiece.
Excellent comment and well thought out argument. Its nice one of my favourite films lends itself so well to analysis, but how much of that do you think is down to random chance? ;)
I realized the cause of my dissonant reaction to your analysis despite agreeing with everything you said was at 12:50. The whole point of the movie was to get the audience to ask the question "Can Neo actually make choices". When I heard you say that I thought "YES!!!! That's the point!!!" and that's why I enjoyed the movie so much. Not as a movie but as a question. In the context of examining this through the lens of "Is this a good movie", your analysis is spot on, but therein lies the reason why I like it and you seem to not, you walked away thinking it's just a movie while I walked away from it being a question. I liked the exploration of the question more than I disliked the execution of the movie.
I like The Matrix: Reloaded a lot and I’m glad to see there’s more like me
Cheesy films for fast food eaters.
I'm a High School teacher and I've noticed that these sequels have become really popular among youth (we're talking 10-late 20s). I think not being as blown away by Matrix 1, and not having to wait years (and plan the sequels in your mind) has made people much more open to them. They're really unique even by today's standards. Most kids are used to "Iron Man", "Thor", "Transformers" as their super hero films. These films seem to be more on Jared's level.
I hate Jared and i don`t know exactly why. :(
He's pretentious and acts like his opinion is the overwhelming majority's. (or even worse: promoting even the idea that majority's opinion should be seen as the only valid one).
Agree with you here. To wait and get this...was such a let down. I, being the computer geek girl nerd that I am, identified with Neo completely. I didn't feel connected to him at all in the sequels. What I did like is this move pioneered what became social media marketing and immersion.
I loved the games they tied in, the comics that use to be on the whatisthematrix.com site.
The Matrix MMO was the first game I ever cried over. The storytelling was beautiful. To read Neos letters about Trinity and the world not meaning anything without her, he was never coming back, and letting the players put them together...genius. Morpheus dying, starting a war, genius. Animatrix, genius. These movies...not genius. Too diluted. I am looking forward to the rebooted Pre-quel. Just hope they don't screw it up.
That's too bad you couldn't experience it in a positive way. From my experience with fresh viewers (particularly past students and my ex-GF), Neo resonated way more in the sequels because in those stories he really starts to think for himself. I remember not liking Reloaded when it first came out. But now, I think it's brilliant (as is Revolutions).
Alright, the plot is crazy, but this movie has some of the best action sequences ever. To not acknowledge that is just putting on blinders.
Shane Milner the other 1st one did the others were rinse and repeat. Nobody even makes pop culture references to them like they did the 1st. The scenes from the sequels aren't influential at all!
jeremy brown you mean influenced wise?!!
jeremy brown rinse & repeat?!! Huh. WTF u mean pop culture influences?? Bro.. the entire trilogy script is a REBIRTH OF THE BIBLE!! SET IN THE FUTURE. CYBERPUNK MADNESS ERA , MANKIND VS A.I.
jeremy brown the human race developed and made machines n computers n technology right .... just like in terminator series. Guess what happens. As years progress (in. ANIMATRIX) the humans build and test and develop dozens of Artificial Intelligence machines. Guess what happens. Lol. They the machines go rogue!! Just like in terminator. Start building their own armies, developing their own shit and bombs and war start happening!!!
Neo aka the one aka Jesus Christ aka the architect!!!! Hello
The highway fight is just pure awesome
You could suck the fun out of a roller coaster made of candy. Lighten up Francis.
@seatedliberty you hit the nail on the head. 👌
exactly what I wanted to say :D
I think I'll watch that video on how to stop procrastination... Tomorrow, maybe.
You were always never going to watch the video on how to stop procrastination.
your choice to procrastinate had already been made before you thought to make it. Or maybe you never had a choice not to procrastinate at all. It's a never-ending cycle of procrastination.
You've actually given me more respect for this film by accident. Who would have guessed?! #Wisecrack
same
“Wise”crack
Wait how did it give you more respect for it?
By pointing out that it was boring and pointless? Don't let me tell you what to respect, but I question your taste in films...
*The Matrix Reloaded: What Went Right?*
- honesly, why do you want something to be as basic as Avengers
And some folks are still crying over the idea of a human battery, but swallowed that non sense time travel display in End Game. Selective rage disturbs me.
@@Neomatrixology Time travel makes no sense. Human battery makes sense and everyone knows how inefficient it is
@@priceofiron6900 like it or not, Human battery is happening:
www.extremetech.com/extreme/135481-will-your-body-be-the-battery-of-the-future
The inefficiency is being diminished, but I am sure trying to explain a microwave to someone in colonial times, is equally as difficult as trying to explain this flavor of future tech to most people today. Ben Franklin might be able to keep up, but after that the drop of is too large. The article aside, there is 4 times the electrostatic charge in one neuron of the brain, than what is required to generate lightning in a storm. The potential is absolutely there.
check out my take on the trilogy and the reaction to this wisecrack opinion.
warning, german accent incoming
>>German SciFighter has the Best & most Consistent Theory about the Matrix Trilogy You'll Ever Hear
Reloaded was meant to feel completely different from The Matrix (OG). While I agree that The Matrix is a better self contained story than Reloaded, that doesn't mean I think that Reloaded "went wrong" somewhere. You can't get mad at there being a lack of choices in a movie that questions whether or not choice exists in the first place. Reloaded is polarizing because of the line it draws in the sand from the original and the bridge it forged with Revolutions. If Revolutions was a better film, then people would look at Reloaded as one of the greatest movies of all time.
