How Doki Doki Literature Club! Was Made and Why it Will Never be Adapted

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    This Doki Doki Literature Club! documentary details the development of the visual novel indie game Doki Doki Literature Club! and goes behind the scenes of its creation. Discover more about its creator Dan Salvato and how he went from being a professional Super Smash Bros. Melee Link player to being a public face of an enormously popular brand overnight. Growing up, Dan watched a lot of anime, with a particular fondness for slice-of-life anime. His journey into visual novels began in college, starting with "Tsukihime", which left a lasting emotional impact on him. While Dan was busy working on his first visual novel, he got the idea for a very different visual novel concept. He eventually shared the idea with his friend Masha, who convinced Dan to develop it.
    The documentary also explores all the design decisions that Dan made and shows how he initially envisioned the characters with generic cookie-cutter personalities. However, as he delved into the writing process, he felt an unexpected urge to connect with them on a deeper level. It also takes a close look at all the hurdles Dan had to go through. From programmatically stitching together characters “halves” that resulted in a wide variety of characters sprites, to Dan creating the soundtrack himself in order to infuse the game with simple, catchy melodies and recurring motifs. Additionally, Dan had to manipulate the game’s engine with his own Python code since the engine was designed to prioritize player control, which is the opposite of what Dan was trying to achieve with Doki Doki Literature Club! Lastly, the documentary also takes a look at what’s next for Dan and if we’ll see more Doki Doki Literature Club! related content in the future.
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    0:00 Forming The Idea
    1:54 Who is Dan Salvato
    3:30 Ad
    4:46 Influences
    6:53 Developing the Story
    10:50 Character & Game Design
    17:05 Soundtrack
    18:09 Release & Recognition
    19:41 Reflecting on its Success
    23:00 Doki Doki Literature Club Plus!
    26:11 The Future
    Outro song: Thank You R.G.E. - Joe Bagale
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  • @ThatGuyGlen
    @ThatGuyGlen  Před 2 měsíci +260

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    • @me-ry9ee
      @me-ry9ee Před 2 měsíci

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    • @arturliviu
      @arturliviu Před 2 měsíci +4

      Can you do a deep dive on the epic battle fantasy series?

    • @ChimeraLotietheBunny
      @ChimeraLotietheBunny Před 2 měsíci +3

      Woah

    • @TrojanStrikeAnimations42069
      @TrojanStrikeAnimations42069 Před 2 měsíci +4

      silence brand

    • @thegothaunt
      @thegothaunt Před 2 měsíci +3

      Just wanted to let you know that a deep dive into the development of Indika might make for a great video. Likely would be fascinating research/interviews and the visual and game elements in the game would probably be so fun to bounce off of for the "look" of your video. The subject matter of the game is a bit dark though but I found the game super impressive and immediately impressionable upon finishing.

  • @NepstationYoutubeChannel
    @NepstationYoutubeChannel Před 2 měsíci +4759

    I played through 'Doki Doki' several times and I've never once felt like the creator hated VN's. In fact I felt like he loved them.

    • @crazayhazay
      @crazayhazay Před 2 měsíci +38

      same

    • @Rzepik
      @Rzepik Před 2 měsíci +118

      I would say there was some love/hate relationship going on.

    • @aokyoutsuki7744
      @aokyoutsuki7744 Před 2 měsíci +152

      You know, some people cant bother digging deeper than surface level, and especially those who arent even in the niche, you see this alot

    • @dextersynesterformerlysorb5334
      @dextersynesterformerlysorb5334 Před měsícem

      @@aokyoutsuki7744 some of the greatest pieces of meta fiction are written by people that, if you see how they're playing with themes and archetypes, clearly hate either the genre or the fans that they're writing for, maybe even both. DDLCis a prime example of this, as are Danganronpa, Attack on Titan and Pathologic. those are the ones that i know of. i'm sure there are plenty more.

    • @yourassistant981
      @yourassistant981 Před měsícem

      @@aokyoutsuki7744 I saw a remix of the tsukihime theme on his main channel in fact its still there. Its called Tohno Lyfe

  • @KeithTheDinosaurBoyVA
    @KeithTheDinosaurBoyVA Před 2 měsíci +6321

    I'm SO glad that people are starting to recognize that DDLC ISN'T a completely spiteful satire of visual novels and Dan Salvato made the game out of a love for what the genre can accomplish. I'm especially happy that you mentioned Tsukihime by name, since fighting games (namely Melty Blood) led him to Tsukihime and VNs in general. He's even read through Fate/Stay Night (which is more than I can say for some Fate fans tbh) and Witch on the Holy Night. Too often, I see people say that Dan was just an FGC player who hated VNs and made Doki Doki Literature Club out of hate for the medium rather than him wanting to use the genre for genuine storytelling like he experienced with Tsukihime. He also thinks Akiha is best girl, which...I can respect.

    • @ThatGuyGlen
      @ThatGuyGlen  Před 2 měsíci +329

      I tried to do my due diligence! Dan seems like a really cool and kindhearted person.

    • @bornanime3255
      @bornanime3255 Před 2 měsíci +333

      The sentiment that satire always comes from a place of hate and lack of understanding is wrong in and of itself.
      To properly deconstruct, pull apart, criticise, analyse and push a work in new ways requires someone with a firm understanding on its tropes, strengths and weaknesses. That can't come from a place without some passion and love. It takes a big fan to be able to understand something so well as to make a good satire of it.

