M4 Macs - Can Intel Lunar Lake & AMD HX 370 BEAT Apple?!
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- Apple's M4 Macs are coming this Fall, but will they be powerful enough to BEAT Intel's Lunar Lake and AMD's Ryzen AI HX 370 Laptop chips? Let me explain!
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M4 Macs vs Intel vs AMD vs Qualcomm - 00:00
Rundown of each 2024 chip - 0:36
Geekbench Single-core - 1:59
Speedometer 2.1 Web Browsing - 2:56
Geekbench Multi-core - 4:38
Cinebench 2024 Multi-core CPU - 6:10
Geekbench 6 OpenCL/Metal - 7:43
3DMark Time Spy - 9:26
3dMark Steel Nomad Light - 10:15
Which Laptop will be the Battery Life KING? - 11:06
How is the X Elite Battery Life vs Intel? - 12:07
How about X Elite vs Apple's MacBooks? - 12:41
Thoughts on Intel Lunar Lake Battery Life - 13:49
Final Conclusion on 2024's BEST Chip - 14:56
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Hay man, you don't need to zoom into the bar chart with green arrows. Your charts are sharp and concise.
Apple M4 doesn't have SVE/SVE2, it only has SME, which is somewhat the evolution of those two, it's more of an analogue to intel max. Granted, apple silicon always had matrix extensions, just they were proprietary (also called AMX lel), and now they're using the ARMv9 standard ones. However SVE/2 are not present in M4, as noted in the llvm commit adding support for the platform.
Also fair to point out, the M4 has only 4 P cores and 6 E-cores.
AMD has been really underrated here and has always been competitive with Apple's/Qualcomm offerings when they are at lower wattages. It is Intel which is giving X86 a bad reputation. AMD didn't need to do as much cutting as Intel as their Zen micro arch has always been more energy efficient than Intel's core micro arch. I expect AMD to lead Intel and perhaps even Qualcomm. Apple is on a newer node and should be the most efficient overall.
AMD will be fine, Intel will be fine. Qualcomm is paying propaganda and their issues won't be fixed over night.
There's a reason why OEMs didn't take the risk with AMD. Its volume, Intel is the only one that could fulfill their shipments. Meteor Lake in paper should had performed better, but it didn't. So OEMs disappointed, gave AMD a bigger chance.
Which is a huge Win for AMD.
That said, Lunar Lake will be fine, also Strix Point and Halo. Lunar seems battery King and AMD performance King.
Seeing AMD is launching in July and Intel in September. Idk if Qualcomm has enough time to fix their s*&t. Both will still its thunder.
Consider that Qualcomm gpu sucks so bad lol.
I think one reason why Apple pushed for 2 new M family chips in less than 18 months is that they want to maintain the performance crown. Increased competition kinda forced their hands
Nope
@@captain_yuri1You are right. M3 was pushed to market to get to 3nm first. M4 will be on the TMSC technology that was not quite ready. M3 bought time really.
So basically they were scared
@@elderman64 not one bit. Apple being Apple, wants to be first. Apple Silicon is light years ahead of the competiton.
Competition is great!
I'll happily get the lunarlake if the battery life can go over 10 hours and the fan doesn't sound like a jet engine just running windows updates
Thats the one i am waiting for
I agree, I tested Meteor Lake with 8K video playback and it flew through it without breaking a sweat! Intel Lunar Lake and AMD's Strix Halo should be BEASTS.
@@iLegionaire3755 I would have gotten the snapdragon if the gpu wasn't so awful. It's not good for future proofing at all and I'm not even sure if you can connect an egpu either
I'm surprised that Intel 8 core vs. M3 8 core, was very close to performance. Like a nail behind, but it's the same core count. For thin and light is amazing.
I sold my AMD based laptop for this very reason
there is no reason to beat apple . i am an engineer , all of my important engineering software like , solidworks , altium , ansys , proteus and alot more , simply does not exists on mac . also native pc gaming . a hardcore windows user will never move on to mac no matter how impressive apples later cpu is . in terms of gpu , apple is never beating nvidia , there is simply no competition there . same goes to a hardcore mac user who is invested in mac available softwares and eco system , they are not moving to windows ever .
These things are also stopping me to buy a snapdragon x elite laptops, I mean they are looking great but lack of engineering software support holds me back.
@@KP21530 I would say that the GPU is too slow, but other than that it's great for me
If this will make apple start with 16GB RAM as base - then I am all for it
12 will be enough for 99% users thanks to unified memory, only VM users and other specific uses where unified memory are useless will need 16GB+
@@RiccardoMerloVegan dude, why not just enjoy the free ram upgrade if they go 16GB, your mac gets to live longer, jeez now i understand how apple can suck the money out of it's buyers
@RiccardoMerloVegan The RAM speed advantage that the M1-M2 chip had is gone with DDR5 RAM the last year.
