Alternate Picking Vs Economy Picking - DragonForce Herman Li & Jason Richardson All That Remains

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Komentáře • 169

  • @tylerm8145
    @tylerm8145 Před 4 lety +54

    5:03
    "Yeah................yeah."
    "Yeah."
    "Yeah."
    This is all very good and insightful shit tho

  • @louisanthony266
    @louisanthony266 Před 4 lety +59

    Look at those 2 legends just chatting away about legend thing.

  • @ebmusicman1635
    @ebmusicman1635 Před 4 lety +25

    I bought all of Jasons tabs and would definitely recommend it, a very good learning tool to say the least! Also very true about UG, must spend a good chunk of time correcting tabs to be playable and more ergonomic.

  • @spoon4peace
    @spoon4peace Před 4 lety +7

    All That Remains opened for DragonForce when I saw them live in '06 following the release of Inhuman Rampage. Can't believe that was 14 years ago, wow.

  • @fsantos1595
    @fsantos1595 Před 4 lety +46

    Hey Herman invite Roberto Barros. The most brutal alternate picking from the last 4.54 billion years. 😈🤘🖤

  • @rodrigofranco3716
    @rodrigofranco3716 Před 4 lety +21

    Herman,there's a Brazilian guitarist called Roberto Barros now he is playing with Edu Falaschi, he has a very advanced alternated picking technique and He developed a revolutionary method, if you could invite him it would be amazing !!!

  • @laurobs8
    @laurobs8 Před 4 lety +24

    Herman, invite Roberto Barros... World deserves to know him. He has an awesome sharp technique and he is an awesome person.
    Regards!

  • @1000BrokenKeys
    @1000BrokenKeys Před 4 lety +2

    playing more than 8 different pitches per second is the human ear threshold to distinguish them from each other, otherwise only direction of travel and top and bottom notes in a phrase can be perceived. Hence, double up on repetition by alternate picking, or downpick with palmmute for that uncompromising pick attack. To promote effortless execution, use grouped/chunking twitching movements from the wrist. Use the arm and shoulder primarily to stabilise the picking hand.

  • @marcelokuczura9660
    @marcelokuczura9660 Před 4 lety +47

    Roberto Barros Cyborg the best alternate picking the universe.

  • @wyeth1023
    @wyeth1023 Před 4 lety +6

    Now get Rick Graham on xD

  • @dylanedwards2056
    @dylanedwards2056 Před 4 lety +2

    I was once one of those turds on a comment section on a JR vid and I deeply regret falling into it 😫 been trying to be a more positive person and not cave to a troll and dive into the keyboard war ever since. Love this excerpt I need to sub to Herman on Twitch. Jason gives such great insight into has technique and the application and reasoning of it here. Love his playing and analysis of the music that he creates

  • @JPkulotTV
    @JPkulotTV Před 4 lety +14

    wow. I wish i could play like that.

    • @thestibblr6637
      @thestibblr6637 Před 4 lety +6

      learn

    • @Growlizing
      @Growlizing Před 4 lety

      I wish I could, but I will never put in the time required now that I have a full time job.

    • @k.a.m_dh9959
      @k.a.m_dh9959 Před 3 lety +1

      @@thestibblr6637 honestly don't think I thought of that

  • @DavidNwokoye
    @DavidNwokoye Před 4 lety +15

    7:16 SOOOO TRUE 😂😂😂

  • @lucasjames5682
    @lucasjames5682 Před 4 lety +1

    YOOOOOO I feel like you two should have a permanent show. I feel like Herman Li and Jason Richardson are like two of only a small few people who pushed the envelope on pure old school metal shredding in the 2000s, and honestly of these guys were probably alot of peoples first guitar player who made them say "Okay I did not know that was fucking possible until right now". There's been alot of good guitarists in the 2000s but in terms of just straight setting the fretboard on fire balls to the walls speed metal shredding these two are the ones whove kept that spirit alive in a big way

    • @coggenstein
      @coggenstein Před 3 lety

      I only found out who Jason Richardson was a week ago, now I'm obsessed with him I'm looking at guitar world videos featuring him, interviews with him. He is the first guitarist that made me want to try music for a career because he is a modern shredder making money from tabs and songs and he is so good to learn from. I've completely changed my own guitar playing style in the week that I've been listening to his music

  • @AWM8
    @AWM8 Před 3 lety +1

    Very Interesting. Never heard about economy picking before.