I liked the analysis for the most part, but I think you got the portion about the architect wrong. Specifically in the sense that Neo was "designed" to feel love for trinity. The architect was simply explaining that the one is just the result of an accumulated error in the matrix system (people subconsciously refusing the system) which causes enough instability which eventually manifests around a single person (the one), and the person that the anomaly manifests around is generally a person who has a profound connection with humanity. In the case of Neo, his connection with humanity was entirely based around his attraction to Trinity. So it wasn't designed, but rather expected and controlled for
de acuerdo, de hecho creo que eso es lo que hace la diferencia entre Neoy el resto de los 5 predecesores
However, it's important to point out that the relationship between Neo and Trinity was pretty much designed by the Oracle, when she told Trinity that she would fall in love with the One. I think it's accurate to say that, in the end, Neo, Trinity, Smith, the humans and the machines were all just pawns in the war between the Oracle and the Architect.
Yeah I think the ending of Revolutions implied that Neo wasn't supposed to fall in love with Trinity, but the Oracle manipulated them into falling in love, because that was the only way she could think of to have Neo decide not to return to the source, which would give him a bargaining position with the machines when it came time to negotiate a truce. That of course went against what the architect would have wanted, but he wasn't mad because it all panned out in the end. But the movies definitely could have done a better job spelling this all out.
@ As far as i know, the architect is a program which was created by the machines to construct and maintain the matrix. So no, the machines aren't pawns of the architect, it's the other way around. The architect only did what the machines wanted him to. Or so i think
@@nofanfelani6924 the architect is a governing program similar to the oracle but he follows protocol while her job is to find a loop hole to break the cycle. Every machine and program are like a hive working together however their are superior programs over the hive that do the real thinking while the outer machines are the workers and drones.
honestly the ending kills the movie for me because it still has a story or feels incomplete and a lie. As the matrix is truly a simulation of humanity, as in they where trying to simulate humanity reaching/making machines into slaves then war which resulted in the sun being blackout by humanity last attack. so ultimately the oracle ending the cycle should be the machines greatest victory . but instead the ending got cheesed.
Damn, I saw Reloaded as necessary prep work for the final film while still having its own charm.
A movie that doesn't work on its own is a bad movie. Matrix Reloaded contained many flaws. But some of the action scenes were amazing.
King Troopa but unlike most movie universities these two movies were meant as one they just had to be broken up for time. and these last 2 matrix films came out within months of each other like kill bill did. it really is more of an episode like TV does not like current movies do today with years in between them
King Troopa me too
This idea I believe is false. A movie like a book that knows it's place in the chronology can work fine. Look at Empire strikes Back. Now people may say it can stand alone but it doesn't. We need to know who Ben Kenobi is and what he did. We end up being left with a cliff hanger and no real conclusion either; just a set up for Jedi's opening which has no impact on the rest of that film. The big question is did we need Matrix reloaded and I think we did. It does tell a different narrative and while it's conclusion may have been depressing it's not a failure. A better use of Jared would be to dissect the meaning of Neo using his powers in the real world and what that means for the character.
Adam Sagehorn Amen. I think if u get philosophy and more importantly perhaps 90s computer technology and jargon, you really start to get matrix 2 n 3. And like I said b4 they didn't wait years in between them to come out. Only months were between release dates.
Lol nothing went wrong with the film. It may not have been perfect, but it was still damn good.
