Why Joanna of Castile Wasn't Really Insane - PART 1 | Joanna of Castile | Philip The Fair
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- Joanna of Castile has gone down in history as 'the Mad'. known for her apparent bouts of mental instability, and therefore unable to rule in her own right as Queen of Castile of Leon. But is that actually the truth? Or, was the politically unqualified and naïve Joanna a victim of a controlling husband, and two men who wanted her kingdom for themselves? This video looks at the evidence uncovered in recent years for Joanna's story, and dives into what the truth might really be...
**NOTE: I've made an error in stating that Juan died of a horse-riding accident, when in fact he died of an unknown illness. It was Afonso of Portugal who died when thrown from his horse (Princess Isabella's husband). Apologies, and thank you to the viewer who spotted it! I've now edited that bit out. **
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Thank you for watching! And keep an eye out for Part 2, next Sunday! 😊 Also, apologies for the sound; some teething problems with a new setup that should be fixed by next week. 😅
So what do you guys think? Was Joanna mad? Or just manipulated?
Our family has read about Juana for decades: our mother even wrote a play based on research. We have always doubted the reports about her mental condition, and recent research by Bethany Aram and Gillian Fleming has given further evidence that a lot of what's come down to us is false, exaggerated, or manipulated.
Looking forward to the next part of this presentation.
@Maria E. Torres Aram and Fleming's research is superb, and covers a lot of areas no one else has thought of. One of my sources was Bethany Aram's paper on Joanna's signature or lack thereof, and how Joanna used her lack of signature as a silent protest against lending her monarchical authority to documents - it was kind of amazing that in hundreds of years, no one else had looked at it that way! I think Joanna has suffered especially badly from such acceptance of the misinformation and rumours about her in her lifetime, and I think I've taken a while to get to this story because I feel some pressure in making sure I get this right. And that's wonderful that your mother wrote a play about Joanna! She deserves one.
@@HistorysForgottenPeople I found that article online and have it in my history folder.
Our family introduction to Juana was the 1950s biography of the family "Castles and the Crown" by Townsend Miller. A lot of his take on things has been outdated, but from the start, he has compassion and a sense of outrage on Juana's behalf; and he gives an intelligent, compelling argument for her courage and resistance against the forces against her.
Poor woman was manipulated
@@ptrcnns1405 I wonder, though, if the "problem" was that she couldn't be manipulated: so much of her story contains elements of rebellion, defiance, and stubborn will - when Philip actually did attempt to lock her away, she grabbed a poker from the fireplace and went after the man attempting to take her. He ran out the door real fast. The people who ad a stake in taking her power seemed to have to work around her; create enemies and legends; literally pull her out of society and lock her away, likely because she refused to be controlled or manipulated.
Jonna wasn't mad; her husband and father just wanted the throne.
Don’t you mean her father and son? I think her “madness” didn’t show up till her husband died.
@@Apollo1989V Philip also wanted the throne and wasn't satisfied with being just consort.
Her husband, yes.
Pretty much sums up what I think, as well. I think Joanna was first a victim of a controlling husband, and then later her 'odd' behaviour (likely a response to the extreme stress she was under) was used to suit Ferdinand and Philip. Even if Joanna did have a mental instability, most historians now believe it was likely depression.
@@Apollo1989V Word about her "madness" did indeed start with Philip, who went so far as to send running reports to Isabel and Fernando making the most out any episodes. This report came back to bite him when Fernando used it to bolster his own claim to governing Castile after Isabel's death. I do believe, in support of Juana, that Philip didn't start spreading stories until her position as heir apparent to Castile and Aragon came about.
To me, she sounds like someone who was in desperate need for help and care but found nothing but mistreatment and abuse!
I feel deeply sorry for her!
Same here - it's taken me a while to get to doing Joanna's story as I find it hard to read about! I feel as though her mother tried to help her as best she could without breaking the bond of marriage between man and wife (which as a Catholic, would have come before all else), by trying to get her to stay in Spain for regal 'training'. Had she stayed, I think it would have helped Joanna break from Philip's control.
She seems to have been independent and thought for herself. Still qualities not appreciated by all men today. I feel very bad for her. She deserved appreciation she did not get. Thanks so much for this video.