  • @interficiam
    @interficiam Před 4 lety +15

    This video is waaaay too advanced for me. I'm here like "What are alternate and economy picking?" But I like the guitar playing :D

    • @TheTom951guitar
      @TheTom951guitar Před 4 lety +6

      Alternative is like, picking down up down up down up down
      Economy is more like down up down down up down down up. Just the 2nd down changes string and gets a sweepy effect.

    • @dr.cronik0_038
      @dr.cronik0_038 Před 3 lety +1

      @@TheTom951guitar thanks for that, had no idea what economy was.

    • @aidilmubarock5394
      @aidilmubarock5394 Před 3 lety

      When you move to different strings you can :
      - Move your pick up and down aka. alternate picking or
      - Doing mini sweep ex. up up/down down picking(way less movement/economic picking)

  • @yugen9345
    @yugen9345 Před 4 lety +1

    6:55 Follow the signs 🔥

  • @da-gamer2017
    @da-gamer2017 Před 4 lety +1

    Love you guys, so cool

  • @RobertoBarros
    @RobertoBarros Před 3 lety +1

    Thank you all for remind of me in the middle of this titans of guitar talk

  • @davewebster5120
    @davewebster5120 Před 9 měsíci

    Jason is that guy.

  • @pedrocam
    @pedrocam Před 4 lety +18

    You need to know Roberto Barros. He is a guitar monster and have an insane alternate picking technique.

  • @unclelelax8341
    @unclelelax8341 Před 4 lety +3

    Economy for Effortless Speed... Everytime I hear economy picking I remember Rick Graham's WTF lick

  • @unclelelax8341
    @unclelelax8341 Před 4 lety +7

    Herman Interview Rick Graham...

  • @richardwilliams3497
    @richardwilliams3497 Před 4 lety +1

    Might just buy his tabs to support him, not anywhere near playing that fast but I feel like musicians especially now need the support

  • @cesaremacaro8961
    @cesaremacaro8961 Před 4 lety +18

    You should invite Roberto Barros!!! Search for him, he has a revolutionary technique about alternate picking and also a great person to play guitar with!

  • @kerryh8er04
    @kerryh8er04 Před 4 lety

    I did not expect to come to a metal guitar music theory lecture. Still cool to listen too.

  • @souravgarg2873
    @souravgarg2873 Před 4 lety +2

    Your thoughts on SWYBRID picking? I guess it put no limits on the amount of even/odd combinations you might come across while crossing strings.

  • @andersonhenrique9616
    @andersonhenrique9616 Před 4 lety +14

    Hello Herman, Do you know Roberto Barros Cyborg !? He is the Brazilian guitarist for Edu Falaschi's band and has a very good concept of alternate picking, I would love it if you invited him to talk about it.

  • @Celestial_Being666
    @Celestial_Being666 Před 3 lety

    Jason Richardson is one of modern metals best

  • @jaysonfoy4486
    @jaysonfoy4486 Před 4 lety +1

    Hi herman li 🤘 I am a big fan!

  • @plebplane5037
    @plebplane5037 Před 4 lety +2

    9:27 *looks at guitars in the background

  • @jaysonfoy4486
    @jaysonfoy4486 Před 4 lety

    Love the videos

  • @GrimmMusic
    @GrimmMusic Před 4 lety

    1:59 That sounded like "Sea of lies" from Symphony X

  • @dmitriystoyanov933
    @dmitriystoyanov933 Před 4 lety

    Playstaition One.. This is my childhood. Cool.