The Matrix ended with *SYSTEM FAILURE* , yet in the sequel, *they dismiss that ever happened* and *he is part of the system* , it makes no sense at all. The problem I had with Reloaded, was that "The Matrix" was complete in every way possible. When I heard a sequel was coming out, I wanted to see what happened right after the events of the first film. When he hung up the phone, and said, "I know you're out there. I can feel you now. I know that you're afraid. You're afraid of us. You're afraid of change. I don't know the future. I didn't come here to tell you how this is going to end. I came here to tell you how it's going to begin. I'm going to hang up this phone, and then I'm going to show these people what you don't want them to see. I'm going to show them a world without you, a world without rules and controls, without borders or boundaries, a world where anything is possible. Where we go from there, is a choice I leave to you.". He hangs up the phone (we see the *system crash and the matrix code freeze up* , with *SYSTEM FAILURE* ), and Neo flies in the air. So, I assumed going into the theater. It should start exactly there. Having the people of the world shocked a man can fly and alter reality. And wake everyone up. But nope, it starts 6 months later, and NEO has done nothing. And, somehow the agents get "UPGRADES" and everything Neo did, at the end of the first film, was in a sense diminished. When presented with the agents, "Huh? Upgrades?". I was sitting there like WTF. This is not what I wanted to see. It was obvious they never planned on sequels, or it would have taken place right where Neo left off at the end of the first film. But, you can't make 2 sequels about waking everyone up. So, they just went into an entirely new pointless direction. I totally get the sequels. I still don't grasp why all these years later, there are videos explaining them. Like how Smith was destroyed in Revolutions. I just found the 2 sequels so outlandish and not what The Wachowski's intended at all when making the first. But now they were forced by WB to make something great into 2 new movies for a cash grab. The first film's ending was definitely the true end. Everyone seems to forget when Neo is talking into the phone, we see the code freeze up, and it said "SYSTEM FAILURE". This does not correlate AT ALL with the sequels. I saw the first film so many times, that in college (2002) for making animation, I re-did the ending, entirely animated, with Keanu's voice as a project. If anyone knows anything about animating, you learn the audio usually by heart. You have to hear it over and over and over, to sync up to the movement of the mouth. Also, remember if Neo was all part of "the system", why would the end of the first film show us the code freeze up with "SYSTEM FAILURE". *Everyone seems to forget or ignore this* .
Our World PERFECTLY TRUE. Still love the effort they put toward keeping it going for entertainment purpose.
I mean, judging by the transformers movies standards, reloaded is goddamn masterpiece. 🤣
The line "You've already made the choice, now you have to understand it" is very applicable to daily life. People make choices all the time but refuse to consciously acknowledge that they've made those choices, because of cognitive dissonance between their conscious and subconscious minds. (by "subconscious" I mean the constant stream of thoughts that you never drag to the front of your mind, translate into words, and rationally evaluate.) There is a very simple demonstration of this: The next time you can't choose between Option 1 and Option 2, flip a coin. The moment the coin lands and you see what choice it made for you, you will either react with approval or disappointment, and in that moment you will realize you had already made the choice -- you just didn't understand it yet. You needed an external force to do something for you to react to, so you could become aware of the choice you had already made.
This is everyone that owes a bunch of money in student loans
Whats crazy is that someone was walking around with all that shit in their head. A black lady at that.
I actually liked this film
When it's interesting, or fun, it can be neat. Othertimes, frustrating...
I agree, the twins and the amazing car chase scene on the highway were super amazing!
I liked it as well
I actually liked all three movies. I kinda get what everybody is complaining about, but I don't think it's bad.
Because it was a good movie.
I must be like 1 of 3 people that wasn't dissapointed with reloaded; taking things to the next level with the oracle and the architect and the bit with merovingian.... of course i was doing my philosophy degree at the time so i might have been primed
Next level philosophy, inferior storytelling = not contradictory :)
I’ll tell you what was wrong
NOTHING WAS WRONG
what I think is really cool about the scene where Neo saves Trinity is that it's come full circle to the events at the end of the first movie. In The Matix Trinity saves Neo in the real world causing him to be reborn in the Matrix. In Reloaded Neo saves Trinity in the Matrix causing her to be reborn in the real world. This happens because of the connection between the body and mind. Remember Morpheous explaining to Neo that what happens to your body in the Matrix happens to you in real life because your mind makes it real. It was really cool to see body sides played out. The saving of the body and the saving of the mind
This video sounds more like a rant rather than analysis. In my opinion, matrix reloaded plot was an abstract and compact dialogue on the effect of choice on events vs events on choices. The struggle of Neo knowing he has no control on choices he makes while hoping despite everyone believing him being the one, to be part of the “good side” is a work of art. At least for me. The action scenes were definitely a plus too. I like your videos wisecrack, but i see lots of overlooked details on this.
2nd Renaissance 2023 B166ER begining maybe :) these are great films far beyond mostly any studio is trying to do today
Check "The thirteen floor" then: it was in the cinemas at the same time as "The Matrix" but was ignored...
It was everything "The Matrix" could have been.
BTW check "UbiK" too, from Philip Dick: It started it all.
Amir Aria Matin I would also suggest you give a try to "Avalon" from Mamoru Oshii
The most insulting thing of this is that the movie hammers away that he has no agency, because he was supposed to not save Trinity. The entire third movie was not ~supposed~ to happen, but Neo went and save Trinity, dooming Zion, and had to spend movie three making it better.
I don't see what's "abstract" about a movie that repeatedly, explicitly spells out its core message through clunky exposition, or what's "compact" about a 2 and a quarter hour long movie that spends its entire run-time on a single, not that hard to understand concept that could have been more skillfully explained in less than a quarter of the time.