You're right in that we can recognise her qualities and personality would still come up against criticism today. Even her mother Isabella, who was known for riding into battle against the Moors, wasn't able to legitimise her own regal authority until she was married.
Choosing her husband ruined her life.
The political avarice that came from both her, sadly, husband and father is indicative of how the establishment favored the men despite the strong claim and right that a woman might have to ruling a kingdom. That is, actually, one of the reasons why Queen Elizabeth I of England made it her lifetime’s mission to stay single despite the ongoing pressure from an all-male dominated parliament and the men of influence in her court. Marriage for a regnant Queen was a means of compromising her base of political power since her husband was typically seen as being the superior partner in the marriage despite his spouse’s superior title as Queen. Really terrible times to be a woman in that era, even if you were a regnant Queen in your own right.
You're absolutely spot on - and so, sadly for Joanna, by the time she became a widow and could have become a strong ruler in her own right, the damage was already done, and she was already seen as a weak queen due to the image of her. There's a phrase (it's in Part 2, next week) that a chronicler used when her father came back from Aragon and took over - basically saying that the scriptures themselves stated everything could only be at peace when a male king was in charge. Sums up the political reality of the 15th and 16th centuries, unfortunately!
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Yes, I concur with every single word you have written. I think in later centuries, most notably during 18th century at the time when the Enlightenment period swept throughout Europe. Many female rulers established greater authority over the patriarchal establishment by using both their intelligence and physical attributes to gain the secure position that they had needed in order to assert their authority. Good example of this would be Empress Elizabeth of Russia and later on, Catherine II or known to posterity as Catherine the Great. I really enjoy your videos because it is very insightful, informative and presented in a precise and clear manner that is a credit to you, the proprietor of this channel. Thank you. 🙂
@@OfficeSpace2909 Thank you very much, that's very kind of you to say so. 😊
Joanna had the power to kill his mistresses when she became queen of Castile and Leon.
Small correction: Juan didn't die from a horse riding accident: he died of an unspecified illness which was attributed to an excess of passion during his marriage. There was a horse-riding death in the family, but the victim was prince Afonso of Portugal, first husband of Juana's sister Isabel (the husband whose death you mention young Isabel was mourning. She married his brother Manuel. After young Isabel's death, Manuel married Juana's other sister, Maria. After the death of Maria, he married Juana's daughter Catalina.
You're quite right! Apologies, I must have got mixed up when writing my script. I'll make a note of it in the description. Thank you for spotting it!
@@HistorysForgottenPeople It's so easy to get confused! So many people and events over so many years to keep track of. At least we're not dealing with the overload of Henrys and Edwards during the 1460's through 1480's!
One other thing! Manuel of Portugal married Juana's daughter Eleanor, not Catalina. Catalina married Manuel's son and her first cousin.
@@marshavilkas3512 Correct, thank you!
Holy smokes, Maria. That seems so incestuous. Thanks for the detail.
Joanna wasn’t mad . Her father and her husband wanted her throne for themselves. She spent half a century locked up because of them ..
I've always thought even if Joanna did have mental health problems, locking her up was still horrific - along with all the other poor people throughout history with the same label who had to suffer similar treatment or worse. But the fact she wasn't mad makes it even more terrible.
@@HistorysForgottenPeople and some people think that she was mad all her life. I honestly believe that she was just suffering from a severe case of postpartum depression and her symptoms got worse because she wasn’t getting any medical help or care. Her grandmother Isabella of Portugal suffered from mental illness .
Back in that time, any woman with a mind and will of her own was considered mad. Add an education and they were considered maniacs. After the stories of what she was put through, ot wouldn't be surprising if she had been driven crazy. Somehow, I don't think she was but I do think that she was a victim of men who desperately desired power no matter how they got it or who they had to trample over.
I think she was severely depressed, and frustrated beyond comprehension. She probably acted out because of the frustration. No-one listened, and no-one cared. Enough to make anyone 'mad'.
Even in this day and age, many consider anyone with depression mad.
I agree, I think a fair amount of her behaviour is completely understandable. If I'd been locked up in a single room for even a fraction of the time Joanna was, I think I'd have done far worse than she did. I don't know what kept her going through her life, but I truly believe she had a hidden strength.