From Meteor Lake laptops to Snapdragon X Elite laptops, most are getting 7,467 Mhz to 8448 Mhz RAM speed. Keep in mind that all current M chip pro laptops (M1 to M3) get 6,400 Mhz RAM speed. The architecture amplifies it to roughly 7,000 Mhz. Thus, 8GB is actually falling behind with Macbooks. 8GB on an M3 Macbook Pro = 6.6GB of RAM with a Snapdragon X Elite laptop.
@@RiccardoMerloVeganstop giving Apple excuses to cheap out, it costs roughly $2 per GB on the wholesale market for DRAM, meaning that for the extra 4GB to go from 12 to 16GB it would cost Apple $8 which no doubt they’ll gouge you $200 for.
I really hope those Intel numbers were from a bottom tier sku because they look unimpressive on a multi-core basis. Even if the battery life is amazing, the CPU performance is still lacking when compared to it's direct competition. AMD looks like the X86 multi-core king! M4 Pro 14-inch might be the most balanced hardware when it comes to the laptop market.
It only has 4 P cores. Of course it’ll be much weaker in multi core
No, the highest end SKU will also have a 4P+4E layout. It makes sense, since Lunar Lake is meant for the low-mid range market. For higher end, Intel will be releasing Arrow Lake for Laptops within a month.
It's a solid new design, but still needs backside power in the next generation for the win.
Given that Max made up the numbers it’s doing fine.
@@alexkotlar2327 Check Geekbench browse section. Those numbers were not made up.
Geekbench results don't matter. It does not nor has ever been indicative of real world performance.
7:55, but in reality the AMD will score, much better in real life games than synthetic graphics benchmark. expecting 20% better result than this percentage.
Agreed, AMD is being very underrated here.
meteor lake only have 60~70% fps of amd unit even the score very close but intel gpu already on 5nm and use more power.
Reality can also be opposite
I wonder if they can handle my excel work load of 3 pages and 150 comps
Yaaawwwn, just waiting for strix halo, 256 bit bus with 40cu 🤤 gpu, my body is ready
Will probably only be available on a very limited number of laptops or mini PCs unfortunately.
i hope it will have memory allocation like apple unified memory on windows or linux, i think strix halo is product that amd try to achieve "HSA" on personal device
It beats Apple by default because it won’t cost $2K starting with no storage or RAM…
😂8gb ram 😂😂
It’s Mac OS not windows
So don’t need for so much ram.
@@AlHawaniTV8gb is 8gb ma. Don't fall for apple shit man. 😂😂😂
@@AlHawaniTV
U must be living in 2012
Well considering the surface laptop 13.8”starts at $1,400 and the MacBook Air start at $1,099 (M3 13”) you are off on your starting by almost 1k
I consider the M4, Strix Point(AMD HX 370) and lunar lake to be on the same league(thin and light) as they have similar price points($1000~$2000) and TDP(15W~30W, though AMD can be configured higher). Then M4 Pro, Strix Halo, and Arrow lake - H + RTX 50/60/70 series to be on the same higher league($2000-$3000). Then M4 Max, Fire Range(Zen 4 + X3D) + Radeon RX ~900M series GPU, and Arrow Lake -HX + RTX 80/90 series to be on the same highest tier league($3000-$4000).(best performance)
I think Apple should add 10 more GPU cores to the pro and max series to make them more GPU competitive and maybe 2 more efficiency on the max series.
All pro laptops should start at 16gb of Ram minimum and 1tb ssd storage. Maybe the prices would be better at that point.
@@GlobalWave116GB? Honestly a pro should have no less then 32GB, 64GB as mid and 256GB+ for the high end. 16GB is anything but pro these days.
@@Somethingaboutthat 16gb for normal users, 32gb for pros. 8gb, well for....
I agree. Lunar Lake will be battey King, which is great. Qualcomm over dis x86 and made too many bold statements that weren't real.
I've stated a long time ago, Performance King Strix Halo. Battery King, Lunar Lake. Overhyped King, Qualcomm.
That's doesn't mean Strix Point won't be competitive on battery life or if Arrow Lake won't be competitive with Strix Halo. Both will, but I see those being the champs in each area.
Now if you talking about dedicated graphics and Max versions of the M4. That's the fun part to watch as always. Although Apple always looks very great because of efficiency.
@@MrPtheMan Yeah, but I think Strix Point would be an overall good balance between CPU performance and battery life(efficiency) tho I hope the iGPU performance was slightly better...tbh, in terms of eGPU, the RTX 4050/60/70 series was quite efficient as it was built on TSMC N4 node, almost comparable to Apple's. (the difference is that NVIDIA can be more powerful if you give it more and more power) Arrow Lake does not have much info leaked so can't say much about it...