    • @iamLI3
      @iamLI3 Před 2 měsíci +103

      that's how i've always seen it from the start , i didn't even know there were ppl who though ddlc is spiteful....

    • @spiritwildfiregaming1975
      @spiritwildfiregaming1975 Před 2 měsíci +77

      @@iamLI3 Given that the message of the game from what I remember was "people are allowed to like things no matter the genre" I am more so confused as to how these people even got to that conclusion to begin with.

    • @CheesecakeMilitia
      @CheesecakeMilitia Před 2 měsíci +30

      IDK, the writing of DDLC felt kinda condescending - like "making fun" of these underage waifus and their effusive infatuation with the main character while playing all the anime tropes completely straight. It came across to me as lazy parody and overall mean spirited (especially considering the psychological horror plotline undermines a lot of character motivations and mental health issues explored in the first act, which makes the shock factor of those moments feel exploitative).
      This was the first time I'd heard of Salvato's deeper love for the genre, and it honestly surprises me to hear him be so genuine. The game read to me at the time like a confession from a self-hating weeb.

  • @noisykestrel
    @noisykestrel Před 2 měsíci +2987

    Monika is just the normal way of spelling the Name here in Germany, so I am surprised to learn it has an element of parody/satire in it for native English speakers :D

    • @MichaMielcarek
      @MichaMielcarek Před 2 měsíci +118

      Same in Poland

    • @Ratryoshka
      @Ratryoshka Před 2 měsíci +44

      Same in Indonesia

    • @pemanilnoob
      @pemanilnoob Před 2 měsíci +116

      I always thought it was the normal spelling because of ddlc

    • @stitchgor3
      @stitchgor3 Před 2 měsíci +86

      Wait I’m native English and from England I thought Monika was correct😭

    • @nova-witchwood
      @nova-witchwood Před 2 měsíci +61

      I am your regular American but I only know Monikas, not Monicas. Maybe it’s just me.

  • @IHATEFLORIDAALOT
    @IHATEFLORIDAALOT Před 2 měsíci +2205

    I didnt know that people thought it was a cynical parody of visual novels or something. I when I heard about it it came across to me like a neat visual novel with a cool horror twist

    • @orangejuice782
      @orangejuice782 Před 2 měsíci +128

      i wonder if part of why people falsely claimed it as one was because they themselves hated visual novels and wanted to stand out, be the cool kids who like the Cool Mean Satire and not that "mushy bullcrap with no substance".
      most people who arent familiar with the visual novel genre often see it as a "lesser" kind of video game compared to FPSes or RPGs, especially considering most VNs (that westerners hear about, at least) are seemingly cutesy love stories, and liking something "lesser" is seen as Loser Activity(tm). the veil of satire, even if not applicable at all here, protects them from having earnestly engaged with something they think will make them look lame.
      some also call DDLC a subversion of the genre, and while i agree it does do some very unique things (like the gamefiles being a thing you HAVE to mess with to complete the story), there are tons of visual novels that tackle dark and depressing subjects, even moreso than DDLC, but they just aren't translated to other languages too often or are very small indie projects that don't hit it as big. the youtube channel Amelie Doree discusses many games like this, so if anyone reading this comment had their interest piqued by the concept of MORE VNs about messed up things, please give her videos a try!

    • @Weremole
      @Weremole Před 2 měsíci +26

      There's been so many kinds of adventure / visual novels through history and DDLC is far from the first meta horror one.

    • @animebro14
      @animebro14 Před 2 měsíci +18

      ​@Weremole i agree. It's just that DDLC ended up going mainstream. Fun fact: Dan Salvato became aware of totono halfway through ddlc's development

    • @animebro14
      @animebro14 Před 2 měsíci +6

      Those same people when on to hate the side stories for not being scary

    • @BoneBeastKimimaro
      @BoneBeastKimimaro Před měsícem +5

      I think most people can easily perceive that the game was meant to be satire of common romance slice of life VN tropes in order lower your guard to hit you hard with the deep psychological horror, but some people mistakenly attribute the satire aspect to a disdain for VNs. That's likely where the issue lies.

  • @Forcommentingpurposes
    @Forcommentingpurposes Před 2 měsíci +1795

    The sprite system is INSANE like that’s truly next level and I’m gonna need to use it for my own game

    • @ThatGuyGlen
      @ThatGuyGlen  Před 2 měsíci +271

      It was a lifesaver for Dan so implementing it for your own project seems like the right move!

    • @thornordgren2239
      @thornordgren2239 Před měsícem +39

      isn't that how most games do sprites?

    • @TrueHDR
      @TrueHDR Před měsícem +9

      whats ur game about?

    • @AuroraAce.
      @AuroraAce. Před měsícem +28

      most vns have modular sprites, its just the most efficient way to go about making 100+ similar sprites

    • @AwesomeNinjaXD
      @AwesomeNinjaXD Před 9 dny +2

      I'm actually part of this game's modding community. While a lot of people still use this sprite system, a lot of us have been slowly using layeredimage a lot more. Basically the same thing, except instead of using pre-made expressions, we just have a blank facebase with individual eyes, mouths, and eyebrows to mix and match.