Reminds me of someone else life who was driven to distraction,an ended badly
Such a sad situation. To be used by her husband and then her own father is a tragedy all in the name of power. If all that met and spoke with her said she was quite normal I think she was. What a horrible plot by the men she loved.
When all the evidence is put together, it becomes quite obvious that she was used just to gain power. I've no doubt that the stories towards the end of her life about her paranoia and attacking people were true, but then I expect I'd be the same if I had been treated the way Joanna was, and then locked away for decades in two rooms (as she was under her father and brother's reigns).
Despite of her condition she managed to raised her daughter Catherine of Austria very well. Catherine of Austria was also named after her aunt Catherine of Aragon.
She did - there's quite a sad story I think Catherine of Austria wrote down somewhere, of how it was when she had to leave her mother to get married. They had endured the imprisonment together, had an incredibly close bond, and suddenly, Juana was going to be left alone. She was happy for her daughter to go, but she refused to eat for days afterwards, and remained in bed for a week or so.
Her situation feels like Britney Spears' situation. She was abused and use for her power.
You know, that's a really good modern comparison, you're right. And you even see the same pattern, with father/partners taking their part in adding to that myth of someone being 'mad'.
The more things change; the more they stay the same. Misogyny.
I was about to write the same thing. A fully capable woman abused and imprisoned (physically, financially, socially, etc) for the power of their male 'guardians'. There are definitely others that don't have the profile of Britney.
Worth remembering that parents can be abusive AND shower their kids in "love" and gifts. THese are not mutually exclusive, especially in families steeped in religious zealotry.
This happens even in atheism and that I’ve been witness to, when I was an atheist.
@@EmilyGloeggler7984 Every parent is capable of abuse... Atheists are also their own special brand of zealots too. I've known some atheists who are just as steeped in cult mentality as the most hardcore xtians... they just get zealous about the *lack* of god rather than worshipping a god. My point is still very valid... and worse for the proselytising about xtian values.
Ferdinand was a real jerk to his daughters. Charles V wasn't much better towards his mother, either.
He certainly wasn't! That's coming up in Part 2, sadly.
@@HistorysForgottenPeople I read somewhere that Catherine of Aragon was surprised that her nephew didn't take after Philip or Juana in looks.Both were supposed to be extremely attractive in looks.Philip was a heartless cad IMO.
Joanna's daughter in law isabella of Portugal needs to be in this series.
@@susanmccormick6022He took after Maximilian, specifically his famous Habsburg jawline.
Ugh, it was terrible how women were treated then! SMH. But, Wasn't her name spelled and pronounced as "Juana" ?? 👑 🤔
Yeah, I did use the English pronunciation in these videos, and it's something I don't really do anymore. I try to use the pronunciation native to that person's country where possible, or at least make a note of it (for example with Catherine of Aragon, who is better known by that name than Catalina de Aragon).
Her kids Ferdinand and Mary married another brother and sister duo - Anna and Louie, marrying 1 year apart! And, Phillip’s sister Margaret married Joanna’s brother John, at around the same time that Joanna and Phillip were married!! 😂🤣
It's ridiculous keeping up with the family tree - especially the further you get down the Hapsburg line, where it gets even more confusing!
@@HistorysForgottenPeople It wasn’t confusing for me, I just thought it uncanny that 2 brother and sister duos married a year later. They all met at the wedding, perhaps?? 😂 And the husband’s sister married the wife’s brother at around the same time..did they all go on a double first date, perhaps?? I’m surprised that they just didn’t have a double wedding, but then the ladies probably figured that it would cause problems, with one bride trying to outshine the other. 😂🤘🏽
I think its very possible her mom did torment her for religion. Plenty of parents still do so. Her mother was a fanatic and religion was arguably the most important thing
Yes, but the royal dynasty was equally important, and harming the royal body would have meant the possibility of no further heirs. Even here in England, royal children were often giving a 'whipping boy' to take their punishments, as the idea of striking royalty was so abhorrent. It was, of course, the 15th century, and parental discipline was very different to what we would do today - Joanna could have been put in seclusion, had favoured people removed from her household, but the question is whether Isabella tortured her children, to which I would say no. There's only one piece of evidence for it, written years after Isabella's death, and something like that would have been hard to keep quiet. There's also the fact that later on, there was horror amongst the nobles and upper clergy when they found out Joanna had been beaten and abused by Mosen Ferrer while he was her gaoler, further proving that striking or harming the royal body was not acceptable.