Why should Apple be worried? That another Chip might be faster in an amount that a normal user not even notices?
A Apple user is not jumping ship just because Intel,AMD or any other manufacturer has a new chip.
For most workloads you can't even ask for more performance than what the M-series chips deliver already. Even the M1.
It can't be faster because TSMC has a monopoly and apple is paying for there best manufacturing process. It's impossible until someone ends TSMC monopoly
totally agree, mac users are in because of OS features, and apps like photoshop works better on mac because of file explorer, and same with many other creative work related programs, there's no real incentive to switch
"Chip might be faster in an amount that a normal user not even notices? " -this is biggest problem in industry for companies like AMD, Intel or Apple. I have M1 Pro and I'm power user. Is there any reason for me to switch to M4/X Elite/Ryzen AI/Lunar Lake? No. Your average user surfing web and watching Netflix would be happy with performance of 8 years old chip.
Not only that but Apple’s hardware and software is focused on one architecture. ARM.
With the amount of chip manufacturers and them trying to compete against themselves with Arm vs x86, it’ll just create a fragmentation for the PC community and put developers in a position where they’ll likely create applications that work better on one chip than it does on the other.
At least with Mac it’ll be more cut and dry. You make an app, and it works the same on all devices.
disruption is when a product that is different to what came before is bought massively. I haven't seen any company placing massive orders for these new snapdragon laptops for their employees, neither heard people discussing of buying them for personal use.... at least not until now, maybe you guys have more data about this
Because the software stack is just not ready. They didn't even send out dev kits. Nobody wants to pay $1300 for a laptop that rolls the dice on whether the app will work or not.
There are internal tools of employers that may not work on sd laptops.
In my company itself, it took 5-6 years to build some applications. They will definitely wont go for arm processors to support it.
Companies will be the last to buy them. For a company stability and compatibility is way more important.
Not true. May be its too early because its been only a month. But the Macbooks of M series were in companies in less than 6 months.
The main problem is the prism translation layer. Its not stable yet unlike how macbooks rosetta.
@@rns10 The workflow is way more diverse in the Windows and Linux world. No company wants unpredictible workflow. Imagine you need to set some old industrial device in the middle of nowhere or in your client's office and it does not work.
我本來想買2024 lenevo yoga pro9i ,但最近各家芯片都在大更新,讓我很困惑要不要繼續等下去？intel lunar lake 是否不會使用搭載在高階的筆記型電腦上?
If you want high end laptop, wait for Arrow Lake. It has more cores than Lunar Lake, and also made from TSM 3nm .
@@linglongchen5241 看來我應該會等待下去 謝謝你
when are you going to test the x elite laptops vs m3 max 16 inch macbook pro
also i dont think x86 or snapdragon chips are getting anywhere near m4
Spoiler: X Elite is going to be even more competitive on price when all these reviewers return their machines.
It should be started at $700-800 level, not $1200.
@@linglongchen5241 I agree
1:11 blah blah blah sacrificing blah blah battery life blah blah blah
how are you a tech youtuber when you dont know that those chips are for 7-30 watts design and are not made to compete with strix or m so 8 core are fine huh
Ooh so they are just there to exists and ignore that there is competition not mean to meen can elaborate what were they ment for who the targeted customer here
@@oscarswazi6412 arrow lake is meant to compete with strix and m
@@ItsDeeno69 okay so lunar will be going against last year's apus n mcb air u mean.
@@oscarswazi6412 it's meant to compete with m base chips I think but definitely not strix atleast not ai 9 maybe ai7 or ai5
@@ItsDeeno69 Intel meteor lake and lunar kinder feels like new architecture experiment if am being honest and that tells y they are completely different in just one generation.they tend to fit between handheld😬 and laptops. Just like windows os☠️
i will for sure get the m4 16". new ARM v9. also a mac studio m4 for my local LLMs
Thank Vadim for all of this information.
Kindly add the 16inch M3 Pro Max in your comparissons.
Performance per watt should be the benchmark. In order for x86 to compete with ARM in power draw, they have to cut too much performance.
Waiting for an M4 Pro Mac Mini.......
when is m4 coming?
The iPhone 16 will have the A18 chip which is the core of the new M5 chips coming soon!
where is ultra 9 185h you put M3 with 18core and forgot ultra 9?
It is not just the hardware but how the software and os is integrated with the hardware and this is whete Macs win in the eyes of the users. Me personally use both systems Windows and MacOS and occasionally Manjaro Linux and MacOS is my system of choice for my work.
AMD will also be the best for Linux support
Is the new AMD laptop chips coming on July 15,?
Those arrows in the video are slick
Amd laptop chips are absolute winners. I'll get strix point or even wait a little for strix halo.
