CHILDREN IN CHART IN ASTROLOGY✨

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  • @miriam9908
    @miriam9908 Před 3 lety +109

    Oh I love this !!!!!! Love to see and support black female astrologists 🥰

  • @cyrask
    @cyrask Před 3 lety +51

    When I have a child, I'll come back to this video

  • @j.jackson8028
    @j.jackson8028 Před 3 lety +47

    I gave birth in March to a Pisces little girl. My 5th house is in Libra with Venus. She is the sweetest little thing she loves to cuddle with me and always calling for her “ma ma”

    • @inthemindofny1100
      @inthemindofny1100 Před 3 lety +3

      Omg 🥺, congratulations ☺️💛. My 5th house is in cancer with my Mars in the 5th and I’m due on October 31st with a Scorpio baby girl ! 😂

    • @MonMon-xd3zc
      @MonMon-xd3zc Před 2 lety +4

      you have a special little baby girl!! keep her happy and shell give you the world!! congratulations :)

  • @starlitebright2851
    @starlitebright2851 Před 3 lety +24

    I have Taurus in my 5H with Jupiter. It so far as brought me 3 girls. My oldest daughter has been to Paris, London, and Italy. So I would say astrology is the TRUTH!

  • @Avionsjourney
    @Avionsjourney Před 3 lety +34

    Omg. Child Astrology feels like my mission. It’s so interesting when you’re able to learn your child through the stars. I was literally just tweeting how my son’s moon in Leo among other things calls for my attention in very specific ways. Sooo happy you posted this! So insightful ✨✨

  • @lovelylady9957
    @lovelylady9957 Před 3 lety +11

    Sag in 5th house with Neptune (Capricorn) . My first born (son) is 3 going on 30😂 So much adventurous wild child energy with a splash of seriousness, loves to ride 4 wheeler, loves to be outdoors. Loves the ladies(& they love him) , protective, quick to fight , assertive etc. He's tall & very handsome, people always compliment his skin tone and deep dreamy eyes. He definitely tries to "put us on game" 😂😂 my husband and I can't read him a bedtime story , or show him how to put something together. He always says "Mama/daddy hold on , let me show you." He loves to learn things in his own little way, and show us what he learned. He lives for the high fives and fist bumps from dad🥰

  • @StaceBooker
    @StaceBooker Před 3 lety +8

    Omg my 5th is in Leo & I call my beautiful baby boy my sunshine 🥺 he will literally through the house all day back & forth 😂😂 love this 🥰

  • @jujudreamz84
    @jujudreamz84 Před 3 lety +1

    Girl i LOVE♥ UR VIBE

  • @CassidyAndHerfivepack

    Love it sis! ❤

  • @ImJazzmineLeigh
    @ImJazzmineLeigh Před 3 lety +17

    That’s crazy, I have Gem on my 5th & I have alwayssss been obsessed with having boys & twins!! Lol 😆🤞🏾 & twins run in my fam.

    • @RealMishoRed
      @RealMishoRed Před 3 lety +1

      I have the same! I don’t have children yet. Although I did check my friends chart out. She has the same but her first child was a daughter. So not sure how accurate this is.

    • @ImJazzmineLeigh
      @ImJazzmineLeigh Před 3 lety +2

      @@RealMishoRed it’s probably not concrete and just a reference point. Like everything else in astrology there’s a general rule but also other aspects at play affecting how these energies actually manifest. So I definitely welcome the possibility but wouldn’t think of it as the rule just bc of this video, lol. But again. Twins run in my fam, so even without knowing this, I know my chances are higher scientifically if not spiritually.

  • @shannon8715
    @shannon8715 Před rokem

    I started watching your channel years ago and I’m now watching your TV show. You go girl!