Thank you so much for the deep dive into the life of Joanna. I look forward to part two. Most of the history videos that I've watched about her have really over simplified her story. I'm definitely subscribing and turning on notifications.
Thank you so much! Great to have you here. 😊 Her story definitely needs a deeper look; I've been a little intimidated to do her story for just that reason, as there are so many pieces of new evidence that just aren't popular knowledge yet. I hope you enjoy Part 2 when it's out on Sunday!
@@HistorysForgottenPeople You did a fantastic job telling her story so don't be intimidated. You have got this! I really enjoyed part one and I'll be watching part two.
It’s almost like they realized girls were good at math and science and tried to hid that 😅
There's nothing more terrifying than women being good at things! 🤣
@@HistorysForgottenPeoplealthough the comment is funny at the same time, in some counties that’s still true. Even in the west it’s hard for some to accept women can be as smart as men
Wasn't mad mad and huby and father were bastards, maybe mum sort of too rigid in her education but admittedly she was a few biscuits short of a packet. And I am sorry for her but not for her parents the makers of the Spanish Inquisition.Maybe cause of some curses all of their children had such terrible faiths.
One of the best documentaries of Joanna of Castile. If Joanna was emotionally unstable it was because of her husband & father's gaslighting and controlling actions.
A mi me encanta esta música preciosa y podría escucharla durante todo el día entero ❤😊
I did a presentation on Isabella of Castille last year for a college class. Ferdinand promised in his marriage contract with Isabella not to take the inheritance of their then future children. So much for keeping that promise.
There was no “neglect” in foreign languages. She was fluent in French and Latin.
She certainly was, but compared to other royal daughters of Europe at the time, they didn't know as many languages. As an example, both Joanna and her sister, Katherine, did not speak the languages of the countries they were married into when they first arrived.
Yo creo que ella fue muy lista no solamente en Francés y Latín, pero en muchos aspectos de la vida ❤😊
Quiero decir no sólo en Francés y en Latín sino en muchos otros aspectos de la vida ❤😊😊
I've learned a lot here. Thank you so much 😀
Thank you for watching! I'm glad you enjoyed the video. 😊
I may be 'jumping the gun', but both Ferdinand and Philip had money coined, each with their own name and Joanna.
I think you're right, they absolutely did - both knew their claim was useless unless they had the veneer of saying Juana was on board with it all. Ordinary people seeing the coins might have shrugged and thought, "Well, Queen Juana's on there, they must be including her."
Love these videos. Would like some about Eleanor of Aquitaine.
I have done some (very early, nearly two years ago now) videos on Eleanor of Aquitaine, but I have been thinking about re-doing them, so it might be worth waiting!
Can't wait for pt2
It's well underway! 😊 There was just too much to fit in one video, this time.
Why hello! I went into a nap and woke up only now, thus the lack of presence at 7pm.
I have a soft spot for her- an episode (I’m not sure of it is described in this video yet) she supposedly did was, when disobeyed about travelling through some lands at war, she stayed up all night banging in the stable doors to make people get up and go- sounds like something I might do, actually😭
Yes, she did! I sort of briefly mention it, but not the door-banging - it was when she wanted to return to her husband in Burgundy instead of (sensibly, in my opinion) stating in Spain with her mother. She refused to eat, sleep, and stood out in the rain as a form of protest. I must admit, I really have a soft spot for Joanna too, and I find her story quite hard. I've meant to do it for awhile, but it's quite intimidating, somehow!
her madness was fabricated by the vultures who wanted to steal her power
Many of the women of royal history always got screwed over by the men that controlled the volumes of chronicles, memories and OPINIONATED writings.. they were children pawned.. yes, maybe a few were smart and greedy (i.e. Isabella of Angeloume, Eleanor of Provence, et.al.) but there were good women that got bad wraps.
Thank you for this video, I learned a lot, just assumed the torture story was true but now I have doubt.
You're welcome, I'm glad you enjoyed it! 😊 It's so funny how many events in history are sometimes made up or slightly altered, it's not surprising we all get caught out by them!