  • @level3xfactor
    @level3xfactor Před 2 měsíci +652

    Hi! I wrote the interview with Dan from PC Invasion that was used as a reference! I loved DDLC after I played it so much when I emailed Dan for the interview I didn’t think he’d respond. But he was super easy to talk to and a genuinely nice guy. I’m glad to see people are still talking about and loving this amazing game!

    • @ThatGuyGlen
      @ThatGuyGlen  Před 2 měsíci +73

      Awesome, that was a great interview! Lots of valuable details from that one that ended up in the video. Dan really seems like a good guy so I'm glad to hear you had a great experience with him!

  • @TyperMarlinGames
    @TyperMarlinGames Před 2 měsíci +770

    I love how the title has slowly gotten more and more true over time.
    “How DDLC was made and why it made the creator miserable”
    “How DDLC was made and why its release made the creator miserable”
    “How DDLC was made and why its release caused misery”

    • @pontus_011
      @pontus_011 Před 2 měsíci +169

      "How Doki Doki Literature Club! Was Made and Why it Will Never be Adapted" atm lol

    • @FlantisFroggu
      @FlantisFroggu Před 2 měsíci +7

      ​@@pontus_011that's the best one imo

    • @sayorispacebunzz
      @sayorispacebunzz Před 2 měsíci +27

      DDLC never caused misery it might be adapted just gottta wait till how ddlc was made and why it made the world insane

    • @ConvenientlyShapedUsername
      @ConvenientlyShapedUsername Před 2 měsíci +74

      Why does it change so much lol
      Now it's "Inside the Mind of Dan Salvato: How Doki Doki Literature Club! Was Made"

    • @pontus_011
      @pontus_011 Před 2 měsíci +13

      @SofieArts now its something new entirely lmao i have no idea why

  • @Cr_nch
    @Cr_nch Před 2 měsíci +540

    12:31 I love the little dialogue boxes here they just add so much flair to the video!

    • @ThatGuyGlen
      @ThatGuyGlen  Před 2 měsíci +66

      It was really fun to work with DDLC’s style and look!

  • @Miltypooh2001
    @Miltypooh2001 Před měsícem +142

    What I love about doki doki literature club is the ending you get after finishing the game and you get a small note from dan salvato, its so heartwarming and you can tell that he loved the game and wanted people to enjoy it and be comfortable with playing games.

  • @_valplaysgames
    @_valplaysgames Před 2 měsíci +304

    i played this game for the first time earlier this year! thought it was fascinating as hell lol. love all the little details that were worked in, like how monika is the only character who doesn’t break eye contact with the player throughout the game

  • @adriangd5040
    @adriangd5040 Před 2 měsíci +108

    10:43 one moment i like that shows this and monika breaking the 4th wall is when natsuki makes a pun with fish (at least i think (forgive me it’s been so long since i’ve played this game)) and monika’s name which would only make sense in japanese, and monika points that out

    • @imthebossmermaid3648
      @imthebossmermaid3648 Před měsícem +48

      It was with a squid. "ika" means "squid" in Japanese, so she was calling Monika "Mon-squid". That's why Monika points out that the pun makes no sense in translation, because the characters are in-universe speaking Japanese, but meta-wise are speaking English.

  • @Fantasygod930
    @Fantasygod930 Před 2 měsíci +238

    I never thought this game was made by a Competitive pro smash player That's kind of funny to me

  • @pimikameaw
    @pimikameaw Před 2 měsíci +111

    This is so interesting! I always love to explore the different concept arts, scrapped ideas, development challenges of various medias.
    And while i knew most about DDLC, i had no idea Dan turned down the idea of adapting the story into, what could've been a very successful manga, just to stay truthful to his beliefs
    Wishing him all the best to his new projects moving forward!
    And subbing to you in the meantime ^-^

    • @ThatGuyGlen
      @ThatGuyGlen  Před 2 měsíci +7

      Always awesome to see a fellow creator in the comments :D Glad I was able to showcase something new about its development!

  • @FaLumpaGus907
    @FaLumpaGus907 Před 2 měsíci +261

    Went to go subscribe after watching. Was already subbed.. thought to myself "I got good taste"

  • @zaden9009
    @zaden9009 Před 2 měsíci +157

    Kind of surprised about this.
    I adore the game, and I still carry around the Literature Club card (that you get for preordering) on my wallet.
    Hope to see more of his work in the future.

    • @hmm8184
      @hmm8184 Před měsícem

      Oh my gosh I didnt know you get a card from pre ordering?! So jelly!

  • @arnavkamble7144
    @arnavkamble7144 Před 2 měsíci +861

    There are two types of comments
    >Detailed analysis of the video/facts
    >Smash

    • @Nameless-ny8nk
      @Nameless-ny8nk Před 2 měsíci +62

      >Just Monika

    • @AlexAlex-bt8nd
      @AlexAlex-bt8nd Před 2 měsíci +9

      Smash

    • @HyperNova808
      @HyperNova808 Před 2 měsíci +6

      @@Nameless-ny8nk*Celeste
      D-Sides ptsd*

    • @b2hots
      @b2hots Před 2 měsíci +6

      I'm not seeing any "Smash" comments. Maybe ThatGuyGlen is deleting them or something. unless you're refering to Project M.