  • @angelymiguel652
    @angelymiguel652 Před 3 lety +13

    Pisces on the 5th and sure enough I had my sweet baby girl 3 months ago 💕 plus my husband has Virgo in his 5th meaning girl as well! Crazy lol

  • @jasmian4602
    @jasmian4602 Před 3 lety +8

    Thank you for being consistent 🤍✨

  • @judykalavot2031
    @judykalavot2031 Před 3 lety +2

    Waiting for this.. twins ... how wonderful

  • @hunnigurl593
    @hunnigurl593 Před 2 lety +2

    My 5H is in Sag and I have a son just as you described lol. Big personality, a kid DJ, tech savvy and very innovative. (He’s a Virgo) You were so on point. I also have Mars, Uranus and my Moon here

  • @LL-qq3vm
    @LL-qq3vm Před 3 lety +15

    My big three are sun and Moon in Scorpio Gemini rising and my husband's us Scorpio sun Gemini moon and rising. We just had our first son, he's a Libra sun, cancer moon, Scorpio rising with a Gemini NN. My 5th house is in Libra and I have Venus, NN, And Chiron there. My husband's 5th is also in Libra and has no planets there. Little dude is very cuddly and loving already and he is beautiful. Not just because he's my kid either, he really is. I can't wait to see how the rest manifests 💙 Astrology is incredible

  • @astrology4u
    @astrology4u Před 2 lety +4

    Libra is on my 5th. My first child is a girl. I adopted 3 more children 2 boys one girl. I can see the libra energy playing out as far as balance, 2 girls 2 boys. Natal Uranus and Pluto is in there. My first child was transformational for me (pluto) and the other three that I adopted, I got them when my birth child was 21 and already moved out so I just knew I was going to be doing me all the way so it was unexpected (Uranus) that I would adopt 3 more. My birth child gave no problems at all, very good child. The adopted ones are the rebels and the girl of the three, she thinks she is my equal and goes against everything I tell her.

  • @MD-tc3vy
    @MD-tc3vy Před 3 lety +10

    I think Jupiter and 5th house and their "quality" are significator of progeny, but if you want to know your children then you have to look into D7 chart (saptamsa chart from vedic astrology) Everything you said i agree with. I got emtpy houses in my D7 so in this case i have to look at rulers of those houses (5th,7th,9th,11th for male-me) combinations of aspects to those houses and rulers-planets is what determine gender and overall character 👍 I see 4 kids for me but it also depends on my future wifes charts

  • @katrinadoxsie3750
    @katrinadoxsie3750 Před 3 lety +5

    My daughter wants children badly. She has Scorpio in the fifth with Chiron there. She had an ectopic pregnancy last year. They believe she has endometriosis. I have Sagittarius and my first child was a boy. I had twins the 2nd time, both born female, one transitioned to male. Fourth child born female and transitioned, as well. Lots of masculine energy. They are all quite expressive, too. I have Neptune in the 5th. They are all four incredibly artistic and creative.

  • @realtalktina
    @realtalktina Před 3 lety +10

    I would love to know how to find how many children we can have and when. I have Aries in the 5th house oh Lord prepare me! I’m 40 already praying for a boy who comes with all the adult presets

  • @xiomarasoto311
    @xiomarasoto311 Před rokem +1

    Neptune and Uranus in the Fifth house In Scorpio.. mixed race, extremely smart, and so beautiful ❤❤❤

  • @jonijones626
    @jonijones626 Před 3 lety +5

    I have Neptune and Capricorn in the 5th house. Both of my children are beautiful. Their always putting me on game lol

  • @tabitham.321
    @tabitham.321 Před 3 lety +3

    I have my Sun & Mercury in my 5th house (in the sign Gemini) 🤘🏾 can’t wait to see how this manifest

  • @abigailmills2603
    @abigailmills2603 Před 2 lety +3

    omg i did this w both my parents charts and it really is accurate. my dad has venus and mercury in his fifth house and both planets were accurate and then my mom has uranus and i butt heads w her a lot and i guess i do rebel against her in a way i’m very much the opposite of her. this is so interesting absolutely love this i’m dropping a follow queen

  • @daddiedimples09
    @daddiedimples09 Před 3 lety +1

    Libra In 5th House. My Handsome Little Man 😊🤞🏾💙

  • @trinageorge652
    @trinageorge652 Před 2 lety +2

    You ain't never lied lol. I have Aries in 5th. My 5yr old is a drama king and yes very expressive...drama king. Lots of energy! He's a Gemini Sun, Venus and mercury with mars in Scorpio and of course Libra moon. He's definitely a lot to handle lol. Help!