Weak and selfish men said she was so that was all it took to get their way.
Well done! Great information on the political climate that Johana lived in. Well that's a shame she was given that label!
Thank you! 😊 It really does make me wince when I still see people calling her 'Juana la Loca', but hopefully that will fade as more people learn more of her real story.
I don't know if anyone agrees but, I kinda disagree with this idea of Philip and Henry VIII being like each other and I believe Philip was far worse. don't get me wrong, I know Henry had much more body count but the thing is, on personality level, Henry was also a good man at some point and his decent into madness started after he was separated from Catherine and isolated and lost the peace and comfort he had for two decades! the tragedy he experience with both Anne Boleyn and Jane Seymour didn't exactly made it better and at that point he almost was finishing the half of his life, in his 40s and had gone through much hard shit, which includes losing so many of his children. What's Philip's excuse for being such a horrible human being in that much young age and experiencing no hard shit? he literally had zero respect for those around her, including his father, least of all Juana. I really don't want to know what he might have turned out to if he lived longer, gained much more and faced the rebellions in Spain that happened in next years
That's a fair comment, and while I think they were as bad as each other, I can certainly understand your point of view! 😊 You're right as well in that we can point to specific points with Henry's life that could have affected him badly (his jousting head injury, his separation from Catherine), but for Philip he seems to have just been an awful person from the start. I suppose on Philip's side, he lost his mother at a young age like Henry did, so that's a possible trigger. 🤔
Isabella of Castile was a better mother to Juana's sister, Isabella of Aragon,
Her husband was an adulterous monster
Joanna thought for herself. and was not easily manipulated..men dislike and fear such women they prefer the bedroom. and. kitchen only type....!!!!
Catherine was queen of England, not Austria
She married Prince Arthur and then King Henry the Vlll after Arthur’s death
The Catherine I think you're referring to was Joanna's daughter, not her sister (who was also famously Catherine of Aragon, and who her daughter was named after), and became queen of Portugal in 1525 when she married King John III of Portugal. She was known as 'of Austria' as she was an Archduchess of Austria as the daughter of Philip, Duke of Burgundy, whose father was the Holy Roman Emperor, Maximilian I.
I guess we know who Jamie Spears took notes from regarding the treatment of his daughter. #FreeJuana
Could you do one on Lady Frances Grey after if you can.
I'll certainly add her to my list for possible future videos. 😊
I'm back from working on my genealogy. Isabella has been there for years, but originally from a long way off--the Norman Kings. I have Joanna to 7th-cousin now, all related Holy Roman Emperors, and still need more work on Portugal, the Austrians, etc. A couple things I decided to note from the start. No, I don't think Joanna was insane, but her father wanted Castile, evidently to Joanna's exclusion. Also, Isabella's political selections were good. The Habsburg are of course famous for continued in-breeding.
Thanks! Being a Hapsburg princess was not a good thing.
Wow. Every other videos about these 2 described Philip as a perfect husband and gentleman😭
I think there were a lot of historians who accepted that view for a long time, and it's really only in the later 20th century views began changing. A lot of new evidence has come out in the last 20 years or so that shows everyone involved in a very different light.
Astro:Like heck he was.
Haven’t heard of this person who sounds more like a victim of other’s ambitions than insane.
I have however, heard of Queen Isabella thought, the Queen who won the Reconquista. Will you been covering her at some point like you did on Bloody Mary.
I possibly might, especially as she is covered a little bit in this one as Joanna's mother. Her's is definitely also an interesting story!
@@HistorysForgottenPeople fantastic. Looking forward to it.
Queen Isabella is not some small character in history; she truly to this day remains the greatest monarch the world has known even greater than queen elizabeth I interestingly both names are the same in English and Spanish isabella as a name does not exists in spanish its Isabel=Elizabeth so her name translated to English should have been Queen Elizabeth I of Castile; just like you never hear a King Phillip II in movies as Felipe II;in English both in movies and in his lifetime he was known in England like PHILLIP II OF SPAIN back in his native Spain his name was Felipe=Philip; queen Elizabeth I of England was known as reina Isabel I de Inglaterra; Isabella therefore was a really bad idea all around when they decided to translate her name to English it was just Elizabeth I of Castile; Simple i dont know whose idea was to name her isabella in english; but it really did not do justice but more a disservice to the illustrious name in question
@@joelas87 I agree with you.