Reloaded is actually incredibly philosophically deep, far more so than even the first movie. In light of that it isn't hard to see why it didn't get a great reception in pop culture. The way I look at it this movie is as a commentary on controlled opposition. A warning that even when you think you are doing something for your own reasons, often times your actions are being guided by the system you live within. It is a lesson that is applicable to so many different fields. I mean look at all the various terrorist groups the US has funded over the years. They thought they were following the will of god and I'm sure they gave themselves credit for doing so, however they were being played in the greater geopolitical game of The Middle East. Always retain a modicum of humility that maybe you aren't actually fully awake.
Further more the long diatribes on determinism are far more important than you seem to think. It is precisely these incessant attempts to convince Neo that in fact he has no agency which are the main plot points. This movie is really all about how if you accept determinism you have already lost. The scene with the Merovingian is the most striking example of this. He tells them quite a bit of info, however he slips in a bit of poison by telling Morpheus that choice is an illusion. The entire point of the movie making you wonder if Neo can actually make choices is to put you in his shoes as he tries to figure out the very same thing. Yes, this movie flips traditional narrative structure on its head. If you are looking for a mindless action movie with some emotional kicks and an easy to follow plot reloaded isn't for you. But it is still an allegorical work of art, and it frustrates me to see people shit on the style without even understanding the totality of the message it is trying to convey with it.
Very well written. Enjoyed that.
I too felt like all the deterministic messages were to dissuade Neo from thinking he had Agency, because the system wanted to keep the "status quo" and it knew that it could only do so by eliminating the one element with free will (the element they could not predict), the human-program hybrid called Neo, capable of true Love (often regarded as an emergent phenomenon and something too abstract to define properly, even by AI) and rewriting the Matrix. I could entertain the theory that Mr. Smith is the One, but in the end, it appears the agent was the one without agency (instead of exploring alternatives, he was bound to conflict with Neo and he believed all was determined anyway, so his 'revelation' because of Neo's assimilation was unfruitful)
Thank you very much!
Absolutely! It's a commentary on all the deterministic messaging in the real world. It points to that paradox whereby it is very difficult to know if any one decision you make was the result of your free will, or of the combination of your current mental configuration and the stimulus at hand. If there is a parent and their child jumps out into the road, they will almost always try to save them if they care at all about their kids. One could argue that the care is the reason the individual took the action, and therefore to exert free will one must self modify and regulate their own cares. I for one believe this to be largely true, however I also see merit in the evolutionary psychology approach that suggests that different levels of consciousness operate at different levels of freedom, and regulate each other in a hierarchical fashion. (from the Freudian perspective you know them as Ego, Superego and Id. I have also heard the distinction be made between elephant (habituated tendencies) and rider (the one who observes and can intervene to modify those patterns)) This would suggest that certain higher functions of the mind are responsible for modifying and reprogramming the lower aspects, however they do not exert total control over these other functions.
The evolutionary psychologists, at least the ones that don't believe in free will, would argue that of course a parent cares about their child because the behavioral strategies of parents that didn't weren't evolutionary viable, therefore it is just a result of natural selection. The problem with all of this is that if you take them on their word, then you tacitly accept that what you Care about is out of your control, and you are doomed to operate on genetically and culturally programmed Cares.
Thus the most compelling argument for free will is simply that not believing in it is very likely strip you of all agency and go back to being a cause and not an effect. In a way it's almost like free will is the ultimate placebo-nocebo effect. Believe in it and it doesn't seem to matter whether it actually exists, your agency will increase. Conversely, if you choose not to believe in it then it doesn't matter whether you have free will, because you are unlikely to attempt to critically and individually augment your own programming, and so you will be stuck in a loop of culture and genetics.
In a way I think free will mirrors true love in the sense that you mentioned, of being an emergent phenomenon. And the fact that it's manifestation in the physical world, or lack thereof, is tied so directly to the individuals experience and belief regarding whether or not they have it, explains so much of the mass programming and propaganda that goes on in the world.
Lastly I think your point about Smith is really important. It is almost like he and Neo both had the potential to be the one, but because Smith believed wholeheartedly that all he existed for was to carry out his program, he never even considered alternatives to conflict. Your final sentence really ties it together nicely. I would word that concept as such in an attempt to make it as concise as possible:
Revelation is useless if you do not believe that you have the free will to make a change in your self and the
world around you with the information you gain.
I greatly enjoyed your response and hope to hear more of your thoughts on this!
The thing I love about the Matrix movies--and hate--is that all 3 movies (and side projects) stay true to the initial philosophy; however they become less entertaining and less easy to understand unless you are well-versed in that philosophy. The movies are impressive and instructional. But they are not always as entertaining as we are used to movies being (we default to drama and explosions--and orgasms).
You reference Campbell in your critique but you should read more of Campbell and about how instructional hero myths are expressed in various cultures, especially obscure cultures. All 3 Matrix movies are consistent with these instructional myths. They are especially consistent with Gnostic philosophy and initiation ceremonies (see 1971 Willy Wonka).