  • @Amberlinnnaaa
    @Amberlinnnaaa Před 2 lety +3

    I have 5H in Pisces with some Aries energy with no planets. and I had a boy and then a girl. My boy is Gemini and my girl is Pisces. ❤️❤️

  • @gypsygypsygypsyism
    @gypsygypsygypsyism Před 2 lety +1

    I have a 5th in Capricorn
    But my child is a toddler, they have so much variety in their own chart. But it makes sense I have Uranus in Capricorn there too. They’re so far a little fire ball but here and very present. Yes, I am learning how my little rebel is like both of her parents. I have so many Uranus in my chart. Neptune & Saturn. “New age traditional” yes we are like that!!! Already!!!

  • @brinababy2235
    @brinababy2235 Před 3 lety +4

    My 5th house is ruled by sagittarius. & black moon Lilith in Capricorn.

  • @TYBEAUTE
    @TYBEAUTE Před 3 lety +1

    Wow. I have Leo Mars -my 1st boy was very active but he’s slacked up a bit, now he’s in his own little world. He’s a libra. My second boy -GIVES ME A RUN FOR MY $! He’s def was more active, he’s a Cancer.
    I’m an Aquarius.

  • @Yogis406
    @Yogis406 Před 3 lety +2

    Cool! Libra in 5th and I have a boy. Accurate.

  • @cassie.jenaee444
    @cassie.jenaee444 Před 2 lety

    Whew! I have Neptune & Uranus and they are both in Aquarius in the 5th. I was definitely the rebel growing up😭

  • @alonnahmadson7420
    @alonnahmadson7420 Před rokem +1

    This is accurate for me. My first child is a boy. 5th house is Libra. He is an Aqua Sun with Gemini Moon and his father was actually a Libra. I know looking at second child, sometimes you will look 7th house, I believe. My 7th house is in Sagittarius and my Jupiter is there. My second child is an Aqua Sun, but Aries moon. You said with Jupiter placements, you children can teach you a lot. He also has a 9H stellium like I do. Very interested to see how this plays out.

  • @tiabia111
    @tiabia111 Před 3 lety +1

    Oh lord my kid gone fight me and we gone both cry together 🤦🏽‍♀️😂😂😂😂 my sun and moon are in Pisces and my 5th house Mars in Cancer Lordy lol (I hope I said it rite lol)

  • @Gemrisingbeautyy
    @Gemrisingbeautyy Před 3 lety

    I have Jupiter and Libra both in libra 5th house. Sooo accurate. I have a Virgo fifth house. I have two girls (oldest is a Scorpio, second is a cancer) 💗

  • @angelahayden5647
    @angelahayden5647 Před 3 lety +1

    I have a stellium of Mercury, Mars, and Venus in Aries in my 5th house. I currently have 2 girls. The oldest is a pisces sun, Sagittarius rising and Aries moon (also in her 5th house. She doesn't have a stellium but 2 of the 3 closer planets are in Aries. She is full of personality, rambunctious, and loves to play with her boy cousins. She is only 3 and still occasionally likes to challenge mommy and daddy. My second little girl is a Taurus with a Virgo rising and scorpio moon. I don't remember her placements but she has alot of Gemini in her chart. She is only 8 months and trys to talk so bad. She just babbles away. So I imagine when she is able to communicate she be talking to big sister nonstop. Did I mention both my little girls are cute but very ruff.

  • @beautyfrmwithin89
    @beautyfrmwithin89 Před 3 lety +1

    Dear Lordt. Save me.
    5th is in Pisces (libra degree) with my moon there.

  • @ezekielali7412
    @ezekielali7412 Před rokem

    First off I just wanted to say you are very gifted with this! My wife and I watch you all of the time!! We were wondering if you could do a video on if it’s possible to see how many children you will have, or when, using the progression chart? Anything like that? We have both been married before and have older children but we are having our second together and when I read a part of my progressive chart it said childbirth in 2023. Which is correct so we were wondering if there was a way to look at our chart or progressive chart and see how many more and when we would have more. Thank you so much

  • @shadedhippie2217
    @shadedhippie2217 Před 3 lety

    Neptune, Uranus, sun all cap in the 5th and omg ima gonna rebirth myself lmao

  • @skittlesdm
    @skittlesdm Před 3 lety +1

    5th house in Pisces. No planets. I had a boy first and then just had my baby girl (: their bdays are a day apart and were born in March(Pisces Babies). Also weighed the same lol

  • @msaqualady85
    @msaqualady85 Před 3 lety +1

    'Libra rules my 5th house' along with the planets 'Saturn & Pluto' in my 5th house...