Same!
Don't forget that most people that buy macbooks (myself included) does it for the user experience! For the feeling of high quality hardware, for the Mac osx feeling, and for durability. It doesn't matter if something on the windows side may be a tad bit faster in some tests. 👍
Cope, the build quality and trackpad is better on the surface than on the mac.
@@pcgaming6906 You use that. Nobody cares as long as it doesn’t run Mac OS
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Selling 256GB M3 Air for 1200$+ is a joke in this market
I think your forgetting the new snap dragon oryan arm chips that could make things even more interesting!!
isn't geekbench quite flawed way of comparing those? from what i remember AMD never gave good openCL numbers
Yes, Geekbench results don't reflect real world performance.
13:28 You didn't factor in battery sizes here at all. You cannot calculate efficiency while excluding that metric.
@MaxTechOfficial I want to say something that keeps being overlooked. On the same laptop Geekbench typically is about 5 percent faster on Linux and MacOS than it is Windows. They use different libraries and are not directly comparable much like antutu.
Dude when the X 2 Elite comes out it's gonna be wild. Assuming they fix the GPU issue ofc, and that more apps get ARM native. It's gonna be so good man.
By the time we get X Elite 2, we will be having M5 chips in proximity. So it won't be wild.
@@neoprashish well I'm not really interested in M5 at all, I want a PC. The X1E is already more than good enough for me, except for the GPU which is a bit lacking.
Why are enough guys sticking with Speedometer 2.1 when 3 is out? Speedometer 2 is from 2014 and 2.1 from 2018. That’s like using Geekbench 4
Can’t find leaked scores of Speedometer 3.0 for these new chips
Was going to finally upgrade from Intel to M series with a M2 Mac Studio, but with the M4 out, waiting game for M4 Mac Studio now. edit: have given up on a new 27" iMac........
AMD, Intel, and Qualcomm's chips are competitors to Apple's Pro series because these chips are designed to consume 25-30 watts of power. However, the M2, M3, and M4 are made to consume 10-20 watts of power.
Intels Lunar Lake will be 17 watts. I think it's comparable to Apple in some regards. See Intel's 8-core vs. Apples M3 8-core. Intel's is slightly behind but very competitive. Also, Intel has the same single threaded performance as AMD. Intel is not pushing high performance, Lunar Lake was built using the Macbook Air as a reference. 8 cores but with great all-around performance and battery life.
It's impressive it's an x86 vs. an arm chip. Either way, Apple still has decoders, encoders, and accelerators, which gives Apple a huge boost for content creation. Still, Intel managed to create the perfect chip for x86 in the thin and light segment.
The power values I mentioned are at maximum performance. I believe the Lunar Lake processors, especially the 7 and 9 series, will consume 20-30 watts. This is because Intel usually doesn't disclose maximum performance data when releasing information. However, if they consume 17 watts at maximum performance, that would really surprise me.
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@@yasinerhan5212 Well not even apple disclose maximum performance data and they don't disclose TDP. .
@@KP21530 Bro, you totally misunderstood the situation. We’re talking about the data we have because the chips haven’t been released yet.
I'm pretty sure that the AMD part is an engineering sample. I suppose we will find out soon.
Anyway, M4 will cost at least 2x.
Please compare Zephyrus G14 2023 or 2024 against Apple macbook.
It will be good to put price range for the laptops using the chips. Of course Windows Laptops price various very differently, but at least start price or use Dell XPS series, which has similar quality level as Macbook. M4 and M3 Pro are going to be expensive Mac (over $2000), most of consumers will not spend that amount of money. I see Lunar Lake overall has big cost advantage due to memory on Soc), probably should see $600 range laptops when the laptops using the chip are wide available.
Strange that the title to this video does not contain “I did not expect this…”
M4 should have waited more. In terms of performance I can't see any difference. If X elite gets better with modular RAM, it will become go to laptop for sure.
I think Lunar Lake will be a dud with only 4 performance cores and no HT....
It’s meant to be a low power efficiency king. Arrow Lake releasing a month after Lunar Lake will be the performance king.
@@killercage2 More like compete with Strix Point.
Interesting to see these first generation chips are around 1000-1200 points away from M4 which is 4th gen..
X Elite big negatives are : GPU, sill massive lack of software and t he higher end chips need more power zippin away the battery. There is more software on WSL for developers than on Windows. There isn't even an Arm version of Java.
Remember guys, synthetic testing is not the same as real life use.
Any leaks on the M4 pro and M4 max core counts? Because they seem to change them up every year
They should add more GPU cores for both pro and max to be more competitive with discrete GPU’s
@@GlobalWave1Probably slightly more cores but the architecture improvements make most of the difference. Their GPUs are already competitive with discrete GPUs
Probably m4pro 12 and 14core cpu
M4max 16 and 18or20 cores.