  • @sahirytube
    @sahirytube Před 4 lety

    I don't know how to play guitar but still watching this. Just my passion for music is strong.

  • @D-Man_Jam
    @D-Man_Jam Před 4 lety +3

    Downpicking: _"hey."_

  • @jparkerriffs
    @jparkerriffs Před 4 lety

    super sick

  • @theunpretentiousvegan8593

    Two legends are talking about guitar and playing amazing scales, and I'm infatuated with chat talking about all the sports they've played.

  • @1mateussuetam
    @1mateussuetam Před 4 lety +3

    6:56 I have really, really sure that I heard this before... not this specific solo, but all this pattern reminds me from Angra so much

  • @ed209v6
    @ed209v6 Před 4 lety

    I use all three, alternate, sweep and economy.

  • @lucasjames5682
    @lucasjames5682 Před 4 lety +1

    Has anyone noticed that when jason played that slow riff he sounded literally liek Michael Romeo from Symphony X?

    • @tmmmedia731
      @tmmmedia731 Před 4 lety

      Love them! One of the few bands I saw live before I knew who they were and stuck with me

  • @Blockpit
    @Blockpit Před 4 lety +6

    BASS is the answer! No picking😎

    • @dragonforce
      @dragonforce  Před 4 lety +8

      Hahahaha!

    • @-GameHacKeR-
      @-GameHacKeR- Před 4 lety +1

      @@dragonforce only slappp, $105.04 richer now, bass incoming ?

    • @Blockpit
      @Blockpit Před 4 lety +6

      @@dragonforce this reply is a big deal for me, I'm taking a screenshot and hanging it on my wall. I love you all. ❤️😭🌈

    • @cypherbrittainnethegodofsl4988
      @cypherbrittainnethegodofsl4988 Před 4 lety +4

      No picking, only SLAPP or TAPP

  • @gabrieljosesilvaledo
    @gabrieljosesilvaledo Před 4 lety +4

    roberto barros is the most amazing guy in the alternate picking that the world has ever seen, please call him

  • @4466svenjohnpetrucci
    @4466svenjohnpetrucci Před 4 lety

    5:08 yeah...yeah...yeah...

  • @Daves-not-here
    @Daves-not-here Před 4 lety

    I personally would love to buy pdf tabs for Dragonforce songs. Esspecially the bass parts. I am novice bass player but love the music so being able to get the sheet music from the source would be absolutely amazing

  • @vilanaga740
    @vilanaga740 Před 4 lety

    Run..... Thats an octopus. Alien !!!! Aaaahhhhhh

  • @SupeHero00
    @SupeHero00 Před 4 lety +1

    What about Pick Slanting?

  • @rokenrol17
    @rokenrol17 Před 4 lety

    Omg..this video is one of my dreams come true moment..but too bad they dont play something together

  • @luisrened1308
    @luisrened1308 Před 4 lety

    Herman li is the king

  • @leonardocavalcante278
    @leonardocavalcante278 Před 4 lety +7

    Your don't know Roberto Barros Brazilian guitarist
    Don't are prepared for this

  • @addictstudios875
    @addictstudios875 Před 4 lety

    Dope

  • @leltraco1983
    @leltraco1983 Před 4 lety

    Swybryd picking is the next step.

  • @obayaljaber8598
    @obayaljaber8598 Před 4 lety +33

    this video will torture davie 504

    • @cenningitis2910
      @cenningitis2910 Před 4 lety +5

      Any "guitar" topics would torture Davie, especially with Herman in it

    • @obayaljaber8598
      @obayaljaber8598 Před 4 lety +1

      @@cenningitis2910 he will pay for insulting the guitar.
      That's my promise

    • @-GameHacKeR-
      @-GameHacKeR- Před 4 lety +2

      @@obayaljaber8598 He paid already, 105 usd american dollars $$ for Herman Li to play the bass and he still didn't that stream