  • @jem3311
    @jem3311 Před 3 lety +1

    Hi, thanks for the info! Question... Should we also take the solar return 5th house placements into consideration? Does that make a difference?

  • @miriam9908
    @miriam9908 Před 3 lety +7

    Would love if you could do marriage timing prediction! Been looking more into this. Mostly with sidereal astrology but would love to see your view

    • @KimLee444
      @KimLee444 Před 3 lety

      I heard it’s a thing, you can do that

  • @lexbotanical598
    @lexbotanical598 Před 3 lety +8

    My moon in 5th, my son is pisces sun moon and mercury. He’s sensitive needs lot of emotional support already. Didn’t have a girl but the feminine in my 5th explains his placements

  • @Queenbeeinfinity
    @Queenbeeinfinity Před rokem

    Hey Sista ! ❤

  • @misteriozan
    @misteriozan Před 2 lety +1

    Virgo in the 5th, I have a boy; so far.

  • @jatoriacrews7450
    @jatoriacrews7450 Před 2 lety +1

    Sagittarius sun in the 5th and I have three boys 🤞🏽

  • @dmitch5646
    @dmitch5646 Před 3 lety +1

    Earth (Capricorn) in the 5th. Saturn, Uranus and Neptune in the 5th H (Capricorn). I have an Aries sun, Gemini moon son.

  • @TripleVenusTarot
    @TripleVenusTarot Před rokem

    Virgo in the 5th so a girl and very talkative lol got it.

  • @laineymorris5001
    @laineymorris5001 Před 3 lety +1

    wow gemini is in my 5th and twins run in my family....heaven help me lol

  • @aylarobe
    @aylarobe Před 3 lety +1

    What if you have a Leo 5th house with moon there, but your sun is in the 12th in Aries along with two other planets Venus rx(chart ruler), and mercury in pisces? Also my 12th house (sun,venus, and mercury) is intercepted, and I have nothing in my 6th house (Libra).

  • @AmourMali
    @AmourMali Před 3 lety +10

    My 5th house ruled by sagittarius. I want twin boys lol.

  • @DeneeD104
    @DeneeD104 Před 3 lety +1

    My fifth house is ruled by Virgo. I have my node in Virgo in this house as well as my black moon Lilith. What does this mean?

  • @Everybodyisimportant
    @Everybodyisimportant Před 2 lety

    I have Neptune in sag 5th house.. 2 children Aries (oldest, girl) & Capricorn (son)… I also notice I have an intercepted chart where there’s more than one sign & or planet so I have sag & Scorpio it seems when I use the placidus house system. How does having the Vertex in the 5th house? I have it in Leo here as well.

  • @DivinelyguidedbyEm
    @DivinelyguidedbyEm Před 3 měsíci

    Gemini in the 5th. I have a Gemini son and libra twins 😅😊❤

  • @Jade-yu8mh
    @Jade-yu8mh Před 3 lety +1

    5th Neptune Capricorn my child is just like me 😂

  • @onlyonejiana
    @onlyonejiana Před 3 lety +4

    Okay, so I’m still learning the ropes but I wanna practice lol? So I have Scorpio rx in the 5th house.
    I miscarried in 2014 & I feel like I was pregnant with a baby girl with Scorpio being in the 5th house does that mean she was going to be emotional?

    • @NaturallyLit
      @NaturallyLit  Před 3 lety +3

      Yes! And pretty private.

    • @onlyonejiana
      @onlyonejiana Před 3 lety

      @@NaturallyLit thank you for all of this information!! you have been a blessing on my astrologist journey! ✨💓

  • @inthemindofny1100
    @inthemindofny1100 Před 3 lety +2

    I have Cancer in the 5th house containing my Mars and my baby’s father has Pisces in his 5th containing his Mercury and our baby girl is due October 31st ♏️💜

  • @infinitegoddess533
    @infinitegoddess533 Před 3 lety

    My son is a Leo definitely masculine cancer daughters

  • @jannellove7233
    @jannellove7233 Před 3 lety +1

    True i have capricorn in 5th house i have 2 girls.

  • @Floranichole
    @Floranichole Před 3 lety +2

    What does it mean to have libra in the 5th house as well as moon in scorpio in the 5th house?