    • @CloverSalad
      @CloverSalad Před 2 měsíci

      smash

  • @-LightSmit
    @-LightSmit Před 2 měsíci +62

    I’m making a Japanese learning game on my channel, and as a guy married in Japan with 3 kids (for more than 10 years), I’ve never played a visual novel game.
    I’m just not into anime girls, and the sounds they make. Death Note, Code Guess and Baki are my favorites, but with games, probably survival RPGs.
    Thanks for the amazing videos Glen. Light

    • @ThatGuyGlen
      @ThatGuyGlen  Před 2 měsíci +8

      My pleasure, glad to hear you enjoy them!

  • @bella_daze3092
    @bella_daze3092 Před 2 měsíci +97

    Doki Doki Literature Club became one of my favorite games because of how it was different. It’s something made with love and had an impact on me.

  • @buffynatorofficial
    @buffynatorofficial Před 2 měsíci +471

    Just Monika...Just Monika...Just Monika...Just Monika...Just Monika...Just Monika

  • @IamDaveDev
    @IamDaveDev Před 2 měsíci +90

    DDLC is one of my favorite games, and likely my favorite horror game (though I love FNAF too). I’m so glad you made a video on it!

    • @ThatGuyGlen
      @ThatGuyGlen  Před 2 měsíci +5

      It's been on my list for a while so I'm glad I finally got around to it!

  • @ThatGuyGlen
    @ThatGuyGlen  Před 2 měsíci +42

    What indie game would you like to see me cover next? Leave a suggestion in the comments below! Also, if you enjoyed the video, please consider subscribing to stay up to date on future “How Games Were Made” episodes. Leaving a like and sharing the video also helps out! Support me on Patreon and get exclusive content like Q&As, ad-free content, access to my Discord server and more: www.patreon.com/ThatGuyGlen

  • @Justin-ee1mv
    @Justin-ee1mv Před 14 dny +6

    It’s crazy that this game is almost 7 years ago, I still remember those days

  • @gjkdshgkjshjkgdfg
    @gjkdshgkjshjkgdfg Před 11 dny +3

    the program used to create the original designs for the dokis is called IIcharacter Alpha

  • @urphakeandgey6308
    @urphakeandgey6308 Před 2 měsíci +24

    It's rare anyone goes through the effort to make something good just to say "look at how crappy it is." Even if Dan didn't love VNs as much as he seems to, it would clearly be coming from a place of appreciation and criticism. Again, no one is going to put that much effort into something they genuinely don't like. There's clearly some kind of passion.

  • @CanonicalKaoru
    @CanonicalKaoru Před 2 měsíci +30

    I love the extra editing in this one!!

    • @ThatGuyGlen
      @ThatGuyGlen  Před 2 měsíci +10

      Glad to hear you enjoyed it! I love the game’s rich branding, so many bright colors and other elements to play with. I had a lot of fun making it :D

  • @P-P-Panda
    @P-P-Panda Před 2 měsíci +15

    Can never get enough of your vids. They really inspire me and I listen often when trying to make ideas for my own indie projects. Especially listening to Ddlc as a visual novel maker myself and trying to learn Renpy.

    • @ThatGuyGlen
      @ThatGuyGlen  Před 2 měsíci +2

      Glad to hear they serve as inspiration for you! And good luck with your indie projects!

  • @RickySama240
    @RickySama240 Před měsícem +15

    Time really flies by... I remember how popular this game was back in 2018 with the amount of people telling their own stories about how this game impacted their psyche. It is one of the most unique psychological horror games out there! 😇

    • @SuperFlashDriver
      @SuperFlashDriver Před měsícem +2

      Especially when people would include the music into their fan animations...Gees, I didn't realize how successful it was until I watched a longplay of it. But seeing the characters near the point where it knew the PC User's files reminded me a lot of how TatsHorrorVids mentioned how "Eternal Darkness" did a similar thing by reading the player's memory cards and such. Which, seeing video game characters being sentient in their own digital world compared to our world made it feel fascinating to say the least.

  • @mikuenjoyerXD
    @mikuenjoyerXD Před 2 měsíci +20

    I'm still obsessed with this game

  • @_thejuicebox
    @_thejuicebox Před měsícem +1

    What fantastic editing!! Thank you so much for the video and putting all this information here, wrapped in a neat bow! Shoutouts to you.

  • @chastomber
    @chastomber Před 2 měsíci +85

    Babe wake up, glen just posted another banger

  • @minah8292
    @minah8292 Před 2 měsíci +68

    I love your videos! As a creator, learning about the development of these projects is very inspiring. I always watch your videos, even if I haven't heard of the game before. You've actually introduced me to some of my favorites! Keep it up!

    • @ThatGuyGlen
      @ThatGuyGlen  Před 2 měsíci +11

      Awesome to hear that! I’m glad to hear you’re discovering more games, there’s so many more I want to cover!

  • @elone3997
    @elone3997 Před 2 měsíci +6

    Great video, thanks again. Love the mix of content you create and keeps it reaaly fresh ☺️ The creator really came across as such a grounded, thoughtful guy and the fact he chose to not sell out big makes me respect him more. Cheers Glen..