    • @JR-vp6yg
      @JR-vp6yg Před 4 lety +3

      @@-GameHacKeR- I think Herman cannot play bass. Or he's afraid to be humiliated. 🤔😅

    • @-GameHacKeR-
      @-GameHacKeR- Před 4 lety +1

      @@JR-vp6yg I've had that same thought as well but even if true Herman Li is very skilled and easily learn, He could teach himself or since is also well connected with alot of other artists he could learn from a professional bassist. Also since Herman Li has shown the bass he got he could already be doing some quick lessons online with some of his friends ;) Can't wait to see what comes from this forced collab XD Gonna be EPIC

  • @ecudava
    @ecudava Před 4 lety +1

    Rhapsody ,!!! Ahhhhh rrrrrchhhh!!!

  • @mattmartian1658
    @mattmartian1658 Před 4 lety

    Economy or alternate?
    I use BAD picking. Its a mixture of both with a few unnecessary picking strokes thrown in for fun.

  • @sisoybueno28
    @sisoybueno28 Před 4 lety

    Did i heard Follow The Signs solo? 👀🔥

  • @cris_horizons
    @cris_horizons Před 3 lety

    i was studying with paul gilbert long time ago and i always practice ap, but these days i realize the trhuth o ep is better , natural and eficient

  • @rexpianovega
    @rexpianovega Před 4 lety

    0: all that remains lml, six

  • @DerAykac
    @DerAykac Před 4 lety

    Whos that Cyborg good at again? Can someone pls tell me?

  • @Tucanazo69
    @Tucanazo69 Před 4 lety

    You should invite Paul Gilbert

  • @ethanjto
    @ethanjto Před 3 lety +1

    I'm glad Jason does his own tabs, I bought the whole Mega Bundle and it's really good material for serious players. I also bought Polyphia tabs, but besides the ones Tim does for his solo stuff, it has tons of errors compared to how they play it because they pay a transcriber.

    • @WithBeautyAndWithLove
      @WithBeautyAndWithLove Před 11 měsíci

      this might coonfuse you but polyphia play their own songs live differently. For example, 40oz is alternate picked in the studio version, but according to Tim, it's too unrealistic to pull off every single time live since he's not an alternate picking god like richardson, so he sweeps it instead. I'd imagine they play a lot of songs differently live because the studio versions are sometimes just too much. Almost every advanced technical guitarist does this, I've noticed Abasi play the woven web differently almost every time live for some reason.

    • @ethanjto
      @ethanjto Před 11 měsíci

      @@WithBeautyAndWithLove I've seen them change it up a bit in live recordings, but some of the tabs are just straight up wrong notes lol. Even when Tim does his tutorials, it's different than the tabs.

    • @WithBeautyAndWithLove
      @WithBeautyAndWithLove Před 11 měsíci

      @@ethanjto Yeah, because the tabs are probably the studio recorded version whereas his tutorials are how he actually plays them live.

  • @ConstantineM
    @ConstantineM Před 4 lety

    Why not legato?

  • @vethwynwetfeather
    @vethwynwetfeather Před 4 lety

    If you want to expand the picking conversation you should consider Andy Wood. 🤘

  • @woozy96
    @woozy96 Před 4 lety

    stonks picking

  • @TelipatiEvolustions
    @TelipatiEvolustions Před 4 lety

    I like shopping picking

  • @neurotica5461
    @neurotica5461 Před 4 lety

    i cant do both

  • @ConstantineM
    @ConstantineM Před 4 lety

    Alternative picking vs legato.

  • @-GameHacKeR-
    @-GameHacKeR- Před 4 lety +4

    dude you you gotta play the bass, Davie504 even gave you some nice usd american dollars XD legit he did.

  • @carlosgtrs4175
    @carlosgtrs4175 Před 4 lety

    Roberto Barros Cyborg all the way !