Neo's strange choices are examples of any one of us trying to make our way in the world without knowing the rules or one's purpose. That is constantly expressed as well. It is not plot failure; it is expressing how each of us really lives.
Viewing this as varying expositions on Determinism is a very first year college take on the entire film series. At the very least, if you use the lens of Carl Jung's views and the major lesson of Vedic and other Eastern philosophies (the cycles of Indra) the trilogy becomes a relatable modern retelling of our human purpose. EVEN THE VIDEO GAME GOT THAT RIGHT. You haven't mentioned the game (Path of Neo), nor The Last Transmission of The Osiris as supporting or refuting your ideas here.
If you are going to trash something for youtube likes, understand what you are talking about before you shut down everyone's access to relatable philosophy that we are all starving for.
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the action and effects are amazing. several films and shows have incorporated similar slow-mo and fx. the dialogue is better than the action and the effects. the movies are so ahead of their time, that certain aspects went over my head at the time. the fact that the wachowskis were thinking this way back in the 90's is truly impressive.
I enjoyed the entire trilogy. Yes, the 1st is near perfect and could stand on it's own without the sequels, but I'm happy I got more of the world.
The Philosophy of AMERICAN PSYCHO
YES OH GOD YESS
I have read the book and seen the movie, and all the analysis and videos made about it on youtube. I just wanted a Wisecrack video about it.
So, was my comment on this video pre-determined, or am I breaking free of the comment matrix by realizing that these words may be already pre-determined?
You didn't break free because you still commented. You shoulda resisted destiny and flipped the table, making yourself unable to comment when you did.
TheGoldenDunsparce but flipping the table is yet another part of the program, so you can never be free
Too true!
I love the philosophical tangents. Go watch Die Hard 3 if you want a normal film.
Philosophical tangents...lol...it was hardly that. More like philosophy explained to a three year old.
@@shitmandood Philosophy wrapped and condensed into an entertainment package - otherwise it's a dry college lecture.
@@paullombard00 I always need extra coffee for dry college lectures..lol
Worked at a theater when this came out. We used to stay after and watch the movies the night before they came out. Everyone bolted after the "rave scene".
@@great8413 Yeah, it's a shame because the first movie was fun and innovative.
Your take on Reloaded is definitely shared by the majority, but I have to say, I respectfully disagree. The first Matrix begs the well-worn, if not cliche, philosophical question, how can free will and dependable knowledge of the future coexist. Reloaded and Revolutions resolves this question in favor of free will, without falling into any of the trite contrivances that typically mark the efforts of entertainment to tackle the question. Smith's, the Architect's, and the Merovingian's speeches are intended to convince Neo, et al., that their continued resistance is futile. These are men in positions of power and authority, and as per all men in positions of authority, they maintain that authority through either a show of force (largely ineffective against Neo), or by convincing those over whom they have authority that their authority is complete and omnipotent. Authority is always a con game perpetrated by laying false claim to "Truth," whether that be natural law, religion, or the inevitability of one particular philosophical perspective. This films very lack of determinism is shown by the fact that each of these Authoritarians' speeches on determinism is immediately punctuated by precisely the opposite of what they predicted or wanted. Smith does not assimilate Neo, Persephone subverts the Merovingian's control for a triviality with no logical (my his reckoning) cause, and Neo does not merge with the Source, which is what the Architect both needs and has designed the One to do.
On the other hand, the Oracle is delivering the actual message of the movie on this point: free will is implicit, but influenced by circumstances. Just because the future can be known at some point, doesn't mean that there aren't real choices throughout. Indeed, it is the exercise of free will that, in part, makes the predictability possible. Determinism fails precisely because it refuses to recognize that the world is far more complex than any balanceable equation. It mislabels correlation for causation. It confuses a generally predictable system with specifically deterministic, and therefore controllable, actors.
I was going to disagree when you said "Determinism fails precisely because it refuses to recognize that the world is far more complex than any balanceable equation." As I understand, the Oracle can foresee the future because she perceives all the factors in the matrix and calculates the results - cause and effect. But than I remembered the matrix is not a balanced equation, and that Neo is the sum of that anomaly. So you just offered me a new insight ! What a great metaphor the Matrix trilogy makes for choice vs destiny.
Yeah, possibly the most substantial difference between the Oracle and the authoritarians is that she has the courage to say, "I don't know."
As much as I hate to say this about anything, most of the dislike of these movies seems to come down to "I didn't get it, thus I was bored, thus it was bad." I movies are very flawed I think but mostly in that the 20 minutes action scenes go on way too fucking long and do not hold up in their special effects so the first movie is ironically still the most impressive looking today. But the second and third offer more for re-watches.