    • @ThatGuyGlen
      @ThatGuyGlen  Před 2 měsíci +1

      My pleasure, thank you for the kind words! And yup, Dan seems like a very level headed and kind person, can’t wait to see what he does next!

  • @witchecheveria9417
    @witchecheveria9417 Před 2 měsíci +41

    loved this breakdown! ddlc is one of my favorite games, i replay it at least once a year. i remember the absolute chills i got at the major turning point. thank you for the reminder, i should replay it again :D

  • @Explanda1
    @Explanda1 Před 2 měsíci +4

    Love your content, hope you keep it up

  • @b2hots
    @b2hots Před 2 měsíci +44

    I am so happy you made a video about the development process of Doki Doki Literature Club! since it doesn't seem like a lot of people acknowledge Team Salvato's amazing efforts and dedication (or should I say passion?) into making an innocent looking horror game that makes you feel like you're really a part of the experience/the in-game universe. Especially in a visual novel style which (successful) horror games never use/used. Every action feels like you're contributing to another character's demise with every option seeming like the wrong one. This video made me want to re-play DDLC again and I'm glad I did! I finished it in one session and I am currently writing this after I did. Thanks for uploading this great video and thanks for reminding me of this game's existence.

    • @ThatGuyGlen
      @ThatGuyGlen  Před 2 měsíci +2

      My pleasure, glad to hear you enjoyed the video!

  • @sticklyboi
    @sticklyboi Před měsícem +13

    i dont get the "Why The Creator Couldn't Make Games Anymore" part of the title because thats objectively untrue

    • @justinberndt9668
      @justinberndt9668 Před 4 dny +1

      Yeah, same here. Even this video covers that Dan Salvato/Team Salvato is working on future stuff. Title seems misleading

  • @cameronsmusic4322
    @cameronsmusic4322 Před 2 měsíci +15

    Always love your content so much, thank you for continuing to work so hard on these

    • @ThatGuyGlen
      @ThatGuyGlen  Před 2 měsíci +1

      My pleasure, I love making them!

  • @DanielleFreeman-im1yj
    @DanielleFreeman-im1yj Před měsícem +10

    There were so many Easter Eggs hidden in the games code that hinted at that there was another story going on. As much as I loved DDLC I can't help but feel a bit frustrated that I won't get to learn what this second story was going to be about.

  • @elichi5259
    @elichi5259 Před měsícem +1

    hi! i just wanted to say i really enjoy your videos; i absolutely love hearing about the history, influences, and development process behind specific video games. i really appreciate how well researched and concise these videos are; i haven't been interested in longer form content recently but your videos always manage to keep me interested. keep it going!!!

    • @ThatGuyGlen
      @ThatGuyGlen  Před měsícem +1

      Thank you very much for the kind words, comments like yours keep me motivated!

  • @thatgamerisntmii
    @thatgamerisntmii Před měsícem +4

    damn this editing style is really good nice job dude

  • @alternetic3833
    @alternetic3833 Před 2 měsíci +14

    Glen out here making one of the best internet culture documentation out here, amazing work

  • @cmyk8964
    @cmyk8964 Před 5 dny +1

    A timeline of DDLC character designs from “2000s online visual novel sprite maker” to “Final product” would be a really nice visual to look at.

  • @CraftingMenace
    @CraftingMenace Před měsícem +8

    I had no idea people thought he didnt like visual novels. Thats akin to saying everyone who worked on Madoka Magica hates magical girls.

    • @akiradkcn
      @akiradkcn Před 11 dny

      Not everyone but I wouldn't be suprised if Urobuchi in particular did lol

  • @mimisaiko
    @mimisaiko Před 2 měsíci +45

    Thanks for sharing
    A bit of nitpicking:
    - Yume Nikki, "me" is pronounced similar to "may".
    - 6:13 Inscryption was launched after Dokidoki.

  • @Nextliar
    @Nextliar Před měsícem +54

    You miss the fact that the plotwist of doki doki of Monika is the same of the visual novel "YOU and ME and HER: A Love Story" (Kimi to Kanojo to Kanojo no Koi) what comes in japan in 2013.

    • @slowyourroll1146
      @slowyourroll1146 Před měsícem +12

      "I'm talking to YOU."

    • @Sickcrazyneet
      @Sickcrazyneet Před měsícem +5

      Okay? it's not that unique of an idea.

    •  Před měsícem +7

      At some point, a genre exists for long enough that all subversions, deconstructions and satires already exist. That doesn't mean any new one can't be great.

    • @homucifer7594
      @homucifer7594 Před 7 dny +1

      Doki Doki Literature Club: porn Edition

  • @chickennuggies2994
    @chickennuggies2994 Před 6 dny

    Amazing video pal :D

  • @SLAVKINGRED
    @SLAVKINGRED Před 2 měsíci +19

    i believe that ddlc could be adapted into a animated tv show like seiren with the same story over and over but with a different heroin

  • @bupp291
    @bupp291 Před 2 měsíci +9

    Such incredible production quality! As always! Great job!

    • @ThatGuyGlen
      @ThatGuyGlen  Před 2 měsíci +2

      Much appreciated, glad to hear you enjoyed the video!

  • @usernameig975
    @usernameig975 Před měsícem

    Great video. Very informative and thoroughly enjoyable. Made me recall the olden days when I consumed fanmade DDLC content on a daily basis.