At least i hope they really up the core counts to give us more multi core performance
@@PKperformanceEU Not on a laptop. 12p cores and 4 e cores are plenty for a laptop.
Anything more than that requires a studio or Mac Pro.
I can see maybe 2 more e cores and 2 more p cores on the max might be possible but heat is getting crazy at that point.
@@PKperformanceEU eh Multicore is fine. The M3 Max is already outstripping most desktop chips. And now the base M4 is on par with the M3 Pro. But multicore is pretty overated since most programs only use 1 or two cores
The new snapdragons are the best option in my opinion. Specifically the Lenovo slim 7x. These chip comparisons don't tell the full story.
My Lenovo has outlasted my m2 pro and m3 max by a fair margin. All while offering a beautiful and bright oled display, industry leading keyboard, and lightweight design. These chips although obviously higher performing than the snapdragon, unlocks other hardware benefits that aren't present on the m3 air.
The appeal from the snapdragon laptops is their long battery life and excellent build options available. OLED panels have had notoriously bad battery life up until now. After owning oled panels, it really isn't an option for me to go back to an ips display.
Won’t know till they release them in desktops.
Why will Intel use N3B and not N3E?
I guess it is not wide available by the time Intel design was working on. Intel cannot wait for another 3 months with the competition from Snapdragon.
Yeah that might be the reason. They might have started the design around when Apple worked on M3. If they want N3E then they have to redsign a lot...
For this year m4 MacBook Air, if there isn’t 16gb ram for the base model and at least a 90hz refresh rate for its screen, I would say Apple is losing out in terms of its hardware.
Many of the window laptops at that price point will be offering 16gb/1tb.. and most of them are using Oled screen with 90-120hz.
So many estimates? How are you putting out this video without products in market to test production units? No system specs? Too much extrapolation.
Giving up hyper threading isn’t about power efficiency.
Hyper threading limits the top performance you can get for a single core.
And when you actually run the two threads on one core, each of them has half of the total performance. This is actually bad for overall performance in multicore loads unless you’re using every single thread.
Hyper threading gives 20-30% more performance. Let use the best case scenario 30%.
So a core using hyperthreading has 130% the performance of a single core.
Divided by, two Split between 2 threads.
That’s only 65% of the single core performance per thread. That’s horrible.
Hyperthreading was invented for single core machines. When you're giving people a minimum of eight efficiency cores in addition to some big cores Hyper threading is irrelevant.
I have tried even $2000 windows laptops, but windows laptops which promised 12-16 hours of battery, couldn't even last proper 6 hours for just regular tasks. I had too many bad experiences with windows which were enough. So I switched to Mac Air m2 chip with 16gb ram and I've got 10 hours of battery for the first time in my life.
I agreed with Vadim for intel that it gonna be the battery life king but I really didn’t agree for the part of x elite I think AMD would be the second place for battery life instead of the X elite
i´m still cool with my m1 MacBook Air. I love this thing, it´s a good machine. I have it for 3 years now. still runs fast
Thanks for the review , was waiting for that
What better way to see unbiased reviews than from an Apple fanboy?
Tim has always been proud.
The 370 sounds awesome!
if you go to the website it also showed it was in balanced mode...
Amd’s new chips look incredible especially because they’re works with nvidia graphics
multi threading, gaming and price hx 370 can beat
M3max by far outclasses it. M3max score beyond 14700K in SPEC2017 multi core so no.
M4max will stomp everything anyways
@@PKperformanceEU get some help bro
HX 370 chip cost is high due to more number of cores (silicon die size is larger). The laptops with the chip and 16GB RAM probably going to be above $1500 initially.
@@linglongchen5241 nope, hx 370 using N4 nano tech so the cost will not too high but lunar lake using N3 nano tech, so lunar lake laptop may occur the situation you mentioned.
@@PKperformanceEU but m3max laptop price is too far away, hx370 compete m3pro at most
In the end most users don't care about marginal performance differences among all these chips, what really matters is the OS. Windows users will never shift to Mac and vice versa. It's all about workflow and apps specific to each OS.
The M3 pro iGPU is still weaker than a $200 discrete GPU. Even though it cost a thousand more just to get that GPU.
I'm actually disappointed by graphic gains in M4 when compared to M3... when compared to M2... when compared to M1. Not a lot of fps was gained on base models from 2020. It's been almost 5 years.
he should have tested games not useless benchmarks.
Surely Apple has now to get realistic on RAM and SSD? Not only that, the windows machines are allowing upgradable SSDs which Apple is, quite disgracefully, not allowing. I don’t mind paying a bit extra for everything I get from Apple but if the SSD on my Studio fails, the whole thing goes in the bin. Who thinks that’s a good idea?