  • @DIAMONDUNCUT
    @DIAMONDUNCUT Před 2 lety

    oooh. My sun and venus is there both in Pisces. I don't have any yet though

  • @karadaiMM
    @karadaiMM Před 3 lety +1

    Looking at my chart it doesn’t show any planets in my 5th house but I looked more and it showed Aries and Pisces does your partners chart play a part in the gender / character of the child? I remember researching and it said the father usually dictates the gender

  • @BellottiSchrader
    @BellottiSchrader Před 3 lety +11

    👶 🍼 I have Libra in the 5th house and I KNOW I’m having twin boys. I’ve had dreams about them since I was a teenager. Also, my grandma had twins that died and I had a dream my twins would be a reincarnation of them (I know, kinda creepy). The dead giveaway, other than my dreams, that I would have twins is I have Mercury and Mars in my 5th house and I have Mercury trine Mars in my chart. That’s a dead ringer for twins.

  • @khannah1000
    @khannah1000 Před 3 lety +1

    My 5th house enters Libra then Scorpio where Pluto sits. My first born was a boy and I’m wondering because there’s water energy in the 5th house I will have a girl too at some point 🤔

  • @sebastianz1907
    @sebastianz1907 Před 2 lety +1

    Can anyone please answer this question if by any chance they know. If there is a couple and the woman’s chart points to a girl as a first child, yet the mans chart points to a boy as first child, then what would happen? Does that mean that this couple will not have their first kid together, or both charts would be analyzed to see which one has more influence on baby gender?

  • @cherise9581
    @cherise9581 Před 3 lety

    i have a gemini stellium in the 5th. gem/cancer on the 5th

  • @erykahenry9636
    @erykahenry9636 Před 2 lety

    i have my mercury, uranus and neptune in aquarius 😂 i can see it now

  • @joywithin385
    @joywithin385 Před 3 lety

    Venus conjunct jupiter in gemini 5th house... I have a sag daughter and libra son. I have sun conj Mercury they talk a lot and are scatter brains. I also have sun square north node I do feel at times they kinda hinder me from doing what I actually want to do. But love them all the same

  • @jenniferearring1978
    @jenniferearring1978 Před 3 lety

    My 5H is void of planets. Chiron sits in my 5H Taurus

  • @KyseBeanz
    @KyseBeanz Před 2 lety

    Heyy there, I’m not currently expecting but I do have Pisces in the 5th house so I’m just curious cause I plan on starting soon aiming for Lovers l Libra Sun lolol 💁🏾‍♂️🤦🏾‍♂️🤷🏾‍♂️🤣

  • @jeninhadelima2181
    @jeninhadelima2181 Před 3 lety

    What if i have sag sun in the 5th house , venus in sag, jupiter in leo and a capricorn stellium . Back in 2016 i had a dream that i had a son and he was the most beautiful child i saw .

  • @ash86marie
    @ash86marie Před rokem

    I have Saturn and Uranus in the 5th house in the sign of Sag. How do you think my son would be?

  • @izzydream3380
    @izzydream3380 Před 2 lety

    I'm new to astrology and trying to figure out how I find what planet or planets are in my 5th house. I have Sagittarius in the 5th house.

  • @jumaniford3741
    @jumaniford3741 Před rokem

    i have aries/taurus cusp. i have a taurus sun aries moon son, and an aries rising daughter, her moon is scorpio.

  • @goddessalaysia5438
    @goddessalaysia5438 Před 2 lety +2

    Peace.
    What about to have Chiron in the fifth house? I’m so curious to know!

  • @keykey929
    @keykey929 Před 3 lety

    i have taurus intercepting gemini in the fifth with saturn and jupiter , im a twin with a boy so im assuming ill have a set of twins as well 😭

  • @ThaGentleman512
    @ThaGentleman512 Před 3 lety +1

    Fifth house ruled by Scorpio

  • @Jayde200
    @Jayde200 Před 2 lety

    3:55 my mom has cancer 5th house cusp. I’m a Scorpio sun moon and rising. She has a Pisces rising with Aquarius sun and moon

  • @UniqueDancerTay
    @UniqueDancerTay Před 6 měsíci +1

    Hello 👋🏾 i am new here and i sm confused. I have 2 Aquarius ♒
    Ruler by Saturn and Lilith 🪐 what does this mean? Thank you 👍🏾

  • @HBC315
    @HBC315 Před 3 lety

    Mars in Leo in the 5th house ... I have 2 boys and just had a baby girl ...Very cool

  • @noblehero4182
    @noblehero4182 Před 6 měsíci

    What if my natal birth chart my 5th house was in Capricorn but my progression birth chart is 5th in Aquarius?