    • @ThatGuyGlen
      @ThatGuyGlen  Před měsícem

      Thank you, glad to hear you liked it!

  • @thatitalianlameguy2235
    @thatitalianlameguy2235 Před 2 měsíci +4

    Did not expect him to be a fan and of akiha of all girls. That's because ddlc is kinda shallow and there's a much better vn with the same concepts, You and me and her a love story (totono). His idea of vns always being chained to certain tropes reads like someone who only read the popular ones and stopped there because the genre is absolutely insane and full of unique ground breaking shit with trope breaking. It's just frequently not for the faint of heart in its subjects.

  • @sakareeh
    @sakareeh Před 2 měsíci +1

    15:26 holy shit that’s so simple yet innovative. Also this video was so informative and well edited. Subbed

    • @ThatGuyGlen
      @ThatGuyGlen  Před 2 měsíci +1

      Glad to hear you liked it and thank you for subscribing!

  • @ChimeraLotietheBunny
    @ChimeraLotietheBunny Před 2 měsíci

    I always love content around DDLC and any sort of indie game creations that inspire them

  • @hundredLeech
    @hundredLeech Před měsícem +2

    Definitely did not expect to see "Executive Producers: LSplash" in the credits

  • @held2053
    @held2053 Před měsícem +1

    I think this video did quite boost my confidence regarding game development

  • @hjghjgjhhjkhklk2683
    @hjghjgjhhjkhklk2683 Před 2 měsíci +2

    The title keeps changingg

  • @thisrandomdude_
    @thisrandomdude_ Před 2 měsíci

    Thank you so much for making a video on this game!! Banger as always hahahahah, freaking love learning more about the behind the scenes of these really cool pieces of media, some of which are my favourites of all time, and yet something that I haven't given much thought to them for each one :P so it's always surprising somehow
    Edit: some feedback about the title, I kinda think the one where it said "and why it will never be adapted" was the most interesting and captivating, but you probably have the back-end insights about whether that's true for wider audiences or not hahahahah

    • @ThatGuyGlen
      @ThatGuyGlen  Před 2 měsíci +1

      My pleasure, I'm just happy to hear you enjoy the content! :D

  • @JAPANESE_MAPLE
    @JAPANESE_MAPLE Před 2 měsíci +1

    thanks for the video glen now iam happy

  • @jwswart
    @jwswart Před měsícem

    Thank you for this informative and entertaining video. i did not know 75% of the things you talked about, and i thought i knew all there was to know about DDLC / Dan. Thank you!

    • @ThatGuyGlen
      @ThatGuyGlen  Před měsícem

      My pleasure, glad to hear you liked it!

  • @FireNotLord
    @FireNotLord Před 2 měsíci +7

    Fingers cross, let's hope this video will hit the algorithm!

  • @savageboy22
    @savageboy22 Před 25 dny

    Thanks for a great video! I got introduced to the game via game theory live and watched them play it and around the time i think the uploaded the DDLC+ content as well. I like the game a lot and when i found out a couple years ago that i could get it on the switch i bought it. was walking around in a gamestop and found it outa no where. DDLC and DDLC+ are great games and this video touches on some great topics!.

  • @fildorian6867
    @fildorian6867 Před měsícem

    Thank you for the information... I was really looking to get some insight into the things surrounding it, as well as the thoughts of Dan, after playing this game

  • @srgmatrix6970
    @srgmatrix6970 Před měsícem +4

    I'm so glad they are still working on more games, all this time I hoped they did not abandon Project Libitina, and seeing how it was also in DDLC and DDLC+, it could look like it might be in their vision still.
    Great documentary.

    • @ThatGuyGlen
      @ThatGuyGlen  Před měsícem

      Thanks, glad you liked it!

    • @JacksonVoet
      @JacksonVoet Před 16 dny

      Something like THAT… can only be made in time. I think it’s more likely that we may receive another ARG before that, and the game will finally release once it’s solved.

    • @srgmatrix6970
      @srgmatrix6970 Před 16 dny

      @@JacksonVoet Whatchu mean like "THAT"? That grandiose of a project, or deep, well thought hidden encoded secrets, or something else specific?

    • @JacksonVoet
      @JacksonVoet Před 16 dny

      @@srgmatrix6970 Super complicated and lore rich, as well as well hidden.

    • @srgmatrix6970
      @srgmatrix6970 Před 15 dny

      @@JacksonVoet Considering how long Doki was in the making, maybe it's not unnatural to see it's still not done, but I guess I just lost hope that they are working on anything related.

  • @TheDarkestPhoenix
    @TheDarkestPhoenix Před měsícem +20

    "I don't understand why people would think that 'parody' means a spiteful rendition of the medium" Why am I seeing this sentiment in the comments so much? It should be obvious why, especially at the time, a "parody" of a genre, was going to be seen as a spiteful, hate driven, project. 2018, we had several "parody" VNs that ranged from things that either completely misunderstood the genre, to mocking the people who enjoyed the genre. This is far more apparent when you see western cartoons jazzing on anime using tropes for cheap laughs. Or just completely misunderstanding why people like anime in the first place (hint: it's not just an art style difference). DDLC, without knowing the background or the creator and seeing it strictly blind outside of marketing materials, just reeks of "westerner doesn't understand genre, makes parody horror". I don't blame him for this, and I don't blame the people who look at it with that lens. I do blame the devs of said "parody" VNs that decided to defecate in the pool though.