For Mac users, this may be the biggest near term benefit of this increased competition. Yes, it’s probably one of the reasons the base M4 has 6 e-cores, and it’ll likely affect the core count mix of the M4 Pro/Max as well. But these Snapdragon X Plus/Elite machines all come with at least 16GB RAM, and many start at 512GB SSD, with some being upgradable. While they are technically different markets, some non trivial percentage of the users can pretty easily switch between Mac OS and Windows, so it’s still direct competition for somewhere in the vicinity of 25%-50% of Apple’s users. My guess is it’s on the lower end of that scale, but I could be wrong.
Apple does, they want you to overpay for another new machine to add to their already enormous profit. Planned obsolescence and adding to the electronic waste, disgusting. Microsoft is no better though with their TPM requirement for Windows 11 which will delegate an untold of number of older but still capable PCs to the dumpster.
@@Son37Lumiere You can install Windows 11 without a TPM or secure boot, and can install it on older “unsupported” hardware. It’s not even hard to do. The question is why would you want to install Windows 11
@@geoffstrickler Yes, if you download a hacked version which I don't believe can get security updates. It also will force businesses and governments to replace a lot of their machines even if they don't technically need to once support ends for win10 next year.
I don't don't like win11 either but eventually you will be forced to.
@@Son37Lumiere You don’t have to download a hacked version, instructions for making the changes are simple to google. Doesn’t require any notable level of technical expertise, but a familiarity with RegEdit and using a command line are helpful.
Windows 12 is expected to be released in the next 3-4 months. And is likely to nuch better than 11. MS gets every 2nd/3rd version right. There is a reason 11 is being supplanted after just 3 years.
Little bit disappointed with that lunarlake multicore in geekbench, was expecting that to be near identical to m3 since its so close in principle to m3. But good news for gaming handhelds. AMD new AI chips and lunarlake at 15/17w is very good. Was also expecting AMD HX370 to hit 18k geekbench 6 multicore. It’s a bit shorter. At the moment Qualcomm greatest victory is price. X plus laptops is very reasonable, X1E78 and 80 also relatively cheaper than 185H and 8945HS laptops. M3 pro or even M2 pro, though somewhat more expensive, still have a decent GPU gap, while still very battery efficient. If lunarlake can get anywhere near Qualcomm for price and battery, would rather have Lunarlake. If AMD has decent battery also interesting, especially for handhelds to replace their dominant 7840u and Z1 extreme chips.
Amd cpu doesn’t scale well in geekbench 6. Even the 16 core 7950x at 200w only scores 20k. Don’t pay to much mind to geekbench mt
Are any of theses ‘tests’ of any relevance? Most people choose a computer to run the software they use most. If the computer doesn’t run that software it won’t be on a wish list. I use only Apple because it runs the iWork suite which, for my needs, is better than Microsoft Office. My 16” M3max MacBookPro also runs the BIM software I use. How fast a Windows computer has no relevance. IF I played games and used dreadful software like AutoCAD then perhaps I might be interested :-)
I just want to buy the Surface Pro 5G with snapdragon elite. OLED screen and 5G are the reasons. Also I prefer windows 11 with multiple external monitors.
Comparing macOS and Windows in terms of performance is not entirely accurate, as Windows apps are not fully optimized for Snapdragon processors and the two operating systems function differently and x86 and arm are different .
people dont care about slightly faster or slower benchmark scores they want either macos or windows
Apple supposes to outperform, always the most advanced process node, highly customized and integrated Hardware & Software. But if all those other 'commercial' chips can be 80-90% at Apple levels that would be a success.
I just bought a M3 pro baseline (11 core with 512gb storage) to replace my M1 air as a daily driver. I would have liked 1tb of storage but it is another $300 to get that additional 512gb which seems excessive to me. Also the laptop just needs to worry about light duties. My 16" M1 max will get an upgrade when the M4 comes out. That one is used for music production though so no expense spared type thing. I really don't care about windows laptops though. It's kind of irrelevant to me. I'm just here for the M4 tidbits :). Keep up the good work.
Exactly, care a damn about Windows. These comparisons by CZcamsrs make me sick. We are not gonna switch to dirt.
@@Tutelage810 If your horse is high enough, you might just be able to look over your walled garden ;-)
@@szaboaz Yeah I can see many dumb brands fighting each other. Nauseating. Disgusting views outside our garden wall.
a lot of people care about the comparisons... and its mildly relevant to you because it helps push Apple to do more improvements sooner, since there are a lot of people who are not stuck with Apple can can switch fine.
What do you need some much power for music production. do you use LogicPro?
I think this has caused AMD & Intel to make their SOC more efficient, however they might be equal to Qualcomm in some cases but definitely not Apple. So the big winner is the main stream consumer. I just wish the manufacturers would include larger battery capacities for x86 laptops.