  • @kayleebueno23
    @kayleebueno23 Před rokem

    I have Saturn in Cancer in my 5th house and my partner has his Mars in Taurus in his 5th house. What can this mean for our future children?

  • @nedDx
    @nedDx Před 3 lety +3

    what about Lilith in the 5th?

  • @vanillatwilight127
    @vanillatwilight127 Před 3 lety

    Sag rules my 5th house with Jupiter 10 degrees but it was in retrograde.

  • @flyleelee5351
    @flyleelee5351 Před 3 lety +2

    I attribute my empty 5h, aquarius on my 5h cusp and my sun in my 11h for the reason I don't want kids lol

  • @skylanderina194
    @skylanderina194 Před 2 lety

    Do you use whole sign or Placidus??

  • @racergal1984
    @racergal1984 Před rokem +1

    what if its empty what does it mean?

  • @Chynaa_blak
    @Chynaa_blak Před 3 lety +1

    Ok i know there is no such thing as an empty house lol but i have sag there since i have to look at the outter crust n my chart. No planets n the 5th so do i look at jupiter since it’s the ruling planet of sag or look for leo ruling planet since it rules the 5th house ?

    • @NaturallyLit
      @NaturallyLit  Před 3 lety +3

      LOL yes so Sagittarius is on the 5th - masculine energy. Jupiter will tell you more. But your child will def teach you major things.

    • @Chynaa_blak
      @Chynaa_blak Před 3 lety +1

      @@NaturallyLit thank u novi i appreciate you ❤️

  • @ChannieChauni
    @ChannieChauni Před 3 lety

    Damn your the ish
    My son Aquarius
    I have a 5th House Jupiter Aquarius
    I wanted more children without any issues with having children. I have yet to have another pregnancy/miscarriage.

  • @fiftyshadesofanariesblank1609

    Capricorn in 5th planets Uranus, Neptune, Saturn??

  • @LolaLaura1993
    @LolaLaura1993 Před 3 lety

    I have Neptune and Uranus in cap in my 5th house

  • @Bc-dg6vx
    @Bc-dg6vx Před 2 lety

    My sun is Scorpio in 5th house my 7th house is Capricorn my 9th house is Pisces and my 11th house is Taurus my moon is Leo my ascendant is cancer my mercury libra my Venus Virgo my mars cancer my Jupiter is Sagittarius my Saturn is Virgo and my Uranus is Pisces my north node is Pisces and my Lilith Scorpio so what do you think my children zodiacs will be and will I have sons or daughters

  • @justcuz9874
    @justcuz9874 Před 2 lety

    Hello what if you have Capricorn in the 5th house & you already had a baby 7years ago ..would you still conceive with another girl ??

  • @8thhouseangie639
    @8thhouseangie639 Před 2 lety +1

    So interesting. I have a Cancer south node.
    Saturn in Gemini in the 5th. I never had children in this life, but it could indicate that I had intelligent, serious minded twin boys in a past life. I have always wanted a son in this life. I always felt I would've been a better mother for a male child.

  • @RealMishoRed
    @RealMishoRed Před 3 lety

    Is this accurate for men and women chart?

  • @tflipping7336
    @tflipping7336 Před 7 měsíci

    Gemini 5th house 2 boys:)

  • @majesticqueenj5725
    @majesticqueenj5725 Před 2 lety

    My 5th house is cusp cancer/leo. No kids yet

  • @sbanuett
    @sbanuett Před 3 lety +1

    What if you do not have any planets in the 5th house?

    • @myab3106
      @myab3106 Před 3 lety +1

      look to the ruler of the 5th sign and where that planet is placed!!! example: if you have virgo ruling the 5th house, the planet that rules virgo is mercury so you would look to what sign and house mercury is placed within. :)

  • @gypsygypsygypsyism
    @gypsygypsygypsyism Před 2 lety

    Can we talk about transits with pregnancy or second and third kidd