    • @radonbox6569
      @radonbox6569 Před měsícem +1

      When I first read your comment my reaction was to disagree but after re reading I think I agree actually. DDLC doesn't do much to show the creator is passionate about the genre, it feels like satire meant to poke fun.

    • @DyingSunset
      @DyingSunset Před měsícem +1

      It also doesnt help that a lot of DDLC fans gassed it up as this godly masterful never-before-seen deconstruction of VNs and Dating Sims, which only makes sense to think if you dont actually have much familiarity with them. "The characters seem like common tropes at first, but actually have DEPTH" is praise i have seen WAY too much coming from the kind of DDLC fans that have never read another VN before.
      Hell, when Totono finally got localized, there were people who accused it of being a DDLC clone.. Even though it came first. And did a lot of the things they laud DDLC for much better by actually being willing to engage with the aspects of the genre that western audiences find unpalatable and look down on.
      I dont hate DDLC, but the way western players treat it like a golden cow hasnt done it any favors. In my best faith reading of the game, its a meta narrative that uses the AESTHETICS of Dating Sim and VN deconstruction as a framing device, without actually saying much about VNs and Dating Sims specifically that isnt kind of surface level. Its a good meta narrative, but its not the deconstructive masterpiece its treated as. Its immense success is mostly due to giving the illusion of grand deconstruction to an audience that only has limited experience with the medium due to both preconceived notions and language barrier, and being clean and palatable enough to not drive away the kinda people who look down on VNs for being "degenerate".
      This is very much an issue with western audiences that wouldve occured either way and cant be blamed solely on Salvato (though i do think DDLC very much feels like a game based on a very western view of VNs, even if its one that appreciates them.), but it very much gives me complicated feelings about it.

  • @emiledragalia
    @emiledragalia Před měsícem +1

    The character creator usage is such a mood that takes me back, so based for that tbh

  • @imjinaah
    @imjinaah Před 2 měsíci +4

    new upload yey! 😄

  • @Kimizuky
    @Kimizuky Před měsícem

    Nice video!

  • @KaiserV-2
    @KaiserV-2 Před 2 měsíci +3

    I really wonder if he's making a second game like he tease before. Its been along time so it must be huge. I hope it's good, if it is being made.

  • @thegothaunt
    @thegothaunt Před 2 měsíci +10

    Amazing! You take such care to match all your video elements to the game you're covering and it adds so much to each video and also makes your content very iconic!

    • @ThatGuyGlen
      @ThatGuyGlen  Před 2 měsíci +3

      My pleasure, thank you for all the kind words! I’m glad people appreciate that aspect of my videos, it takes a lot of work each time but it keeps things interesting for myself and I love making each and every one of them!

  • @njsrobot
    @njsrobot Před 4 dny +1

    Didn’t know Dan salvato was chill like that 2:25

  • @greenhydra10
    @greenhydra10 Před 2 měsíci +2

    22:27 Of course Omocat was in on this. I shouldn't even be surprised.

  • @JermTheWerm123
    @JermTheWerm123 Před měsícem +1

    Very good video about the history of my favorite horror game!

    • @ThatGuyGlen
      @ThatGuyGlen  Před měsícem

      Thanks, glad to hear you enjoyed it!

  • @gamerofgamers1417
    @gamerofgamers1417 Před měsícem +1

    Great video. I do feel like the title was a bit clickbait though since there's nothing in the video stating that Dan doesn't want to make games anymore.

  • @abby2577
    @abby2577 Před 2 měsíci +3

    nice to see the stanley parable and inscryption mentioned as some other good 4th wall breaking games :)

  • @blar2112
    @blar2112 Před měsícem +2

    This is the only visual novel i ever played and probably will (if VA-11 Hall-A does not count) and i loved it. If Salvato makes another visual novel i will seriously consider playing it.

  • @Krendall2
    @Krendall2 Před 25 dny +5

    How is it Dan "Couldn't Make Games Anymore" when he has three projects in development?

  • @yoqqen
    @yoqqen Před 2 měsíci +7

    I share these videos with all my boys, they’re so good and high quality. Seriously think this channel could snowball its way to 1 million subs with enough time. Definitely deserves it

    • @ThatGuyGlen
      @ThatGuyGlen  Před 2 měsíci

      Much appreciated for sharing the video around, you have no idea how much that helps the channel! And thank you for the kind words!

  • @enickma910
    @enickma910 Před měsícem

    My favorite part of doki doki is pressing down b, jumping out of it frame 4, pressing down and to the side and R at the same time, pressing down b, jumping out of it frame 4, pressing down and to the side and R at the same time, and smashing up on the c stick

  • @matteste
    @matteste Před měsícem +3

    Strange that You and Me and Her wasn't an influence given it did something very similar several years prior.

    • @Chr.Monika6469
      @Chr.Monika6469 Před měsícem

      From what i've heard, someone questioned Dan Salvato about this game in which he replied he "never heard of it". Which is weird, given both have a lot of similarities.