One of the things going on with this film is that a small minority can seem like a majority when the majority has no reason to complain. A full 86.9% of votes on IMDB are positive. Almost 73% are voting 7 or higher which is close to "top 250 of all time" territory. Notions that permeate popular culture are very often completely wrong if applied to the real world especially when it comes to people complaining about something. Very few people go online to post comments because they saw a film that they liked. When you have something to complain about you post about it everywhere and the type that likes to complain will post a lot in many places. Every positive comment on here have far more thumbs up than any negative comment and most of the positive comments have some part where they acknowledge that they are in the minority even though that is demonstrably false.
I always thought of it as a battle against determinism ( not knowing that was a term). Like battling a chess master that keeps taunting you that he's manipulating your moves and is in complete control of the board, Neo, Morpheus, Trinity, and even Agent Smith are all battling the architect for control, while everyone is telling them that they've already lost; Zion will be will be taken from the humans, the Matrix will be taken from Smith, the whole game will start over, and every move they make is ensuring it. Thats pretty bold! At the very end, Neo realizes that his part in the Architects plan make an invaluable bargaining chip, and is able to negotiate a peace (basically, lets have peace, or go ahead and kill me and the whole ship goes down). By learning to step out of the mindset the chess master architect put him in, he's able to work out a stalemate and save the people that were supposed to be killed off. If it wasn't so ham handed, it could have been almost awesome.
like you said the second film gain a whole more meaning when contextualise with the last one. And it is totally fine that way for a trillogy. and the view on determinism set everyone straiht pund intended ^^
I remember thinking that it made no sense that the agents were always trying to kill neo if he had a purpose that the matrix needed him to fulfill.
"The audience were left wondering what just happened"
"Why does it feel like nothing actually happened?"
And that, ladies and gentlemen.. Is called success
A far more interesting take on the second movie would have been to use Neo as an antagonist, and watch Agent Smith's ascension as he attempts to defend Order - versus the Chaos that Neo seeks to impose. This could have been interesting as it gives Smith a reason to seek ascension - he has both the need and the capacity to grow to match God-Neo - and also more importantly because he actually chooses to do so (where Neo does not, in my version).
The third movie could have been a discussion/conflict between Neo's representation determinism (ex. his belief in a prophecy that he is destined to destroy the matrix), versus Smith's individual actions to break and escape the system he was designed to defend, to become God-Smith, but ultimately to try to save the system: not because he was designed to do so, but because he chooses it.
In this case, humanity, represented by Neo, appears dogmatic - powerful but trapped by our ideology and our belief in our own destiny. AI, represented by Smith, actually becomes free from the determinism of their programming - and takes willful actions: makes choices.
It would have been an interesting inversion of the computer as deterministic, and the human as erratic - where instead it shows the determinism of human ego, and the willful action of a truly sentient machine: more than the sum of its coding.
Awesome
I like the basic idea of the second movie, but I also like your idea very much.
This would've made a much more compelling trilogy.
This is genius and philosophically interesting, good job!
Wrong way round, Smith does ascend, brings chaos and re-orders Matrix as he sees fit, Neo is the anomaly of this edition designed to bring mathematical balance and order
"If all of Neo's choices are predetermined, how is anybody supposed to root for him"
Nihilism man
The Matrix Trilogy can't be completely understood by someone who's still plugged INTO the Matrix.
Tranceporter Good one
The soundtrack for the movie was the best ever in history
I still think this movie is awesome.
I remember it being extremely bad.
WOW..! When i was young...i thought that MATRIX RELOADED WAS AWESOME..! Come on man!!!
It was - is. Don't let him make up your mind for you.
I'm surprised you didn't mention the fact that The Matrix was only supposed to have ONE SEQUEL. WB wanted it to be a trilogy so the movie's plot was watered down into 2 extra movies.
Cut out the excess exposition and bullshit and you would have a single, solid sequel - in my opinion
A C.
I thought I was the only one who thought this, glad I'm not alone. :-)
So was Avengers Endgame and IW.
Nobody had a clue about what to do with Thanos and the movie passed through many directors. Heck the MCU was pretty much improvisation after the suprise success of Iron Man.
Oh God, reminds me of the Hobbit films. Thanks for fucking it up, Hollywood and your weird obsession with trilogies.
This was exactly the problem. Reloaded is as good as the original except for some obvious filler scenes and Revolutions is almost ruined from it. It was a terrible trend in almost ever series in the 00’s. Harry Potter and Hunger Games also really suffered from this.
Ironically the one movie that actually needed to be broken in two when this was happened to and was not was Dark Knight Rises.
@@gpcovenant, to be fair with Harry Potter, the final book was over 750 pages with little filler. You can’t fill that much story and character in 1 movie.
even had a point or not, the highway segment was AMAZING!!! The burly brawl was too damn long...
All the fights were amazing until you realised that they make up for half of the movie...too much action actually dulled down the incredible skills of the characters and made the programs less intimidating
I think I like these movies for the exact reasons people say it is bad.