  • @jygogaming3550
    @jygogaming3550 Před 4 lety

    Interview Jacky vincent

  • @carazy123_
    @carazy123_ Před 3 lety +1

    WOO TITANFALL FAN LETS GO

  • @ripit.3457
    @ripit.3457 Před 4 lety

    Ah yes, the first 8 or 9 comments are about the same guy. If he’s that common of a goal, do it herman. Brazilians *never* disappoint. Both players, and crowds.

  • @CarlosMartinez-dh3hc
    @CarlosMartinez-dh3hc Před 4 lety +1

    I think he probably uses economy without even knowing it most of the time

  • @docong89
    @docong89 Před 4 lety

    105$ is too little ?

  • @anindyaroythetechmaster
    @anindyaroythetechmaster Před 4 lety +2

    Are you afraid of playing the Bass?

  • @peeyushsn8510
    @peeyushsn8510 Před 4 lety +4

    Stop ignoring Davie504 and play the bass

  • @th6n
    @th6n Před 4 lety

    Herman expects Davie to play underwater first, while Davie expects Herman to play bass first.

    • @th6n
      @th6n Před 4 lety

      @我爱你我爱你 They aren't that similar. It was hard for me to start playing bass, after 2 years of guitar and drums. Maybe it is just me.

  • @sumit9589
    @sumit9589 Před 4 lety

    Only economy picking

  • @creeped_reaper2066
    @creeped_reaper2066 Před 4 lety +1

    hi

  • @ashkithara2396
    @ashkithara2396 Před 4 lety +1

    why does his voice sound like ben shapiro

    • @adamguitar1498
      @adamguitar1498 Před 4 lety

      You're probably watching the video on 2x speed

  • @g_G___
    @g_G___ Před 4 lety +1

    105 usd,play the bass now..

  • @carlosbrandom.
    @carlosbrandom. Před 4 lety +1

    Más de 12 años que se creó la banda y se ve que ah Herman aún le cuesta trabajo hablar inglés

  • @JbfMusicGuitar
    @JbfMusicGuitar Před 4 lety +1

    Hot take: the CZcams comments section is way better than it used to be. Case in point, this comment section.

  • @braydendunlap9597
    @braydendunlap9597 Před 4 lety

    Why does jason play better fast than slow? It's the opposite for me

  • @adeyoung3117
    @adeyoung3117 Před 3 lety

    alternate better

  • @DavidMadeira29
    @DavidMadeira29 Před rokem

    Pedal to the metal and others late sandwiches...

  • @benjaminr.3588
    @benjaminr.3588 Před 4 lety +1

    I remember when Davie504 donated you

  • @wesshepard
    @wesshepard Před 3 lety

    It’s official... Herman is a random picker.

  • @yasminealice
    @yasminealice Před 4 lety

    PLAY BASS.

  • @fanvoid21
    @fanvoid21 Před 4 lety

    WTH DID YOU SAY TO DAVIE AT TWICH??? ArE yOu aFraiD???¡??????

  • @muhammadihsanhabibi4393

    Donation reject

  • @GaFurBLikss
    @GaFurBLikss Před 4 lety

    From indonesia

  • @albroz6731
    @albroz6731 Před 4 lety

    Tf is wrong with those bots of Roberto Barros or whatever his name is, he's nowhere near Jason's technique , if you really want someone that comes close to his alternate picking or that is maybe even better ,that would be Stephen Taranto.

  • @MrJohncraciun
    @MrJohncraciun Před 4 lety

    Mmmmmm the laziness

  • @marcocedeno8605
    @marcocedeno8605 Před 4 lety +2

    Davie504

  • @1974benzw115
    @1974benzw115 Před 4 lety

    Herman Li: Economy P I C C
    Jason Richardson: Alternate P I C C
    Davie504: P I C C is illegal

  • @opmysha7469
    @opmysha7469 Před 4 lety

    im the 32nd view

  • @tmmmedia731
    @tmmmedia731 Před 4 lety

    Jason is amazing but he can not improvise. He can only play songs.

  • @ArthurSantosgt
    @ArthurSantosgt Před 4 lety +23

    Roberto Barros Cyborg the best alternate picking the universe.