It’s really annoying when people referred to her as Isabella when the Spanish pronunciation is Isabel.
I guess sometimes people have to use the names that their audience would be familiar with.
@@HistorysForgottenPeople i cannot wait; your work is always impeccable; very well
researched material and sources like always; so that one is definitely going to be no different from all your works lady; I’m so impatiently excited and thrilled for a Queen Isabel of Castile series on this channel; I’m sure you have other million more requests ahead of hers already in the works and that it will take you quite sometime before you get the opportunity to get to her; and knowing all the material there is out there; and how good you are at sorting through it; it will be so freaking amazing i’m sure; the wait will be absolutely worth it; judging from all your impecable work; as always; can’t hardly wait enough for it. 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻😭😭😭
History ❤
Yelp!😂🤣 Try to tell y'all. Politics are something else. Stay away from people who will do anything for power and prestige.👀 Keep your sanity and stay away from people who are willing to victimize innocent people.🛑
I've got admit, I'm happy to tell the history of those involved in politics, but I definitely wouldn't want to join in! 🤣
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It’s kinda ironic that her and her niece Mary Tudor have nicknames lol Joanna the mad and Bloody Mary seems like the queens back that had nicknames
I think the sad truth is she wasn’t mentally ill. But her life might have been easier if she actually was
Isabella of Castile was not a good mother for Juana of Castile, She may have given her children a fine education but that was just politics. These girls were raised to wed Kings.
You must remember that when I've said that, it's in comparison to expectations and parenting of the time - it certainly wouldn't be considered 'good parenting' today, you're right! We can never judge the past by the standards of today.
That was the standard for any monarch’s children, especially daughters. Isabella’s daughter, Joanna and Catherine especially, got a better education than most noble women and Isabella I originally honored her older daughter’s wish to remain unmarried after she was widowed and only pressured her to accept remarriage for the sake of a possible future Portuguese-Spanish union.
Pooor woman had a disability
I think Juana had serious psychiatric problems, but it is certainly debatable whether or not her problems were debilitating enough to deny her the throne.
No.
Well, that's pretty much what I've said in the video, yes.
You ommitted the fact that Joanna stayed by Phillip's casket for a very long time after his death, opening it often telling herself that God will bring him back to life. I never thought she was mad but this behaviour is pushing her "normality" a bit too far. She was probably bipolar or a narcissist (being indulged in as a child) being pushed over the edge by Phillip's death. Her extreme jealousy and paranoia could also have been a sign of schizophrenia
I didn't see any research stating that Juana opened the casket, except for the one small story that states it was likely done to check his body was still in there (I mention the reasons for this in the video). Bearing in mind than any later statements by her father were easily propaganda, the only actual evidence that exists shows that she travelled with the coffin to the cathedral in an expected way. If she had been throwing herself all over the coffin and weeping over it/opening it up, there would have been contemporary sources of some kind mentioning it (especially those of her father's spies) and yet there is none. Could you link me to that evidence somewhere? There's no real evidence she had any mental illness other than probable depression and severe anxiety, and those seem to have mostly been exacerbated after she was locked away by her father. I reckon most people would be effected the same way.
Joanna was not a narcissist! She either had schizophrenia, bipolar disorder, or depression. She was not a narcissist!
@@thesolitarymage5995 yeah. the one who has wrote this, is ignorant
I can attest that as a little girl that it’s tough when you have false Christian parents like Juana and I did have. My Mom was “loving” but she could be quite abusive and manipulative when any of her children didn’t agree to become part of the cult of Catholicism (which is one of many cults of false Christianity). In fact, that’s just what happened with me and especially when I questioned the Catholic cult in front of her and my Aunt. In fact, my Mom went further and tried to gaslight me to stay and even after I found out how unbiblical , erroneous, and, frankly, evil Catholicism actually is and I left that cult, my Mom threatened me if I ever tried to get “excommunicated” - but frankly I don’t care. I also found her far leftist liberal behavior as well as condoning actual witchcraft to be highly hypocritical in light of what the Bible actually says. My Dad was not much better as he was part of another cult of false Christianity called Episcopal, and when I pointed out Biblically where his behavior was hypocritical, he got hyper defensive and would also do abusive things to me, although my Dad never inappropriately touched me as my Mom did. Needless to say, a parent can appear loving but also abusive and be a false Christian, like my parents and Juana and her family were.