There’s still no competition for M3 Max 40 core GPU in 14” lightweight / full day battery life category. Nvidia dGPUs throttle to
It will destroy the M4 max. But it's not designed for maximum efficiency, more so for maximum performance at reasonable efficiency. There's very little in the way of game availability for the Apple ecosystem though so that 40 core GPU is kind of irrelevant except for rendering and video.
12CU->40CU is 3.33x increase, but AMD must run the CUs at slightly lower power, and scaling isn’t perfect and bandwidth is a bottleneck too, so we should expect it to peak at 3x GPU perf, but not any higher than that.
M3 Max with biggest 40 core GPU is over 3x faster than the current gen 12CU AMD GCN3 iGPU. It’s roughly equal to RTX 3080. M4 Max is of course going to be faster. Thus I would expect M4 Max GPU to be slightly faster than Strix Halo.
Strix Halo is of course going to destroy M4 Pro ($2000-$3000 MacBooks). But Max has 2x more GPU cores than Pro. M3 Max with biggest 40 core GPU and reasonable sized 2TB SSD costs over $5000. If AMD can match that at half the price, it’s going to be great.
Almost Incredible that software is what’s screwing Apple when hardware wise they are over all a no brainer choice when it used to be the opposite.
Snapdragon X elite is emulating a lot of things which hurts its scores. If it fumbles the launch no developer support will go on board to ARM and those number will remain. Nonetheless despite the poorer graphics performance, moore’s law is at such an end that those differences are marginal in real time use, making the surface pro the first full fledged 2-1 that Apple refuses to make. The surface pro is the way to go for me.
I have been buying top tier MBPs for over a decade and it is INSANE how prices have gone up - In 7 years price has increased by 47% when I look at what I paid for a top spec’ed MBP back the compared to today.
And the RAM and storage pricing is a joke. So deep into the Apple ecosystem but I’m starting to consider if my next computer might be something other than a Mac…😢
Why do you think Apple's valuation is so high.
i really don't understand these titles. they aren't even direct competitors. mac people are hostages and can't leave, and people who buy pcs will hardly ever make the switch to an even worse OS than windows
I made the switch 4 years ago because of the M1 value and performance. It's not that hard to switch to mac or back to pc.
@@RA-nm9xu well i switched from windows to linux last year. doesn't change the fact that i'm in a tiny minority, and so are you.
I doubt that any CISC system can beat ARM. The threat to Apple is other ARM platforms.
Agree from a tech standpoint, but there is a second more important factor. One thing is getting a chip roughly comparable to Apple. The other thing is the economics of the chips. Apple has a massive scale advantage between iPhone, iPad, and Mac all running the same architecture. On a yearly basis they do about 280 to 300 million high-end chips so the economy of scale is amazing. No one in Android or Windowland can come close to those numbers. Closest is Samsung who does a total of about 25 million high-end phones. Almost no tablets and very few laptops. Companies on the computer side like HP and Dell are tiny compared to Apple revenue wise. They are currently little boutique companies.
That was a good video! I agree, I think the Apple laptops will end up being the best overall.
One thing you didn’t mention much (if at all) is the real world performance. And it makes sense you didn’t because of course, this is only speculation. But Apple’s chips have historically had more real world performance with the same hardware, or the same real world performance with seemingly drastically inferior specs. Might we see that again?
Lunar Lake chips may launch in September or October, but not sure if that means I can buy a laptop with lunar lake. At Apple launches, laptops are available for purchase.
It will probably be available to buy in actual laptops, realistically in early 2025
Forget about hardware, we need to do something about Windows. It’s bad, it’s looking best ever but damn it’s bad. It’s exactly like how facebook app it’s now. Fully loaded with unnecessary content, hard to find any settings, after update some options are on again.
All Mac laptops are out of the equation for me as there is no touchscreen.
Same here
Putting touchscreen on laptops does increase glare and makes accidental touches. So touchscreen is a deal-breaker.
I get wanting a touchscreen on a hybrid laptop-tablet device like the surface pro, but a touchscreen on a laptop for like what? Scrolling?
@@Bluestarferies have an iPad Pro 12.9 and i cannot remember the last time i used it without the keyboard. I use the keyboard say when typing this reply then use the reply button with my finger. I like the combo of keyboard and touchscreen. I would like a larger screen and also the iPad Pro with keyboard is a heavy bit of kit. Would also prefer a full fat desktop OS.
@@DeeCee-nb6ev yeah but that’s a different story. You’re talking about an iPad which has an OS specifically designed for touch input. I see windows laptops that have touchscreen and it really just seems unintuitive. So unless MacBooks can turn into iPads with a 360 hinge, I don’t see the need for a touchscreen.