    • @akiradkcn
      @akiradkcn Před 11 dny

      ​@@Chr.Monika6469because these similarities are pretty superficial at the end of the day, the whole thing about being stuck inside a virtual simulation is older than the Matrix movie

  • @JohnH100-ih3he
    @JohnH100-ih3he Před měsícem +1

    Doki Doki Literature Club was the first game I ever played. Video games were banned in my house when I was kid and Anime frowned upon, so I suppose it was a little rebellion of mine. I have played many games since but none will ever compare to DDLC as it's so special to me.

  • @Chr.Monika6469
    @Chr.Monika6469 Před měsícem +1

    I'm pretty sure at least one of those visual novels in the end is Project Libitina

  • @tienluong9648
    @tienluong9648 Před měsícem

    I seriously want to see a follow up game that answers all the questions, hidden details and LORE of this DDLC

  • @LynxTheUnrelated
    @LynxTheUnrelated Před 2 měsíci +6

    Has this video changed it's thumbnail like 4 times or is my memory actually bad enough that I forget what the thumbnail to this video looks like every time i see it?

  • @afonsoalexandr
    @afonsoalexandr Před měsícem

    Amazingly Interesting!

  • @crazayhazay
    @crazayhazay Před 2 měsíci +6

    i’ve been inlove with ddlc ever since the year after its release, this video is so informative and i love it, its so well made too

  • @muazshahidee1stYt
    @muazshahidee1stYt Před 20 hodinami

    DDLC felt like both a love letter to Visual Novels and the showcasing of future possibilities of what this format of storytelling can achieve. Huge respect to Dan Salvato

  • @ilhama3214
    @ilhama3214 Před 2 měsíci +2

    @ThatGuyGlen please do cover Fishing Paradiso next,i'm interested to see how this hidden gem of a game got it's inspiration from!

    • @ThatGuyGlen
      @ThatGuyGlen  Před 2 měsíci

      Thanks for the suggestion, I’ll look into that one!

  • @Merc1mek
    @Merc1mek Před 28 dny +1

    A video going in depth about one of my favorite game?

  • @Illumous
    @Illumous Před 2 měsíci +3

    I got this game day one by happenstance not realizing what kind of game it actually was. Ill say I was completely caught off guard half-way through... but I loved it!!!!

  • @bluenightrblx
    @bluenightrblx Před měsícem

    huge W. 202k sub!

  • @colorfulsheepp
    @colorfulsheepp Před 2 měsíci +2

    Your videos are the best bro im telling you

  • @menaced.
    @menaced. Před 13 dny

    I met Dan playing melee at a booth at GDC, hes pretty cool i didnt know who he was and we played some taunt battle. I got a sayori pin from him too

  • @kagaya-samastories2005
    @kagaya-samastories2005 Před 2 měsíci +3

    I really like DDLC but I think that it couldve been scarier if the CGs for the hororr scenes didnt exist and instead you only had text explain the scene. When you see the CG it always felt like the scene was always supposed ti exist while having an explainaiton of the scene while sething else is being shown makesnit feel like somebody is manipulating the game for their own goal.
    It would look like the game is supposed to be normal but somebody else is editing it for an unknown reason. To me its like Monika was editing the story to have the girls kill themselves but she somewhat loses her pacience and causes a few problems during the suicide of Sayori andnjust stops putting effort in her work. Which leads to the next scenes lacking polish (like the room where we talk with Monika in the end is a pre-existing background with the second layer changed with another image.

  • @joshuatokosi
    @joshuatokosi Před měsícem +1

    1:54 I’m getting flashbacks from this music

  • @depzaikhiem8538
    @depzaikhiem8538 Před 5 dny +1

    how can I get the picture over right, it is so beautiful

  • @mikuenjoyerXD
    @mikuenjoyerXD Před 2 měsíci +70

    Random but I feel like a ddlc, omori and Danganronpa are the three pillars of the mentally ill fandom

    • @RandomNameIDK9
      @RandomNameIDK9 Před 2 měsíci +10

      You can describe each of those 3 games just by: depression, depression (and is also gay), and depression (but could be a murderer)

    • @mikuenjoyerXD
      @mikuenjoyerXD Před 2 měsíci +1

      I would also like to add class of 09

    • @some_guy117
      @some_guy117 Před měsícem +4

      @@mikuenjoyerXDI wouldn’t say that game is about mental illness. Just a game about shitty high school kids being terrible people, and everyone around is just as terrible

    • @person-fl8dk
      @person-fl8dk Před měsícem +1

      guess i'm mentally ill then

    • @anotherordinaryfellow6935
      @anotherordinaryfellow6935 Před 20 dny +1

      Those "mentally ill" fandoms are the most funniest, somehow creative, and happy contrast to the game.
      And you're not lying.

  • @wasabi5134
    @wasabi5134 Před 2 měsíci +1

    OHMYGODDOKIDOKI
    HE FINALLY DID IT :D
    I love this channel sm

  • @Hugo-mv8se
    @Hugo-mv8se Před 2 měsíci +1

    Good work as usual keep up the good work !
    I don't know why the youtube algorithm has been mean to that video tho

  • @joseluispcr
    @joseluispcr Před 2 měsíci +2

    lot of time has passed since the launch of this huh?

  • @pilotlovelacee
    @pilotlovelacee Před 22 dny

    idk why, but everytime i play through ddlc i cry. man, this game hits every time...