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So many experts in the comments do they have correct information or not?
To suggest she was obviously well treated by her mother, due to the fact she had the best of everything, clothing, etc , is more than a little naive for so many reasons.
I didn't suggest it entirely on that; that was merely one reason of many. You've missed the most important point where Isabella wouldn't have harmed the royal body of her daughter even if she hated her (of which there is little to no evidence), as Joanna had to be able to have heirs, and Isabella was concerned with cementing the family dynasty. Isabella also always wanted her children by her side - not something expected of a royal ruler at the time, and not the actions of a woman who isn't maternal. I'm not pretending for a moment that Isabella was anything like a modern-day mother, but by 14th century standards, she treated her children very well.
And to counter your argument, the evidence for Isabella torturing Joanna (which is still a widely held conception), is based entirely on just one letter.
I think you mean JUANA DE CASTILLA
In English, her name is better known as 'Joanna of Castille', just as her sister is better known as 'Catherine of Aragon', as opposed to Catalina. I have a primarily English-speaking audience, so I use the anglicised forms for recognition. If my audience were mainly Spanish, I would use their proper Spanish names. As an example the other way around, Henry VIII is Enrique VIII when spoken of in Spanish histories.
Juana la loca in Spanish.
La pobre de Juana NO fue nada loca 😜, lo que occurred fue que su marido. Felipe el Majo, tenía la costumbre de beber agua 💦 helada después de jugar al fútbol, y esto probablemente fue la causa de su muerte 💀, 🎉😢
I changed my @ just for her 😂 Joannas gotta stick together. She got railroaded!
I love your @ change! ❤️😅
@@HistorysForgottenPeople Thanks!! lol
At least she was rich.
Smart Joanna😂… was a devout atheist and had a genius quick mind. ❤
Poor Joanna!!!! Her parents were idiots...😢
Those girls. Imagine that. Joanna. Golly. Pfeiffer peppers what?!? Convert or wahat? Like being a protestants being in aroom full of catholics proclaiming...stufff..her stories seldom told. Oh my. There she blows. A while of a tale and genealogy and roots. Old Trees.
Love right back brother from another heaven only knows..cuz. ❤️ 🙏 💙
Maybe to much interbreeding,
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How would you know?
STOP
Did you actually watch the video?
By examining evidence and contemporary sources written at the time. Joanna was deemed insane, but this might be an exaggeration/demonization of manic depression for a political agenda.
No she just had a womanizer for a husband and a power hungry father
Not mad but likely borderline.
Modern historians now believe Joanna may have suffered with depression, or - as you say - possibly with something like bipolar disorder. Even so, none of those should have barred her from the throne, (there were plenty of male examples who ruled) and the evidence is that she was manipulated by her husband and father, whatever her mental state.
@@HistorysForgottenPeople One prime example is Charles VI of France, who suffered from delusions, and tried his best to prepare the kingdom from his recurring episodes. But he remained king of France nonetheless.
@@HistorysForgottenPeople Bipolar is also likely. Her family had a story of mental health issues in both directions, ancestry and descendants.
This is highly misleading. Royal parents were extremely strict on their children, and parents generally were more strict than parents are today. Queen Isabella was a tough warrior queen. She wasn't raising weak children she was raising monarchs. Please do not put today's morally and emotionally weak lens on people who lived hundreds of years ago
They were extremely strict, (I believe I mention that briefly), but they also didn't torture children they required to later produce heirs. This is based on recent evidence from Bethany Aram and Gillian Fleming, among others, so not an 'emotionally weak lens'.
Isabella was a commander and political leader, not a warrior. Also, she was raising consorts: Joanna was never expected to be Queen, until the death of her older brother, sister and nephew. Physically abusing noblewomen, especially princesses, was always considered bad. Also, your strange attempt at branding condemnation of domestic abuse as ‘morally and emotionally weak’ is concerning.
YES, SHE WAS NUTS,CRAZY,INSANE,MADNESS ETC......