I think this is a weak crack at The Matrix Reloaded. "Neo has no agency" is NEVER the point of the conversation with The Oracle. You even outlined the text that said "You already made the choice". It's a deterministic view that makes sense for macro-being, and that the composition of our values and principles will dictate how we 'choose' to react. The Oracle points out the importance of understanding the choice, because it can lead to deeper understanding. This is not the same as not having agency. I think it's being critical for the point of it. "It's a fetch quest" - no it isn't. It shows us that Neo THINKS he's doing the right steps to save Zion, but then The Merovingian says "Do you know why you're here? You're here because you were told to". It shows that Neo actually hasn't questioned why he's been doing what he's doing. Oh look, we have some character development we can do, despite your trashing of Neo's power's in the beginning of the film. "Oh hey guys, this movie sucks because everyone keeps ranting about determinism". OH IT'S ALMOST LIKE THE THEME IS NIETZSCHE'S ÜBERMENCH AND HOW THE ONLY WAY TO BREAK THE CYCLE IS TO UNDERSTAND IT. You also COMPLETELY miss the point of the Architech's speech, that says "We made the One to go reset the Matrix, but it seems this time, you've decided to care more about Trinity than about everyone. You're not going to reset the Matrix like all your predecessors" showing how Neo BREAKS THE DETERMINISM the entire movie's built up to. The Architect is frustrated because Neo doesn't work as intended. Neo's starting to understand what choice is, and it builds on his übermench moment of breaking into the building to save Morpheus. The Matrix 1 points to all of this in saying "No one's ever done this before" with Neo's response "That's why it's going to work".
Honestly, you're like a bad girlfriend that looks at their cellphone during all "boring" monologue, then whines about the action not being relevant, and when you end up missing the ENTIRE point of determinism and Neo; Smith and Neo's connection... It's the same as saying "You know, if you remove the cars from a Formula 1 race, there really isn't much entertainment left".
You are absolutely correct.
Personally, I thought the first movie was extremely good. It was like nothing I had ever seen before. I can see why the guy in the video here can reach the conclusions he does tho. But it simply shows that he didn't undestood any of the movies, like so many others. It takes work to understand them, and you need to see them all as a complete piece to be able to understand them. This guy simply does not understand them. And that's easy to do if you lock yourself into a view. All this is part why the movies are so extremely great and complex, and also part of why you feel raped after watching Reloaded when it was not as you thought it would be.
The One is a remainder of an equation that doesn't add up. But I can think of so many examples of what makes Neo unique after the talk with the Architect - for instance, the very opening of the scene. He does what he is not supposed to do. And agent Smith, who dedicates his whole hmmm... programming... to getting the access codes to Zion. I don't have any will to try to explain it all here, because the internet is full of correct explainations for these movies, but to repeat myself again - suffice it to say, he missed most of the points that makes up the whole story.
Come on
Yes thanks for writing it out
Another thing I dislike about the sequels, is that Neo's godlike powers seem to end at stopping bullets, better Kung Fu and flying. I don't think that was what the original movie implied when it showed those things. The implication was that the rules of the simulation no longer apply to Neo at all. By that logic he wouldn't need to fight anyone.
In Reloaded, Neo seems more godlike outside of the Matrix than inside. Which doesn't make a lick of sense.
Screw the haters, I liked it.
Eventhough I had to watch it 12 times before I knew what was going on...
It has great visuals. it's just popular to hate the movie, just like it is popular to hate The Phantom Menace, and popular to hate Nickelback. Does that make them horrible? Not really, far from it compared to many other disappointing competitors.
Just like what you like.
I loved reloaded almost as much as the first. It was the third that felt like the disappoint of the 3
Completely agree, it felt like they just gave up in the third one.
If you think the determinism ruined THIS movie, I'd love to know what you thought of Cloud Atlas.
bwahahaha
WakenerOne I'm sure that film got allot of ^^^👍👍👍👍 UPS in box office gaining more $$$ than rheir starting budget on film, but I'd rather not see the film. Plot seems to long and boring. To me. I like creative films and humor and laughs and syfy. Hard syfy!! Etc
For me, had I been in my early days of being a "seeker" Cloud Atlas would be good for understanding long term choices/consequences. As it ties into karma and reincarnation. It is a good movie for early seekers to watch.
determinism's true, but i admit. seeing it in a movie. it is boring.
True story. .. Only reason i rembered the movie at all was Monica Bellucci
A forgotten fact is that the name Thomas Anderson was the name of the old man that Beavis and Butthead used to constantly mess with.
9:42
One could argue that the agents gave chase to the Keymaker in order to give the ILLUSION that they would delete him. In giving chase, they strengthened Neo's resolve to use the key maker and pursue the path to the source.
For what is a path -- fabricated or not -- without obstacles. Obstacles test your resolve.
Holy shit. THAT is why the agent that Morpheus holds from his tie doesn't drop Morpheus to his death! Because of the illusion of it all. Mind = Blown.
One way to look at it... or what the Architect pretty much explains at 10:54 The One's purpose is a correction beyond the Agents reach. If the Agents programming let them see big enough picture and gave them ability to let Neo do his thing as he serves their purpose... the necessity of the One would cease to exist since the agents would already posess the means to correct the fault in the matrix.
fucking obstacles i dont wanna get outta bed!