Things I exited for future
•Nobody can challenge apple in single core performance
•this X elite 12 core has build of tsmc 4nm so if this is as much good next successor wil be 2nm will be incredible.
•Apple M4 has ray-traycing and NPU next M5 which i think they works already for 2nm with 19pro will be mind-blowing.
• it doesn't matter how powerful x86 for gaming but for productivity & Ai you must choose ARM .
•in2026 superpower handheld with x86
& Super intelligent ai power Mac mini
2 things enough for unimaginable creativity and gaming
Future is good be wait for 2 year more 😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊
its my pocket which should be worried
All these cpus long ago delivered on the performance 99.99% of what people need. The only exception are some niche professions that don’t need power, but have a unique processing pipeline that really required specialized functionality. For everyone else what’s needed is improved battery life through lower power consumption.
10:00 That AMD chip at 15W scores more than double in time spy than the steam deck(about 1550) I think we’ve found the steam deck 2 chip
I think they will use some low powered one as for a small screen you need less performance.
@@FlorinArjocu yeah that’s my point, 15W is the same wattage the current steam deck apu uses. And with this same wattage, strix point is outputting like 2.3x performance
@@christianr.5868 I thought it is lower, my bad. Anyways, it is a good time for handhelds, Intel or AMD as they seem to be kind of equal in this generation.
@@FlorinArjocu can’t wait to see handhelds using these new apus
@@FlorinArjocu They are only equal in synthetic benchmarks because they are easy to optimize for. In actual games AMD has a much bigger lead.
how are you a tech youtuber when you dont know that amd strix , m4 are at different performance tiers than lunar lake
nah lunar lake is considered 'efficient' for intel which sips power but in reality they have a TDP of 15~30W(which is meant to 'replace' meteor lake) which is within AMD's strix point configurable TDP range and M4 TDP range. Sad that intel had to slash and reduce the perf for efficiency...the architecure must have changed quite a lot but intel needs a complete architecure overhaul at this point(issues with 13th, 14th gen, well so many problems) like AMD's 'Zen' moment. (Or maybe Apple's 'M' series moment but it is rather a new implementation instead of an architecure overhaul)
@@chj8010 the thing is
ok i know lunar lake goes upto 30 watts but it only has 4 p cores and strix is a high performant class and arrow lake is meant to compete with strix and m4
also lunar lake was meant to be 7-17 watts only but oems recommended 30 watts to them
@ItsDeeno69 yeah but speculations say that lunar lake laptops will be priced similarly to strix point ones. And the thing is intel had to reduce the core count to make it perform good at 20~30w while AMD did that with 8~12 cores. So, tbh it's Intel's skill issue unless we get to know how Arrow Lake - U will perform at this point...
@@chj8010 ya that's right it's because of the n3b node on it
Still I didn't liked this video
He has so many fumbles
So many wrong words
He didn't even showed the wattage of amd gpu in the charts
@@chj8010 what do you think about the arc igpu I think it performs good
OK, if Metal is that great on the Apple M3 Pro 18 then why is there not a lot more games ported over. The major game I use is Madden and there is no Madden on Metal.
That’s up to the developers of the game.
Lot of work my boi.
Working with cpu math libraries, arm intrinsics and metal api is very complex even for a senior desktop app developer
It’s because nobody games on apples platform. Not worth the effort. Look at how poorly the recent resident evil and assassins creed ports sold on the IPhone and IPad. It’s not worth the time unless apple gives developers a fat check
It takes time I guess
Lunar lake shouldve had 6 efficiency and 4 performance cores. Just for the extra multi core performance. It wouldve just made intel back on track and on par with modern mac chips.
Lunar lake are for ultra low power 10-30w. You're thinking of Arrow Lake HX which are going to have up to 8+16.
@@MrAllthatgoodstuff yeah, iam saying ultra low power with 10 core architecture 4p+6e wouldve really sealed the deal
Gotta leave room more improvement with panther lake
@_@ it has more ram and storage and more on that. It can game 🔥🗿
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if intel minimize cores in Lunar lake , it will be a bad decision
So in many cases AMD is the best performer, Apple is also great at performance and efficiency. Qualcomm is now a good efficient option. Intel is just losing all over. I just bought a Lenovo Yoga 9i with the core ultra 7 155h chip😢.
Why should Apple be worried? Only Apple chips go in Apple products. And everyone else goes to PC. AMD Intel and Qualcomm are competing with each other for the pc market.
If Apple supported gaming better, esp with there current M3 lineup and had a decent graphics option from say nvidia as an option. They would have massively upturned the market and gained massive market share to boot. Instead they came up with a super good chip for everything but gaming, causing the market to react (insert arm and arm windows) and will be relatively equaled soon, with nothing gained. Waste of an amazing product market lead.