Precisely.
Code S nice one
please do a philosophy of Full Metal Alchemist brotherhood #Wisecrack
Brandon Anderson no
Brandon Anderson Yes I would find the philosophy of Fullmetal Alchemist: Botherhood awesome!
Brandon Anderson that would be right up Wisecracks alley all about science and religion even FMA 2003 is rich with philosophy
I would love to see them do both versions. The endings of both are very different and unique.
the philosiphy is that it wasn't nearly as good as the 2003 version there. No video needed.
What went wrong here is Jarrod tried to decode the film with his teenage enthusiasm rather than constructive criticism.
Nothing wrong with it.
I just saw it again with my brother and it was absolutely worth it, fast-paced, well acted, full of interesting topics at the point that I consider *the entire trilogy a movie as a whole*.
Can't wait to rewatch Revolutions
This was nowhere near the excellence of the first movie. It was just boring. The writers absolutely failed at making a good movie out of their idea. People who say "you just need annhigh IQ to understand" give me jeovah witness vibes lol. They just can't admit the fact that this was as well constructed as a fan fic on whatpad. Not unwatchable but not so good. I guess that's why so many s*xual scenes were inserted in them to keep the audience's attention.
Fast paced? Dude the movie grinds to a dead halt like 5 times just so a character can deliver a lecture on determinism and the actual plot of the movie doesn't even kick in until well over half the runtime.
Not much went wrong! I love The Matrix Reloaded (2003). I have never been in front of greater films than the Matrix tetralogy. From all the possible versions, ourselves, as audience, must be grateful for the final result. I am sure nobody could have come with a better execution of the project than the creators themselves.
He just explained why it didnt suck actually.
^deftonesssTR ...i know right...the Matrix reloaded was fucking awesomeness...i remember when it first came out......i was 20 something...i was mesmerized...ate Chinese food with it at union station in Washington DC...it was general Tso's chicken btw lol...guy doing this vid must be off his meds or something lol
ANONYMOUS GhostSector
Of course he is. BvS ultimate is a masterpiece
@@cvzanikos1 eh it was good, but that's all. A good movie nothing much really lol
Yeah... I don't know how he could lay it all out... then go... "uh, it sucks!"
Uh no, that's all why it was pretty much perfect.
General Tso's chicken is Chinese?
It was the month of May, the sun shining , the birds whistling their spring tune........lol when is your memoir coming out ANONYMOUS? Soppy as fuck!! lol
I loved Reloaded so much, I watched it twice in one day on the big screen.
When Neo chooses the door to go back to the matrix to save trinity, the architect scoffs at the choice, because he didn't expect it. The entire problem, and the reason why the one must exist, is because of free will. Its something that the machines can't predict, which is why humans are able to reject the matrix and wake up.
What went wrong? Wisecrack decided to make this video.
Owen Symes dumbass
rude
it was inevitable
lol, ye. the dude been watching the films 100 times, no wonder he's bored.
"Ohh ho, no," "how embarrassing." To be fair, they didn't know in 2017 what we know about him in 2018.
I didn't dislike the movie per se. However, if you consider what the world set by the first one offered in terms of possbile stories, it could have been much better. When I thought about the "upcoming war" at the end of the original Matrix I sure as hell didn't expect what the sequels turned out to be.
What were you picturing? Just curious, not trying to jab.
If rick and morty is your favourite, then I shouldn’t listen to a word of you, wisecrack
Neo isn't the one to break the cycle, it's agent Smith. I think there's a film theory on it, but I'm sold
Exactly
The Architect never says Neo was Specifically made to experience love for Trinity , he only states that while the others experience love for humanity, he experienced a for more specific love for a particular human. No where did I get The Architect say he specifically created this in Neo. It more like an evolution of the basic feeling from the other five.
It was actually the Oracle who set it up. She tells Trinity she will love The One. The Architect's job is to create a perfect system and the Oracle's job is the opposite.
I swear I honestly don't know why people hate this movie. It's probably the most compelling and thought provoking movie in the series despite some plot holes and occasional 1 dimensional characters/acting (that is in all movies)
Honestly, I think Revolutions is a really boring movie. I'm surprised that people didn't like this one.
There is nothing deep about it. It's shit.
It could be that the films try to be philosophical and knowledgeable, but end up feeling unnecessary.
cannedbollocks you can't dig deep with a blunt shovel (and by that I mean your brain, if you didn't get that)
Congrats on the pointless unrelated and completely without context sentence. Try to say something related to the subject now.
The Matrix is an example of a brilliant movie that didnt need any sequels. It was perfectly fine as it was
I consider it stand alone. The reality is if the original matrix wasn't financially successful the next two wouldn't have been made or probably even written.
The first one was revolutionary. The other 2 got full of themselves